So, does that justify thinking the FBI planned to have the guardsmen shoot the students by triggering them with an agent provocateur with handgun? No, even if you uncritically accept all four premises.
You'd make an awesome prosecutor.
"Here's a bunch of details that may or may not be right. Even if you accept all of them, they don't prove that the defendant is guilty. But you should be suspicious!"
Your last two sentences are contradictory. The rest is full of unproven assertions. Again, the CT mindset is evident - string together a couple of "facts", toss in a logical fallacy, and you're off and running!
No, not really. Your whole thought process is flawed, and you're just not seeing it. I can't have a rational discussion with someone who thinks that "A occurred therefore X is a conspiracy" is a logical line of argument. You might reject the 9/11 conspiracy theories and the moon landing hoax, but you're using the exact same line of "reasoning" as they are. So yeah, I'm happy just to continue mocking you.
This isn't "JFK shot by CIA/KGB/FBI/Unions/Mafia/Cubans". This isn't moon landing or 9/11 truther conspiracies. This is all well-documented malfeasance by the FBI.
I agree, malfeasance is everywhere. Therefore clearly JFK was murdered by reptilians. Quod erat demonstrandum.
Regardless whether or not you and I think condoms are useful, it's so annoying to hear people completely forgetting that there is a thing called abstinence in the world!
That's because - as the catholic church has repeatedly shown - there really isn't.
Do kitchen knives cause stabbings? Do cars cause car accidents? Do computers cause bugs?
Are inanimate objects the same as ideologies?
If you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, or even the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, you will find that the Church does not approve of war at all except for purely defensive purposes.
lol. And if you read Mein Kampf, you'll find that Hitler really wanted world peace. You're picking and choosing in order to support your preconceived notions - in reality, the Catholic church has repeatedly sanctioned wars and atrocities while preaching about the glory of fighting on the side of god, and you don't get to use some obscure document to try and gloss over that.
I'm not sure that him being a sheep is any better than him liking to play dress-up. There are plenty of CEO's who have bucked the trend of wearing suits - I've yet to see a pope willing to reject the opulent livery with which they've become associated.
Even MITs somewhat optimistic forecast of nuclear growth will not displace the fossil fuels within several decades, and the situation is similar for energy conservation and the renewables. It is however quite possible to get rid of teh fossil fuels if you are willing to use ALL of these techniques in combination.
Yes, because it's always been much more efficient to build dozens of different products which all do essentially the same job, instead of coming up with one good design and then popping it out like an assembly-line.
It's truly sad that this kind of paranoid drivel is getting modded "insightful". But, what the hell, in the spirit of slashdot, allow me to contribute:
You're CLEARLY missing the big picture. What actually happened here is that space lizards from alpha centauri wanted to control the US government, and knew they could never do it while the US remained a dominant superpower. Therefore, they infiltrated both the FBI and the student protest groups, and arranged for a confrontation to occur. The resultant shootings directly lead to a US defeat in Vietnam, and have resulted in a decline of American influence ever since. Meanwhile the reptilians have continued to use false flag attacks in order to further subvert US dominance, and consolidate their grip on the US government. It's a well known fact that both George Bush and Dick Cheney were being controlled by reptilians - nothing else could explain their mindless, zombie-like stumbling through the middle east.
There. Now if past history is any indication, I should get modded +10 million "Insightful".
Eh, I wouldn't be impressed by that, either. Given the number of conspiracy theorists and flat-out idiots who frequent these forums, it would be shocking if SOMEONE hadn't made such accusations. I'd be much more impressed if he could point to a prediction which had been based on a rational analysis of the situation, rather than FUD.
Also, as the claims being made in this article seem to be at least partly blown out of proportion, I think I'll hold off until I can actually see one of these vehicles in action before making any concessions about his predictive powers.
No, my analogy was predicated on the fact that civil rights abuses in western nations are rare and relatively minor, and that fools like you like to blow them out of proportion while ignoring, downplaying, or excusing far worse abuses in other parts of the world. Your strawman attack is the only ridiculous bit here.
No, I wasn't talking about myself. Look, I know you're not exactly a rocket scientist, but this shouldn't be difficult to understand, even for you. I stated that no individual can speak for the group as a whole. The logical implication is that anyone claiming to speak for the group is either speaking about himself, making broad generalizations, or talking out of his ass - either way he's revealing more about himself than he is about the group. These are not contradictory statements - one stems directly from the other. If you don't get that, then you don't understand basic logic. You can disagree with the initial premise, if you like, but you don't get to pretend that there's a problem with the way the statements are structured. And if you disagree with the initial claim then I'm not particularly impressed by your reasoning abilities in general.
I truly doubt that you've actually read the patriot act, but it's irrelevant - the fact that you've chosen to nitpick my analogy instead of commenting on the point I was making tells me that you weren't actually interested in a response to your question. I see no point in continuing this discussion.
You say you're happy to oblige, but then fail to do so. Are you confused about what the phrase "on the payroll" actually means, or what's the problem, exactly?
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Because you like to shoehorn people into nice, neat categories. Makes it easier for you to justify blowing them off.
So, does that justify thinking the FBI planned to have the guardsmen shoot the students by triggering them with an agent provocateur with handgun? No, even if you uncritically accept all four premises.
You'd make an awesome prosecutor.
"Here's a bunch of details that may or may not be right. Even if you accept all of them, they don't prove that the defendant is guilty. But you should be suspicious!"
Whatever makes you happy, bro.
Your last two sentences are contradictory. The rest is full of unproven assertions. Again, the CT mindset is evident - string together a couple of "facts", toss in a logical fallacy, and you're off and running!
No, not really. Your whole thought process is flawed, and you're just not seeing it. I can't have a rational discussion with someone who thinks that "A occurred therefore X is a conspiracy" is a logical line of argument. You might reject the 9/11 conspiracy theories and the moon landing hoax, but you're using the exact same line of "reasoning" as they are. So yeah, I'm happy just to continue mocking you.
Care to address the fact that there are real, acknowledged, well documented lizards living on the planet Earth?
So in your mind the FBI and the U.S. government have never done anything wrong that could possibly have harmed its own citizens
Ohh, nice logic! Tell me, has one of your siblings ever driven faster than the speed limit?
Yes?
Ok, then clearly you're the real JFK assassin.
Do you think that's a good rebuttal? Read up on Reptilians. Read up on Alpha Centauri.
This isn't "JFK shot by CIA/KGB/FBI/Unions/Mafia/Cubans". This isn't moon landing or 9/11 truther conspiracies. This is all well-documented malfeasance by the FBI.
I agree, malfeasance is everywhere. Therefore clearly JFK was murdered by reptilians. Quod erat demonstrandum.
Regardless whether or not you and I think condoms are useful, it's so annoying to hear people completely forgetting that there is a thing called abstinence in the world!
That's because - as the catholic church has repeatedly shown - there really isn't.
Do kitchen knives cause stabbings? Do cars cause car accidents? Do computers cause bugs?
Are inanimate objects the same as ideologies?
If you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, or even the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, you will find that the Church does not approve of war at all except for purely defensive purposes.
lol. And if you read Mein Kampf, you'll find that Hitler really wanted world peace. You're picking and choosing in order to support your preconceived notions - in reality, the Catholic church has repeatedly sanctioned wars and atrocities while preaching about the glory of fighting on the side of god, and you don't get to use some obscure document to try and gloss over that.
I'm not sure that him being a sheep is any better than him liking to play dress-up. There are plenty of CEO's who have bucked the trend of wearing suits - I've yet to see a pope willing to reject the opulent livery with which they've become associated.
So wait ... you're complaining that cops won't be able to abuse the system any more?? That's a new one for me ....
Even MITs somewhat optimistic forecast of nuclear growth will not displace the fossil fuels within several decades, and the situation is similar for energy conservation and the renewables. It is however quite possible to get rid of teh fossil fuels if you are willing to use ALL of these techniques in combination.
Yes, because it's always been much more efficient to build dozens of different products which all do essentially the same job, instead of coming up with one good design and then popping it out like an assembly-line.
Oh wait ...
It's truly sad that this kind of paranoid drivel is getting modded "insightful". But, what the hell, in the spirit of slashdot, allow me to contribute:
You're CLEARLY missing the big picture. What actually happened here is that space lizards from alpha centauri wanted to control the US government, and knew they could never do it while the US remained a dominant superpower. Therefore, they infiltrated both the FBI and the student protest groups, and arranged for a confrontation to occur. The resultant shootings directly lead to a US defeat in Vietnam, and have resulted in a decline of American influence ever since. Meanwhile the reptilians have continued to use false flag attacks in order to further subvert US dominance, and consolidate their grip on the US government. It's a well known fact that both George Bush and Dick Cheney were being controlled by reptilians - nothing else could explain their mindless, zombie-like stumbling through the middle east.
There. Now if past history is any indication, I should get modded +10 million "Insightful".
Eh, I wouldn't be impressed by that, either. Given the number of conspiracy theorists and flat-out idiots who frequent these forums, it would be shocking if SOMEONE hadn't made such accusations. I'd be much more impressed if he could point to a prediction which had been based on a rational analysis of the situation, rather than FUD.
Also, as the claims being made in this article seem to be at least partly blown out of proportion, I think I'll hold off until I can actually see one of these vehicles in action before making any concessions about his predictive powers.
That's WAY too painless. You're such a poseur!
About half the asteroids that could hit us come from the daytime sky
Well this is obviously why we have observatories in Australia. Duh!
I know you are, but what am I?
lol. I guess you need at least a modicum of intelligence to realize that you're clueless. Thanks for the laughs, anyway.
Yes, when you get called on using a strawman argument, just repeat yourself. Great strategy!
No, my analogy was predicated on the fact that civil rights abuses in western nations are rare and relatively minor, and that fools like you like to blow them out of proportion while ignoring, downplaying, or excusing far worse abuses in other parts of the world. Your strawman attack is the only ridiculous bit here.
No, I wasn't talking about myself. Look, I know you're not exactly a rocket scientist, but this shouldn't be difficult to understand, even for you. I stated that no individual can speak for the group as a whole. The logical implication is that anyone claiming to speak for the group is either speaking about himself, making broad generalizations, or talking out of his ass - either way he's revealing more about himself than he is about the group. These are not contradictory statements - one stems directly from the other. If you don't get that, then you don't understand basic logic. You can disagree with the initial premise, if you like, but you don't get to pretend that there's a problem with the way the statements are structured. And if you disagree with the initial claim then I'm not particularly impressed by your reasoning abilities in general.
I truly doubt that you've actually read the patriot act, but it's irrelevant - the fact that you've chosen to nitpick my analogy instead of commenting on the point I was making tells me that you weren't actually interested in a response to your question. I see no point in continuing this discussion.
You say you're happy to oblige, but then fail to do so. Are you confused about what the phrase "on the payroll" actually means, or what's the problem, exactly?
I think you need to go back and re-read the conversation we've had, because your little list there doesn't even come close to reflecting reality.
Oh, I see. So Chinese policies are actually equivalent to pedophilia, and American policies aren't equivalent to homosexuality.
Wait, what?
You're not sober at the moment, are you?
a) Mr. Norman was on the payroll of the FBI at the time
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