Wow. I really didn't mean to or expect to get drawn into this kind of discussion. I guess I should not have mentioned anything about business installs in my first post... but I was trying to be clear that I was guessing about that.
My main, and should have been only point, was that I would gladly uninstall a few programs to save $150.
Holy crap, sorry man. Did you upgrade from XP or something? I've got to say after waiting a bit and researching all the problems I saw reported, it seemed most issues were with upgrades or people that had one of the previous updates fail (for whatever reason). So I went ahead with it. I did get some weird error saying automatic updates were broken a few hours later, but another reboot fixed it (I've since had an automatic update).
1.I've done this on my new Vaio. There are certainly most likely a few registry keys or whatever left over, but I certainly don't notice them. How the hell does that make me a troll?
2.Hate to break it to you, but you are the kind of mod that everyone here bitches about. DISAGREE != TROLL.
I wasn't talking about "my" IT guys. I was just trying to come up with a hypothetical situation. As for the math...
$150 * n (where n = the number of laptops)
$30 an hour * 5 hours = $150
= WAY longer than this operation should take but then he's underpaid, right? maybe not up to the task at that salary level?
So then, lets reverse that: $50 an hour * 3 hours = $150.
Now then, we see that you are clearly being ripped off. If the guy that earns $50 an hour takes three hours to uninstall a few programs... well, that's ridiculous.
To recap: Underpaid guy does the task in four hours or less = you save money. Overpaid (for this sort of thing) guy does the task in less than three hours = you save money. This is infinitely scalable. In fact, I would bet, since it really is just a few clicks (and waiting), you could easily do ten at a time. If n=10, "my" $50 an hour IT guy cost me $100 in labor, and I saved $1400 on my laptops. I'm pretty sure even Google does not pass out more than 10 laptops at any one office at a time. But even if it was 100, nothing I've said changes
That's a bit like saying "people who receive spam can just click Delete".
No, it's not. Spam is ongoing. I'm talking about a few program uninstalls that never come back. Agreed it should never be there in the first place... but then wouldn't my laptop cost more? Everything is a trade off. I personally would rather spend a half hour uninstalling things and spend $150 less. More money for beer.
"To uninstall a program, select it from the list and click "Uninstall""
Not really that big a deal... I guess for $150 VS a few clicks and reboots, I'd rather keep the cash. (I have a new Vaio and already did this) Yes, I know it is only $50 but I have no need for Vista Business either.
And if you are in a business buying a large volume of laptops (presumably the intended market?), wouldn't it still be more efficient to pay your IT guy to do the same?
Wouldn't that spawn a whole new level of arguing over who gets to hold the remote?
On a somewhat related tangent: living with my present girlfriend is the first time I've ever gone without any broadcast on purpose (we use the TV for DVDs only). It was a bit weird at first, but over a year later I mostly only miss The Daily Show... which I can sort of* get online anyway.
*I say sort of because their website seems to have been designed by one armed baboons. Yes I know it's in beta.
OK, hate to reply to myself, but wtf? I'm not saying this deserves a +5 insightful, but how the hell is it a troll? Come on mods, over-rated at worst. But I did not ask to be +5. Modding me troll for what is clearly not is just a shitty thing to do.
...getting in and out of sleep, especially for the laptops, appears to go smoother.
I have a brand new laptop and waking it from sleep is one of my biggest complaints. Certain things sometimes need manual intervention to wake up. Like my wireless network. This tends to get annoying.
Seriously, I have it downloaded already but I don't want to install until a prudent amount of time has passed. I am one of those that would prefer to let the brave early adopters report any serious flaws. Given that this is one of the more anticipated updates, will the time I need to wait be reduced as many rush to install?
A day? A week? Two?
Keeping in mind my only reason to install is annoyance with current Vista performance; I have no critical reason to update.
Thanks. I have a FZ series, but I'll check with them. Sales guy I spoke with at the time (~ six months ago) said not possible for any price. $12 is not an issue for the peace of mind of having the ability to do a fresh install. Hell, I might just do it anyway to get rid of some of the bloat it came with that does not seem to want to go away. (BSOD when I tried to uninstall Webroot spy sweeper)
Except I don't HAVE any restore media. Brand new Vaio and they refused to provide or sell me a backup copy of Vista like you used to get with XP. Instead they now have an integrated 'backup/restore' partition that supposedly you can use to recover to a particular saved point and time with. Oh, and it reduced my HD space by almost half. Fresh out of the box I have 46GB available on a 100GB drive.
Granted it does seem somewhat useful; I was able to roll back an instillation when a vpn client gave me a BSOD. However, what am I supposed to do if I CAN'T BOOT TO WINDOWS?
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Where did you get the title to my thesis?
My main, and should have been only point, was that I would gladly uninstall a few programs to save $150.
Hope you get it working...
1.I've done this on my new Vaio. There are certainly most likely a few registry keys or whatever left over, but I certainly don't notice them. How the hell does that make me a troll?
2.Hate to break it to you, but you are the kind of mod that everyone here bitches about. DISAGREE != TROLL.
Please get over yourself.
$150 * n (where n = the number of laptops)
$30 an hour * 5 hours = $150
= WAY longer than this operation should take but then he's underpaid, right? maybe not up to the task at that salary level?
So then, lets reverse that: $50 an hour * 3 hours = $150.
Now then, we see that you are clearly being ripped off. If the guy that earns $50 an hour takes three hours to uninstall a few programs... well, that's ridiculous.
To recap:
Underpaid guy does the task in four hours or less = you save money.
Overpaid (for this sort of thing) guy does the task in less than three hours = you save money.
This is infinitely scalable. In fact, I would bet, since it really is just a few clicks (and waiting), you could easily do ten at a time. If n=10, "my" $50 an hour IT guy cost me $100 in labor, and I saved $1400 on my laptops. I'm pretty sure even Google does not pass out more than 10 laptops at any one office at a time. But even if it was 100, nothing I've said changes
Is my basic math OK?
Not really that big a deal... I guess for $150 VS a few clicks and reboots, I'd rather keep the cash. (I have a new Vaio and already did this) Yes, I know it is only $50 but I have no need for Vista Business either.
And if you are in a business buying a large volume of laptops (presumably the intended market?), wouldn't it still be more efficient to pay your IT guy to do the same?
Did you mean to reply to me or the GP? As I said, I'd never heard of treble damages; I'm certainly not qualified to debate them. :)
I'd never heard of treble damages.
I misread that as Tribbles
Many seem to be unaware that it was once illegal not to grow hemp in these here united states.
Pardon me, but I think you might want to do some more reading on the subject before saying things like that.
On a somewhat related tangent: living with my present girlfriend is the first time I've ever gone without any broadcast on purpose (we use the TV for DVDs only). It was a bit weird at first, but over a year later I mostly only miss The Daily Show... which I can sort of* get online anyway.
*I say sort of because their website seems to have been designed by one armed baboons. Yes I know it's in beta.
This story has been up for over four minutes and no comments about revolutionizing the pr0n industry?
OK, hate to reply to myself, but wtf? I'm not saying this deserves a +5 insightful, but how the hell is it a troll? Come on mods, over-rated at worst. But I did not ask to be +5. Modding me troll for what is clearly not is just a shitty thing to do.
As for the mods, I can't help you there. I might have picked 'interesting' myself, but I may be biased.
Thanks, but won't we all be running our holographic computers while riding in our flying cars before Duke Nukem Forever is released?
A day? A week? Two?
Keeping in mind my only reason to install is annoyance with current Vista performance; I have no critical reason to update.
Thanks. I have a FZ series, but I'll check with them. Sales guy I spoke with at the time (~ six months ago) said not possible for any price. $12 is not an issue for the peace of mind of having the ability to do a fresh install. Hell, I might just do it anyway to get rid of some of the bloat it came with that does not seem to want to go away. (BSOD when I tried to uninstall Webroot spy sweeper)
Bill? is that you?
Granted it does seem somewhat useful; I was able to roll back an instillation when a vpn client gave me a BSOD. However, what am I supposed to do if I CAN'T BOOT TO WINDOWS?
The Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't need to read slashdot to know what's posted here. He is all knowing and grants wishes with his noodley appendage as he sees fit.