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New Version of Gmail Being Tested
Keith writes "Gmail was launched on April 1, 2004, and has revolutionized the way many of us use email. The interface has remained largely untouched since it launched, but get ready, it's soon to undergo a change in what they describe as a 'New Version'. Only a select few people have access to use the new interface — mainly employees and trusted people outside the company called 'Trusted Testers'. From the ZDNet blog entry: 'Google lets every-day users who are fluent in both English and another language translate small snippets of English text into the language of their choice. This is how they can offer services in several languages without spending a dime on professional translators. Unfortunately, exposing sensitive information in this manner makes it hard to keep a secret. One of my readers, who wishes to remain anonymous, stumbled across an interesting snippet of text (which I confirmed exists) spilling the beans on a new version of Gmail that is either currently being tested, or about to be released to testing in short order.'"
Oooh! Oooh! Let's hope it has Flash ads!
-Stephen
The interface has remained largely untouched since it launched, but get ready, it's soon to undergo a change in what they describe as a 'New Version'.
Does that mean they're going to rename the existing version "O.G. Mail?"
The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
So, on the basis of 2 words in a translation request, there is a whole new version of Gmail coming out ?
How the hell did this get to be news ?
This truly is the bottom of the barrel.
I don't get it. Why do most places feel they need to change the way something looks or feels? Microsoft did this with Hotmail. You use a new style that is confusing to the users that want things to just stay the same. I am all for it but I wish they would have the option to go back to the old version when it is released. Some people just don't like change.
The greatest revenge in life is massive success.
If your theory is different from practice, then your theory is wrong.
Someone at Google has too much time on their hands. I wouldn't trust Google Translate for everything... it looks like they've fixed it now, but as recently as a week ago, when you searched for the Russian form of Ivan the Terrible's name, Google would translate it into English as "Abraham Lincoln".
Why use POP when you can use IMAP? As long as you can backup your messages on your local computers, I don't see any benefit of using POP over IMAP.
Cat got your tongue? (something important seems to be missing from your comment ... like the body or the subject!)
I tried submitting this to Slashdot but it wasn't accepted. It did get picked up on the InsideGoogle blog. They have some photos and discussion.
"without spending a dime on professional translators"
Why do people do stuff for Google for free? What do they get out of it?
Okay, I understand quoting things from articles or blogs in the Summary. But quoting the whole article?
seems to be a lot of mystery and intrigue around what is probably going to be minor cosmetic changes.
Are we all so enamored of googles many accomplishments that a site redesign becomes major news?
I don't think anyone was that concerned when yahoo and hotmail redid their sites...of course, they just made them more annoying.
Having said that, it will probably be that this rumored site redesign is when Google starts rolling out their sinister "Phase II"
Hopefully I didn't put any [] around my words.
I'm a nerd, It's news to me, it matters.
http://www.google.com/intl/xx-piglatin/
Google will be doing all sorts of user study testing on Monday. These tests will last one hour and will involve both verbal and mouse movement feedback. I was wondering what this would be for, and I am now assuming that it could be to test the usability of a new gmail interface.....
For what it's worth, Google is stopping to call it GMail.
All of the icons were changed over the past few days to say "Google Mail" instead of GMail with little fanfare. Not sure if this is any indication of things to come, or simply a branding effort coming from the top-down. Guess we'll have to wait and see...
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And they can't afford professional translators? If it was just random bits and pieces of no consequence then I might say fair enough - but this is content for their primary services. We aren't talking millions of dollars to translate a few hundred words here or anything - seems very odd.
So this will be a beta of the new version of a service that's still in beta?
I wonder how many years more it'll take for gmail to lose the "beta" designation.
maybe you missed the big, bold "Translate Phrase for Gmail UI" at the top of the image?
or maybe u missed the "Link that users can click on if they are part of the trusted testers program to go to the newer UI." that is near the bottom?
+1 irony for subject title this was posted under... "nothing to see here"
sigs... don't talk to me about sigs....
If not, not worth my time.
All your email are belong to us.
Let the new interface have "unthread" and the ability to turn threading off. Please, please, please....
What are they distracting us from? Does Google really need human help to translate into Pig Latin. Iay ont'day inkthay osay. This sounds too much to me like an "accidentally on purpose" leak. Either they want us to know about it to create some free buzz, or it's sleight of hand to distract us from something else they're doing. Either way, there is probably a new something on the way. It just may not be Google Mail.
Mal-2
How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
the new features seem useless from what I read.
I bet you use hotmail... Anyway -- if Google didn't provide their GB of storage, you would still be ecstatic if Microsoft upped hotmail to 25 megs... so in that sense, yes it has revolutionized email... Then there are a slew of other features that you obviously either don't know about, or have overlooked. Instant messaging Integration blurs the lines between the two forms of communication. Again, for those who use it, it's changed how they use Email.
Even if there is a new version coming, this is the least reliable source of information about it. I mean, for Pete's sake, pig latin? We're going to trust that Google really needs this translated into pig latin in order to make it accessible to users?
By the way there's a giant that's been unearthed in Cardiff, NY. It looks to be proof that giants once roamed the Earth and maybe still do. Check it out. It's true for sure.
Yeah, I'm as old as my UID would suggest.
Quote: "... exposing sensitive information in this manner makes it hard to keep a secret."
Uh.... just where did you get the idea that any of your other plain text is a "secret"??? Did you even READ the terms of use notice???
Talk about a non-issue...
Here comes 7 more words for ya. At least it has a possible new feature, this time. (Breaking news! Now with 350% more proof!)
"Why do people do stuff for Google for free?"
Why do people help the RIAA/MPAA/Microsoft by downloading free stuff?
"What do they get out of it?"
The adoration of millions.
Also to add to all the comments of speculative nature of this article. One more. It is translation for the words "new version" "Pig Latin" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_Latin I mean Pig Latin ffs. Now if it is meant to top secret I am sure there are not hundreds of thousands of English to Pig Latin translators for Google...........
What did I ever do to deserve that. I know- it was downloading all that pr0n off of USENET in 1995. Personally I don't like the new interface.
I just checked and evidently I'm no longer trusted. Thank God. Who knows what vulnerabilities might be lurking in that new version.
That means.. it's going from beta to RC ? :-P
Very speculative article....
GMail 2.0! Now with less Evil!!
I don't think so. My Gmail still says Gmail everywhere... unless you're in Germany; wasn't there some trademark on Gmail already?
What I despise is this constant belief that newer interfaces are better and that change is always good. The best interface is the one you're most efficient in using, and that's usually the one you know best. Sad to see Google taking off after Microsoft in this race. Hope they'll let keep the "classic" interface for as long as we want it.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Too bad all that anger does nothing but alienate people. You might have friends, who would help you bleed off the anger. Loneliness is a vicious cycle.
Try hugging your email server. Maybe that'll help.
Hidden messages from the Vatican in message IDs?
I have to say that during the time a year or so back when I used Gmail a lot I always found the interface kind of irritating.
Every time I wanted to add a new Label and corresponding Filter it seemed like I had to trial and error because the process was less than obvious. And I don't care for the way that threads are collapsed, making it difficult to find one message out of the ten or twelve in a conversation.
I guess it just felt like everything took two or three or four more clicks than it should have. That may be a subjective assessment, but I can't see using Gmail as my primary e-mail client.
Three Squirrels
Hopefully they fix broken signatures when responding to email. Now it places my signature to the very bottom of the email - below the quoted text I am responding to. I am tired of cutting and pasting my sig every time I respond to an email.
word.
You see, Keith and I had a side bet, on the dumbest possible article that could make the front page of slashdot.
I didn't think Keith could get this bit of non-news on the FP, but he succeeded.
Congratulations, you win!
gmail rocks i really hope they don't screw it up, only free email that can forward and/or do POP & STMP
Mo
"revolutionized the way many of us use email"
It's just a nice webmail system - webmail has been around for years before gmail. I use gmail, I like gmail, but what exactly did it revolutionize?
sic transit gloria mundi
Maybe they can finally get rid of the 'beta' in the logo :)?
Overall, I think Google has a hit with their latest offerings. Google desktop for instance is a perfect addition to indexing and searching 65k+ Outlook emails (work still uses Outlook). Similar to Lookout, but doesnt crash Outlook. Google Documents has greatly improved and is perfect for sharing documents across PCs. Installing Microsoft office or OpenOffice is really optional now. While Gmail's interface isn't perfect, they have been making small updates throughout the months. I still think it beats Hotmail, Yahoo, etc...
Oh dear.
Wake me up when Gmail supports IMAP.
Let me click one button and sort by sender, subject, size, etc. That's the #1 reason I don't use Gmail.
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
Apart from a little thing I like to call "User interface that doesn't irritate the living fuck out of me." And almost instant searching of all my email.
I know this is complete bullshit. Just because some people in the "community" provided some translations does not mean Google didn't pay for professional translators and proof-readers.
I work at Google. I'm not confirming or denying the existence of a new version of gmail. I am, however, refuting the above quoted statement.
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Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Your resume can state that you do volunteer work for Google in their translations department.
Windows Live Mail does it too.
Don't be apathetic. Procrastinate!
I was able to get my hands on a screen shot of the new version of Gmail, known as the "New Sweetness" internally here at Google, looks pretty nice from the screen shots I've seen, with the most notable change being the preview pane, making it look a bit more like Outlook. Can't wait.
Except that it's the best mail UI ever devised. I have actually switched from my "real" mail client to using gmail exclusively. I love the "keep everything in one folder, tag it and search" approach. Much better than dozens of folders with filters. I love how threaded mails are displayed; I always know what people are replying to. Oh, and search is fast.
Furthermore, they don't try to create a "real" app inside the browser, instead concentrating on making an awesome "web app." Yahoo recreates a "real" application inside the browser. So you've got tons of buttons and drag and drop and folders and all that crap, all of which makes the application slow, and doesn't really help you get your stuff done. Google has the right idea: It's a browser, make it a great web app, not a shitty copy of a "real" app.
Pray tell, what is so shitty about the current gmail UI?
No it doesn't, but it used to. Microsoft keep improving it you know :)
Erik Dalén
The fact that they use volunteers as translators is not true, at least not entirely. My company (translation company) works for Google on a regular basis, and of course we get paid for our work, issue invoices to them, etc, just like any other customer.
Does anyone expect Google to not release a new version?
Or to not test or translate it before it does?
Even assuming this Pig Latin based intelligence gathering has merit, the information gained is only barely more sensational than that the sun will rise tomorrow.
Er, yes, otherwise how are you going to trim the portion of the quoted email to just the relevant parts and respond in line?
Surely you're not one of those evil top-posters are you?
...the betatesting period is just over, and this is the final release...
If you were living in a box would you prefer to keep it that way and not make improvements (changes), even in the option was available to you? They are ready to make major improvements and you feel that is not necessary? Well consider this, they are still Beta as can be seen from the Gmail logo on every Gmail screen. If you don't like change to Beta software you should consider using something classified production ready software (you know, non Beta). Just a thought.
:)
Also just about everything in life changes eventually. If that is not for you then maybe you should consider not living.
Relax, don't take what I am saying to heart, I am just a slashdotter.
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Who the fuck still uses the word 'groovy'? Fucking hell, you really are one dumb fucking nigger.
I would pay money for IMAP, even if it meant doing the premium hosting option.
Is IMAP such a horrific resource hog?
Might as well refer to some kind of version control for messages...
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And it worked that way in Opera's mail client before Gmail existed.
So yes, there are 'real' mail clients that good.
We are Turing O-Machines. The Oracle is out there.
Google Analytics recently had a big upgrade and it's unbelievably better than the old version. Count on the new Gmail to be a real upgrade and better in every way than the old, and also to allow you to use the old version if you want, like Analytics does.
Google is definitely investing in mail service as a web application because that's where they show their ads. They wouldn't give everyone the options of POP3 and forwarding if they didn't expect to make a web mail interface that's light years better than even a local mail app. It's safe to expect a huge leap ahead for their webmail app, like the first gmail was when it came out.
While it's a neat app, they didn't really revolutionize anything. They just gave you a lot more space than you need and an AJAX interface. The only thing they revolutionized is how they collect data from your emails to better target you with ads.
BeauHD. Worst editor since kdawson.
Awesome - I've always wanted to be a professional "Swedish Chef" translator!
Pros:
a) Training is cheap, fun and available via NetFlix
b) I can finally tell my Mom that watching TV actually didn't rot my brain but got me a job instead!
Cons:
b) The Swedish Chef periphrastic subjunctive is a little tricky.
Well consider this, they are still Beta as can be seen from the Gmail logo on every Gmail screen. If you don't like change to Beta software you should consider using something classified production ready software (you know, non Beta)
Yeah, right. Google designated Gmail as a beta about like the Mars rovers were designed to last only three months. Either could have been miserable failures and still be claimed as successes. A failure by Google would have been just as disasterous for Google as would rover failures have been for NASA. It's called CYA.
Which non-Google-employee had the first Gmail account? Mine dates from April 12th 2004, thanks to a Google employee on a mailing list I'm on. Can anyone beat that?
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