M$ employees acting with authorization have been and continue to distribute Linux to the tune of ~300 servers from ~50 distros within their "Linux" lab.. They did it for purposes of profit, and improving windows capability and performance.
As a result, M$ has agreed to accept GPL license and waived any rights to assert ANY of their Patents against fellow Linux developers/distributes/users. Note: A corporation can't act a single entity with respect to 3rd party copyrights, which includes Linux & rights granter by GPL license, however they're 100% liable for official acts of their employees (Doctrine of Respondeat superior).
What kind of magical candy-coated crack are you on? Quoth:
You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program's source code as you receive it, in any medium, provided that you conspicuously and appropriately publish on each copy an appropriate copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty; keep intact all the notices that refer to this License and to the absence of any warranty; and give any other recipients of the Program a copy of this License along with the Program.
This is assuming that the Linux and other software installs internally used aren't being modified. If they are, it still doesn't matter. If I modify a GPL program and use it personally (internally), I'm under no obligation to release either source or object code. If Microsoft modifies it and uses it internally, they're under no obligation to release any of it--because it's not being published outside of itself, outside of its own organization. Doctrine of Respondeat doesn't even factor into the discussion here, and might I congratulate you for attempting to snow other users.
But you fail. Companies all over the world use Linux systems every day. They "distribute" them internally, whether it's as simple as mailing a CD across the country or emailing an updated patch to Apache to their server farm. That doesn't make the code they write need to be released unless they publicly release patched object code.
I'll take "parent poster has recto-cranial inversion problems" for $500, Alex.
I heard a lot of Windows code was ripped off from BSD.
I heard that monkeys fly on fairy wings.
Here's what happened (I know a guy who was on the NT/2000 development team, and worked on the TCP/IP stack). Early on in the life of the NT project, Microsoft's networking software ran over a system called Netbeui (Netbios is the API for Netbeui). Microsoft realized that TCP/IP was kicking the holy hell out of other networking solutions (Blue Glue...ew...). So they resolved to put a TCP/IP stack into NT.
Problem was, they didn't have a lot of time. So they licensed a TCP/IP stack (that used BSD code) from a company that, if my memory serves me right, was called Spider Systems. Their TCP/IP stack was decent, but ran in an environment called STREAMS. Microsoft licensed the stack and STREAMS and ported them to Windows.
The Spider stack wasn't very good. It relied upon STREAMS, which was kludgey and ugly and a heavyweight. The only version of NT to use it was NT 3. By NT 3.5 (the second version of NT, as it happened), it had been replaced by a Microsoft-written one. I'm not saying that the TCP/IP stack in modern Windows OSes, such as XP, is completely, 100% free of all BSD code. I mean, hell, some things are just stupid to do twice (the checksum calculation, for example), and if you did rewrite it it'd look almost exactly the same. Identical.
Now, some of the utilities--ftp, rcp, rsh--remained BSD-derived for quite a long time. But here's the thing--and if you had any clue as to what you were talking about, you'd have known this--it was entirely legal. As long as attribution is given, BSD code can be used for any purpose--and I remember that, in 3.51 at least, those utilities had the requisite "regents of University of California" text in it.
Yes, Microsoft has used BSD-derived code in the past. That doesn't make it "ripped off." That's the entire point of BSD.
College students (And I say this because I am one) are not "ordinary citizens." Anything that a figure of authority does is wrong, because that is all counter-cultural and...stuff...
I don't think I'd trust most college students to judge whether a cop's actions are right or not. You know...just ignore all the underage drinking and the inherent hypocrisy that that tends to engender.
(This is half in jest, half serious. Mod as appropriate.)
Some friends and I might be interested in starting up that sort of thing here (which may not work as well, I live in an extremely rural area of the country). Do the other FreeGeek groups have any interest in helping out new groups?
Foulmouthed? Sure. Bigoted? Nah. He overstates the "technical difficulties" of running a gay-themed discussion site, which is no more difficult than any other site but is "different" because of its subject matter, and followed it up with complaints about popups from a pornographic site at work and expected to be given a pass because he's gay.
One of my best friends is gay and I've gotten into fistfights with people who were giving him trouble for it; I'm good friends with a lesbian couple and a few who are obviously trying to figure out exactly what the hell they are (hey, it's college). Bigotry ain't exactly the case here, sorry.
Actually, transsexuals too are welcome on gaybuntu. As are straights by the way.
Jews were welcome in Nazi Germany too. </godwin>
Whooo on you! How dare you support Kubuntu! Ubuntu is supposed to be a Linux distribution, not a platform to push the agenda for a particular desktop. After all we don't have a FvwmBuntu, a FluxboxBuntu or a TwmBuntu either!
Sigh. Aaaanyone who disagrees is a bigot. Right, right. Notice that you ignored the responses to your "gay technical issues." They're still bigots when your points are knocked down? Or is that when they're especially bigots?
If this site bothers you so much, then please do fricking ignore it. It doesn't take anything away from you. And with your attitude, we'd rather not have you there anyways. If it bothers you, the small sigvertisement wasn't meant for you.
Hmm, let's take a look-see...
Gaybuntu is not about segregation, str8, bi & gay are all welcome here-
The English language is sobbing in the corner, and we're only a sentence in. Goddamn.
just leave your attitude at the door!
(Because "oh, we're gay! We're gay! We're gay and proud!" is an "attitude" as well, but that is a conveniently ignored truth. And the parent poster reeks of that.)...Fisking this hurts my brain. It's not worth it.
But I loved the bigot remark (I could flip this discussion on its head in a single sentence, but I prefer to keep my private life private, away from emo-blogs and the Internet in general), and the fact that you couldn't come back again when your complaints that your porn site popped up on your screen at work were shot down made me laugh.
Such a site is an attempt (amongst others) to bring such people together.
I call bullshit. I would equally call bullshit upon Whitebuntu, Blackbuntu, Straightbuntu, Transsexualbuntu, and whatever else someone wants to come up with. Not that I'm exactly a fan of the Ubuntu project itself (I like my Kubuntu, but not enough to use it on a daily basis anymore, and the people in the project piss me off), but last I checked, Ubuntu's thing is bringing people together, not such people. So why are you taking off on their name and project?...Right, thought not.
Also, it may help with technical issues unique to gay people and sites. For example, if you run a gay matchmaking site, you may face unique confidentiality issues due to the need of protecting identities of those wanting to take part in the site, but "still in the closet".
Bullshit again. It's no different from me keeping privacy records on customers, or the identity protection on those billion-and-one camsites on the Internet.
Or you may be particularly annoyed at KDE's tendency to yank you to the desktop where a popup just happened (imagine what happens while gayromeo just pops up its "you've been disconnected from the site due to inactivity" window while you showed a coworker some java code in another window...
Bullshit just reached waist level. Here's a novel solution. Don't surf pornographic sites when at work. Le fucking gasp.
These aren't "gay-specific" technical issues, and you know it. I don't really care one way or the other what you do, but I really hate bullshitters.
Agreed entirely. It's just not that bloody important when it's related to a Linux distribution. Go rah-rah-protest in Washington or $YOUR_CAPITAL, I don't care. But don't bother me with it.
I've always been a fan of FFVIII. My first FF game was when I was about six, playing FF1 on my brand spankin' new Nintendo. I beat it around the time I was 8, by which time I was getting into the SNES (FF6...FF3...whatever it happens to be this week). Knew about the others (I was on the intarwebs, back before the trucks clogged all the tubes) in Japanese, couldn't play them.
Then I got a Playstation, and FFVII.
It was "meh." The storyline was bland and pretty uninteresting, even then; I've played through it a few times since then and found it still "meh." It hasn't aged well, in story or in gameplay.
FFVIII was the first game I ever bought with my own money from working, and I slapped that thing straight into my PSX when I got it. It blew me away, and its story is still the best, I think, of all the 3D Final Fantasy games. (FFIX gets points for being one big nostalgia trip.) FFVIII was the first one to tell a more mature story. It was the first one where Square's English translators didn't entirely bone the whole thing up. This may sound mildly puerile, but they'd taken the gloves off, at least to an extent. In earlier games, hell, the main character had never told $LOVE_INTEREST "I love you," or even "I like you." The earlier games felt a bit prudish in that regard.
Other ways the FFVIII story came out more mature than those that preceded and succeeded it...take Raijin and Fujin, for example. Seifer's gone off the deep end, and they're tired of it. So they leave. They don't try to change his mind, they know they can't. They don't fight him. They just go their own separate way. In previous games, the "villain" would have gone all power-trippy and OMFGBLAAAASTED them or the like. Instead, they just go. It shows, to me at least, a level of maturity that the series hasn't returned to since. (In FFX, Tidus whines like a girl whenever something doesn't go his way. How lame is that?)
Even if there is an afterlife, you don't take consciousness (self) with you in a sense and the person you are now and will be until your death will never know or be able to share that knowledge with any living person.
How do you know?
"There is no conclusive evidence of life after death. But there is no evidence of any sort against it. Soon enough you will know. So why fret about it?" - Robert Heinlein
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I meant in a somewhat sane society. Obviously. =P Russia...does not exactly qualify.
Patents, correct. Trademarks, copyrights, and IP, no. Because creators should be given rights to their work.
And people wonder why socialism will implode.
The artist can choose not to have their songs played on the radio. And there's nothing a broadcaster can do about that.
M$ employees acting with authorization have been and continue to distribute Linux to the tune of ~300 servers from ~50 distros within their "Linux" lab.. They did it for purposes of profit, and improving windows capability and performance.
As a result, M$ has agreed to accept GPL license and waived any rights to assert ANY of their Patents against fellow Linux developers/distributes/users. Note: A corporation can't act a single entity with respect to 3rd party copyrights, which includes Linux & rights granter by GPL license, however they're 100% liable for official acts of their employees (Doctrine of Respondeat superior).
What kind of magical candy-coated crack are you on? Quoth:
You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program's
source code as you receive it, in any medium, provided that you
conspicuously and appropriately publish on each copy an appropriate
copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty; keep intact all the
notices that refer to this License and to the absence of any warranty;
and give any other recipients of the Program a copy of this License
along with the Program.
This is assuming that the Linux and other software installs internally used aren't being modified. If they are, it still doesn't matter. If I modify a GPL program and use it personally (internally), I'm under no obligation to release either source or object code. If Microsoft modifies it and uses it internally, they're under no obligation to release any of it--because it's not being published outside of itself, outside of its own organization. Doctrine of Respondeat doesn't even factor into the discussion here, and might I congratulate you for attempting to snow other users.
But you fail. Companies all over the world use Linux systems every day. They "distribute" them internally, whether it's as simple as mailing a CD across the country or emailing an updated patch to Apache to their server farm. That doesn't make the code they write need to be released unless they publicly release patched object code.
I'll take "parent poster has recto-cranial inversion problems" for $500, Alex.
I heard a lot of Windows code was ripped off from BSD.
I heard that monkeys fly on fairy wings.
Here's what happened (I know a guy who was on the NT/2000 development team, and worked on the TCP/IP stack). Early on in the life of the NT project, Microsoft's networking software ran over a system called Netbeui (Netbios is the API for Netbeui). Microsoft realized that TCP/IP was kicking the holy hell out of other networking solutions (Blue Glue...ew...). So they resolved to put a TCP/IP stack into NT.
Problem was, they didn't have a lot of time. So they licensed a TCP/IP stack (that used BSD code) from a company that, if my memory serves me right, was called Spider Systems. Their TCP/IP stack was decent, but ran in an environment called STREAMS. Microsoft licensed the stack and STREAMS and ported them to Windows.
The Spider stack wasn't very good. It relied upon STREAMS, which was kludgey and ugly and a heavyweight. The only version of NT to use it was NT 3. By NT 3.5 (the second version of NT, as it happened), it had been replaced by a Microsoft-written one. I'm not saying that the TCP/IP stack in modern Windows OSes, such as XP, is completely, 100% free of all BSD code. I mean, hell, some things are just stupid to do twice (the checksum calculation, for example), and if you did rewrite it it'd look almost exactly the same. Identical.
Now, some of the utilities--ftp, rcp, rsh--remained BSD-derived for quite a long time. But here's the thing--and if you had any clue as to what you were talking about, you'd have known this--it was entirely legal. As long as attribution is given, BSD code can be used for any purpose--and I remember that, in 3.51 at least, those utilities had the requisite "regents of University of California" text in it.
Yes, Microsoft has used BSD-derived code in the past. That doesn't make it "ripped off." That's the entire point of BSD.
Mod parent -1 Clueless.
College students (And I say this because I am one) are not "ordinary citizens." Anything that a figure of authority does is wrong, because that is all counter-cultural and...stuff...
I don't think I'd trust most college students to judge whether a cop's actions are right or not. You know...just ignore all the underage drinking and the inherent hypocrisy that that tends to engender.
(This is half in jest, half serious. Mod as appropriate.)
Some friends and I might be interested in starting up that sort of thing here (which may not work as well, I live in an extremely rural area of the country). Do the other FreeGeek groups have any interest in helping out new groups?
Foulmouthed? Sure. Bigoted? Nah. He overstates the "technical difficulties" of running a gay-themed discussion site, which is no more difficult than any other site but is "different" because of its subject matter, and followed it up with complaints about popups from a pornographic site at work and expected to be given a pass because he's gay.
One of my best friends is gay and I've gotten into fistfights with people who were giving him trouble for it; I'm good friends with a lesbian couple and a few who are obviously trying to figure out exactly what the hell they are (hey, it's college). Bigotry ain't exactly the case here, sorry.
Call up the ACLU and mount an extremely half-assed campaign to give reason for lawsuit, then!
(I'm being serious.)
You could at least imagine a halfway cool one. The characters who saved FFX were already dead.
Actually, transsexuals too are welcome on gaybuntu. As are straights by the way.
...Fisking this hurts my brain. It's not worth it.
Jews were welcome in Nazi Germany too. </godwin>
Whooo on you! How dare you support Kubuntu! Ubuntu is supposed to be a Linux distribution, not a platform to push the agenda for a particular desktop. After all we don't have a FvwmBuntu, a FluxboxBuntu or a TwmBuntu either!
Fluxbuntu
twm:
sudo apt-get install twm
And I really hate bigots.
Sigh. Aaaanyone who disagrees is a bigot. Right, right. Notice that you ignored the responses to your "gay technical issues." They're still bigots when your points are knocked down? Or is that when they're especially bigots?
If this site bothers you so much, then please do fricking ignore it. It doesn't take anything away from you. And with your attitude, we'd rather not have you there anyways. If it bothers you, the small sigvertisement wasn't meant for you.
Hmm, let's take a look-see...
Gaybuntu is not about segregation, str8, bi & gay are all welcome here-
The English language is sobbing in the corner, and we're only a sentence in. Goddamn.
just leave your attitude at the door!
(Because "oh, we're gay! We're gay! We're gay and proud!" is an "attitude" as well, but that is a conveniently ignored truth. And the parent poster reeks of that.)
But I loved the bigot remark (I could flip this discussion on its head in a single sentence, but I prefer to keep my private life private, away from emo-blogs and the Internet in general), and the fact that you couldn't come back again when your complaints that your porn site popped up on your screen at work were shot down made me laugh.
I laughed.
Therefore, you are wrong.
Such a site is an attempt (amongst others) to bring such people together.
...Right, thought not.
I call bullshit. I would equally call bullshit upon Whitebuntu, Blackbuntu, Straightbuntu, Transsexualbuntu, and whatever else someone wants to come up with. Not that I'm exactly a fan of the Ubuntu project itself (I like my Kubuntu, but not enough to use it on a daily basis anymore, and the people in the project piss me off), but last I checked, Ubuntu's thing is bringing people together, not such people. So why are you taking off on their name and project?
Also, it may help with technical issues unique to gay people and sites. For example, if you run a gay matchmaking site, you may face unique confidentiality issues due to the need of protecting identities of those wanting to take part in the site, but "still in the closet".
Bullshit again. It's no different from me keeping privacy records on customers, or the identity protection on those billion-and-one camsites on the Internet.
Or you may be particularly annoyed at KDE's tendency to yank you to the desktop where a popup just happened (imagine what happens while gayromeo just pops up its "you've been disconnected from the site due to inactivity" window while you showed a coworker some java code in another window...
Bullshit just reached waist level. Here's a novel solution. Don't surf pornographic sites when at work. Le fucking gasp.
These aren't "gay-specific" technical issues, and you know it. I don't really care one way or the other what you do, but I really hate bullshitters.
Agreed entirely. It's just not that bloody important when it's related to a Linux distribution. Go rah-rah-protest in Washington or $YOUR_CAPITAL, I don't care. But don't bother me with it.
I pronounce it "Oo-bun-too". Because the other way sounds stupid.
Fortunately, I don't use Ubuntu anymore...Kubuntu ftw.
Ow. Ow damn. Ow damn hell.
That stings.
Hiring? =)
I've always been a fan of FFVIII. My first FF game was when I was about six, playing FF1 on my brand spankin' new Nintendo. I beat it around the time I was 8, by which time I was getting into the SNES (FF6...FF3...whatever it happens to be this week). Knew about the others (I was on the intarwebs, back before the trucks clogged all the tubes) in Japanese, couldn't play them.
Then I got a Playstation, and FFVII.
It was "meh." The storyline was bland and pretty uninteresting, even then; I've played through it a few times since then and found it still "meh." It hasn't aged well, in story or in gameplay.
FFVIII was the first game I ever bought with my own money from working, and I slapped that thing straight into my PSX when I got it. It blew me away, and its story is still the best, I think, of all the 3D Final Fantasy games. (FFIX gets points for being one big nostalgia trip.) FFVIII was the first one to tell a more mature story. It was the first one where Square's English translators didn't entirely bone the whole thing up. This may sound mildly puerile, but they'd taken the gloves off, at least to an extent. In earlier games, hell, the main character had never told $LOVE_INTEREST "I love you," or even "I like you." The earlier games felt a bit prudish in that regard.
Other ways the FFVIII story came out more mature than those that preceded and succeeded it...take Raijin and Fujin, for example. Seifer's gone off the deep end, and they're tired of it. So they leave. They don't try to change his mind, they know they can't. They don't fight him. They just go their own separate way. In previous games, the "villain" would have gone all power-trippy and OMFGBLAAAASTED them or the like. Instead, they just go. It shows, to me at least, a level of maturity that the series hasn't returned to since. (In FFX, Tidus whines like a girl whenever something doesn't go his way. How lame is that?)
-Ed
I'll confess to my newbism. Was olduser logged in?
Is that where my ham sandwiches have been going?
This guy deserves the mod points than me (at least up until his sig, but nobody's perfect). I agree with him entirely. (Cue the "AOL! AOL!" chants.)
Even if there is an afterlife, you don't take consciousness (self) with you in a sense and the person you are now and will be until your death will never know or be able to share that knowledge with any living person.
How do you know?
"There is no conclusive evidence of life after death. But there is no evidence of any sort against it. Soon enough you will know. So why fret about it?" - Robert Heinlein
But what shall the atheists call themselves? United Atheist Alliance! (That South Park episode was great...had to say it.)
Stalin...yeah. No human has a monopoly on being batshit crazy.