I know its easy to make things black and white, but everyone who has followed it should be able to understand they go out of their way to make it as grey as possible.
Whatever. Your defense of ISP "common carrier" status are bunk. There's nothing gray about their intentions to support file sharing of copyrighted works, and they explicitly did not hide that fact -- quite the opposite. The only gray issue was if they were operating within the law regardless, because they never hosted copyrighted works. That has been their defense the whole time.
You can't absolve the borrowers. Somebody with bad credit and a low-income job has to know that they really can't afford a McMansion. Everybody involved was going on a binge.
Gotta love the liberal revisionist history. If the civil war was only about slavery:
1) Why were there Union states that still allowed slavery? 2) Why did it take Lincoln two years AFTER the war started to deliver the emancipation proclamation? 3) Why were there Union states that still did not abolish slavery AFTER the emancipation proclamation and even AFTER the Civil War?
The answer is simple. Lincoln was willing to tolerate the status quo of slavery to preserve the Union. However, he was determined to prevent slavery from being established in the new territories. The South decided that wasn't good enough and decided to secede. The emancipation proclamation was meant to punish and undermine the states in rebellion.
You can argue that the war was also about the right of secession, but the issue of slavery was the cause for the split, and of that there is no doubt.
If that's the worst criticism you have of Perl, then it's doing pretty well for itself.
It's the worst example of many. Too many sigils and too much magic in Perl.
I remain amazed at how many people bash Perl for its syntax and then proceed to praise PHP as some sort of bastion of web language design sanity.
Like who? PHP is well-known for being a hacked together language, and it clearly shows its Perl inspiration. PHP is a prime example of "worse is better". Python is the language that gets all the praise for good, clean design. And while I could nitpick Python, compared to Perl it is a bastion of sanity.
Sorry, this is a bullshit argument. The administrators set out to create a site to assist in piracy, hence their name, hence their advertising that you can find TV shows, movies, etc on the site. It's not even a secret. You are either engaging in sophistry or are naive to claim they are a neutral "common carrier" status.
Since you are either playing dumb or otherwise, here it is, spelled out for you:
As befits an organization of global disrepute, Pirate Bay had its beginnings not in Scandinavia but in far-off Mexico City, where Gottfrid Svartholm was working, in 2003, for an Internet-security firm. As a devout member of Sweden's pro-piracy Web site Pirate Bureau, Svartholm agreed to use the security firm's servers to launch the Swedes' BitTorrent venture, and when he returned home the following year, he found a new accomplice in Fredrik Neij, a self-taught programmer who got his first job through a criminal act. "I hacked a company's service provider and put up obscene messages," says Neij. "The company said work for us or we prosecute." Asked why he committed the original act of vandalism, Neij responds brightly, "Because I could!"
By the time Neij got involved with Pirate Bay (there is a third, silent partner, named "Peter"), the site had effectively outgrown its host. "We had no idea it would happen," says Rasmus Fleischer, co-founder of Pirate Bureau. "It started off as just a little part of the site. Our forum was more important. Even the links were more important than the [torrent] tracker."
With a membership of more than 60,000, Pirate Bureau was originally devoted to the unofficial distribution of music files; expanded bandwidth enabled the transmission of video files. Fleischer neatly summarizes the ethos of his site: "We don't want to reform copyright lawâ"we just don't want the state to enforce it."
Fleischer likes to frame the copyright issue in historical and theoretical terms, expounding on ideas about "how value is produced in the cultural sector." He sees the notion of music copyright in particular as a transitory construct. "This has been the business model for some bit of the 20th century," he says. "Music has always worked in different economic ways, and copyright has only applied to a few genres historically."
TPB exists entirely on the premise of facilitating file sharing using the bittorrent protocol. It does not have the means to check copyrights, and media cartels have demonstrated they cannot be trusted to provide advise on what is copyrighted. They have no choice but to remove themselves from such decisions, just like google does.
Get real here. The Pirate Bay explicitly set out to link to copyrighted materials.
Even down to the AMBER alert thing. Every time I see shows about abducted children it starts off with: "we never thought it could happen in a safe neighborhood where all the children run around unsupervised". What kind of retards are these people?
Many of these cases involve a parent with legal visitation rights who takes off with the children. But congratulations on feeling superior to people who have been victimized by crime.
It is when you get lost in a maze of them. I mentioned references for a reason, because anybody who's experienced ${ hell knows what I'm talking about.
I really wish people would stop saying this. It's certainly possible to write horribly obfuscated Perl, deliberately or otherwise, just as it's possible to write C, or Python, or anything else in a nearly unreadable way. I'll grant that Perl maybe allows you to get away with a bit more.
I really wish people would stop defending Perl in the manner. Perl's sigil madness is endemic to the language. Yes, you can avoid some of the craziness (such as "use English"), but good luck to you once you start using references.
But judging by your username and tone, I wouldn't be surprised if you were an IP lawyer who prefers the USPTO to approve everything that gets put in front of them so that you can make money from the settlements this will inevitably make.
Still stands. You don't handle trademarks, but the same issues arise in patents. Bad trademarks and bad patents just feed parasitic lawyers.
That made any action he took after that, no matter how extreme, reasonable and inevitable. That he decided to kill others instead of just committing suicide is a simple matter of personality not psychopathy.
Give me a break. Lots of suffering going on in this world, and the vast majority of people put up with it. That he decided to kill a bunch of innocent people makes him a psychopath.
If he had been a psychopath he would of been better emotionally equipped to handle the loneliness (and often psychopaths have a lot of social savvy).
If he hadn't been a psychopath then he would have handled his loneliness just like the vast majority of lonely people do, and not kill people just because they didn't want to fuck him.
you have technological advancement faster than can be predicted at the present time
But we've been experiencing that as humans for quite some time now. Just think of the changes that have occurred in the past 100 years. There are people who experienced going from using an outhouse, to indoor plumbing, to an electrified world, to phones, to television, to computers, and to a world-wide Internet.
Is there reason to believe that people are smart enough to write programs that can learn to be smarter?
In a limited, fashion, yes. TD-Gammon was a neural network with built-in knowledge of the rules of Backgammon, and nothing else, and achieved pro-level performance by playing itself and learning from the games.
90% of the content of my apartment was illegal material I wouldn't be all that surprised.
I would expect a court order in such a case, and not just a "request" by an authority that probably doesn't even have jurisdiction. And hey look, there's an Update link in the summary:
Massive torrent search engine Torrentz.eu is once again accessible in the UK following a 24-hour ban, after the owners pointed out that its suspension was illegal.
Torrentz, which is the most popular search engine of its kind, was taken down when the site's Polish registrar Nazwa complied with a request from the UK's Police Intellectual Property Crime Unit (PIPCU) on Sunday and suspended the Torrentz.eu domain.
However on Monday a lawyer for the search engine contacted Nazwa and pointed out an ICANN ruling which stated a court order was needed to get a domain suspended, according to a report on TorrentFreak.
Having your stuff taken in an extrajudicial manner counts as fascist to me. Due process and all that. What I illustrated was that saying that it was only a request is a weak response.
Really, from what I've been able to read so far the City of London Police "made a request" and the registrar agreed to that request.
Not saying this is right or wrong, just questioning the fascist bit.
Let's say you live in an apartment. What if they "made a request" to your landlord to lock you out of your own apartment, and the landlord dutifully complied. Perhaps you might feel differently if your stuff was taken in such a manner.
The only good thing in it is fibre, which gets broken down in a puree.
Vitamin C. And fiber isn't "broken down" in a puree unless it is specifically removed (which is why you should avoid juicers). So while fruits are high in sugar and you shouldn't go crazy on them, whole fruits are a healthy part of your diet.
Just to be precise about the situation, Candidates McCain and Obama were invited to the meetings where TARP was agreed upon. They weren't directly responsible, but neither did either object.
It's much like America except they don't have a popularity contest to change leaders but go more for merit and debate occurs more behind closed doors.
Sounds like you are defending this garbage.
In a functioning democracy the tea party would have been a separate party rather then having to work in the confines of the existing party and if actually popular would have won seats in government.
They made their voices heard and had impact as a result, including winning seats (albeit within a party). Sounds like democracy to me.
Except the ones that run away. Starts sounding familiar, right?
Do you mean Snowden? He was a government contractor that released state secrets. I think he should be protected as a whistleblower, but the government at least has a reasonable case for prosecution.
What I'm talking about our political voices that constantly speak out in opposition to the government. Fox News is a channel dedicated to speaking out against the Democrats and the President's agenda, and that's just one example. You don't get something like that in China. If you do that, you go to jail.
Are you fucking kidding me? American companies seizing assets from foreigners (paypal, mastercard, etc);
Yes, the financial pressure was despicable.
Widespread political pressure to send the guy to the US; The fact that the USA is the only democratic country with concentration camps that is not sanctioned by the UN at any level; USA cannot issue an international warrant for his capture without being laughed at; That didn't stop them. At all.
Give me a break. Assange was traveling freely. If the US wanted him extradited to face charges, they could have done so. You don't have anything here but bluster.
Where is the debate between two parties in the US? The illusion of choice is not the same as choice. And since lobbyists control both sides, its more about keeping apearences than "the people". Your democratic system is a knotch above a middle-eastern country.
There is a real debate, and it's not an illusion just because you are blind and deaf to it. The Democrats are generally in favor of higher taxes and more social spending. The Republicans are opposed. Obamacare was opposed by Republicans. Republicans oppose raising the minimum wage.
One defends wealthy people and interest groups by catering to a more conservative agenda, and the other one goes a more liberal approach. There is no actual difference. Want proof? Move to another country and see the difference.
There is a difference, it's just that you want to handwave it away and pretend that the US is on equal footing with Russia and China.
That's why you have both chinese and russian dissidents.
Russian and Chinese dissidents often end up in jail or dead. In China, the government censors everything.
And USA is the country that went after Assange as a 'traitor', regardless of his nationality.
Those were some stupid politicians talking. Was there ever an actual charge? A warrant? No.
The level of brainwash that takes for someone to say "my democratic system is better" when its not actually democratic NOR pluralist is an indoctrinator's dream come true.
So you say, but look in the mirror. Could you have a Tea Party in China, one that had successful elections against establishment Republicans? Where is the debate between even two parties in China? There isn't, as it's one party. Say what you want about Democrats and Republicans being a "single" party, but they do differ on a lot of issues.
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I know its easy to make things black and white, but everyone who has followed it should be able to understand they go out of their way to make it as grey as possible.
Whatever. Your defense of ISP "common carrier" status are bunk. There's nothing gray about their intentions to support file sharing of copyrighted works, and they explicitly did not hide that fact -- quite the opposite. The only gray issue was if they were operating within the law regardless, because they never hosted copyrighted works. That has been their defense the whole time.
Get a clue and stop spouting bullshit.
You can't absolve the borrowers. Somebody with bad credit and a low-income job has to know that they really can't afford a McMansion. Everybody involved was going on a binge.
Gotta love the liberal revisionist history. If the civil war was only about slavery:
1) Why were there Union states that still allowed slavery?
2) Why did it take Lincoln two years AFTER the war started to deliver the emancipation proclamation?
3) Why were there Union states that still did not abolish slavery AFTER the emancipation proclamation and even AFTER the Civil War?
The answer is simple. Lincoln was willing to tolerate the status quo of slavery to preserve the Union. However, he was determined to prevent slavery from being established in the new territories. The South decided that wasn't good enough and decided to secede. The emancipation proclamation was meant to punish and undermine the states in rebellion.
You can argue that the war was also about the right of secession, but the issue of slavery was the cause for the split, and of that there is no doubt.
If that's the worst criticism you have of Perl, then it's doing pretty well for itself.
It's the worst example of many. Too many sigils and too much magic in Perl.
I remain amazed at how many people bash Perl for its syntax and then proceed to praise PHP as some sort of bastion of web language design sanity.
Like who? PHP is well-known for being a hacked together language, and it clearly shows its Perl inspiration. PHP is a prime example of "worse is better". Python is the language that gets all the praise for good, clean design. And while I could nitpick Python, compared to Perl it is a bastion of sanity.
Sorry, this is a bullshit argument. The administrators set out to create a site to assist in piracy, hence their name, hence their advertising that you can find TV shows, movies, etc on the site. It's not even a secret. You are either engaging in sophistry or are naive to claim they are a neutral "common carrier" status.
Since you are either playing dumb or otherwise, here it is, spelled out for you:
As befits an organization of global disrepute, Pirate Bay had its beginnings not in Scandinavia but in far-off Mexico City, where Gottfrid Svartholm was working, in 2003, for an Internet-security firm. As a devout member of Sweden's pro-piracy Web site Pirate Bureau, Svartholm agreed to use the security firm's servers to launch the Swedes' BitTorrent venture, and when he returned home the following year, he found a new accomplice in Fredrik Neij, a self-taught programmer who got his first job through a criminal act. "I hacked a company's service provider and put up obscene messages," says Neij. "The company said work for us or we prosecute." Asked why he committed the original act of vandalism, Neij responds brightly, "Because I could!"
By the time Neij got involved with Pirate Bay (there is a third, silent partner, named "Peter"), the site had effectively outgrown its host. "We had no idea it would happen," says Rasmus Fleischer, co-founder of Pirate Bureau. "It started off as just a little part of the site. Our forum was more important. Even the links were more important than the [torrent] tracker."
With a membership of more than 60,000, Pirate Bureau was originally devoted to the unofficial distribution of music files; expanded bandwidth enabled the transmission of video files. Fleischer neatly summarizes the ethos of his site: "We don't want to reform copyright lawâ"we just don't want the state to enforce it."
Fleischer likes to frame the copyright issue in historical and theoretical terms, expounding on ideas about "how value is produced in the cultural sector." He sees the notion of music copyright in particular as a transitory construct. "This has been the business model for some bit of the 20th century," he says. "Music has always worked in different economic ways, and copyright has only applied to a few genres historically."
Does that sound like a neutral ISP to you?
TPB exists entirely on the premise of facilitating file sharing using the bittorrent protocol. It does not have the means to check copyrights, and media cartels have demonstrated they cannot be trusted to provide advise on what is copyrighted. They have no choice but to remove themselves from such decisions, just like google does.
Get real here. The Pirate Bay explicitly set out to link to copyrighted materials.
Right, because motorcycles are such safe vehicles to ride.
I'm going to spend some time on this, so you would do well to read along.
I stopped reading here.
Even down to the AMBER alert thing.
Every time I see shows about abducted children it starts off with: "we never thought it could happen in a safe neighborhood where all the children run around unsupervised".
What kind of retards are these people?
Many of these cases involve a parent with legal visitation rights who takes off with the children. But congratulations on feeling superior to people who have been victimized by crime.
Piss off. There's a difference between "can" and "want to".
It is when you get lost in a maze of them. I mentioned references for a reason, because anybody who's experienced ${ hell knows what I'm talking about.
I really wish people would stop saying this. It's certainly possible to write horribly obfuscated Perl, deliberately or otherwise, just as it's possible to write C, or Python, or anything else in a nearly unreadable way. I'll grant that Perl maybe allows you to get away with a bit more.
I really wish people would stop defending Perl in the manner. Perl's sigil madness is endemic to the language. Yes, you can avoid some of the craziness (such as "use English"), but good luck to you once you start using references.
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But judging by your username and tone, I wouldn't be surprised if you were an IP lawyer who prefers the USPTO to approve everything that gets put in front of them so that you can make money from the settlements this will inevitably make.
Still stands. You don't handle trademarks, but the same issues arise in patents. Bad trademarks and bad patents just feed parasitic lawyers.
That made any action he took after that, no matter how extreme, reasonable and inevitable. That he decided to kill others instead of just committing suicide is a simple matter of personality not psychopathy.
Give me a break. Lots of suffering going on in this world, and the vast majority of people put up with it. That he decided to kill a bunch of innocent people makes him a psychopath.
If he had been a psychopath he would of been better emotionally equipped to handle the loneliness (and often psychopaths have a lot of social savvy).
If he hadn't been a psychopath then he would have handled his loneliness just like the vast majority of lonely people do, and not kill people just because they didn't want to fuck him.
you have technological advancement faster than can be predicted at the present time
But we've been experiencing that as humans for quite some time now. Just think of the changes that have occurred in the past 100 years. There are people who experienced going from using an outhouse, to indoor plumbing, to an electrified world, to phones, to television, to computers, and to a world-wide Internet.
Is there reason to believe that people are smart enough to write programs that can learn to be smarter?
In a limited, fashion, yes. TD-Gammon was a neural network with built-in knowledge of the rules of Backgammon, and nothing else, and achieved pro-level performance by playing itself and learning from the games.
90% of the content of my apartment was illegal material I wouldn't be all that surprised.
I would expect a court order in such a case, and not just a "request" by an authority that probably doesn't even have jurisdiction. And hey look, there's an Update link in the summary:
Massive torrent search engine Torrentz.eu is once again accessible in the UK following a 24-hour ban, after the owners pointed out that its suspension was illegal.
Torrentz, which is the most popular search engine of its kind, was taken down when the site's Polish registrar Nazwa complied with a request from the UK's Police Intellectual Property Crime Unit (PIPCU) on Sunday and suspended the Torrentz.eu domain.
However on Monday a lawyer for the search engine contacted Nazwa and pointed out an ICANN ruling which stated a court order was needed to get a domain suspended, according to a report on TorrentFreak.
Having your stuff taken in an extrajudicial manner counts as fascist to me. Due process and all that. What I illustrated was that saying that it was only a request is a weak response.
Really, from what I've been able to read so far the City of London Police "made a request" and the registrar agreed to that request.
Not saying this is right or wrong, just questioning the fascist bit.
Let's say you live in an apartment. What if they "made a request" to your landlord to lock you out of your own apartment, and the landlord dutifully complied. Perhaps you might feel differently if your stuff was taken in such a manner.
The only good thing in it is fibre, which gets broken down in a puree.
Vitamin C. And fiber isn't "broken down" in a puree unless it is specifically removed (which is why you should avoid juicers). So while fruits are high in sugar and you shouldn't go crazy on them, whole fruits are a healthy part of your diet.
Just to be precise about the situation, Candidates McCain and Obama were invited to the meetings where TARP was agreed upon. They weren't directly responsible, but neither did either object.
A more accurate writeup.
It's much like America except they don't have a popularity contest to change leaders but go more for merit and debate occurs more behind closed doors.
Sounds like you are defending this garbage.
In a functioning democracy the tea party would have been a separate party rather then having to work in the confines of the existing party and if actually popular would have won seats in government.
They made their voices heard and had impact as a result, including winning seats (albeit within a party). Sounds like democracy to me.
Except the ones that run away. Starts sounding familiar, right?
Do you mean Snowden? He was a government contractor that released state secrets. I think he should be protected as a whistleblower, but the government at least has a reasonable case for prosecution.
What I'm talking about our political voices that constantly speak out in opposition to the government. Fox News is a channel dedicated to speaking out against the Democrats and the President's agenda, and that's just one example. You don't get something like that in China. If you do that, you go to jail.
Are you fucking kidding me? American companies seizing assets from foreigners (paypal, mastercard, etc);
Yes, the financial pressure was despicable.
Widespread political pressure to send the guy to the US; The fact that the USA is the only democratic country with concentration camps that is not sanctioned by the UN at any level; USA cannot issue an international warrant for his capture without being laughed at; That didn't stop them. At all.
Give me a break. Assange was traveling freely. If the US wanted him extradited to face charges, they could have done so. You don't have anything here but bluster.
Where is the debate between two parties in the US? The illusion of choice is not the same as choice. And since lobbyists control both sides, its more about keeping apearences than "the people". Your democratic system is a knotch above a middle-eastern country.
There is a real debate, and it's not an illusion just because you are blind and deaf to it. The Democrats are generally in favor of higher taxes and more social spending. The Republicans are opposed. Obamacare was opposed by Republicans. Republicans oppose raising the minimum wage.
One defends wealthy people and interest groups by catering to a more conservative agenda, and the other one goes a more liberal approach. There is no actual difference. Want proof? Move to another country and see the difference.
There is a difference, it's just that you want to handwave it away and pretend that the US is on equal footing with Russia and China.
That's why you have both chinese and russian dissidents.
Russian and Chinese dissidents often end up in jail or dead. In China, the government censors everything.
And USA is the country that went after Assange as a 'traitor', regardless of his nationality.
Those were some stupid politicians talking. Was there ever an actual charge? A warrant? No.
The level of brainwash that takes for someone to say "my democratic system is better" when its not actually democratic NOR pluralist is an indoctrinator's dream come true.
So you say, but look in the mirror. Could you have a Tea Party in China, one that had successful elections against establishment Republicans? Where is the debate between even two parties in China? There isn't, as it's one party. Say what you want about Democrats and Republicans being a "single" party, but they do differ on a lot of issues.
Right.