Here's the problem with that argument: it assumes that it doesn't hurt me or anyone else if you have an attitude of "Niggers and Fags aren't real people." In reality, it does. You may encounter Black People and Gay People whom you discount as real people. This not only means I live in a less tolerant society, it means I live in one where there is a racial divide, and I am bringing my kids up in that society. It also means that you discount those people, which hurts the market by taking many people out of it and introducing inefficiencies that come from not letting qualified people work in jobs they're qualified for. In addition, it makes you less likely to treat Black People or Gay People with the basic dignity with which we should treat all human beings. I happen to think it harms me to live in a society where people don't respect one another a tiny bit by default. You may not trust everyone, but there is no reason not to be a little bit courteous. It's not a zero-sum game. It makes everyone happier.
It obviously would make me less tolerant if I actually believed that, but it doesn't make me less tolerant if I say it, and it certainly doesn't make society less tolerant for allowing an app to be downloaded and installed that said it. Quite the opposite is true in reality and logically. If you disallow the app because you don't agree with it, you are being intolerant. Funny thing about tolerance, you have to be tolerant of intolerance, or you aren't actually tolerant.
Although the story of Noah is the first time rain is mentioned in the bible, it does not state that it never rained before Noah
Not true, I'm afraid. Genesis 2: 5-6, after creation:
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. The flood is in chapter 7.
The Bible does state that before Adam, God had not caused it to rain upon the earth. It does not talk about rain between Adam being cast out from the Garden of Eden and the flood. That does not mean that there was no rain during that period of time.
No, but it does mean that the story of Noah isn't the first time rain is mentioned. And at the very least, it implies the flood may have been the first time it rained.
Hate speech is a bullshit buzzword. Someone offering advice on how to cure "the gay" isn't hate speech. Saying all homos should be filleted alive and then drowned would be hate speech. And for the record, I mean hate + speech, or speech that has hate behind it. Which is what is inferred when you say hate speech, but isn't what hate speech actually legally means. Legally its disparaging remarks about a class of people, but that should actually be "offensive speech" or "disparaging speech", not hate speech.
The rest of this post contains words that you may find offensive.
Niggers and Fags aren't real people. Who's with me? Hurrah!!
If you are offended by the second sentence, then you probably should not have read past the first sentence. Who cares whether or not you agree its ok for me to say the second sentence? It was your choice to read it in the first place...
If God existed, you would have either logical or empirical proof that God exists.
Ok, I'm just as argumentative as the next person, but I call bullshit. Just because you don't have evidence of something, doesn't mean the something doesn't exist. In theory, there could be a planet a trillion light years from here where Gods and people and dinosaurs all live together in harmony. Just because you don't have any proof that said planet exists, doesn't mean said planet does not exist. That's the biggest crock of shit I've heard this year.
Although the story of Noah is the first time rain is mentioned in the bible, it does not state that it never rained before Noah
Not true, I'm afraid. Genesis 2: 5-6, after creation:
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
Boost also has shrinkage, every 6 months of on time payments is permanent $5 reduction in monthly bill, up to 3 times. In a year and a half you are paying $35 a month for unlimited everything.
Around here we've got Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile and AT&T. I think that Boost might be available, but that's it.
Boost is Sprint. A subsidiary of sprint, they either use sprints CDMA network, or the use sprints (formerly nextels) iDEN network. I have boost. Their coverage, like sprint, is not the best in the world, but they offer blackberry's with unlimited everything for $60 a month with no contract, and every 6 months worth of on time payments = a permanent $5 a month decrease in your monthly bill up to 3 times. So after a year and a half, unlimited everything, $45 a month, on a blackberry. Screw you AT&T.
Just as I'd be an idiot for handing my checkbook over to the sole control of an employee based solely on trust, I'd be an idiot for handing over the keys to my IT systems.
Isn't there a bit of irony there? You have the keys to something that doesn't belong to you in your singular possession, but don't want to turn them over to someone else's singular possession because a single person might abuse them?
However, in practice, though mail addressed to you may have your name on it, it's the address that's important. As long as you live at that address, you can open that mail.
Comcast doesn't give SLA's, even on business class. There SLA is "We're awesome, we'll keep everything running, trust us. And if it goes down, we'll get it back up soon. We promise"
The Bible makes no claims as to the age of the galaxy, only the age of the earth.
Actually, it's worse than that. The bible makes no claims about the age of the earth either, it simply says that in the beginning, whenever "the beginning" was, God created it. 6000 years comes by counting the ages listed from Adam down through his descendants. The problem with using this as the age of the earth, or anything listed as created before Adam for that point, is two-fold.
First of all, if Adam was immortal before sinning, then he also did not age before sinning, and therefor one can not infer from the text if his listed age is from the moment of his creation, or from the moment he became mortal. With this in mind he could have been 10 million years old when he sinned and became mortal, thus starting the aging process.
Second of all, There is no record of time before Adam was created. Sure, the Bible records everything that is as being created in 6 "days", but it also uses the word "day" arguably before the Sun is listed as being created, assuming the Sun was created not on "day" 1 when he said let there be light, but on "day" 4 when he created the lights in the heavens. Does "day" mean 24 hours? Or is it an arbitrary separation of an unknown amount of time? And regardless of the answer to that question, if a day is a cycle of light and darkness and/or 24 hours and/or whatever, light didn't exist until verse 3 of the first chapter. There is no record or indication of how much "time" occurred prior to verse 2, if "time" even means anything in that context.
Furthermore, there is no evidence that supports that any of that means light in general was created for the first time in verse 3, or simply light visible to the mass of ocean called "earth".
In a nutshell, if you (and by you I mean anyone, not AC parent) want to try to pick apart the historical accuracy of the bible, you should try to pick apart Exodus, or perhaps Kings/Chronicles. Mid Genesis at the latest. The account of creation is rather vague with time periods and meanings. Some people believe that millions if not billions of years of men and dinosaurs and all kinds of nifty things happened between the first and second half of genesis 1:1.
Not necessarily. I am a religious fundamentalist, and science is all well and good in my book, to a point. And by to a point, I mean "this is what we've been able to prove thus far".
Really though, not trying to troll. Just saying those two groups are not necessarily mutually inclusive, though sometimes that is the case.
he Oracle Installation file is right there on the network. And you could normally just run it from the network location, but the install needs to be run in compatibility mode and thats a setting you can't change remotely - so you gotta copy the install files to the local machine, THEN set the compat mode and THEN run it.
Can you just shift+right click the network installable, troubleshoot compatibility, worked fine on earlier version, choose correct version, run program? Seems to work for me with arbitrary exe on network drive...
You do have to do those few clicks each time, but much better than what you are describing...
Disclaimer: I'm probably one of the most conservative religious posters on slashdot, I'm a little further right than what most "evangelicals" are, though I do think I have the ability to think for myself.
That being said, we can spend a trillion dollars to go to war for barely truthful reasons (at best), but can't spend 10 billion to go to mars?
Even as a creationist, there is something wrong here.
The crux of the problem is you're really thinking about it all wrong when you don't understand it. The explanation becomes readily apparent if you start with a =.99, because then you actually have to do the math instead of just "lopping off".999... off the end of the equation. When you do this, you realize when you lopped off the.999... you weren't actually subtracting, you were just dropping a symbol or placeholder for an amount of digits that can't be written off the end of the number.
IOW
a=.99 10a=9.9 9a=8.91 a=.99
but wait how come when I subtract.999... oh that's right, I didn't subtract.999... because that's impossible.
Slashdot Mirror
Here's the problem with that argument: it assumes that it doesn't hurt me or anyone else if you have an attitude of "Niggers and Fags aren't real people." In reality, it does. You may encounter Black People and Gay People whom you discount as real people. This not only means I live in a less tolerant society, it means I live in one where there is a racial divide, and I am bringing my kids up in that society. It also means that you discount those people, which hurts the market by taking many people out of it and introducing inefficiencies that come from not letting qualified people work in jobs they're qualified for. In addition, it makes you less likely to treat Black People or Gay People with the basic dignity with which we should treat all human beings. I happen to think it harms me to live in a society where people don't respect one another a tiny bit by default. You may not trust everyone, but there is no reason not to be a little bit courteous. It's not a zero-sum game. It makes everyone happier.
It obviously would make me less tolerant if I actually believed that, but it doesn't make me less tolerant if I say it, and it certainly doesn't make society less tolerant for allowing an app to be downloaded and installed that said it. Quite the opposite is true in reality and logically. If you disallow the app because you don't agree with it, you are being intolerant. Funny thing about tolerance, you have to be tolerant of intolerance, or you aren't actually tolerant.
Although the story of Noah is the first time rain is mentioned in the bible, it does not state that it never rained before Noah
Not true, I'm afraid. Genesis 2: 5-6, after creation:
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. The flood is in chapter 7.
The Bible does state that before Adam, God had not caused it to rain upon the earth. It does not talk about rain between Adam being cast out from the Garden of Eden and the flood. That does not mean that there was no rain during that period of time.
No, but it does mean that the story of Noah isn't the first time rain is mentioned. And at the very least, it implies the flood may have been the first time it rained.
Hate speech is a bullshit buzzword. Someone offering advice on how to cure "the gay" isn't hate speech. Saying all homos should be filleted alive and then drowned would be hate speech. And for the record, I mean hate + speech, or speech that has hate behind it. Which is what is inferred when you say hate speech, but isn't what hate speech actually legally means. Legally its disparaging remarks about a class of people, but that should actually be "offensive speech" or "disparaging speech", not hate speech.
The rest of this post contains words that you may find offensive.
Niggers and Fags aren't real people. Who's with me? Hurrah!!
If you are offended by the second sentence, then you probably should not have read past the first sentence. Who cares whether or not you agree its ok for me to say the second sentence? It was your choice to read it in the first place...
If God existed, you would have either logical or empirical proof that God exists.
Ok, I'm just as argumentative as the next person, but I call bullshit. Just because you don't have evidence of something, doesn't mean the something doesn't exist. In theory, there could be a planet a trillion light years from here where Gods and people and dinosaurs all live together in harmony. Just because you don't have any proof that said planet exists, doesn't mean said planet does not exist. That's the biggest crock of shit I've heard this year.
Although the story of Noah is the first time rain is mentioned in the bible, it does not state that it never rained before Noah
Not true, I'm afraid. Genesis 2: 5-6, after creation:
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
The flood is in chapter 7.
Boost also has shrinkage, every 6 months of on time payments is permanent $5 reduction in monthly bill, up to 3 times. In a year and a half you are paying $35 a month for unlimited everything.
Around here we've got Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile and AT&T. I think that Boost might be available, but that's it.
Boost is Sprint. A subsidiary of sprint, they either use sprints CDMA network, or the use sprints (formerly nextels) iDEN network. I have boost. Their coverage, like sprint, is not the best in the world, but they offer blackberry's with unlimited everything for $60 a month with no contract, and every 6 months worth of on time payments = a permanent $5 a month decrease in your monthly bill up to 3 times. So after a year and a half, unlimited everything, $45 a month, on a blackberry. Screw you AT&T.
(eg. Microsoft Online Services Admin Centre).
Yeah, that one grinds my gears too, as chrome is my browser of choice. Another one is the hourly forecast on weather.com
Mirror anyone?
Just as I'd be an idiot for handing my checkbook over to the sole control of an employee based solely on trust, I'd be an idiot for handing over the keys to my IT systems.
Isn't there a bit of irony there? You have the keys to something that doesn't belong to you in your singular possession, but don't want to turn them over to someone else's singular possession because a single person might abuse them?
Nigger
nice
Letter of the law? I believe so.
However, in practice, though mail addressed to you may have your name on it, it's the address that's important. As long as you live at that address, you can open that mail.
Comcast doesn't give SLA's, even on business class. There SLA is "We're awesome, we'll keep everything running, trust us. And if it goes down, we'll get it back up soon. We promise"
Mid Genesis at the latest.
Oops, at the earliest. Maybe I should take preview more seriously. Like, super, super cereal.
The Bible makes no claims as to the age of the galaxy, only the age of the earth.
Actually, it's worse than that. The bible makes no claims about the age of the earth either, it simply says that in the beginning, whenever "the beginning" was, God created it. 6000 years comes by counting the ages listed from Adam down through his descendants. The problem with using this as the age of the earth, or anything listed as created before Adam for that point, is two-fold.
First of all, if Adam was immortal before sinning, then he also did not age before sinning, and therefor one can not infer from the text if his listed age is from the moment of his creation, or from the moment he became mortal. With this in mind he could have been 10 million years old when he sinned and became mortal, thus starting the aging process.
Second of all, There is no record of time before Adam was created. Sure, the Bible records everything that is as being created in 6 "days", but it also uses the word "day" arguably before the Sun is listed as being created, assuming the Sun was created not on "day" 1 when he said let there be light, but on "day" 4 when he created the lights in the heavens. Does "day" mean 24 hours? Or is it an arbitrary separation of an unknown amount of time? And regardless of the answer to that question, if a day is a cycle of light and darkness and/or 24 hours and/or whatever, light didn't exist until verse 3 of the first chapter. There is no record or indication of how much "time" occurred prior to verse 2, if "time" even means anything in that context.
Furthermore, there is no evidence that supports that any of that means light in general was created for the first time in verse 3, or simply light visible to the mass of ocean called "earth".
In a nutshell, if you (and by you I mean anyone, not AC parent) want to try to pick apart the historical accuracy of the bible, you should try to pick apart Exodus, or perhaps Kings/Chronicles. Mid Genesis at the latest. The account of creation is rather vague with time periods and meanings. Some people believe that millions if not billions of years of men and dinosaurs and all kinds of nifty things happened between the first and second half of genesis 1:1.
*sigh*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORTLn-RDnQ4 at ~2:32 to set the stage, and then
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAZQ0qX5iR0 at ~1:33
Yeah, so...I wasn't really trying to accurately describe the color of the big yellow one...
the BIG YELLOW one is the SUN!!
Not necessarily. I am a religious fundamentalist, and science is all well and good in my book, to a point. And by to a point, I mean "this is what we've been able to prove thus far".
Really though, not trying to troll. Just saying those two groups are not necessarily mutually inclusive, though sometimes that is the case.
he Oracle Installation file is right there on the network. And you could normally just run it from the network location, but the install needs to be run in compatibility mode and thats a setting you can't change remotely - so you gotta copy the install files to the local machine, THEN set the compat mode and THEN run it.
Can you just shift+right click the network installable, troubleshoot compatibility, worked fine on earlier version, choose correct version, run program? Seems to work for me with arbitrary exe on network drive...
You do have to do those few clicks each time, but much better than what you are describing...
Disclaimer: I'm probably one of the most conservative religious posters on slashdot, I'm a little further right than what most "evangelicals" are, though I do think I have the ability to think for myself.
That being said, we can spend a trillion dollars to go to war for barely truthful reasons (at best), but can't spend 10 billion to go to mars?
Even as a creationist, there is something wrong here.
You may get me yet, but I own ZERO cd's or dvd's.
The crux of the problem is you're really thinking about it all wrong when you don't understand it. The explanation becomes readily apparent if you start with a = .99, because then you actually have to do the math instead of just "lopping off" .999... off the end of the equation. When you do this, you realize when you lopped off the .999... you weren't actually subtracting, you were just dropping a symbol or placeholder for an amount of digits that can't be written off the end of the number.
.999... oh that's right, I didn't subtract .999... because that's impossible.
IOW
a=.99
10a=9.9
9a=8.91
a=.99
but wait how come when I subtract
FF12, for example, had an atrocious plot
Everything else you said is true, but not this. Nothing wrong with FF12 plot. You want a bad plot, look at FFVIII