Because the stereotype is about Japanese and to a lesser extent Koreans, not Chinese speakers.
Mandarin Chinese has both sounds, and there's typically no difficulty differentiating them. It's a Japanese stereotype (based on the fact that in Japanese these two sounds are allophones) that has grown to be applied to speakers of other East Asian languages. It might be compounded by the existence of facetious Chinese transliterations of English words, such as yimier for email instead of the literal diànz yóujiàn, "electronic message".
Some dialects of Chinese have little to no erhua, the tendency to suffix words with an R sound, so they may have difficulty pronouncing an R sound syllable-finally, because their own speech never calls for it (compare Standard Mandarin nàr, "there", versus more Southern nàli). In addition, L is frequently used in transliterations in place of R syllable-initially, as in luqièstè for Rochester.
So it's not so much that these sounds are confused, but that they're just used in different contexts, and a Chinese speaker might conceivably have some difficulty with that. But again, this probably affects Chinese speakers less than Japanese speakers, who might find it difficult to differentiate between the sounds in the first place.
So no, he's not showing awareness of stereotypes, he's showing ignorance, as last I checked, it isn't the Japanese building the iPhones.
racist and ignorant.. an obvious combination and modded funny on slashdot no less. It's good to see where the priorities are and what the community supports.
Why is this even a story? Is there anywhere that Facebook actually enforces this policy? I've seen no evidence that facebook remotely cares about this. Several groups I belong to have people using business pages as personal accounts (Yes I'm sure your name is Division Marketing, nice to meet you) and trolls using clearly fake names (Rusty Mcfuckertrollson) and despite having been reported for months or nearly a year at this point, all the accounts are still permitted to spam these groups or harass members as the admin is absentee.
In fact I've rarely, if ever, seen facebook enforce a single policy./b/ used to have threads devoted to listing your troll accounts so that they could friend each other to appear more legit. A long time ago you used to be able to report with an explanation. Even explaining that, and pointing out 100 grouped accounts were all fake? a month later when someone started the thread again, all the same accounts showed up.
People who need gifts and things in games and whose friends have all blocked them started making fake accounts to play those games. I knew someone who had like 25 on their friends list, all with clearly fake names, all friended each other, and all with some cartoon picture as the profile picture. As far as I know they're all still there despite having been reported like 2 years ago.
If people in germany want to use fake names, just do it, facebook clearly doesn't care.
If you don't need to actually call out and talk with external people no. Or if you do it so infrequently that it's a non-issue no. Probably whole floors of workers could have their phones removed and perhaps a couple of "phone rooms" added to the floor, so that on the odd chance they had to call a landline out, they could have a quiet place to make the call, and numbers associated with it if they needed to give someone a number to call.
XP showed that people were happy keeping on OS for a very long time on their machines.
Windows 7 is working for a lot of people who are using it. They've got no real motivation as the home user to switch. It's still new, and most of them probably expect they could get the life of their machine out of it.
Windows 8 will be the skip version then Microsoft will come to their senses and gives us another regular version of windows next.
You need an Alien Registration Card, which is weird, because if you sign up via their android app you don't need one. If you have an android phone, try checking out their app there.
It's called Bugs http://www.bugs.co.kr/ but it's only available in Korean, and I'm not sure how you'd pay for it outside of Korea. At least through their website. With their android app, you can charge the fee directly to your phone.
But for the most part, just use bittorrent because since I stopped using emusic, I more or less stopped downloading music. The 3 or 4 songs I want to actually download a year haven't really necessitated my trying to find another acceptable service until recently.
I used to use Emusic for quite some time. Got quite a bit of indie music there..browsing wikipedia though looks like they sold out in 2010. I think I stopped using them late 2008 or early 2009.
Not allowing people to redownload tracks is just insulting. They were already raising prices just before I left, cutting subscription downloads by 20-30% or something like that, effectively raising the per track price.
Their prices are really high now. the top plan which gives 73 downloads a month was like $14.99 when I was using it a few years ago, now 31.99
Here in Korea, you get 40 downloads for about $5 a month. including a fair bit of western music, I think they've got 2.5-3 million tracks on their service.
This is exactly what I was going to say. Provide movies that can't be downloaded.
If you can buy it, 99.9999999999999% chance someone has ripped it and put it up for download. Usually it's only not ripped if it's extremely extremely obscure to the degree, that no one has heard of it outside of some tiny circle of people which means it probably wouldn't even make it to that kind of store, or it sucks so bad that no one would ever possibly want to consume it. Even those usually end up ripped at some point.
Those are all very specific special case scenarios. Not standard day to day use of messaging on the phone. Not something that should really be causing people to worry about the cost associated with sending those messages.
So what? I assume it's part of the basic service fee package? Just ignore them, and get on with your life using an SMS replacement. Or you could spend your days whinging on slashdot about the price of vaccuum tubes.
I get 250-300 messages each month, and I've got like one contact who does not have a smartphone. That's more than sufficient to take care of any texting needs with them, everyone else is texted via an app. If you have excessive amounts of contacts without smart phones tell them to crawl out their caves and upgrade.
Why do people even use SMS anymore? In the age of smartphones it's completely unnecessary. With apps like Kakaotalk, Touch, Whatsapp, and others, it's like bitching that the price of butter churner handles has skyrocketed.
Still, it was an impressive demonstration, and the team declared their determination (in grammatically correct and understandable English!) to improve translation precision.
You think companies like Google aren't already trying to do this? The differences here are enormous. Simple grammatically correct syntax is easy to translate. Casual conversation filled with idioms and things is tough to translate even for humans who might have the cultural and contextual awareness that the machine lacks.
You have two issues here: 1) Speech recognition - This still isn't great, even on basic stuff. See youtube's audio transcriber. It's a train wreck.
2) Translation of languages which are very different like Asian languages and English. Google sometimes does a pretty decent job between English and things like french or other european languages. Now you want to go have it try and translate something like Korean which can have implied subjects and objects as well as hosts of words that "translate" but actually don't really translate in context the way we might think they do...
No, you would need some kind of genuine artificial intelligence to be able to drive this to get it to be useful. 10% doesn't seem like a lot, but when you're already failing to recognize words and then running that through a very imperfect translator that 10 times out of 9 will provide a bad translation of perfectly entered text, I can't really see where you're going to go with this.
So essentially what it means is that if you content shift a book from a pad to a PC and it was locked (say normally requiring you to pay $5 for the PC version) all they could do is go after you for the $5?
This may be what the government said about not worrying about private copying. The actual damage is so trivial, that the rights holders would be crazy to go after it. It would cost them more.
No, people in Korea don't constantly think about North Korea, they couldn't, or else they'd live in constant fear and never be able to do anything with their lives.
They're basically given for the same reasons anyone would get a cellphone, with the additional benefit of tracking on them. Korean kids do spend a little more time away from mom and dad during the week though as they'll often go directly from school to academy.
Here, everything is run out of an academy including things like sports. So after school they'll walk to whatever their next academy is with their friends or perhaps take a bus. The parents can keep track of them, they can communicate with each other if need be. It's much more common for young kids to travel without adults, even in Seoul. It's a lot like the 50s with cellphones in some ways.
Yes but how prevalent are they? Just because they've had them doesn't mean anyone has used them. I also don't see anything about GPS on it, the ones in Korea all have GPS so the parents can track the kids.
Parody isn't making a joke. Parody is using the original work to make commentary on the work itself. He only says that about 1 song, the first song. He makes no other comments about the rest of the songs, other than to say he sounds just like them.
Korea has had kid's cell phones for years. They've got a button for mom, a button for dad, an emergency button and then one or two programmable buttons (grandma grandpa maybe) and GPS. That's it.
They were reported because they were violating the terms, and spamming several groups while doing so. The point was that Facebook provides a service and claims to handle certain issues as part of their service, and that claim is false.
Facebook's abuse department is a joke. They have a policy against people using personal pages for business, in the last 8 months I've reported dozens of these.. 8 months later, not a single one has been deleted and all continue to spam various regional groups.
They have absolutely zero credibility when it comes to this kind of thing.
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It's much much closer than "anonymous coward" is.
Though it is a rather apt description.
Because the stereotype is about Japanese and to a lesser extent Koreans, not Chinese speakers.
So no, he's not showing awareness of stereotypes, he's showing ignorance, as last I checked, it isn't the Japanese building the iPhones.
at least I have the stones to stand by what I write.
racist and ignorant.. an obvious combination and modded funny on slashdot no less. It's good to see where the priorities are and what the community supports.
Why is this even a story? Is there anywhere that Facebook actually enforces this policy?
I've seen no evidence that facebook remotely cares about this. Several groups I belong to have people using business pages as personal accounts (Yes I'm sure your name is Division Marketing, nice to meet you) and trolls using clearly fake names (Rusty Mcfuckertrollson) and despite having been reported for months or nearly a year at this point, all the accounts are still permitted to spam these groups or harass members as the admin is absentee.
In fact I've rarely, if ever, seen facebook enforce a single policy. /b/ used to have threads devoted to listing your troll accounts so that they could friend each other to appear more legit. A long time ago you used to be able to report with an explanation. Even explaining that, and pointing out 100 grouped accounts were all fake? a month later when someone started the thread again, all the same accounts showed up.
People who need gifts and things in games and whose friends have all blocked them started making fake accounts to play those games. I knew someone who had like 25 on their friends list, all with clearly fake names, all friended each other, and all with some cartoon picture as the profile picture.
As far as I know they're all still there despite having been reported like 2 years ago.
If people in germany want to use fake names, just do it, facebook clearly doesn't care.
But I'm sick and fucking tired of hearing about raspberry pi.
If you don't need to actually call out and talk with external people no. Or if you do it so infrequently that it's a non-issue no. Probably whole floors of workers could have their phones removed and perhaps a couple of "phone rooms" added to the floor, so that on the odd chance they had to call a landline out, they could have a quiet place to make the call, and numbers associated with it if they needed to give someone a number to call.
XP showed that people were happy keeping on OS for a very long time on their machines.
Windows 7 is working for a lot of people who are using it. They've got no real motivation as the home user to switch. It's still new, and most of them probably expect they could get the life of their machine out of it.
Windows 8 will be the skip version then Microsoft will come to their senses and gives us another regular version of windows next.
You need an Alien Registration Card, which is weird, because if you sign up via their android app you don't need one. If you have an android phone, try checking out their app there.
It's called Bugs
http://www.bugs.co.kr/
but it's only available in Korean, and I'm not sure how you'd pay for it outside of Korea. At least through their website. With their android app, you can charge the fee directly to your phone.
But for the most part, just use bittorrent because since I stopped using emusic, I more or less stopped downloading music. The 3 or 4 songs I want to actually download a year haven't really necessitated my trying to find another acceptable service until recently.
I used to use Emusic for quite some time. Got quite a bit of indie music there..browsing wikipedia though looks like they sold out in 2010. I think I stopped using them late 2008 or early 2009.
Not allowing people to redownload tracks is just insulting. They were already raising prices just before I left, cutting subscription downloads by 20-30% or something like that, effectively raising the per track price.
Their prices are really high now. the top plan which gives 73 downloads a month was like $14.99 when I was using it a few years ago, now 31.99
Here in Korea, you get 40 downloads for about $5 a month.
including a fair bit of western music, I think they've got 2.5-3 million tracks on their service.
If you can buy it, 99.9999999999999% chance someone has ripped it and put it up for download.
Usually it's only not ripped if it's extremely extremely obscure to the degree, that no one has heard of it outside of some tiny circle of people which means it probably wouldn't even make it to that kind of store, or it sucks so bad that no one would ever possibly want to consume it. Even those usually end up ripped at some point.
Those are all very specific special case scenarios. Not standard day to day use of messaging on the phone. Not something that should really be causing people to worry about the cost associated with sending those messages.
So what? I assume it's part of the basic service fee package? Just ignore them, and get on with your life using an SMS replacement. Or you could spend your days whinging on slashdot about the price of vaccuum tubes.
I get 250-300 messages each month, and I've got like one contact who does not have a smartphone. That's more than sufficient to take care of any texting needs with them, everyone else is texted via an app. If you have excessive amounts of contacts without smart phones tell them to crawl out their caves and upgrade.
Why do people even use SMS anymore? In the age of smartphones it's completely unnecessary. With apps like Kakaotalk, Touch, Whatsapp, and others, it's like bitching that the price of butter churner handles has skyrocketed.
You think companies like Google aren't already trying to do this?
The differences here are enormous. Simple grammatically correct syntax is easy to translate. Casual conversation filled with idioms and things is tough to translate even for humans who might have the cultural and contextual awareness that the machine lacks.
You have two issues here:
1) Speech recognition - This still isn't great, even on basic stuff. See youtube's audio transcriber. It's a train wreck.
2) Translation of languages which are very different like Asian languages and English. Google sometimes does a pretty decent job between English and things like french or other european languages. Now you want to go have it try and translate something like Korean which can have implied subjects and objects as well as hosts of words that "translate" but actually don't really translate in context the way we might think they do...
No, you would need some kind of genuine artificial intelligence to be able to drive this to get it to be useful. 10% doesn't seem like a lot, but when you're already failing to recognize words and then running that through a very imperfect translator that 10 times out of 9 will provide a bad translation of perfectly entered text, I can't really see where you're going to go with this.
So essentially what it means is that if you content shift a book from a pad to a PC and it was locked (say normally requiring you to pay $5 for the PC version) all they could do is go after you for the $5?
This may be what the government said about not worrying about private copying. The actual damage is so trivial, that the rights holders would be crazy to go after it. It would cost them more.
No, people in Korea don't constantly think about North Korea, they couldn't, or else they'd live in constant fear and never be able to do anything with their lives.
They're basically given for the same reasons anyone would get a cellphone, with the additional benefit of tracking on them. Korean kids do spend a little more time away from mom and dad during the week though as they'll often go directly from school to academy.
Here, everything is run out of an academy including things like sports. So after school they'll walk to whatever their next academy is with their friends or perhaps take a bus. The parents can keep track of them, they can communicate with each other if need be. It's much more common for young kids to travel without adults, even in Seoul. It's a lot like the 50s with cellphones in some ways.
Yes but how prevalent are they?
Just because they've had them doesn't mean anyone has used them.
I also don't see anything about GPS on it, the ones in Korea all have GPS so the parents can track the kids.
http://rense.com/general54/cellp.htm
Korea had them with GPS in 2004.
But in addition to having them earlier, they are also everywhere. As in they're standard issue for kids in Grade 1.
That is not what parody is.
Under US law:
Parody isn't making a joke. Parody is using the original work to make commentary on the work itself. He only says that about 1 song, the first song. He makes no other comments about the rest of the songs, other than to say he sounds just like them.
Korea has had kid's cell phones for years. They've got a button for mom, a button for dad, an emergency button and then one or two programmable buttons (grandma grandpa maybe) and GPS. That's it.
Basically every kid in grade 1 gets one.
When is Iran going to invade the UK and the US and restore freedom and democracy?
They were reported because they were violating the terms, and spamming several groups while doing so. The point was that Facebook provides a service and claims to handle certain issues as part of their service, and that claim is false.
Facebook's abuse department is a joke. They have a policy against people using personal pages for business, in the last 8 months I've reported dozens of these.. 8 months later, not a single one has been deleted and all continue to spam various regional groups.
They have absolutely zero credibility when it comes to this kind of thing.