I've got an older system here... I built it roughly 5 years ago (I think -- I may be over-estimating). It's an AMD Athlon XP 2500+, 1GB OEM RAM, 120GB SATA Hard drive, and an Nvidia FX 5200 video card (I think)...
I used to run SuSE 9.1 and was running it fine for 3 years or so... then came time to try and upgrade to a newer version. Of course this is right around the time that Novell bought SUSE and changed it up a bit. So an easy upgrade was indeed not possible. I decided to try out a few distributions but had a lot of problems finding one that would work fast and I ended up on Gentoo. I know, I know, compile time was a pain in the ass... I decided to go down the XFCE route and use all of the lighter-weight GTK programs... I think I only have one QT program that I actually use installed and it only depends on QT, nothing else.
Xubuntu ran O.K... but not anywhere near as nice as Gentoo is. I think it's not the fact that it was compiled and optimized... I beleive it's because during installation I learned more as I set it up. And I knew what I wanted/needed to run the system. Whereas Ubuntu makes a lot of choices for you, mostly in system services, etc. I have a total of 29 items that start up when I boot. I think only 10-15 of them are actually daemons. Right now I am using 215MB or so of my 1GB of RAM... this is with Firefox (4 tabs), Thunderbird w/Lightning, aMSN, Terminal, Mousepad and a whole slew of items on my panel.
If you want lightweight, make sure you know exactly what is going on your system. And use something like XFCE or Fluxbox versus KDE or Gnome.
It should be noted that Slipstreaming is not as daunting as most people expect... nLite can help that problem and adds a lot of 'hacks' for the install as well. These hacks I speak of are more like features, such as adding Vendor information, as well as including the Serial # right in the install. You can setup an Unattended Setup... that is, you can pre-set all of the questions Windows Setup usually asks during installation.
OpenMoko is crap. The UI is horrid and shows no signs of getting better, development has no direction and never will, the hardware is an order of magnitude crappier than iPhone's (no capacitive multitouch touchscreen, no WiFi, no 2.5G or 3G WAN).
Wow. Apply fanboy much?
Actually the OpenMoko (aka FIC Neo1973) has the following new additions to hardware on the upcoming Consumer Edition (aka GTA02):
* 802.11 b/g WiFi
* Samsung 2442 SoC
* SMedia 3362 Graphics Accelerator
* 2 3D Accelerometers
* 256MB Flash
* 1700mAh Battery
* Faster CPU - S3C2442/400
* LEDs illuminating the two buttons.
Do you really need a multi-touch screen? Not really. Maybe if you want to sit there and play video games... but that's the only practical use I can see in it.
Most people who are looking at purchasing an OpenMoko phone, are not looking for flashy high-speed bullshit. We want something we can actually use. Most of us are hackers, and that is the need this phone is trying to fill. I want a phone I can build a simple app on for simple things. I'm sorry, but the only reason the iPhone has such high-end hardware, is because it requires the resources for it's bloated software.
Please, for the love of 'steve', quit trolling.
It's rather obvious that you had no idea how to do it the mac way and only tried to do it your way / in the way you did it in your regular OS.
People have already told you how to fix the NFS issue, and it was very simple wasn't it? If your gf had sat for herself and tried to get NFS working what way do you think she would had prefered?
Actually, no. I followed the instructions given in Mac Help. Nope, didn't work. Tried examples from all over the web. Nope. Didn't help.
You never told WHAT you did with either of NFS or WHAT videos you wanted to see which didn't worked, but I got my Macbook Pro 16 days ago and I haven't done anything yet to watch movies except installed flip4mac, but then I haven't looked at many websites. But I doubt it will have problems viewing any popular site with not that weird movie formats using any browser and quicktime after that.
I wanted to mount my/Media share on her system at/Media (or/User/username/Media). Neither mounting or browsing via Finder would work. She used VLC for a long time while she was on Windows. That is _her_ preference.
Regarding he browser I don't like Safari that much either, but it's decent. I use Opera in all OSes and I would never use firefox instead of it.
In any case for Safari you can block ads with pithelmet, and Opera got a built in adblocker, if that was one of the reason she choosed firefox.
Again, she used Firefox on Windows and it is _her_ preference.
I'm sure organizing and editing her photos, make her own videos to put on youtube and so on will work sooo good in Gentoo... or not.
Yes. Because everybody who buys a mac is some dipshit hippie who takes pictures and makes videos to upload onto Youtube... right? She's actually going to school to become an electrician.
You really don't have to be such a jackass. I hope this experience has taught you something.
Sadly, I did follow the given steps in Mac Help. As well as plenty of guides on the internet.
I could not get it to work in any instance/configuration. After a while of trying I came to the conclusion that maybe it was a version incompatibility or something silly like that.:-)
Thank you for your very polite suggestion/comment.
This is a frequent problem for Linux/BSD/Solaris mavens when coming to the Mac. You expect to have to manually edit the config files, so you don't even think of looking in the Finder menu for "connect to server".
I'm not sure who's post you read, but I did not, in any way, want to just connect to it. I wanted to mount, and have it automatically mount on every boot.
Also, the "Connect To Server" did not work either.
Although I do thank your very ignorant comment.:-)
Actually yes, I did it the OS X way. I followed a few guides on the web and I still could not get it to work. Even setting up the same examples from the guides (creating the same directory and all).
I really am not sure what it was, and frankly my girlfriend didn't take too kindly to OS X either. It was her choice to move to Gentoo (although I think it was mostly that's because what I use -- and she wanted to be like me... or something.)
But I thank you for your effort either way. I am not a noob when it comes Linux, OS X or Windows. I've used all extensively. I had just never owned a Mac before. I use one at work all the time. It just flat out would not work. I'm starting to believe it was some dumb version incompatibility or something weird and easily overlooked like that.
We had to use the MediaPlayerConnectivity plugin, which worked fine on my system. For some reason it would not detect VLC on OS X. Which was a pain.
Here, I'll go a bit slower: MediaPlayerConnectivity would not detect VLC's path. I had to browse for it myself, which for some strange reason that did not want to work either. I could open VLC by going to Applications in the Finder, or by launching it from the dock. But it would not launch from MediaPlayerConnectivity. I also could not drag it from Finder into the input box in MediaPlayerConnectivity's config options (which I believe is limitation on XUL or something).
I understand. Someone says something about your choice in OS, and instantly you assume that it's the users fault. I feel the same way when you fuckwads move to Linux.
I thank your criticism, but this did not work. I could not get it to mount or even browse the share.
I had my server setup EXACTLY like many of the examples on the web(server and client). It simply would not budge.
A few months ago my girlfriend was looking at buying a computer. Me always wanting to get in on a Mac, made the suggestion of buying a Mac Mini. She needed something basic for school so she wasn't hogging my system (I do web design/development for a living). The Mac Mini seemed to fit the bill quite nicely.
The first thing we tried to get working was a network share (NFS) so we could share documents and media. No matter what I did, I could not get an NFS share to mount on her system. I tried everything (BTW, who's idea was it to get rid of/etc/fstab on OS X!?) but to no avail. We simply could not get it to work. The next was that she wanted to be able to view videos on the net (using Firefox -- she got annoyed with Safari quite quickly). For some reason we had more problems than any other OS I've dealt with. We had to use the MediaPlayerConnectivity plugin, which worked fine on my system. For some reason it would not detect VLC on OS X. Which was a pain.
Anywho.. my point. OS X is okay for a lot of people. But I have found that some of the very easily accomplished tasks (such as setting up NFS or watching video's on the net) seem to be a pain in the rear. In the end we dual-booted it with Gentoo (w/XFCE and lightweight apps) to make life easier. NFS? No problem. Add portmap to the default runlevel and add the line to fstab. MediaPlayerConnectivity and VLC? Worked right out of the box.
And that be my tale of my adventures with OS X.:-)
I'm not entirely sure what you mean there... Do you mean a disc that is basically an image of an install? (Like I know that Sony offers with it's Vaio line) What I described was an official Windows XP Pro install CD that I had "slipstreamed."
If you are thinking in terms of an image, you can indeed create a similar disc(usually on a DVD) using off-the-shelf software. I'm not sure of any free software, but there is a lot of commercial software. Just try a Google search for "Windows Restore Disc"
Or are you asking of just a single download that you can download to update the entire system? If so, not that I am aware of. That is what the service packs are designed to do. So my suggestion is to download the SP2 "offline install" then perform whatever windows updates are still remaining... Which will be a few. To my knowledge SP3 for XP is said to be coming out in 2008.
Instead of starting a flamewar like the other comment to your post, I will actually try to include some information.
I maintain a custom XP Pro disc. I use nLite to apply these custom changes. I purchased XP Pro w/SP2 at one point for a friends computer that I built. The only options that are not pre-set on the custom disc is the serial number that I force new computer users to buy because I'm not a large advocate of piracy (I, personally, use Gentoo Linux in my home). I update the disc every so often (usually once a month) to apply new Windows Updates, etc. I use the RyanVM's XP post SP2 update pack.
Lately people (aka: script kiddies) seem to be losing the distinction between what is a language, and what is a framework. I cannot remember the last time I downloaded a PHP script and it required PEAR. I absolutely despise PEAR, and all other frameworks that really don't seem to have a place.
Over the past 5 years or so (I develop websites for a living) I've developed a framework-style setup that I use for all new projects. Most sites don't share the same code as I develop project-specific. But the structure is the same, and in most cases I could grab a pile of files from one site and plop them in the next and it would work.
Use the tool as it is meant to be used. PHP is a language. A framework is a framework. Please don't compare them on the same level.
That is not entirely true. ZFS is available via FUSE. Some users do use it for some things. I really makes backup, etc. very easy. I, personally, haven't had a chance to try it out or anything, but I really would like to.
It would be a damn shame if development on it were halted because of silly patents.:-)
What the hell are you talking about? Below is my original post, please feel free to point out where I claimed it was a complete alternative to the iPhone.
If you want to build/install third party apps on a smartphone, why not buy something a little more open?
Not trying to troll or anything... I'm being serious. I truely believe in what OpenMoko is doing. Apple makes OK hardware and systems, but I will still side with whichever is more open.
*shrugs* I suppose I've just never found the iPhone to be anywhere near appealing.
Rogers throttles the shit out of the connection, imposes monthly bandwidth caps, and won't sell me service with a static address or the ability to run "servers". Gibbled service from Rogers costs about the same as cable in the US.
I agree. Don't use Rogers.;-) Although, I'm quite keen on what they offer in Mobile Phone Service.. at least, compared to the other provider in my area.
Bell has monthly bandwidth caps, and I get frequent disconnects and piss poor sync rates because even though I'm in a residential area of a half million person area (Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge) that they say will get 3-5Mbps I'm 6.2km wire distance from the CO that's 3km away. It took 3 months for them to figure out that my connection blows because of the wire distance. Bell will give me an unstable piece of shit line with static address and ability to run servers for $99/month. Other DSL providers use the same copper, and so provide an unstable piece of shit line, for around $30/month.
I live in Saskatchewan. The only other ISP is Sasktel. They have OK connections for OK prices. Right now I am signed up with the High Speed Plus package... it's about $45/month. It's supposed 5Mbps download and 700-something Kbps upload. I run a small web development server and no complaints there. It runs great for what I use it for. The static IP package, however, is pretty absurd. $15/month for one static address. The website said two for that price so I'm pretty confused, really. I think I am going to have to give them a call and find out what that is about.
To my knowledge, my connection runs to the station here, then to Regina, SK. I live in Moose Jaw. I've never had any drag or downtime since I moved into my latest apartment. I've only been here about 7 months now, though. Still, so far it's been great!
Anywho... just my input.:-)
Is the browser going to suck like most phones? Who knows?
The developer of the browser for it seems to be hinting that it will be launched along with GTA02.
Besides... This discussion is about people installing third-party applications on their phone. Initially I simply stated that the OpenMoko would be much better supported in that aspect. Installing unsupported "hacked" applications onto the iPhone may void your warranty. And whenever you do a software update on it, it apparently will lose all of your hard work in trying to install things on it. The other option would be to not install the updates, but then we'd have another WindowsXP (pre-SP1) on our hands.
If you'd have done a tiny bit of searching, you'd see that the version available right now is the developer edition (aka GTA01). This version was designed with price in mind. It purposely lacks some non-essential features to make it more affordable to developers. The next revision is the consumer edition (aka GTA02) which happens to be coming out in October. If my math is correct, that's only 2 months away...
Damn you fan-boys piss me off. You bash anything you don't understand, or apparently don't care to understand. Do some research and save the world the hassle of dealing with asshats like you.
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I've got an older system here... I built it roughly 5 years ago (I think -- I may be over-estimating). It's an AMD Athlon XP 2500+, 1GB OEM RAM, 120GB SATA Hard drive, and an Nvidia FX 5200 video card (I think)...
:-)
I used to run SuSE 9.1 and was running it fine for 3 years or so... then came time to try and upgrade to a newer version. Of course this is right around the time that Novell bought SUSE and changed it up a bit. So an easy upgrade was indeed not possible. I decided to try out a few distributions but had a lot of problems finding one that would work fast and I ended up on Gentoo. I know, I know, compile time was a pain in the ass... I decided to go down the XFCE route and use all of the lighter-weight GTK programs... I think I only have one QT program that I actually use installed and it only depends on QT, nothing else.
Xubuntu ran O.K... but not anywhere near as nice as Gentoo is. I think it's not the fact that it was compiled and optimized... I beleive it's because during installation I learned more as I set it up. And I knew what I wanted/needed to run the system. Whereas Ubuntu makes a lot of choices for you, mostly in system services, etc. I have a total of 29 items that start up when I boot. I think only 10-15 of them are actually daemons. Right now I am using 215MB or so of my 1GB of RAM... this is with Firefox (4 tabs), Thunderbird w/Lightning, aMSN, Terminal, Mousepad and a whole slew of items on my panel.
If you want lightweight, make sure you know exactly what is going on your system. And use something like XFCE or Fluxbox versus KDE or Gnome.
Just my two cents.
Funny you mention that... AMD has started to rename their processors.
Check out this neat article I stumbled upon not too long ago while pricing an AMD system for a friend:
http://www.viperlair.com/reviews/cpu_mobo/amd/be2350/index.shtml
It's actually a review of one of the processors with the new naming convention... but goes into detail as to how to identify processors.
In the infamous words of Micheal Kelso:
BURN!
Actually the OpenMoko (aka FIC Neo1973) has the following new additions to hardware on the upcoming Consumer Edition (aka GTA02):
* 802.11 b/g WiFi
* Samsung 2442 SoC
* SMedia 3362 Graphics Accelerator
* 2 3D Accelerometers
* 256MB Flash
* 1700mAh Battery
* Faster CPU - S3C2442/400
* LEDs illuminating the two buttons.
Do you really need a multi-touch screen? Not really. Maybe if you want to sit there and play video games... but that's the only practical use I can see in it.
Most people who are looking at purchasing an OpenMoko phone, are not looking for flashy high-speed bullshit. We want something we can actually use. Most of us are hackers, and that is the need this phone is trying to fill. I want a phone I can build a simple app on for simple things. I'm sorry, but the only reason the iPhone has such high-end hardware, is because it requires the resources for it's bloated software.
Please, for the love of 'steve', quit trolling.
You really don't have to be such a jackass. I hope this experience has taught you something.
Sadly, I did follow the given steps in Mac Help. As well as plenty of guides on the internet.
:-)
I could not get it to work in any instance/configuration. After a while of trying I came to the conclusion that maybe it was a version incompatibility or something silly like that.
Thank you for your very polite suggestion/comment.
Also, the "Connect To Server" did not work either.
Although I do thank your very ignorant comment.
Yes. I used that guide. As well as quite a few others.
:-)
I'm unsure as to what it was, but it simply would not work in any configuration I put it through.
And yes, XP and NFS is even more of a pain in the rear.
Actually yes, I did it the OS X way. I followed a few guides on the web and I still could not get it to work. Even setting up the same examples from the guides (creating the same directory and all).
I really am not sure what it was, and frankly my girlfriend didn't take too kindly to OS X either. It was her choice to move to Gentoo (although I think it was mostly that's because what I use -- and she wanted to be like me... or something.)
But I thank you for your effort either way. I am not a noob when it comes Linux, OS X or Windows. I've used all extensively. I had just never owned a Mac before. I use one at work all the time. It just flat out would not work. I'm starting to believe it was some dumb version incompatibility or something weird and easily overlooked like that.
I understand. Someone says something about your choice in OS, and instantly you assume that it's the users fault. I feel the same way when you fuckwads move to Linux.
Now, I don't really understand why you seem to use such profanity while I simply told a tale of my experience with OS X.
I don't know what you read, but this setup was for my girlfriend. She used VLC on Windows and on my Gentoo system and it was what she wanted to use.
But I thank you for your criticism. I know it must be hard trying not to get distracted from all of the "OOO PRETTY" of OS X.
I thank your criticism, but this did not work. I could not get it to mount or even browse the share.
I had my server setup EXACTLY like many of the examples on the web(server and client). It simply would not budge.
(disclaimer: I'm a Gentoo person)
/etc/fstab on OS X!?) but to no avail. We simply could not get it to work. The next was that she wanted to be able to view videos on the net (using Firefox -- she got annoyed with Safari quite quickly). For some reason we had more problems than any other OS I've dealt with. We had to use the MediaPlayerConnectivity plugin, which worked fine on my system. For some reason it would not detect VLC on OS X. Which was a pain.
:-)
A few months ago my girlfriend was looking at buying a computer. Me always wanting to get in on a Mac, made the suggestion of buying a Mac Mini. She needed something basic for school so she wasn't hogging my system (I do web design/development for a living). The Mac Mini seemed to fit the bill quite nicely.
The first thing we tried to get working was a network share (NFS) so we could share documents and media. No matter what I did, I could not get an NFS share to mount on her system. I tried everything (BTW, who's idea was it to get rid of
Anywho.. my point. OS X is okay for a lot of people. But I have found that some of the very easily accomplished tasks (such as setting up NFS or watching video's on the net) seem to be a pain in the rear. In the end we dual-booted it with Gentoo (w/XFCE and lightweight apps) to make life easier. NFS? No problem. Add portmap to the default runlevel and add the line to fstab. MediaPlayerConnectivity and VLC? Worked right out of the box.
And that be my tale of my adventures with OS X.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean there... Do you mean a disc that is basically an image of an install? (Like I know that Sony offers with it's Vaio line) What I described was an official Windows XP Pro install CD that I had "slipstreamed."
:-D
If you are thinking in terms of an image, you can indeed create a similar disc(usually on a DVD) using off-the-shelf software. I'm not sure of any free software, but there is a lot of commercial software. Just try a Google search for "Windows Restore Disc"
Or are you asking of just a single download that you can download to update the entire system? If so, not that I am aware of. That is what the service packs are designed to do. So my suggestion is to download the SP2 "offline install" then perform whatever windows updates are still remaining... Which will be a few. To my knowledge SP3 for XP is said to be coming out in 2008.
Or am I completely missing the point again?
Instead of starting a flamewar like the other comment to your post, I will actually try to include some information.
:-)
I maintain a custom XP Pro disc. I use nLite to apply these custom changes. I purchased XP Pro w/SP2 at one point for a friends computer that I built. The only options that are not pre-set on the custom disc is the serial number that I force new computer users to buy because I'm not a large advocate of piracy (I, personally, use Gentoo Linux in my home). I update the disc every so often (usually once a month) to apply new Windows Updates, etc. I use the RyanVM's XP post SP2 update pack.
Regardless, projects should not depend on and assume you have it. Which was the point I was trying to make. Try reading, fucktard.
Lately people (aka: script kiddies) seem to be losing the distinction between what is a language, and what is a framework. I cannot remember the last time I downloaded a PHP script and it required PEAR. I absolutely despise PEAR, and all other frameworks that really don't seem to have a place.
Over the past 5 years or so (I develop websites for a living) I've developed a framework-style setup that I use for all new projects. Most sites don't share the same code as I develop project-specific. But the structure is the same, and in most cases I could grab a pile of files from one site and plop them in the next and it would work.
Use the tool as it is meant to be used. PHP is a language. A framework is a framework. Please don't compare them on the same level.
It would be a damn shame if development on it were halted because of silly patents.
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Step 1: Watch the South Park episode of "Make Love, Not Warcraft"
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To my knowledge, my connection runs to the station here, then to Regina, SK. I live in Moose Jaw. I've never had any drag or downtime since I moved into my latest apartment. I've only been here about 7 months now, though. Still, so far it's been great! :-)
Anywho... just my input.
Besides... This discussion is about people installing third-party applications on their phone. Initially I simply stated that the OpenMoko would be much better supported in that aspect. Installing unsupported "hacked" applications onto the iPhone may void your warranty. And whenever you do a software update on it, it apparently will lose all of your hard work in trying to install things on it. The other option would be to not install the updates, but then we'd have another WindowsXP (pre-SP1) on our hands.
As stated in other post:
Damn you fan-boys piss me off. You bash anything you don't understand, or apparently don't care to understand. Do some research and save the world the hassle of dealing with asshats like you.