But even, they pulled a fast one - the GOOG traded on the market are lower class shares... with no dividend, ownership, or voting rights.
This doesn't make any sense. Who would buy a share without the possibility of receiving dividends? You're also wrong about no voting rights, though they did skew the rights 10 to 1 in favor of the Google founder shares. Only very recently were they cleared to issue a new class of non-voting stock.
Funnily enough, I just watched a YouTube video with a mish-mash of ancient civilizations and an impending doom. The video was published in April 2012, and contained lots of references to Dec. 2012. Ho hum.
That doesn't make Jobs any less of a douchebag sociopath
I think there's a big difference between promising somebody $5000 and not delivering versus giving what you promised in the first place and hiding that there was more on the table. You said he "fucked Woz over", but Woz agreed to a job for a price and did it. I agree it was a dick move by Jobs, but backstabber and sociopath? No.
Jobs had several times the amount of money that Woz had
And you know this how? Woz was working, Jobs was working. Neither were paupers, as far as I know.
Jobs was able to sell the public on this "hipster genius perfectionist idealist" horseshit when IRL he was just as big of a douchebag and a backstabber as any of the other big names in IT
I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. Jobs was an idealist about consumer tech. I don't know that he ever claimed to be a saint. Yeah, his darker side might be a bit jarring for the faithful, but they get over it.
Oh, I thought you were talking about some strange weather events or something. The thing about the NSA spying is that to me it is an ordinary conspiracy. This kind of spying has always been going on, with leaks and reports in the media. It's not the same league as controlling the weather.
For example, every person who claimed the NSA was spying on Americans, prior to Ed Snowden's recent disclosure.
Please. After the AT&T warrantless wiretap incident, anybody who regarded the idea of the NSA spying on Americans as a whacko conspiracy was either ignorant or a fool. Who was really surprised by government surveillance? More than anything, many were angry that the details were released.
after seeing what authors like GRR Martin and Orson Scott Card get put through, it definitely isn't worth it.
Boo hoo, they became rich and had to put up with a few annoying fans. And you've got to be out of your mind mentioning Orson Scott Card, because he used his fame to push inflammatory politics.
Woz gave an interview to Charlie Rose when his iWoz book came out, and he said something to the effect that Jobs needed Woz more than Woz needed Jobs, because Woz would have been happy being a tech and making stuff at HP or whatever.
That much is true, and Woz was a legend of the early Apple. Yet Jobs was a legend in his own right, and dismissing him as a mere PR man shows your own bias.
The problem is that "displaying content from a web page in HTML5" doesn't give you the full experience that you get from YouTube apps on iPhone and Android.
If you want to see what I mean, delete the app from your device and try using the browser instead for a few days.
Not owning such a device, could you detail how the experience is different? Is this the fault of the browser or of the YouTube website?
The report also notes that while, in the past, some have claimed that an Afghani man killed by the Taliban was a result of those leaks "the supposed informant the Taliban claimed to have executed was not in fact named in the leaked materials."
They will have made those drivers long before Google ever came to cherry-pick it's hardware in the first place and demanding that they FOSS their drivers is something I'm quite sure many device manufacturers would flat out say no to.
I repeat again, it's Google's choice who to partner with. AMD bought ATI out flat and have gone the open source route. Intel has gone the open source route. You're telling me that a company with the size and weight of Google had no choice but to pick a blob graphics chip, and even the blob was held up by lawyers until some bad press hit.
Google has done everything it safely can. EVERYTHING.
Breakout, a discrete logic (non-microprocessor) game, was conceptualized by Nolan Bushnell and Steve Bristow, after the latter had "rejoined" Atari after the merge of Atari subsidiary Kee Games. [..] Alcorn assigned Steve Jobs to design a prototype. Jobs was offered US$750, with a bonus for every chip fewer than 50. Jobs promised to complete a prototype within four days.* [2]
Jobs noticed his friend Steve Wozniak--employee of Hewlett-Packard--was capable of producing designs with a small number of chips, and invited him to work on the hardware design with the prospect of splitting the $750 wage. [..] The original deadline was met after Wozniak worked at Atari four nights straight, doing some additional designs while at his day job at Hewlett Packard. This equated to a bonus of $5000, which Jobs kept secret from Wozniak. Woz has stated he only received payment of $350.[3][4][5][6][7][8]
I say it's arbitrage because Woz agreed to the job upfront for a given price, while Jobs kept secret the bonus. Of course, doing arbitrage like that isn't the kind of things you do to a friend, but he didn't promise him $5,000 and then withhold the money.
If you want to see real fucking over, look at the Lufthansa heist, immortalized in Goodfellas.
Boy: It's my nerves, sir. I just can't stand the barking any more.
Bart: Your nerves! [slaps the kid] I won't have cowards in my army.
Grampa: [whaps Bart] Sorry, Bart. You can push them out of a plane, you can march them off a cliff, you can send them off to die on some God-forsaken rock, but for some reason you can't slap them.
just look up Steve Jobs history some time. The man was several times richer than Woz when they were starting out yet fucked Woz over on one of their very first deals
If you're talking about the job he farmed out to Woz and not paying the bonus for minimization, it was arbitrage. Sure, it wasn't a very friendly thing to do, but I wouldn't say he fucked him over. And in the end Woz earned millions and was able to retire because of his partnership with Jobs.
If you want real asshole behavior out of Jobs, look at the daughter he tried to deny.
No they don't. They are not Apple and are not Gatekeepers to the OS. Anyone can make Android hardware. As for their choices with the Nexus [..]
Since we are talking about the Nexus, which Google controls, your first three sentences are pointless.
I sincerely hope they cared more about performance, reliability and breadth of features. I would much rather a product I own have those instead of some paper stating a bunch of legal rights that I might not actually violate. (Because these days there's no recourse for doing something illegal or against this TOS as long as you aren't caught.)
It's about being able to run the open source Android version on the device by being given the tools to do so. Google likes to wrap itself in the open source flag for publicity and other benefits, but then ignores open source principles as they please.
No, idiots like me will tell you that Google Apps aren't being distributed as part of the whole because there are Android devices which are shipped without the Google Apps, and those devices are working fine.
That others sell devices without them does not mean it isn't part of the whole package being sold. People buy cars without all kind of optional features, but that doesn't mean the feature isn't part of the car when it is included.
The Google Apps are distributed as separate works which are bundled along with the operating system.
They are bundled as apps that perform an expected function of the device. It's the kind of functionality that users want from mobile devices, and they are essential for Google to make money on the device.
If your read of the license were correct, no Linux distribution would ever be able to include any non-GPL packages.
It's up to copyright holders to enforce their copyright. Most people either don't care or accept the static linking myth. Most distributions ignore trademark issues too, but sometimes they are enforced, as in the Debian vs. Mozilla dispute (which is why I'm typing this comment in "Iceweasel" instead of "Firefox").
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But even, they pulled a fast one - the GOOG traded on the market are lower class shares... with no dividend, ownership, or voting rights.
This doesn't make any sense. Who would buy a share without the possibility of receiving dividends? You're also wrong about no voting rights, though they did skew the rights 10 to 1 in favor of the Google founder shares. Only very recently were they cleared to issue a new class of non-voting stock.
sigh... I'm finding out. It's a lot different from my memory of it in college.
Probably because in college you were the know-it-all spewing misinformation on Slashdot.
Funnily enough, I just watched a YouTube video with a mish-mash of ancient civilizations and an impending doom. The video was published in April 2012, and contained lots of references to Dec. 2012. Ho hum.
That doesn't make Jobs any less of a douchebag sociopath
I think there's a big difference between promising somebody $5000 and not delivering versus giving what you promised in the first place and hiding that there was more on the table. You said he "fucked Woz over", but Woz agreed to a job for a price and did it. I agree it was a dick move by Jobs, but backstabber and sociopath? No.
Jobs had several times the amount of money that Woz had
And you know this how? Woz was working, Jobs was working. Neither were paupers, as far as I know.
Jobs was able to sell the public on this "hipster genius perfectionist idealist" horseshit when IRL he was just as big of a douchebag and a backstabber as any of the other big names in IT
I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. Jobs was an idealist about consumer tech. I don't know that he ever claimed to be a saint. Yeah, his darker side might be a bit jarring for the faithful, but they get over it.
Oh, I thought you were talking about some strange weather events or something. The thing about the NSA spying is that to me it is an ordinary conspiracy. This kind of spying has always been going on, with leaks and reports in the media. It's not the same league as controlling the weather.
Is there such a thing as a political slur? It's not like something you're born into.
What does being born into have to do with it?
slur: "1 a: an insulting or disparaging remark or innuendo : aspersion"
If someone doesn't want to be associated with a party of idiots, they are free leave.
Juvenile.
For example, every person who claimed the NSA was spying on Americans, prior to Ed Snowden's recent disclosure.
Please. After the AT&T warrantless wiretap incident, anybody who regarded the idea of the NSA spying on Americans as a whacko conspiracy was either ignorant or a fool. Who was really surprised by government surveillance? More than anything, many were angry that the details were released.
I think that in light of recent events
What recent events? There are always "recent events" happening in the world.
after seeing what authors like GRR Martin and Orson Scott Card get put through, it definitely isn't worth it.
Boo hoo, they became rich and had to put up with a few annoying fans. And you've got to be out of your mind mentioning Orson Scott Card, because he used his fame to push inflammatory politics.
Hell no way I would want to upgrade my server every year. Every 3 years --- maybe. Ideally would be every 5 years.
This attitude is why tech companies ossify.
Woz gave an interview to Charlie Rose when his iWoz book came out, and he said something to the effect that Jobs needed Woz more than Woz needed Jobs, because Woz would have been happy being a tech and making stuff at HP or whatever.
That much is true, and Woz was a legend of the early Apple. Yet Jobs was a legend in his own right, and dismissing him as a mere PR man shows your own bias.
The problem is that "displaying content from a web page in HTML5" doesn't give you the full experience that you get from YouTube apps on iPhone and Android.
If you want to see what I mean, delete the app from your device and try using the browser instead for a few days.
Not owning such a device, could you detail how the experience is different? Is this the fault of the browser or of the YouTube website?
Imagine if you were sitting here today in ignorance and hadn't seen _Collateral Murder_.
Which is itself a biased reporting of the incident.
Watch the "Oliver Stones untold history of the united states", Ok this also probably biased, like anything.
Oliver Stone, biased? Ya think?
You'd think the government would phony up at least one person who died, but nope:
US Military Admits No One Died Because Of Manning's Leaks :
The report also notes that while, in the past, some have claimed that an Afghani man killed by the Taliban was a result of those leaks "the supposed informant the Taliban claimed to have executed was not in fact named in the leaked materials."
They will have made those drivers long before Google ever came to cherry-pick it's hardware in the first place and demanding that they FOSS their drivers is something I'm quite sure many device manufacturers would flat out say no to.
I repeat again, it's Google's choice who to partner with. AMD bought ATI out flat and have gone the open source route. Intel has gone the open source route. You're telling me that a company with the size and weight of Google had no choice but to pick a blob graphics chip, and even the blob was held up by lawyers until some bad press hit.
Google has done everything it safely can. EVERYTHING.
Putting your excuse in caps doesn't make it true.
Nooo I'm talking about the game Woz wrote and Jobs then sold and lied to Woz about how much it sold for so he could keep the lion's share.
We're talking about the same incident:
Breakout, a discrete logic (non-microprocessor) game, was conceptualized by Nolan Bushnell and Steve Bristow, after the latter had "rejoined" Atari after the merge of Atari subsidiary Kee Games. [..] Alcorn assigned Steve Jobs to design a prototype. Jobs was offered US$750, with a bonus for every chip fewer than 50. Jobs promised to complete a prototype within four days.* [2]
Jobs noticed his friend Steve Wozniak--employee of Hewlett-Packard--was capable of producing designs with a small number of chips, and invited him to work on the hardware design with the prospect of splitting the $750 wage. [..] The original deadline was met after Wozniak worked at Atari four nights straight, doing some additional designs while at his day job at Hewlett Packard. This equated to a bonus of $5000, which Jobs kept secret from Wozniak. Woz has stated he only received payment of $350.[3][4][5][6][7][8]
I say it's arbitrage because Woz agreed to the job upfront for a given price, while Jobs kept secret the bonus. Of course, doing arbitrage like that isn't the kind of things you do to a friend, but he didn't promise him $5,000 and then withhold the money.
If you want to see real fucking over, look at the Lufthansa heist, immortalized in Goodfellas.
Good points.
More like common ignorance about the meaning of the word.
Yes, clearly:
1) "girlintraining" is a "dude"
Gender bender. But whatever, I know people are all touchy-feely nowadays about letting girls be boys and boys be girls.
"Bart the General":
Bart: What's the matter with you, soldier!
Boy: It's my nerves, sir. I just can't stand the barking any more.
Bart: Your nerves! [slaps the kid] I won't have cowards in my army.
Grampa: [whaps Bart] Sorry, Bart. You can push them out of a plane, you can march them off a cliff, you can send them off to die on some God-forsaken rock, but for some reason you can't slap them.
just look up Steve Jobs history some time. The man was several times richer than Woz when they were starting out yet fucked Woz over on one of their very first deals
If you're talking about the job he farmed out to Woz and not paying the bonus for minimization, it was arbitrage. Sure, it wasn't a very friendly thing to do, but I wouldn't say he fucked him over. And in the end Woz earned millions and was able to retire because of his partnership with Jobs.
If you want real asshole behavior out of Jobs, look at the daughter he tried to deny.
In contrast, scientists started by measuring orbital velocities and could only explain them with dark matter.
That's why I think dark matter is more like epicycles than the ether.
No they don't. They are not Apple and are not Gatekeepers to the OS. Anyone can make Android hardware. As for their choices with the Nexus [..]
Since we are talking about the Nexus, which Google controls, your first three sentences are pointless.
I sincerely hope they cared more about performance, reliability and breadth of features. I would much rather a product I own have those instead of some paper stating a bunch of legal rights that I might not actually violate. (Because these days there's no recourse for doing something illegal or against this TOS as long as you aren't caught.)
It's about being able to run the open source Android version on the device by being given the tools to do so. Google likes to wrap itself in the open source flag for publicity and other benefits, but then ignores open source principles as they please.
No, idiots like me will tell you that Google Apps aren't being distributed as part of the whole because there are Android devices which are shipped without the Google Apps, and those devices are working fine.
That others sell devices without them does not mean it isn't part of the whole package being sold. People buy cars without all kind of optional features, but that doesn't mean the feature isn't part of the car when it is included.
The Google Apps are distributed as separate works which are bundled along with the operating system.
They are bundled as apps that perform an expected function of the device. It's the kind of functionality that users want from mobile devices, and they are essential for Google to make money on the device.
If your read of the license were correct, no Linux distribution would ever be able to include any non-GPL packages.
It's up to copyright holders to enforce their copyright. Most people either don't care or accept the static linking myth. Most distributions ignore trademark issues too, but sometimes they are enforced, as in the Debian vs. Mozilla dispute (which is why I'm typing this comment in "Iceweasel" instead of "Firefox").