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Ask Slashdot: How To Make a DVD-Rental Store More Relevant?

smi.james.th writes "Here on Slashdot, the concept that older models of business need to be updated to keep with the times is often mentioned. A friend of mine owns a DVD rental store, and he often listens to potential customers walk out, saying that they'd rather download the movie, and not because his prices are unreasonable. With the local telco on a project to boost internet speeds, my friend feels as though the end is near for his livelihood. So, Slashdotters, I put it to you: What can a DVD store owner do to make his store more relevant? What services would you pay for at a DVD store?"

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  1. Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    My friend manufacturers and sells horse whips. With this trend towards horseless carriages he doesn't seem to sell as many as he used to. Does anybody have any ideas on how he can increase his business?

    1. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Perverts.

    2. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That is easy, BDSM accessories.

      Keeping a DVD Store relevant? Thats a tricky one...

    3. Re:Hey Guys by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, unless you have access to a time machine, I think DVD stores (of any kind) are not great ideas anymore.

      On the plus side, after reading all these comments, you'll probably have enough observations about horses and automobiles to open a stale metaphor store. It's been only a few minutes and I've already spotted five.

    4. Re:Hey Guys by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Funny

      Does he still do VHS tapes too...?

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    5. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have two words for you. FETISH PORN!

    6. Re:Hey Guys by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes - work on that crazy niche of people who will still be buying horse whips in the crazy year 2012 when most people are riding their jetpacks to the moon. Those who enjoy riding horses for pleasure, the horse racing industry etc. Also never forget rule 34 - there will always be a niche sexual element to any product, so make sure you target the BDSM market with some classy designs.

      Same for physical DVD rental. Target those who don't just want to watch a film, but those who want to have a real life experience around it. Hold the equivalent of a book club, promote one DVD a week that all your members can rent for, say, 1 penny, then hold a weekly get-together to discuss the film. Promote the art-house side of things, quirky foreign films, all the things that are tucked away on the NetFlix submenus. Hell, why not, hold a singles evening once a month, there's plenty of single film nerds out there.

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    7. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of industries use lobbying to get laws passed that protect their business model. Try getting a law passed that says DVD rental shops gets percentage of all online streaming. Then go after bandwidth in general since people download movies ad your loss.

      *Sigh* our legal system is very very broken.

    8. Re:Hey Guys by theNetImp · · Score: 1

      Depends which country you live in. Sure in the US DVD rental stores are dying, but in Japan they thrive.

    9. Re:Hey Guys by hduff · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yeah, unless you have access to a time machine, I think DVD stores (of any kind) are not great ideas anymore.

      He would need to fulfill the needs that the online services can't or won't fill, namely hard-core and fetish porn. That's about all that's left to him.

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    10. Re:Hey Guys by the+simurgh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      take out a rack or two of the oldest movies for a large table with a power station for people to plug in laptops. offer wifi for a nominal fee. focus more on new releases, gaming systems and game rentals. you could sell graphic novels or magazines god knows the teens around her clear out that card gaming rack pretty quick at the local rental place. I've always imagined a deal with the local pizza place could be beneficial, have a movie and your pizza order delivered to your house with one call.

    11. Re:Hey Guys by jhoegl · · Score: 2

      Oh no, BETA!

    12. Re:Hey Guys by Forbman · · Score: 2

      Go check out Movietime Videos, in McMinnville, OR and tell to their owners. Part of it is figuring out how to keep in contact with and foster those people who still want the physicalness of the video store. Part of it is being in a vibrant small town with a dense-enough rural area (but not so dense as to have cable out there). Another part probably is its a college town. And their location works.
      And yes, they have quite the catalog, too.
      Believe it or not, they don't rent porn.
      Almost worth it still for me to go there from Beaverton...

    13. Re:Hey Guys by drkstr1 · · Score: 1

      I've always wondered if there was some kind of liquor license that would allow you to deliver beer and wine with your pizza. Pizza beer and a movie right at my front door? Sign me up!

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    14. Re:Hey Guys by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 3

      Hey, BETA was better!

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    15. Re:Hey Guys by steviesteveo12 · · Score: 1

      Online services don't provide pornography?

    16. Re:Hey Guys by kilodelta · · Score: 1

      In essence you're creating what Chuck E Cheese wanted to be except for a different demographic.

    17. Re:Hey Guys by iamnobody2 · · Score: 2

      why are they thriving in japan?

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    18. Re:Hey Guys by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      Shiny coaster store?
      Antique store?

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    19. Re:Hey Guys by Master+Moose · · Score: 2

      Our Local DVD store has just had a Subway installed inside.

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    20. Re:Hey Guys by davester666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Same. thing. Rent the dirtiest, most perverted porn that it legal in your jurisdiction and you have a small chance. And a very discreet entrance.

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    21. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like most slashdot answers... "The answer is government!!!"

      Just like the horse and carriage industry tried to outlaw and restrict automobiles, old media is trying to outlaw and restrict new media.

    22. Re:Hey Guys by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 3, Funny

      Tentacle p0rn.

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    23. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      German DVD rental stores seem okay too.
      As for a possible reason why Japanese DVD rental stores are thriving: they also rent CDs and manga. Also Japanese people aren't as self-righteous as your typical westerner.

    24. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Hey, BETA was better!"

      Someone sold some to the Fringe guys, the market is cornered now.

    25. Re:Hey Guys by nospam007 · · Score: 2

      "German DVD rental stores seem okay too."

      That's because Germans are still reluctant to embrace that Credit Card thingie and without that you have to carry cash to a shop.

    26. Re:Hey Guys by cgenman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Additional thoughts:

      1. Game rental is still in its infancy online, and games are expensive. Get known for renting those.
      2. Deliver! Someone might rather wait the 3 days for Netflix delivery of things that can't be streamed, but if you can get it there in 30 minutes or less you're in great competitive shape.
      3. If you can solve the licenses, turn a section of the shop into an on-demand movie theater.

    27. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Black Lodge - Memphis, TN

    28. Re:Hey Guys by musikit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      because movie tickets are incredibly high. 1500 yen approx $20(american) for 1 ticket. plus movie theatres arent are close to you as they are in america. so you often have to pay 500 yen or approx $7 for a train ticket to get there. so yours talking $27 dollars per person to see a movie. wait a while then goto geo (very close and affordable) and rent it for 350 yen for a new release or wait even longer and eventually get it for 100 yen for a weeks rental. rip it with handbrake and makemkv. why would i spend $4 on an itunes rental (or similiar)

      sneaker net still faster then the fastest internet, since forever.

    29. Re:Hey Guys by r1348 · · Score: 4, Funny

      We're not connected to the same Internet, apparently...

    30. Re:Hey Guys by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      take out a rack or two of the oldest movies for a large table with a power station for people to plug in laptops

      Laptops? Plug in? What year is it? I suppose you think he should rent wax cylinders as well?

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    31. Re:Hey Guys by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      yeah netflix won't rent that to you but there is the rest of the Internet out their willing to service any and all fetishes. turn off safe search entirely on google and look for any you can think of and its out there. available any any of a dozen formats and streamed also their is the pirate bay for those that don't want to pay for their hardon. really dvd rental stores are for grandmas that don't have/understand the world wide net or for people living in small outport villages in arctic Alaska with dial up Internet.

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    32. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      why are they thriving in japan?

      Have you tried finding usable Japanese subtitles for anything you've pirated? That's why.

    33. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Draconian anti-piracy laws making is a prison sentence to get caught downloading.

    34. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The DVD rental store GEO (in Japan) has a large diversification. They don't just rent DVDs or games, they also rent and sell CDs, and there is a huge magazine/ manga section. They are also set up with a recycle shop called "2nd Street" so they can buy and sell used clothing and video game systems. You can even buy and sell original famicom (NES) games. I bought FFVII for PSOne for about $14, too bad I my Japanese sucks and I can't actually read anything, so playing the game is a little more difficult then it should.

      I don't think streaming has really cought on here, at least in Hokkaido, plus with week long rentals you don't have to hurry up and finish watching the move, just bring it back when your done.

    35. Re:Hey Guys by infosinger · · Score: 2

      Actually, even today, there are buggy whip manufacturers. The key is to recognize that you have a shrinking market size and that only the best and unique suppliers are going to survive. So, your friend, assuming he wants to stay in this shrinking market and intensifying competition will need to think of how he can outperform downloads. Are there services that are not provided by downloads. How about teaming up with the local pizza joint and delivering a pizza and a movie. Personalize the service and know the customer.

      Look at, for example, stores that still sell LP records. How are they staying in business? What do they have that the other, now dead, players didn't have?

    36. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One (presumably same) DVD a week to all your customers would require you to have four copies of each DVD. That's pushing it on the inventory side.

    37. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My friend manufacturers and sells horse whips... Does anybody have any ideas on how he can increase his business?

      Maybe he should try selling them to the S&M market?

    38. Re:Hey Guys by petermgreen · · Score: 2

      1. Game rental is still in its infancy online, and games are expensive. Get known for renting those.

      Probablly not a bad idea right now for an existing buisness looking to extend it's life but be aware that this may be a short lived strategy. The technology exists to require online activation (with limited activation counts and/or fixed link to an account), all it requires is the console vendors to choose to do so and your game rental buisness is screwed.

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    39. Re:Hey Guys by ghostdoc · · Score: 2

      Same for physical DVD rental. Target those who don't just want to watch a film, but those who want to have a real life experience around it. Hold the equivalent of a book club, promote one DVD a week that all your members can rent for, say, 1 penny, then hold a weekly get-together to discuss the film. Promote the art-house side of things, quirky foreign films, all the things that are tucked away on the NetFlix submenus. Hell, why not, hold a singles evening once a month, there's plenty of single film nerds out there.

      This.

      Any business model based around filling physical media with information and selling it is borked (so DVD/BluRay, books, CDs, newspapers, magazines, encylopedias, etc).

      Your friend has somehow got to provide a physical/real-world experience that makes it worth coming to the store, and then work out how to monetise that (to avoid being the place where people go to talk about the films they streamed from Netflix this week). Retail is going through the same struggle, how to avoid becoming "Amazon's Showroom" so there are lots of people thinking about this at the moment.

      But a good start would be to ask the existing customer base why they still use the store. Using that feedback it should be possible to work out what they have in common and thus identify the target market for the store.

      The mistake would be to think that the business model is about renting movies. If the business is going to survive it has to become about providing a service that people will rent a movie to experience.

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    40. Re:Hey Guys by zaphod777 · · Score: 2

      In Japan there are not really any streaming services to speak of. There is no Netflix, Amazon, Prime, They just got Hulu but it is pretty limited. The Google Play Store now does rentals but I am not sure how popular it is. Sure you can pirate stuff online but subtitles in Japanese are a PIA to find and the Japanese shows don't show up on your normal torrent site. Plus they anti piracy laws here in Japan just got really strict.

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    41. Re:Hey Guys by zaphod777 · · Score: 2

      _ That stuff is not as prevalent as you would think. I have asked my Japanese friends and they have never even heard of it. Also I have yet to see a vending machine selling used woman's underwear.

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    42. Re:Hey Guys by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      Population density would be my guess.

      A single video store likely serves a much larger market of potential customers than the same one in the middle of sparsely populated suburbia.

      The proximity of everyone and everything probably makes a video store in Japan no less competitive/convenient than Redbox kiosks in the US.

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    43. Re:Hey Guys by wer32r · · Score: 1

      2. Deliver! Someone might rather wait the 3 days for Netflix delivery of things that can't be streamed, but if you can get it there in 30 minutes or less you're in great competitive shape.

      For delivery you can cooperate with a local fast food / catering restaurant, and let them provide "Film Deals" (eg. pizza + movie) in cooperation with your rental store. This could also provide you with new customers, not to mention that it's convenient.

    44. Re:Hey Guys by Spamalope · · Score: 1

      He may be able to zero in on titles Netflix can't stream or doesn't pursue to add some value.

      Is he in a large metro area? Can he attract a large enough anime or other genre audience to make catering to them viable? Maybe he can team up with stores in other regions and trade niche inventories to keep the selection fresher for minimal cost.

    45. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same for physical DVD rental. ... Hold the equivalent of a book club, promote one DVD a week that all your members can rent for, say, 1 penny,

      That'd work great if he could some how allow them to all watch the same physical copy, perhaps delivering it over some sort of network in a "stream" of bits. Not so much when you have to own a disk for every member of the "club".

    46. Re:Hey Guys by irving47 · · Score: 1

      Are they the best damn buggy whips ever made?

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    47. Re:Hey Guys by hvdh · · Score: 1

      That's because Germans are still reluctant to embrace that Credit Card thingie and without that you have to carry cash to a shop.

      Germans (actually all Europeans) don't need credit cards because with EC/Maestro cards, they already have something better: free card and transactions for customers, and just 0.3% transaction fee for merchants. Payment is online with PIN against your bank account. AmEx and others don't offer free cards (here) and seem to take 3-5% transaction fee.

    48. Re:Hey Guys by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      Same. thing. Rent the dirtiest, most perverted porn that it legal in your jurisdiction and you have a small chance. And a very discreet entrance.

      Why do people pay for porn any more? It's not as if it's hard to find it on the internet for free...

    49. Re:Hey Guys by beowulfcluster · · Score: 2

      Maybe the DVD store guy can start catering to perverts as well. You just don't get the same thrill when you anonymously download your stuff from the Internet. The disapproving looks and terse conversation from the person behind the counter when you go rent it really add to the overall experience. Or so I've been told.

    50. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably the same reason people pay for music and (non-porn) movies: they want to support the people making it.

    51. Re:Hey Guys by inu_maru · · Score: 2

      They aren't.

      Only mega-corp like Tsutaya are viable now, haven't seen a non-chain store in years. DVD by mail and streaming are getting more and more common, even (specially) for pr0n.

      Ok... maybe it's like that only in Yokohama (sorta like the new Jersey of jp), but anyway...

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    52. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, some of us outside the US don't have a good online movie rental service. Netflix is apparently planning to be available here but there are some local shops that are starting out but they only carry dubbed movies, even google movies (I know) has only dubbed versions and no plans to bring the original audio here. This is a deal breaker for me, I understand english well enough that I can even do without subtitles; and for languages I don't speak I still prefer the original actors' voices with subtitles that whatever subpar dubbing they do here.

      Having a decent DVD rental place nearby would be a big plus, but they went the way of the dodo for one reason or another...it happened before I got here, I'm an expat so...yeah

    53. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.

      It's simple really. Don't be a crap movie store. Be more like these guys. The place is never empty.

    54. Re:Hey Guys by fearofcarpet · · Score: 1

      There is a place like that in Ashland, OR too (DJ's). They have been around since the mid 80's and, while Blockbuster and all the rest went under, they have expanded. Part of it is the natural tendency of Ashlanders to shun franchises (e.g., boycotting Starbucks), and part is the rural surroundings and hippies, but most of it seems to be having a friendly knowledgeable staff that can provide recommendations and being "part of the community."

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    55. Re:Hey Guys by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      Believe it or not, they don't rent porn. Almost worth it still for me to go there from Beaverton...

      I guess you can get all the porn you want in Beaverton.

    56. Re:Hey Guys by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      Also, maybe some film school students would love to get their projects on DVD or wherever. The bottom line is that people upload to YouTube for free, so if you can get that community in a DVD world, then you're golden.

    57. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      why are they thriving in japan?

      It's a cultural thing. You can find "bars" which consist of a single room with maybe enough space for a dozen people, which should have gone out of business long ago. People are loyal to the businesses in their area, and in many, many cases they will pay a little bit more to get a service or product from the guy they know personally than from a cheaper and more "faceless" source. Thus, they are willing to pay a little bit more to go socialize with the people who own and work at the video rental store. To them, buying something at the store is a two-way deal, where here in the US we tend to look at the store as an enemy who we will screw over to save a buck at the first possible chance.

    58. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed.. I can't believe it's not Beta

    59. Re:Hey Guys by doccus · · Score: 1

      Japanese people like to own real physical copies of albums and videos..there are more rare CD albums in print in Japan than anywhere else in the world..

    60. Re:Hey Guys by doccus · · Score: 1

      Where I live, it's easier to find a place that sells record LPs than CDs only.. although usually all the record shops sell CDs, they tend to be new releases, whereas the records are mostly old (60's-70's).. 15 years ago you couldn't find a vinyl shop to save yer ass.. Even cassette tapes are making a comeback, but mostly only as collectibles..

    61. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perverts.

      A Sales staff that knows its product which is the point I think about "perverts".

    62. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. I think that the value is not seen any more by the average person. With the right approach the value of owning a physical copy of something can be proven again. Younger generations want content 'NOW' and for 'free'. Looking at the success of stores like iTunes, Google Play or Amazon's store there is obviously a market for purchase or perhaps rental. The real challenge for these brick and mortar stores is pointing out who OWNS the content post purchase and how a physical piece of media such as a Blu Ray or DVD can be passed along to future generations. Ask brue Willis how he feels about Apple's iTunes policies about digital music...I bet he spews out a slur of 4-letter words. As I am sure the digital generation will realize soon enough simply "buying" cloud-based content might be cheap but you give up your control over the content.

    63. Re:Hey Guys by HungWeiLo · · Score: 1

      " dvd rental stores are for grandmas that don't have/understand the world wide net or for people living in small outport villages in arctic Alaska with dial up Internet."

      I'm in my early 30s and live in Seattle. I rent Blu-Rays from Red Box occasionally because streaming doesn't get you 5.1 surround sound and HD picture. But I guess my needs are in the minority of consumers.

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    64. Re:Hey Guys by HungWeiLo · · Score: 1

      " I have asked my Japanese friends and they have never even heard of it."

      My numerous personal anecdotes say otherwise. They're just too ashamed to admit it, as they may know what Westerners/non-Japanese think about that stuff.

      There are many people in Korea who will never admit to foreigners that they know someone who's eaten dog meat.

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    65. Re:Hey Guys by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      redboxs are a much different animal than traditional dvd rental store

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    66. Re:Hey Guys by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Germans (actually all Europeans) don't need credit cards because with EC/Maestro cards, they already have something better: free card and transactions for customers,."

      I know, I am one , but nonetheless. only in Germany I encounter hotels that don't accept credit cards, you can't change the limit on the EC, so if you have a large bill to pay, you need cash there.
      Also many of my German friends are afraid to use credit cards online, while they are not afraid of the gas station helper, the pizza guy or the Chinese restaurant.
      That's for example where _I_ am suspicious.

    67. Re:Hey Guys by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      There are pizza restaurants in large cities that will also deliver beer or wine with your order.

    68. Re:Hey Guys by Vrtigo1 · · Score: 1

      A city with a population over 30k doesn't have cable? WTF. We have cities around here with populations under 5k that have cable.

    69. Re:Hey Guys by OakDragon · · Score: 1

      In our area, Family Video still operates. One of the things they do is offer free rentals for a selection of kids' videos and exercise videos. They also offer a wide selection of older titles for $1.00 for multiple nights. These sections keep me coming back. And of course they will sell you marked-up snacks.

    70. Re:Hey Guys by Jiro · · Score: 1

      Also, it helps to run a store in a low income neighborhood, where fewer people have fast internet connections. Likewise, places occupied by older people are a help, because they're less likely to have or know how to use Internet.

      I'm not even joking--look at where the surviving Blockbusters are located. Unfortunately this advice isn't going to be much use if your store already exists.

    71. Re:Hey Guys by servant · · Score: 1

      Add a new line to his business... have it turn into a fashion item... make 'e-whips' that geek's can't refuse. Integrate a 3D scanner into it that transmits the signal to a 'replicator'

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    72. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The equivalent to blockbuster in Japan does streaming to your house. But its not that popular yet. To entice in-house customers they make DVDs about 4$ for 3 days incl. Blu-rays. They make their money back on latecharges.

    73. Re:Hey Guys by nobaloney · · Score: 2

      take out a rack or two of the oldest movies

      No, definitely not the oldest movies. The newest ones; the ones everyone gets from those red boxes outside the supermarket. Instead concentrate on the old, the niche, and the hard to find.

      In fact, the only reason I subscribe to the Netflix DVD service is all those movies you can find there which you can't find (legally) anywhere else.

    74. Re:Hey Guys by zaphod777 · · Score: 1

      We have talked about much worse things than that so I don't think that is really it. Even in the US we have some pretty strange and nasty porn, that doesn't mean that everyone in the US watches it. Sure I have heard of Two Girls one Cup and Goatse but I have never felt the need to look them up and I am sure that there are lots of people who have never even heard of them. Japan has its fair share of underground strange shit but for the most part everyone is pretty normal.

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    75. Re:Hey Guys by xkpe · · Score: 1

      That's less than what you would spend on the UK.

    76. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anime

    77. Re:Hey Guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think your 2nd point is very interesting ... what might also help is to somehow link the store to a local pizza place!

      Movie + pizza in 30min is something I imagine quite a few might like...

      Surely only delivering DVD's would either not be viable for the store or be priced to high for the customer!?

    78. Re:Hey Guys by amplex · · Score: 1

      Ordered from extreme pizza last month, they delivered some great pizza and a 24oz craft beer. It was heavenly.

    79. Re:Hey Guys by DRACO- · · Score: 1

      Libraries have book clubs. How about putting together some must watch lists for different interests and making those highly available or 1 day rentals so there are quick turn arounds. Drag together some film nuts that really like to discuss movies finer points and have discussion days on the list like very other Thursday, BOYB.

      The local video store sold pizza for a few years, then switched to bbq.... then shut down the video store and sold nothing but bbq.

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  2. sell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If he is lucky enough to find someone to buy his business he should, otherwise, he may start transitioning his business to something else, like becoming the hometown Ebay storefront, or a shipping center.

    1. Re:sell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An ebay storefront would be good, he could even use it to sell off his existing stock while drawing in new customers.

    2. Re:sell by countach74 · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who actually goes to Blockbuster since their price restructuring? Perhaps it's because they're located literally right down the road from me, but older releases are $.99/night, as opposed to Red Box's $1.20. They have a bigger selection. And I don't have to wait out in the rain while someone ahead of me takes forever to pick out their movie from Red Box.

      Perhaps $1/night rentals would be a good way to go, if the store owner hasn't done that already. Oh, and find a good nerd or group of nerds to invest in to automate as much as you can. Maybe find creative ways to list inventory online and/or on mobile devices. I realize this may not be worth the investment, but that's for the owner to decided. :) It's just an idea.

    3. Re:sell by jhoegl · · Score: 2

      As these stores close, they will lose power and lose the ability to control the market like they have been.
      You see, back in the 90s when HBO came out, these rental places were worried. So they brokered a deal to pay obscene prices for Videos before they went to HBO. $120 per VHS just so they could have it three months before. Now, there are deals with Video stores and HBO before they hit Netflix.
      These guys are running scared and delaying the inevitable. I would develop a content box and sell that with a sub to Netflix/Hulu if I wanted to stay viable in the industry. Make it allow updates to provide additional services like music services or other streaming services as they come out.
      If not, might as well close the store.

    4. Re:sell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You see, back in the 90s when HBO came out, these rental places were worried.

      Uh, HBO started in 1972, well before VCRs and video rentals became serious business.

      If anything, it's HBO that was worried about video rental shops, not the other way around!

    5. Re:sell by jhoegl · · Score: 1

      PPPFFFFTTT, I became aware of it in the 90s, therefor, it did not exist until I knew about it. :P

  3. Stop renting DVD's by hawks5999 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Time to find a new business. He's a buggy whip salesman in the era of automobiles.

    1. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Additionally, the business owner probably has a particular set of skills which could be applied to a business with a tailwind, rather than one with a headwind. They should spend their energy figuring out what that next business or project is.

    2. Re:Stop renting DVD's by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Funny

      Shutting down a business may be a violation of the rules. What collective bargaining agreements do his employees operate under? And if not, what the fuck? What kind of nutbags start a job without the protection of a collective bargaining agreement?

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    3. Re:Stop renting DVD's by mrclisdue · · Score: 2

      Perhaps he could open a waterbed business.

      Or buy shares in Facebook.

      cheers,

    4. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Beamboom · · Score: 2

      As unfortunate as it is for your friend there Timothy, Hawks is right. I seriously do not see one single thing a DVD store owner can do to make his store more relevant for me. Here in Norway DVD stores along with record stores have practically vanished completely. Those who are still in business has turned more into regular candy stores than DVD stores.

    5. Re:Stop renting DVD's by markus_baertschi · · Score: 1

      I agree, DVD renting as business is on the way out. in the not-too-far future there will be too few customers to keep him in business.

      If he wants to stay in retail he has to start selling/renting things customer want to buy/rent in a brick and mortar store.

    6. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 2

      What kind of nutbags start a job without the protection of a collective bargaining agreement?

      +1 funny

    7. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Most Americans and Canadians. Are you being disingenuous?

    8. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for stealing my joke, AC don't need karma anyway.
      Fittingly my captcha is Parasite.

    9. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with this. The simple fact is that DVDs are on their way out and you just can't hang on to them forever. The few people I know who still use DVDs like to collect them, not rent them, and the rest do not care at all. This sucks for OP's friend, but well, the same thing happened with VHS as well.

    10. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It may even be a *very* particular set of skills. Skills he might have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make him a nightmare for people like...wait, what were we talking about?

    11. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Spazmania · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What kind of nutbags start a job without the protection of a collective bargaining agreement?

      How about that, there is such a thing as a stupid question.

      Answer #1: Any professional with any ambition at all. Collective bargaining agreements are a noose around the neck of anybody with the ambition to better themselves.

      Answer #2: Any unskilled employee who'd like to have a paycheck if they live in a right to work state where "at will" employment predominates. Which unsurprisingly happens to be the states with the lowest unemployment rates right now.

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    12. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      South Park did an episode on this not more than a couple of weeks ago.

    13. Re:Stop renting DVD's by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1, Troll

      Judging by what happened to Hostess, anyone who actually wants to keep that job.

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    14. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      The few people I know who still use DVDs like to collect them, not rent them, and the rest do not care at all.

      Yep, I fall into this category. I like having DVDs, because I like having them in my hands; I like the permanence. Of course, I don't get that permanence with renting, and I've never rented DVDs. I suspect this is the same with other people who still use DVDs; the people who wanted to rent now just download. Even if there is a small cadre of die-hard renters, they're being syphoned off by Redbox, who do it much cheaper than a traditional store could ever hope to.

    15. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Judging by what happened to Hostess, anyone who actually wants to keep that job.

      You mean how Hostess tripled their CEO's pay and raised other exec's salaries, while cutting worker's pay and benefits?

      Stop drinking the far right's Kool Aid. It's not unions that are killing companies like Hostess, it's vulture capitalists.

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    16. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Captain+Hook · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree, DVD renting as business is on the way out. in the not-too-far future there will be too few customers to keep him in business.

      It's not just the customers needed to keep him in business, DVD Rental is dependant on the Movie Publishing houses wanting to rent DVD's and so allowing them to be licensed for rental.

      With all that lovely, easily updatable DRM they can load into streamed movies, I think the publishers will stop licensing DVD's as soon as the streaming market has developed enough.

      That leaves the owner spending time and money trying to make his store relevant to his customers only to have his product pulled from under him.

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    17. Re:Stop renting DVD's by SteveFoerster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm happy to stipulate that any executive who accepts a pay raise the same year their workers get a cut is a scumbag. But ultimately it was union negotiators who allowed the company to go under. Maybe they thought having no job is better than a having a shitty job working for assholes, and that killing off a company that can't or won't take care of its employees is a message worth sending. If so I'd actually respect that, but I haven't seen that's how this is being reported.

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    18. Re:Stop renting DVD's by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 1

      In my area, there are three stores that sell vinyl records (one of these, that's all he sells). There are zero stores that rent DVDs. My advice is close the store, get a Redbox franchise and rent a spot next to the soda machine at the grocery store.

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    19. Re:Stop renting DVD's by dadelbunts · · Score: 1

      Its not exactly killing off a company when the top level dudes are just hoarding all the money. Maybe if they werent giving each other circlejerk raises while cutting everyone elses pay i could understand.

    20. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but I haven't seen that's how this is being reported

      Who owns the MSM? CEOs or workers? Maybe that's a clue.

    21. Re:Stop renting DVD's by TWX · · Score: 1

      Yep. Sales, not rental, is probably the only way to make it work, and that'll only work while there are people like me that want physical media for their movies and TV shows.

      In my case I do not want DRM on a non-physical version. While I don't like DRM on a physical version, a hardware player is likely to not have issues with DRM stopping it from playing, and a hardware player can't ERASE the physical version if something causes it to be found to be objectionable.

      I do no want to subscribe to a streaming service or a service where their software on a physical device that I own allows for the removal of content from that device. There have been too many examples of that, like that high-profile of case of 1984 being deleted from e-book readers.

      I do a lot of shopping at music/movie stores that sell new and used copies of movies and music. I buy a lot of media second-hand, as most of these stores are pretty good about not buying messed up media from trade-in customers. I also don't like paying a lot, though, so paying more than $5 for a movie on DVD or more than $10 on Blu-Ray gives me pause.

      Your friend has had a good long run it sounds like. He should consider himself fortunate that he's managed to make a living as a middle-man in a fairly tight market for this long, and should look at making his exit on terms favorable to him without having to resort to bankruptcy or some other bad situation.

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    22. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      So I guess the work rules that said that you had to have one guy on the truck to drive it, and another one on the truck to actually unload the truck and stock the shelves had nothing to do with it? Guess stocking the shelves requires such specialized training we can't expect drivers to figure it out. Or how about the rules that said that if you had cakes and breads going to the same location, you had to send two trucks, one for the cakes and one for the breads? Can't see how that would be an issue, either. How about the Forbes article from February which noted that Hostess had 372 separate collective bargaining agreements and 80 separate health and pension plans. Workers compensation costs for last year averaged out to $2700 for each of its 18K+ employees.
      Yes- management getting bonuses while the workers take it on the chin is scummy. Working for a struggling company when it is bought by a private-equity firm is almost always bad news.
      But why don't you look past your knee-jerk "it's the far right" response- there's plenty of blame to go around in this instance, and the unions are one of the prime reasons the Hostess workers no longer have jobs.

    23. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Kool Aid? The CEO was working for very little. It was the former CEO that got the big check.

      You sir, are a fringe loony. Just accept it and move on.

    24. Re:Stop renting DVD's by will_die · · Score: 1, Informative

      So the salary of the senior execs salary went from $1 to $3?
      O wait you get your news from various kook sites, such as huffington post, who are deliberately mixing up a previous CEO with the current CEO.

    25. Re:Stop renting DVD's by fruitbane · · Score: 1

      Hostess blames the unions, but if you look at the company's management history and how many times they've been in bankruptcy there's clearly a set of problems that runs far deeper than the unions. The union blame game is mostly a smoke screen. I can almost guarantee that, if not the Hostess brand, the individual brands like Twinkie and Ding Dong will rise again with new corporate masters and little else will change.

    26. Re:Stop renting DVD's by xigxag · · Score: 2

      OK, let's stipulate that all that is correct, all those arcane and wasteful work rules. Who cares? It's called a "collective bargaining agreement" because the two sides agree. I mean, when a guy who was originally making $80K has to go beg for his old job back at $40K, we're told that the act of agreeing to sign the employment contract means that by definition the agreement is to his benefit. So it's the same way with the bosses. If they stupidly agree to giveaways to the unions, they're just as much to blame. A fundamental tenet of capitalism is that both sides act to their mutual benefit with signing a voluntary contract, and that's all that matters. And let's not hear that management has no choice or the union will strike. Everybody always has a choice, just like how the $40K guy had a choice of accepting his wages being cut in half or starving.

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    27. Re:Stop renting DVD's by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Workers compensation costs for last year averaged out to $2700 for each of its 18K+ employees.

      I've generally heard "workers compensation" to mean "pay for injury." You think it's the workers fault that they are getting injured so much?

    28. Re:Stop renting DVD's by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The ones near me are doing things like employee reviews on movies and such so that they are trying to add value. The question is how to add value. For me, the helpful people behind the counter were worth it. "I want a movie like this one" and I'd get much better recommendations than I get on IMDB when I look up a movie and they have the similar ones listed.

    29. Re:Stop renting DVD's by hduff · · Score: 1

      Perhaps he could open a waterbed business.

      Or buy shares in Facebook.

      cheers,

      I hear MySpace is quite the thing with the kids.

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    30. Re:Stop renting DVD's by micheas · · Score: 2

      The only people that care that Hostess is shutting down are:

      1. The employees
      2. Forty somethings that have nostalgia for their youth.

      It's hard to sell cakes filled with fluffed beef tallow and corn syrup as a premium snack these days.

    31. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Answer #2: Any unskilled employee who'd like to have a paycheck if they live in a right to work state where "at will" employment predominates. Which unsurprisingly happens to be the states with the lowest unemployment rates right now.

      Oh bullshit: http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

      Yes, some right-to-work-for-no-money states have low unemployment - but there are plenty of them (GA, MS, the Carolinas) with some of the *highest*, and waddya know there's one (NV) AT THE TOP. Maybe try doing some actual research next time instead of just repeating Heritage Foundation talking points.

    32. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, the "Lets vote for the lesser of two evils" approach to collective bargaining. Look at how well that's turned out for the political process.

    33. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What changed was the union members at Hostess struck 18,000 people out of a job...

    34. Re:Stop renting DVD's by atriusofbricia · · Score: 5, Informative

      Judging by what happened to Hostess, anyone who actually wants to keep that job.

      You mean how Hostess tripled their CEO's pay and raised other exec's salaries, while cutting worker's pay and benefits?

      Stop drinking the far right's Kool Aid. It's not unions that are killing companies like Hostess, it's vulture capitalists.

      Perhaps you should stop drinking your own Kool Aid. The Baker's Union was told that if they continued to strike the company would fail. Not "we don't want to pay you more" but "the company will close and everyone will be out of work". Their response, even after the Teamsters agreed, was "up yours". Shockingly, the company closed. The Baker's Union was greedy and assumed the owners were lying to them. They weren't. End of Story.

      The CEO's pay had exactly nothing to do with the demise of the company and is nothing but a red herring.

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    35. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the desire is to force the doors shut asap and liquidate the IP management often will act in such a fashion.

    36. Re:Stop renting DVD's by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Come on you are just spinning it left. The expense of even hansom raises for a handful of executives is a tiny drop in the pool compared with the cost of benefits and compensation for other employes when you are the type of business with 100s of drivers and shop floor type workers.

      So let me ask you this: If you had a business and you could see the writing on the wall. Your total cost of compensation for all those employees is rising much faster than revenue and the market won't bare higher prices and you know the employee's unions won't likely give up enough compensation to save you what would you do?

      I would give myself a nice raise and pad my personal bank account while I could. Pumping my salary and that of some other key execs to keep them from jumping ship prematurely will let us operate the business as long as possible. The extra cost of the added salary is likely mean the other employees end up on unemployment a time interval measured in at most weeks sooner. No much real harm to them and actually it might mean that we run longer because if I don't bribe the other execs who are most likely to have better options to hang on a little longer they will probably bail and making the whole operation that much less effective that much sooner.

      Don't be so quick condemn every executive that takes a pay raise at an ailing company. Unless its a TBTF they might just be making the best of an already fatal situation.

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    37. Re:Stop renting DVD's by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Yes, because without venture capitalists Hostess wouldn't have gone under in 2009. Instead it would have miraculously become solvent while upholding all its union obligations and there would have been Twinkies for everybody.

    38. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But ultimately it was union negotiators who allowed the company to go under. Maybe they thought having no job is better than a having a shitty job working for assholes

      Agreeing to cut benefits/salary is only worth it if you expect things to turn around. Otherwise you are just prolonging the inevitable, except that unemployment pay will be lower once the company crashes anyway.

      They have agreed to some concessions, but keep doing that and you'll have employees working for free (and the CEO making 100X what they did for the accomplishment)

    39. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      You gonna miss Twinkies aren't you? Sad to see people get so bitter over a creamy filling...

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    40. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      Yes, it was a struggling company that was pushed over the edge by short sighted people that thought they deserved something the company couldn't afford. Kinda like the US auto industry but without the bailouts.

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    41. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is one of the most poorly informed and ignorant posts on the subject and it's rated as insightful. WTF Slashdot?

      You are talking about a company that has been on the decline for a decade or so. It's because of those so-called "vulture capitalists" that the company still existed after a bankruptcy in 2004 and that tens of thousands of people were still employed by the company until earlier this week. The executives' salaries for the year of 2012 were reduced to $1 after they filed for bankruptcy a second time. The Unions knew the company was in trouble, but instead of working with the company and renegotiating salaries so that the company could continue employing 18,500 workers, they decided to force the company to liquidate and will attempt to get squeeze some money out of the company after it goes into receivership. The end result will be that 18,500 workers (some of them non-Union) will be out of work and very little of them will see another dime from the company.

      Vulture capitalists indeed! The Unions are the vultures here, picking at the carcass of a company that they deliberately killed because they felt there was no other way to get the money they wanted.

      It's clear you know nothing about business, so let me point out that employees are the very last people to get money out of a company once it is liquidated. The government first gets its cut; any taxes that were owed will come out of the proceeds of the sale of assets. Anything that's leftover will go to pay off creditors and outstanding loans. After that, investors get to recover their losses -- there are a few from the company's reformation in 2004 that will want to get some of their original investment back. Between Hostess owing $750 million and having received millions of dollars of investment from venture capitalists (that kept 18,500 people employed for 7-8 years), you think the Union's going to see ANYTHING?

      Use your god-damned brain to think about the situation before spewing some inane bullshit that attempts to tie the problem to someone's political affiliation. You're as much of a brainwashed idiot as you think those on the far right are.

    42. Re:Stop renting DVD's by NEDHead · · Score: 1

      'hansom' raises? I saw no reference to horse drawn carriages...

    43. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the salary of the senior execs salary went from $1 to $3?

      The CEO's salary is so big it gets its own salary!? Wow.

    44. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Baker's Union was greedy and assumed the owners were lying to them. They weren't. End of Story.

      Generally speaking, when a corporate representative's mouth is moving, odds are that they are lying. Not always, but quite often. The Baker's Union was simply playing the odds.

    45. Re:Stop renting DVD's by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      I think the likes of Little Debbie, and the various generic brands had far more to do with their down turn than anything... it's the market working.

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    46. Re:Stop renting DVD's by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      I think between Redbox and Netflix it's about over for the rental stores... take a look at record stores if you want to go more niche, which can really only work in a larger city, ymmv.

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    47. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, 'cause increasing the CEOs compensation by that factor wouldn't do anything to convince ME that maybe the company was hiding something, now would it?

      Newsflash: workers are tired of being treated like crap, tired of self-entitled CEOs, tired of people like you calling them greedy, and generally just tired. That's why you're seeing more labor unrest these days, and I hope it continues. Maybe this didn't work out, and that sucks, but I'll guarantee you that folding the company is just another "message" tactic. This CEO (and I don't even know him or anything about him and don't care to) is likely to end up with another high paying job soon, because that's how it works. The workers, maybe not so much. The "everybody will be out of work" is a standard negotiating tactic, so maybe these guys were telling the truth, but if I was in these workers' shoes there wouldn't have been much to make me believe that.

      Labor unrest is slowly starting to return to this country, and not a moment too soon. It doesn't always work. The opposition is well funded and has all kinds of tactics to use against workers, many of them enshrined in bought and paid for laws. Yet on the whole, it will succeed if enough people just keep it up. Refusing to buy Twinkies and other products of whatever vulture capital company buys this outfit up at fire sale prices would be something everyone can do, btw.

      I will never understand the mentality that it's OK for capital to organize, but not labor. It's OK for suppliers of materials to negotiate prices with companies, but not for suppliers of labor. It's OK for corporations to form to limit the liability of owners and to magnify the potential effectiveness of a business, but it's not OK for labor to magnify the effectiveness of it's negotiating power.

      Finally, it's OK for corporations to have special laws and legal protections, but we continue to allow backwards Southern states (mostly) this foolishness of "right to work (for less)" status. What that yields, every single time, is large tax breaks and giveaways to get companies to move south, followed by depressed wages PLUS a lack of tax revenue from the company because the local officials gave it all away. This is why southern schools suck, why the population is ignorant, and why they collect more money from the federal government than they pay out in taxes, all the while calling themselves free and successful. I live in the south unfortunately, and the dumbness is not only intentional, it is encouraged by policy and by action. Racism doesn't hurt either--when you're economically out of it you need somebody to blame, so the politicians and rich folk conveniently provide you with an "other" to blame for the messes that they themselves caused.

      I may sound like a baker to you, but I just have the ability to put myself in other peoples' shoes. I have a decent amount of budget authority in my job, and I see this all the time: contractors, suppliers, software companies, etc. all have increased costs every year that we have to absorb, and we do. Yet somehow there's no money left for raises because with labor, it's accepted that employers get to set the market instead of responding to it.

      Mostly though, it's a lack of trust. Nobody believes the other side now. We all call names and demonize, but we never try to do anything constructive. We act like the US is the only country in the world. It isn't, but we won't learn from others. Germany, for instance, requires that representatives from labor be on the board of large companies, and they not only don't have the worker pay and benefit problems to the same scale we do, but they have some amazingly well run and profitable companies. They also don't have the CEO pay multiples we have here, and somehow everybody seems a lot more stable. Yeah, I know they're having their own economic situation right now, but you can't say we didn't have ours too.

      Companies succeeding benefits everybody, should benefit everybody, and the people who help them succeed--ALL the people who help them succeed, should get the rewards of their labors, whatever their jobs are.

    48. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pfft--look closer into blu-ray keys needing firmware/crypto updates...

    49. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Workers compensation costs for last year averaged out to $2700 for each of its 18K+ employees."

      Coincidentally, $2700 is also the hourly pay rate of the CEO.

    50. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Moof123 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps it is a short sighted negotiating tactic to loot the place while asking the workers to "take one for the team". Destroying good will with the workers can have consequences, and it is rather simplistic to 100% blame the unions for drawing a line after seeing the boss class run up excesses in the middle of harsh and painful negotiations. Hopefully future negotiations will benefit from the fear that employees will not always do ANYTHING to keep their ever downward spiraling jobs.

    51. Re:Stop renting DVD's by mspohr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "The CEO's pay had exactly nothing to do with the demise of the company..."

      I think this is the crux of the matter. The CEOs got their pay and bonuses and pay raises regardless of the outcome of the labor negotiations. They got this even if the company failed. The only thing they gave up was the right to loot the company for more dollars in the future but they probably figured that the company was done for and they couldn't get more out of it. They will happily move on to the next victim (see: Bain Capital).

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    52. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Myopic · · Score: 1

      "Maybe they thought having no job is better than a having a shitty job working for assholes, and that killing off a company that can't or won't take care of its employees is a message worth sending. If so I'd actually respect that, but I haven't seen that's how this is being reported."

      That's how I heard it reported: the union said, no, by 92% we prefer to go find new jobs than the shit jobs you are offering us. If that's the best you can do, then you can stuff it [Twinkies allusion].

    53. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The CEO's pay had exactly nothing to do with the demise of the company and is nothing but a red herring.

      Perhaps it should have.

    54. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Spazmania · · Score: 1, Troll

      Challenge accepted.

      Unemployment rates by state:
      http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

      Right to work states:
      http://www.nrtw.org/rtws.htm

      23 states are right to work. 27 states and DC are not.

      The average of the unemployment rates listed at your source for states designated right to work is 7.07%

      The average of the unemployment rates listed at your source for states NOT designated right to work is 7.82%

      Of the 25 states with the lowest unemployment, 13 are right to work states. Of the 25 states with the highest unemployment, 10 are right to work states.

      All five of the states with the lowest unemployment are right to work states and none of them see their primary income from tourism. Only two of the states with the highest unemployment are right to work states and one of them (Nevada) lives and dies on a tourism market that goes very soft in a bad economy.

      Correlation is not necessarily causation, but there IS a pretty clear correlation between right to work and lower unemployment.

      Got anything else to say clever guy?

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    55. Re:Stop renting DVD's by DreadPiratePizz · · Score: 2

      "Answer #1: Any professional with any ambition at all. Collective bargaining agreements are a noose around the neck of anybody with the ambition to better themselves."

      Bullshit. How do you figure? You are always free to negotiate yourself above and beyond what your union sets for everybody. I negotiate my salary myself on union jobs ALL THE TIME, and haven't worked for the union minimum in a long long time.

    56. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The CEO's pay had exactly nothing to do with the demise of the company and is nothing but a red herring."

      Bullshit, wingnut. I look forward to your employment demise. I'll happily piss all over you as you grovel in the street.

    57. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The pay cut they were trying to get the union to accept was 1% of their outstanding debt. That's probably almost how much influence it actually had on Hostess going out of business.

    58. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of nutbags start a job without the protection of a collective bargaining agreement?

      How about that, there is such a thing as a stupid question.

      And stupid answers. And stupid people!

      Answer #1: Any professional with any ambition at all. Collective bargaining agreements are a noose around the neck of anybody with the ambition to better themselves.

      And taking a job at a DVD store for any period of time shows what kind of ambition exactly?

      Answer #2: Any unskilled employee who'd like to have a paycheck if they live in a right to work state where "at will" employment predominates. Which unsurprisingly happens to be the states with the lowest unemployment rates right now.

      "At will" is evil.

    59. Re:Stop renting DVD's by RabidReindeer · · Score: 2

      So I guess the work rules that said that you had to have one guy on the truck to drive it, and another one on the truck to actually unload the truck and stock the shelves had nothing to do with it? Guess stocking the shelves requires such specialized training we can't expect drivers to figure it out. Or how about the rules that said that if you had cakes and breads going to the same location, you had to send two trucks, one for the cakes and one for the breads? Can't see how that would be an issue, either. How about the Forbes article from February which noted that Hostess had 372 separate collective bargaining agreements and 80 separate health and pension plans. Workers compensation costs for last year averaged out to $2700 for each of its 18K+ employees.
      Yes- management getting bonuses while the workers take it on the chin is scummy. Working for a struggling company when it is bought by a private-equity firm is almost always bad news.
      But why don't you look past your knee-jerk "it's the far right" response- there's plenty of blame to go around in this instance, and the unions are one of the prime reasons the Hostess workers no longer have jobs.

      Featherbedding is unquestionably one of the most notoriously offensive things about unions.

      On the other hand, if you want to see the opposite of featherbedding, look at (non-union) IT shops, where management wants the same person to be the apps developer, the DBA, the sysadmin, the network administrator and desktop support for 500+ users. For $18k annually, and no thought of a pension; if you can't build up an IRA out of your daily salary, then tough.

      Maybe, just maybe, the union reached the point where when their bluff was called, they were fed up enough not to fold. Sure, they lost their jobs. But they also let management everywhere know that you cannot ignore a strike with impunity even if you are willing to go nuclear.

      We have spent the last 30 years eroding labour (union or otherwise), with "labour" meaning anyone who hasn't been getting routine double-digit annual raises, 6-figure bonuses, more benefits for failure than most get for success, and not excluding "dollar-a-year" salaries but owning luxury cars and homes.

      While I hope I never have to work in a union shop myself, at some point, in some way, the 99% have to start seeing a return to prosperity, and a strike is better than a revolution.

      It's too early to say, but there's a distinct possibility that the Hostess affair may someday be quoted in the history ebooks as the point where the pendulum began to swing back.

    60. Re:Stop renting DVD's by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      I can see how that makes sense mathematically, however using that strategy also makes you come across as a greedy asshole to your subordinates. If you believe the only way to save the company is to get the employees to accept a paycut is acting in a way that makes your subordinates think you are a greedy asshole really the best idea?

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    61. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Judging by what happened to Hostess, anyone who actually wants to keep that job.

      You mean how Hostess tripled their CEO's pay and raised other exec's salaries, while cutting worker's pay and benefits?

      Stop drinking the far right's Kool Aid. It's not unions that are killing companies like Hostess, it's vulture capitalists.

      Perhaps you should stop drinking your own Kool Aid. The Baker's Union was told that if they continued to strike the company would fail. Not "we don't want to pay you more" but "the company will close and everyone will be out of work". Their response, even after the Teamsters agreed, was "up yours". Shockingly, the company closed. The Baker's Union was greedy and assumed the owners were lying to them. They weren't. End of Story.

      The CEO's pay had exactly nothing to do with the demise of the company and is nothing but a red herring.

      Actually the reason the bakers voted against the final offer was because the members would be making more on unemployment while looking for more work than they would have made under the new agreement. the only reason it was a close vote was because the older members wanted to keep the company going long enough to start collecting thier pensions. Side note: pensions are protected in the US by ERISA, so that the failure or bankruptcy of a company allows the company to shift the burden of paying the pension benefits to the US government, which is why some big companies with huge pension liabilities go through bankruptcy every so often.

    62. Re:Stop renting DVD's by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      ...actually, after hearing what kind of routine delivery drivers can be put through I don't think that a "2 men per truck" policy is a bad thing at all. Dispatch will inevitably try to overschedule the truck and the inevitable result will be a driver that is a menace to everyone else on the road. The health of the singular delivery driver will also likely suffer.

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    63. Re:Stop renting DVD's by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Informative

      > DVD Rental is dependant on the Movie Publishing houses wanting to rent DVD's and so allowing them to be licensed for rental.

      That is pure nonsense and the sort that should not be repeated on Slashdot.

      You have the right to dispose of your property as you please. You have first sale rights. These include DVDs. There is no "mythical implied license".

      That's why physical media distributors are still in a better position relative to big content. Warner Brothers can't tell you that you're not allowed to rent their movie. They can tell you that you aren't allowed to stream their movies anymore.

      If you can buy it, then you can rent it.

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    64. Re:Stop renting DVD's by mjwx · · Score: 1

      The CEO's pay had exactly nothing to do with the demise of the company and is nothing but a red herring.

      Riiiiiight,

      CEO's have nothing to do with companies failing.

      They were giving exec's pay rises when they couldn't sort out a labour dispute. That has everything to do with why the company failed. Not unions, it demonstrates a culture of corruption and ignorance at the highest levels.

      But nice try to blame unions.

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    65. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Formalin · · Score: 1

      Which unsurprisingly happens to be the states with the lowest unemployment rates right now.

      Coincidentally, they also have the lowest wages, and the lowest quality of life.

    66. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a horrible baker/chef and even I can make fucking bread. How much protection do they really need when anyone can make bread?

    67. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6.5% deviation from a normal distribution is pretty much noise. Hardly a 'clear correlation'.

    68. Re:Stop renting DVD's by atriusofbricia · · Score: 1

      The CEO's pay had exactly nothing to do with the demise of the company and is nothing but a red herring.

      Riiiiiight,

      CEO's have nothing to do with companies failing.

      Unless they're sucking up so much money that the company is actually unable to function, it has exactly nothing to do with the failure. For instance, in a 100 billion dollar company if the CEO is making 10 - 100 million bucks it isn't likely to cause a failure of the company. On the other hand, one of the most critical sets of employees throwing a hissy fit and walking of the job even when they're told that doing so will kill the company is just a bit different and is far more likely the direct cause.

      They were giving exec's pay rises when they couldn't sort out a labour dispute. That has everything to do with why the company failed. Not unions, it demonstrates a culture of corruption and ignorance at the highest levels.

      But nice try to blame unions.

      The executives received a pay raise near the same time. Whether it was exactly the same time or not I don't know off hand. What I do know for an absolute fact is that those pay raises aren't what killed the company. The bakers walking off the job and striking, even when the Teamsters had enough sense to make a deal, killed the company. When the bloody Teamsters are saying that your, the Bakers, union just hosed it up for everyone I'm pretty sure we can blame them.

      But no, insist that the union who was warned of impending doom had little to nothing to do with the demise of the company. It was all because of the evil CEOs and their evil evil actions.

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    69. Re:Stop renting DVD's by fruitbane · · Score: 1

      You are right. The executives giving themselves massive raises as the company's finances circled the drain (some amidst the bankruptcy filing) was indeed a case of short-sighted people thinking they deserved something the company couldn't afford.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/16/gregory-rayburn-raise_n_2147043.html
      With corrections to some of the incorrect, inflated numbers floating around Facebook.

    70. Re:Stop renting DVD's by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Their response, even after the Teamsters agreed, was "up yours". Shockingly, the company closed. The Baker's Union was greedy and assumed the owners were lying to them. They weren't. End of Story.

      I dunno... I am sure the bakers union has members in other shops. Perhaps the death of Hostess was to set an example for the other companies they are dealing with, "Yes, we will kill you if you do not take us seriously."

      Really, Hostess was going to die one way or another: The execs were giving themselves huge amounts of money when the company could not afford it. What do YOU think was going to happen?

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    71. Re:Stop renting DVD's by adolf · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up, please. There is generally nothing restricting me (as an individual, or as a business) from renting out anything that I own to others, from my DVD collection to my empty beer bottles, to the sad pile of VHS and Laserdisc movies that I still have.

      (Except for computer software which, for some reason, has been declared special by an act of Congress. (And yes, I'm old enough to remember renting PC software from the "video store" before this happened.))

    72. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called a collective bargaining agreement because the workers form a collective and bargain with the owners of the company; an agreement between owners and the workers' collective may never happen. I find it funny how few people here have any idea what they are talking about, but still want to offer an irrelevant and erroneous opinion as if it were fact. But, don't feel bad, you're post was the only one that was worthy of anything more than a snort. You actually garnered a response. Some of these others posts are a joke.

      Your ideas about capitalism are wrong as well. Where did you kids learn this bs?

    73. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Dodgy+G33za · · Score: 1

      "For instance, in a 100 billion dollar company if the CEO is making 10 - 100 million bucks"

      You are comparing applies to pineapples. The former would be market capitalisation. The latter would be coming straight out of operating expenses, and therefore directly changing the profit/loss.

      I know nothing about this particular dispute, but any management who take big pay rises while trying to screw workers (and let's face it there is no shortage of examples) will be completely screwing morale. Given this, I don't see how you can state as an absolute fact that the two are unrelated. Maybe if the top dogs had shown restraint, or, god forbid, taken a pay cut, the workers would have been a little bit more predisposed to be reasonable.

      And lets face it, when times are good executives are fond of telling people that the success of the company is all down to them, so why shouldn't they take the rap when things go pear shaped. It is, after all, their job to manage the company.

    74. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Dodgy+G33za · · Score: 1

      Fuck me, the corporate propagandists have really got the US sown up haven't they? I have always wondered how seemingly intelligent people can be so hoodwinked.

      You could really do with reading some Noam Chomsky, "Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media" would be a good start.

    75. Re:Stop renting DVD's by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      Because as soon as you start making an ass of yourself by using strong arm tactics with unions, rather than just talking to management, and working things out with them; management see you as a person who can't be trusted, and will strong arm their way into anything. Then you don't get promoted ;)

    76. Re:Stop renting DVD's by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      The executives received a pay raise near the same time. Whether it was exactly the same time or not I don't know off hand. What I do know for an absolute fact is that those pay raises aren't what killed the company. The bakers walking off the job and striking, even when the Teamsters had enough sense to make a deal, killed the company. When the bloody Teamsters are saying that your, the Bakers, union just hosed it up for everyone I'm pretty sure we can blame them.

      Execs get pay raise -> everyone else wants pay raise -> everyone else strikes until they get it -> execs say "but the company will fail" -> everyone else goes "bullshit, you just got a pay raise, clearly the company is healthy" -> the company fails.

      The execs getting a pay raise is very much what caused the failure, because it's what caused people to think that the company was in a position where it could afford to give out pay raises.

    77. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The CEO's pay had exactly nothing to do with the demise of the company..."

      I think this is the crux of the matter. The CEOs got their pay and bonuses and pay raises regardless of the outcome of the labor negotiations. They got this even if the company failed. The only thing they gave up was the right to loot the company for more dollars in the future but they probably figured that the company was done for and they couldn't get more out of it. They will happily move on to the next victim (see: Bain Capital).

      Yup. Businesses are not here to give you a job, they are here to make money for their owners. In this case, the owners are the shareholders. The board of investors says "We need a good CEO. Let's pay top dollar so we get a good one, and offer him a package so that he'll stick around even if the profits look like shit." You people need to stop the mouth-breathing rhetoric and look at who is actually responsible for the company's demise. The Union was not interested in the long-term viability of the company any more than the CEO, Execs, or investors were. They are just as much "In it for #1" as the rest, and THAT is the problem. Everybody, the Union included, looked at the company as owing them something- a job, a paycheck, etc. I don't notice the Union Execs volunteering to take a pay cut in order to give back some of the collected Dues to the workers either.

    78. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Jhon · · Score: 1

      "You mean how Hostess tripled their CEO's pay and raised other exec's salaries, while cutting worker's pay and benefits? "

      You mean how their union was demanding different product be placed in separate vans when going to supply stores?

      There's blame to go around here. If you claim the CEOs pulled the trigger, the union was driving the getaway car.

    79. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the "right to work" states tend to have higher unemployment and poverty.

      http://neatoday.org/2012/08/14/right-to-work-laws-increase-poverty-decrease-productivity/

    80. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Walter+White · · Score: 1

      If you can buy it, then you can rent it.

      I watched the Blu-Ray version of "Snow White and the Huntsman" a couple days ago. I don't usually watch the extra content on the disk but I did try to look at some of it on this disk. I found instead of extra content a message that told me to buy the retail version of the title if I wanted to view any of the extras.

      I'm left wondering if that is a result of a cut rate deal between Netflix and the studio or if it is part of a licensing issue. I should probaby report the disk as defective because the extra content was missing just to see how Netflix would respond.

    81. Re:Stop renting DVD's by tofarr · · Score: 1

      You can bet that there hasn't been a salary negotiation since the dawn of time when management hasn't said that if they have to pay employees more, then the company will fail. In most cases, it is pure FUD.

    82. Re:Stop renting DVD's by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      The company had been in and out of bankruptcy already, and other articles point out that the company - let alone the Hostess brand - missed the trends to "healthier" snacks. (No way to make Twinkies healthier, but they could have come out with whole-grain oatmeal cookies or something too.)

      The CEO's pay matters because it shows how the board of directors think. If the company is failing, and workers are being asked for givebacks, and the CEO is NOT coming out with brilliant ideas that turn the company around - but is getting paid more in cash anyway - (as opposed to, say, stock options that will reward improvement over time), there's a clear message that the leadership of the company is cashing in short-term and not planning to have a future.

      The brand names and recipes will probably be sold, and someone else will make the products or something like them. Somewhere else, in a different factory, with different workers.

    83. Re:Stop renting DVD's by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      You didn't address the challenge. The claim was these low unemployment states have low wages and quality of life. I don't know about that, glancing at the list didn't see my least favorite states having super low unemployment. I will tell you one thing, I wouldn't want to live in the dakotas right now no matter how low their unemployment is. The cost of living there is staggering, and there is a huge imbalance in the ratio of men to women.

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    84. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $18k annually? Where the hell do you work? That's just sad and you must be terrible at what you 'do'.

    85. Re:Stop renting DVD's by HeckRuler · · Score: 1
      Your facts are probably true. But I'd say you're jumping to conclusions. 0.8% difference between the two systems when the range is from 3 to 11 isn't much. What's your error band?
      (And you know the reason that NV is so high is because of Vegas, right? They have a system of hiring stage crew and backup singers for semi-permanent gigs which come and go all the time. That and it's a big boom or bust town. When times are good, people go gamble. When times are bad, it's nice to know that most people cut back on the trips to Vegas. Sucks for the kids growing up in Vegas though. But anyway, there are real-world reasons for statistical trends. )

      Of the 25 states with the lowest unemployment, 13 are right to work states.

      Another way of saying that would be HALF. (depending on how you round it)
      So, you know, facts and figures are a good thing. But they don't particularly leap up and put your opponent in a full nelson. Declaring that there's a "clear correlation" is probably what got your your troll mod.
      That or you pissed in the union guy's cornflakes.

    86. Re:Stop renting DVD's by OurDailyFred · · Score: 1

      Judging by what happened to Hostess, anyone who actually wants to keep that job.

      I read somewhere that Hostess was ruined by a bunch of mostly Ding-Dongs and Twinkies. Word is there was at least one Ho in the building, but more likely two Hos. If so, no wonder they got in financial trouble. I heard one guy say they didn't have a Snowball's chance.

      Maybe I should pay better attention.

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    87. Re:Stop renting DVD's by doccus · · Score: 1

      The Baker's Union was told that if they continued to strike the company would fail.

      Twinkies are baked? Like real food?

    88. Re:Stop renting DVD's by doccus · · Score: 1

      It's not about the amount of money.. of *course* the amount of the CEO's wage increase wouldn't have bankrupted the company..Rather, it's about a corporate culture that rewards incompetence and a management style that cares not a whit about how bad these decisions appear to the rank and file.. It's like an iceberg.. the small amount of what you see of it (a completely unwarranted wage increase) , is indicative of far more serious mismanagement, and complete lack of trust from those in the trenches, of upper management,.. If the baker's union trusted a single word management had told them, perhaps they would have relented, and the company survived another day..

    89. Re:Stop renting DVD's by BigDogCH · · Score: 1

      "Coincidentally, they also have the lowest wages, and the lowest quality of life."

      I think he said it pretty good. Does the average wage make up for the 0.75%? Quality of life? ND is number one in your book....ever tried living there? I have. Not again.

    90. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      So $1.2M salary divided 18,500 ways... Or approximately $65 per employee, per year? I'm certain that would make a dent. Of course you apparently didn't read the article or you would have noted Rayburn actually did chop his salary up 18,500 ways when he set his salary at $1 in response to critics.

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    91. Re:Stop renting DVD's by servant · · Score: 1

      I just hope he is in a 'right to work' state. Then there is still probably still a notice required, but shutting down a business is probably not against the law in any case... check out the Twinkies makers who are closing their doors because of overbearing union in a market AND lack of growing customer demand.

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    92. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Getting a movie on a silver platter is still the only way to easily get movies for many outside of the US, especially if you want HD. Here in New Zealand there are no online services that will work with set top boxes, so you have to watch downloads on a computer. Most people have low caps, so if you only have 20gb a month, you probably aren't going to blow it on 4 hi def movies.
      My advice, look to become a cinema, aim for small scale private screening parties. Male your shop a movie buff destination. Sell memorabilia and merchandising. Realise you aren't going to make the most of your money renting out those disks anymore.

    93. Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tom Swiss if you spent half as much time studying business and economics as you have spent studying Buddha you would realize the reason the CEO was granted the salary he asked for BECAUSE of the unions. Hostess had 7 CEOs during in the last decade. Why did they keep leaving? Surely not all of them were incompetent? Because it was an impossible job! Why would I want to go be the CEO of Hostess only to end up with a failure on my resume. If you want me to be the CEO of a hopeless company you better pay me well.

      Learning a little math might help as well. The CEO's salary was insignificant compared with the $2,700 per year benefits x 18,000 employees = $48.6 Million.

      Finally, stop hating. There is no reason to call other people names, e.g. "far right" or "vulture capitalists". Is that what you learned from all your study of Buddhism?

  4. Turn it into a Bed Bath & Beyond and sell Coas by Press2ToContinue · · Score: 1

    Nice, shiny coasters.

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  5. Honestly none by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't see any relevance, sorry. I agree the end is near for your friend. I have many digital services or dvd by mail services and do not need the hassle of a brick & mortar.

    Unless you had a bar, I dont understand what value could be added to renting films on any medium.

  6. He should shut it down. by StormyWeather · · Score: 0

    He's making wagon wheels in the age of the automobile. He is going to either have to shut it down or become a retailer in a successful retail market (difficult). I just laid off two employees and let go of half my customers because it just wasn't the success I tried a year and a half to achieve. I'm not stopping my entrepreneurial drive I'm just going to do something different.

    I really hate yo say that because there are great entrepreneurs in that industry, but reality is reality. Maybe your friend could do a hobby/games shop? He could transition his current store to that gradually perhaps as DVDs become obsolete.

  7. Start offering video download ... by fasuin · · Score: 1

    or sell the shop :)

    1. Re:Start offering video download ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      or sell the shop :)

      No one would buy it.

  8. Access to rental history by EriDay · · Score: 1

    I don't remember titles that well. One of the things I like about Netflix is to know if I have viewed a title previously and if I liked it. See http://movielens.umn.edu/html/tour/index.html for an idea of what your friend should be doing.

  9. Well... by caution+live+frogs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only possible way to survive is to develop a niche. Streaming services are usually pretty good for recent movies, but a lot of back catalogue stuff is hard to find. Specialize in the stuff that's out of print, rare, etc. But really, I'm hard-pressed to see how that business model would be sustainable as a primary income source in most communities. There simply isn't enough demand for the content, especially given the huge amount of material available through Netflix's mail catalogue.

    1. Re:Well... by fiziko · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mod parent up.

      This is exactly what I was going to say. Provide movies that can't be downloaded. One point I'd add though: get to know your catalog and know how to help customers choose movies they'd enjoy. Some online recommendation programs work well, but others don't. If you know a lot about film, you can help people find movies they love that they'd never heard of, which will help promote repeat business.

      The difficult part is starting now. Odds are, your friend has already seen a dropoff. (Though, frankly, your friend must run a good store if he's still in business at all.) It may be difficult to buy enough titles to diversify the catalog enough to keep things going. I'd suggest starting with Criterion Collection and Kino-Lorber titles. Criterion are more expensive but have strong brand recognition. Kino Video has weaker brand recognition but lower prices, and often do great work restoring copyright expired titles. (Just check out their silent library, such as the Art of Buster Keaton box set.)

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    2. Re:Well... by NEDHead · · Score: 1

      Betamax

    3. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll second this. While all the Blockbuster Video rental shops and like have have closed around here, the little unique DVD rental shop down the shop has thrived. You won't find the latest big-budget movies there to rent but only weird and niche-y type DVDs. They also seem big on foreign and anime DVDs.

    4. Re:Well... by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Streaming services are usually pretty good for recent movies,

      What streaming services, exactly, and "pretty good for recent movies"? I've tried Netflix, and their service is abysmal. I'm serious, because I still rent a lot of DVD's from Netflix, because I can't find a decent streaming service.

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    5. Re:Well... by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful
      This seems awfully risky, since there is nothing stopping netflix or amazon from licensing any particular catalogue of movies at any time. Will there still be movies available on DVD but unavailable via streaming even five years from now?

      .

      Moreover the business strategy of serving the long tails as you suggested requires a vast catalog, which places the fixed expense of physical media at a big immediate disadvantage.

    6. Re:Well... by guises · · Score: 2

      Foreign films - incensing for streaming in different countries is often complicated, but as long as the DVD is available for your region then you can always rent it out.

    7. Re:Well... by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 1

      Also, incredibly bad movies always have a certain public. Reserve a section for classics like Plan 9 and forgotten gems like Starcrash. A DVD store will never be the most pratical place to get movies, so make it the best place for people to know new movies they might enjoy.

      Know that anything you do is only a stopgap, though. The above idea might work for a while, while everyone still has DVD players, but that'll change soon enough.

    8. Re:Well... by dubbreak · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ding ding ding ding ding. We have a winner.

      Seriously.

      The ONLY video store I know that is still successful specializes in difficult to find material. The kicker is all their staff are avid film and movie fans and can recommend films you haven't seen, "Oh you like that director? Have you seen his little known release X? What about this director from a decade prior that was his main influence?"

      Personally I think it would be cool if rental places could do a beer growler style service. You bring a flash drive in, they drop a 1080P film on it of your choice. I like my movies in HD, but I'm no fan of BR. Of course DRM and the MPAA stands between that ever realistically happening. Why would I want such a service rather than online or a kiosk? Aside from online DL speed being slow on low compression HD videos (especially less popular ones), the same reason the as above. So I can have a human help me select something. That's where the value is added.

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    9. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or provide movies that can be downloaded but partner with the local pizza place. Suddenly you can order pizza and a movie and get it delivered to your door in a shorter or equivalent time that the download takes.
      Now the customer only have to visit one page to save the evening instead of two.
      Add an option to buy the movie instead of renting it and the customer won't have to make the trip to return it.

      Providing better service than the competition is another way to stay relevant, you don't really have to niche yourself.

    10. Re:Well... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      That is a long tail kind of market, and brick and mortar retail is generally incompatible with filling long tail demand, unless you have a very large, dense city where you can find a customer base for niche items.

    11. Re:Well... by Spazmania · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yep. Create a niche.

      For example, Netflix has done a poor job with their Anime catalog. If you have a local demand for that genre there will be a couple stores who sell Anime DVDs alongside other Anime products. But most folks are happy to rent a disc for $2 rather than buy it for $20.

      Create a web site linking your inventory. Allow customers to reserve and pay for disc rentals on the web site and then pick them up on the way home instead of having to hang around the store and either stand in the checkout line or find all copies of the desired movie out of stock.

      The web inventory also allows you to warehouse less popular titles so that they're available but don't consume retail space. Long tail stuff.

      Also start a policy: any disc you don't have in stock, you'll buy and rent out upon customer request. Only deal is the customer has to prepay the minimum rental before you'll order it. Place like Netflix can't handle that. They can stock a disc or not, but they can't have just one ad-hoc copy.

      There's also a decent niche for buying and selling used DVDs instead of renting them. Sell that new movie for $20 and it's a guaranteed buyback at $18 if they return it in acceptable condition by the end of the week. After that you'll buy it at market value. This works decently well for video games too.

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    12. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes 100% correct. We have a dvd store here that is surviving. Not the way rental stores in th 90s did, but it is doing fine. The solution was to stock cult films and rare documentaries. It helps that we have a university blocks away, but find local groups and tailor it to them. For example if you have an outdoor club offer movies from the banff film festival. Our local dvd store does well by not having late fees unless the video is reserved and by targeting univeristy classes that offer film related classes such as documentary filmmaking in the english deparment, video journalism classes and cultural anthropology classes.

      Documentaries and nonfiction are great targets because even some very famously referenced films are actually difficult to find.

    13. Re:Well... by tocs · · Score: 1

      I think the developing a niche (offering something besides the most recent main stream movies) and maybe offer coffee and a place to sit and watch a movie.

    14. Re:Well... by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      The answer is no ; DVD is a digital media. As bandwidth improves, delivering any kind of data on stamped plastic disks just isn't going to cut it. Even if you build a stock of DVDs that are rare, renting them out physically can be trumped by anyone else with a computer and an internet connection.

      There's no way he'll get an agreement to stream rare DVDs to anyone - the major labels aren't going to allow it, and any minor label will just think "Hmm, that's a good idea" and do it themselves.

    15. Re:Well... by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      The ONLY video store I know that is still successful specializes in difficult to find material

      ...and the two video shops I know that attempted this model, complete with clever staff, also failed. The market pool simply isn't big enough.

    16. Re:Well... by V-similitude · · Score: 1

      Try amazon video streaming rentals. I used to keep a netflix disc account for the same reason, but I only really had time to watch 3-4 a month (for which I paid $12/mo to have at least some selection of 2 discs at any time). So I recently switched to amazon rentals. Now I have massive selection at $3-4 a pop instead of "unlimited" physical rentals. Ultimately, I'm paying about the same per month on average, and have way better selection - in so far as not having to choose 3 days in advance. YMMV obviously, depending how many discs you actually manage to watch per month from netflix.

      In my experience Amazon Prime unlimited streaming is roughly on par with Netflix (though I prefer Netflix's audio dynamic range, and greater selection of videos with subtitles). But Amazon's rental selection (not unlimited streaming) is very broad, possibly better than Netflix's disc selection for new stuff (but not as good for older stuff).

    17. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. Turn it into a coffee shop with free wifi. And then rent two redbox machines so people can still rent DVDs there.

    18. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up.

      This is exactly what I was going to say. Provide movies that can't be downloaded.

      If there's one thing I miss about my local Blockbusters (which have long since closed down) is that they did have a large collection of obscure films that to this day are still not available on Netflix. Stuff I never got around to watching then and now I have no choice but to buy a copy, except that I never buy a movie I haven't already seen once as I don't know if it will be worth repeat viewings, so more likely these films will just get torrent'd.

    19. Re:Well... by green1 · · Score: 1

      If only that were the case... A license for renting out the movie is probably just as hard to get as a license to stream it. Just because the DVD is available in your region, doesn't mean you're allowed to show it to others. Further, the biggest problem with foreign films is the DVD usually ISN'T available in your region, in fact streaming services are sometimes more likely to be able to get a license than someone who wants to buy just a handful of rental DVDs. (the studio likely sees it as a better payback than stamping custom DVDs)

    20. Re:Well... by green1 · · Score: 1

      Providing better service than the competition is another way to stay relevant, you don't really have to niche yourself.

      I'd argue that this is a niche, but it sounds like a very good one. By partnering with a product that can't be downloaded (pizza) and is often consumed in conjunction with your movies, you could make quite the business. The return part is a little tricky though, and I don't know that your purchase option is really right. The difference between what people expect to pay for a rental, vs the price they expect to pay for a purchase is pretty large these days, going purchase only would probably price you out of the market when compared to download services.
      Considering the vast number of "give up" comments on here, it's good to see one with a truly innovative suggestion.

    21. Re:Well... by esldude · · Score: 1

      This is the kind of thinking that might work. Obviously, buggy whips is an apt comparison. You do need either your own niche, and unless in a huge market you probably still can't make it work. But creative combinations of a new product or service, only part of which is the DVD is what will work. Pizza and DVD might work as would others. Basically you still are going to morph your business from DVD rental to something else. Either DVD plus something or something altogether different. You might recognize it when you see it. And until you do, you will possibly think,....hmmm I can't think of anything so it cannot be done.

    22. Re:Well... by esldude · · Score: 1

      Vudu is another good option. More current choices than Netflix. Seems in my area they use less compression or do it better than Amazon. They claim to get new movies the same day as DVD is released. Amazon isn't too far behind though. Either service seems better than Netflix on anything other than old TV shows. Vudu isn't a subscription service. You merely pay for what you watch as a rental. Though on some movies they offer a buy option.

    23. Re:Well... by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      Well, in the US no license is required for the owner of a lawfully made copy to rent that copy. If a video store buys an ordinary retail copy of a DVD from Amazon or what have you, they can rent it. This is at 17 USC 109.

      Of course, this is currently under attack in the Kirtsaeng case, so we'll find out in a few months whether this continues to hold true.

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    24. Re:Well... by Yomers · · Score: 1

      Provide movies that can't be downloaded.

      *AA wet dream came true, at last somebody invented movies that can not be downloaded? I was unaware of that.

    25. Re:Well... by Yomers · · Score: 1

      Try thepiratebay.se, they are pretty good.

    26. Re:Well... by fiziko · · Score: 1

      By "can't be downloaded," I meant "can't be legally downloaded." Either way, it's the service and knowledge that makes the difference.

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    27. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My local video store has films on DVD that I cannot find to stream to my home. When Netflix had their old US Mail model, their entire catalog was available. Now, the streaming part of their model consists of films I don't care to see at all, and they want me to pay extra to get at the interesting parts of their catalog. No thanks.

    28. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hulu has the Criterion Collection available online for free.

    29. Re:Well... by fiziko · · Score: 1

      Ah. As a Canadian, I don't have (legal) access to Hulu or the Hulu library.

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    30. Re:Well... by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      I think I remember something about "small town" and "rural" market. You can forget niche unless that niche is a one-stop-shop for porn, buggy whips and beer.

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    31. Re:Well... by Etcetera · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Vudu seems to have gotten a more complete back catalog in some segments... (Random live action Disney movie from the 60's? It's probably on there.)

      Between Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, Vudu, and CinemaNow, there's a lot out there...

    32. Re:Well... by drkstr1 · · Score: 1

      Include a prepaid envelope for the return? It's like the original Netflix, but without all the waiting, and pizza. Pizza idea FTW.

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    33. Re:Well... by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      >Mod parent up.
      >Provide movies that can't be downloaded.

      He is already modded to max. I second to provide movies that cannot be downloaded, heck provide movies that are no longer available, and there's a lot of them out there. There have been some fully produced films with major stars but pulled from circulation either right before or shortly after (either by a lawsuit or it became politically incorrect). There are also huge number of performers from singers to comedians to magicians that performed on variety shows from Jack Paar to Phil Donahue but much of this footage is lost, it is either in the vaults (that will never be re-leased or on a VHS from a 16mm telecine transfer sitting in someone's basement).

      "Pirates" can provide movies either for download or sales, which many are simply not available from legitimate sources because there is not enough financial incentive to release (not enough buyers to make it worthwhile). But there are some fiercely dedicated fans and "non-official" sources can fill this need. However, this leads to problems with a jihad against piracy so some of these fan favorites or cult classics go underground. So there are some interesting movies but you either have to specifically know the person (or some guy with a long coat in a dark alley, "You want rare movie, talk show? Come, I show you. Very good. Nice price!") Yes, you readers can pick up my frustrations because I see a lot of excellent films and compelling documentaries becoming lost.

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    34. Re:Well... by Paul+Slocum · · Score: 1

      Agreed, maybe start by looking at some successful examples:

      http://www.iluvvideo.com/

      http://www.scarecrow.com/

    35. Re:Well... by Kevin108 · · Score: 1

      Niche is the secret. In Norfolk, VA there's a place called Naro Expanded Video. I've only been in there once but I was incredibly surprised than in 2005 I could walk in and buy a like-new copy of Mickey's Christmas Carol (albeit on VHS) from 1983. I believe it was finally released on DVD in 2009.

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    36. Re:Well... by Myopic · · Score: 2

      Indeed. Compare that concept to the concept of vinyl record stores. I'm not into vinyl; most people aren't into vinyl; but you can stake out the niche if you are competent and persistent. But if I had to advise the average video store owner, it would be to pack up and find a new store to open.

    37. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Internet access, for most people, is not free. For some people at the moment, it's actually becoming a bit more expensive. He has to have a value proposition such that he is at least competitive with downloads, but he can never compete with ALL downloads, so I agree with him being a niche marketer. To do that he has to forget about what he is interested in and find out what people who can drive to his store are interested in; he has to know his local market. It would also be great if people didn't need to return the DVDs; after all the media are pretty cheap nowadays. If he can make it optional, he can still call it a rental business.

    38. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ones that charge by the movie, just like DVD rental places do - iTunes, Amazon, etc.

    39. Re:Well... by jjsimp · · Score: 1

      This is the only solution if you wanna stay in the movie rental business. Pizza, a movie, drinks (alcoholic and non-alcoholic), and even movie theater popcorn delivered to the house. You may wanna even include some of your healthier options, salads, wraps, etc. Have a mailer to return the movie to the store, and make sure you can order all from the web.

    40. Re:Well... by jjsimp · · Score: 1

      In addition you could turn you store into a pizza and a movie business. With Individual booths with a home theater built in. Atleast have a large projection screen with a bunch of tables to view new releases on and order and enjoy a meal while watching a movie.

    41. Re:Well... by crossmr · · Score: 1

      This is exactly what I was going to say. Provide movies that can't be downloaded.

      If you can buy it, 99.9999999999999% chance someone has ripped it and put it up for download.
      Usually it's only not ripped if it's extremely extremely obscure to the degree, that no one has heard of it outside of some tiny circle of people which means it probably wouldn't even make it to that kind of store, or it sucks so bad that no one would ever possibly want to consume it. Even those usually end up ripped at some point.

    42. Re:Well... by prograde · · Score: 1

      ...and have knowledgeable staff, who can respond to a customer who says, "I really liked this one, do you have any more that are similar?" (even if they're just plugging the title into an online service). Customer service is the main difference between B&M vs online.

    43. Re:Well... by vicm3 · · Score: 1

      Anime stream is covered now with Crunchyroll but still some titles are region locked.

    44. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True - or the opposte: have a lot of copies of recent releases. Netflix has actually lost so many partners they rarely have most new releases, just old ones and TV shows.

      However, the model may work. Here in suburban Maryland I know of a store that specializes in French movies/TV shows and one that only rents Hong Kong cinema. Lots of international food stores have sections devoted to media from the home country. However, that may require a wider inventory that could be expensive to acquire.

    45. Re:Well... by dubbreak · · Score: 1

      Depends on market entirely. The store I was referring to is in Victoria (I'm assuming you are from Vancouver). I'd think in the right area of Vancouver it could work. Would it work in Surrey, Langley, Ladner, PoCo? Doubtful. You need to be in a cool area with people who are into that sort of thing.

      I think part of the success of Pic-a-flic is location (Cook St Village). Plenty of University students and artsy types in that area. It's also how long they have been around, so they already had a big client base and didn't have to start from nothing getting their name out there.

      It's definitely not a business I'd get into. They had a combination of factors that have kept them alive (for now), but I think even their days must be numbered.

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    46. Re:Well... by dubbreak · · Score: 1

      Actually.. selling vinyl as well would be pretty cool. Video store / record store. I'd hit that up in a second. I buy vinyl (there are a few successful vinyl shops in town) and I might be tempted to rent a physical disc if I was out record shopping.

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    47. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of your suggestions just don't work....but thanks for trying. Buying a movie copy that may rent only once is not cost effective. Additionally, the buy and rent concept sounds good 'on paper' but doesn't work in actuality; loss of valuable rental time makes the idea null and void unless the buyback is very, very low.

  10. Volume and newest titles vs boutique by spineboy · · Score: 1

    People often change their minds, and are inspired to see other films when browsing. Having said that, The biggest advantage the online destinations have vs a brick and motar physical store is volume, and you can't compete with that.

    The latest movies - sure you can get that. I think the real question for financial success is to offer a "flavor" or style, that isn't generated by an endless catalog, because you just have to get the people who are there, rent what you have, and be happy about it. They have to see what you have, and think "Hey that looks cool/good! I want to watch that." Even if it's an older movie.

    I think people who are leaving a store don't know what they want, and can't make up their minds, or aren't inspired by anything they've seen. I think what you're aiming for is a niche destination. It can never compete on a sheer volume of scale with Netflix, or other services, but it will need to offer something that captures, and rewards a certain group of people. Somewhat like Starbucks vs the local coffee shop.

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    1. Re:Volume and newest titles vs boutique by middlemen · · Score: 1

      Actually, depending on how much floor space your friend has he can open a coffee shop first. Then add a Red Box or similar DVD rental kiosks. Maybe add other types of kiosks too thus forcing people to come in. With the volume of folks coming in your coffee shop can make some good money Another thing that can be added is kids stuff like book reading, movie watching sessions and the likes. Reinvention is necessary to keep up with the times.

    2. Re:Volume and newest titles vs boutique by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      Or, to sumarize it... Enter another business line, and use the DVD rentals to bootstrap that other business.

      I agree, that seems to be the best option available for him.

  11. DVD re-winding service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Offer free DVD re-winding for the returned movies.

  12. Re:value of time? by davmoo · · Score: 2

    Obviously you are totally unaware that there are legal and reliable sites that make movies available online. Let's start with Netflix and Amazon, two services you apparently don't know about.

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  13. Re:Turn it into a Bed Bath & Beyond and sell C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...with hookers and blackjack....

  14. Not much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't be a DVD rental store.

    This is like asking what buggywhip manufacturers can do to stay relevant. Not much other than get in a different business.

  15. Re:value of time? by fiziko · · Score: 1

    You do realize that legally downloading movies is an option, right? iTunes, Amazon Prime, Netflix...

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  16. Best of luck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think your friend needs to target movie audiences that like movies. Don't confuse those customers with customers who are just using movies to pass the time. Also, try and cater to an older crowd.

    Some movies are harder than others to find a good torrent for. A lot of this stuff is indy. Rent things that are harder to download.

    Blurays take way longer to download. Those who rent blurays are likely not to mouth off to your friend about downloading, which is a pretty rude thing to do.

    Rent games and consoles, especially retro stuff that isn't commonly available.

    These guys are my favorite movie rental place.
    http://www.libertyhall.net/

    Click on the video link on the left to see what they carry. They show no signs of slowing down business.

    1. Re:Best of luck. by green1 · · Score: 1

      The older crowd sounds like a good idea, while university students love technology and will download anything, people in their 60s-80s simply don't. They're comfortable with the old way of doing things. They also tend to watch different types of movies than the younger generations, stock the movies these people like, and advertise in places these people are, and you could well hang on for another decade or so without much of a change in business plan. Obviously this is a stop gap measure, but it should buy a fair amount of time (The summary doesn't say how much time he needs, I'm sure he plans to retire eventually, if that's in 5 years, this is probably great, if it's still 35 years away, then he'll still need to find something else in the future)

    2. Re:Best of luck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't speak for all us youngsters. I'm 22 and frequently buy/rent DVD's, I simply hate downloading and streaming. Something I can hold in my hands simply feels better to me. So please guys, not all of us are into Tech that can be taken away at the flip of a switch.

    3. Re:Best of luck. by green1 · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't speak for all us youngsters

      It's impossible to speak for every member of any group larger than one. However I believe the general concept still stands. Older people use less tech, and are less comfortable with it, younger people use more tech and are more comfortable with it, some exceptions do apply

      . So please guys, not all of us are into Tech that can be taken away at the flip of a switch.

      While I can understand a desire to hold the physical object, from the stand point of "can be taken away at the flip of a switch", what difference does it make if it's just a rental? The whole point being that it's gone tomorrow anyway.

      As for purchasing, that's one of the biggest arguments against most DRM schemes. Don't pretend you've sold me something if you can still take it away later against my will. This is also one (not the only) reason why pirated material remains popular, Pirates know that once they have the file, they can use or store it however they want.

  17. Re:Suicide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Retrain as a cobbler or lift-boy.

  18. Game Sales/Rentals? by p0p0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    All the video rental shops are closed, taking the video game rentals with them. I miss being able to rent a game instead of outright buying it. May not be a big enough market though.

    Buying and reselling used games that don't cost as much as their brand new counterparts is something that people are sorely in need of. Maybe credits for game rentals with a trade-in instead of cash?
    Even if you don't charge much less, charging $20-25 for a used game opposed to the $40-50 EB and Gamestop charge might drive some business away from them and towards your friend.

    1. Re:Game Sales/Rentals? by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      Gamefly is to game rental stores what netflix is to video rentals.

    2. Re:Game Sales/Rentals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps renting the hardware. People always need extra controllers, or maybe to rent a system for a lan party. Here at my university there is always a waiting list to borrow the consoles.

    3. Re:Game Sales/Rentals? by extra88 · · Score: 1

      Redbox does games as well as movies now. As with movies, it's only the newest and most popular ones.

    4. Re:Game Sales/Rentals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We rent games at Redbox all of the time

  19. Rentable custom DVDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just watched all the Warehouse 13 I could on Netflix. I want to watch more, and I'm willing to pay to do it. What I'm not willing to do is watch a single commercial. Hulu-- even their paid version-- is thus out. I'd like to call up a local video store and order up a custom disc for pickup like I'm ordering a pizza. "Hey, yeah... I'd like the current episodes of Warehouse 13 season 4, starting at episode 1. Oh, and the same with Castle, season... uh, which season is Castle on now? 5? Yeah, thanks. All of those. An hour? I'll see you then. Thanks."

    I'm sure there are a thousand reasons why this would be difficult or impossible, but that's what I'd pay a DVD store for. Somebody make it happen!

    1. Re:Rentable custom DVDs by green1 · · Score: 1

      The problem isn't the store, it's the studios. The studios refuse to license that stuff that way, if they haven't started selling the whole season on DVD yet (which generally happens only after the whole season has aired in all markets) then they won't let someone rent people the DVD either.

      In fact that is the single biggest thing holding back all new video watching services. Studio licensing. People want to be able to watch anything, anywhere, on any device, at any time. They are willing to pay for it. Studios on the other hand still see the model as "release movie, let it run in theatre for a few months, wait a few months to build up demand, release DVD for rental only, wait a few months until everyone has rented it, finally offer for sale, wait a couple of years, discontinue product, wait a couple more years, release the extended version, or director's cut, or whatever" Slowly the studios are introducing things in to the gaps, but they are always careful not to let one thing compete with another, which means you can never go to one place to get everything. For example with TV shows now, often shows end up in the TV provider's "on demand" catalogue shortly after airing, however they are removed from that catalogue before the season goes on sale so as not to compete.

      People don't want to play those games anymore, they just want to watch what they want, when they want it, and people have finally realized that this is all artificial too, so there's no good reason for it.

  20. Send them a bill by StripedCow · · Score: 5, Funny

    Compute how much these new internet business models actually cost you in the long term. Send them a bill for potential losses.

    MPAA and RIAA do it all the time!

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    1. Re:Send them a bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually that's not a bad idea... But send the bill to the MPAA.
      Unskippable ads on dvds? Previews for shit i dont want to see you cant skip? Previews for the movie you are about to watch?!?!?! Oh no the dvd you bought is just the regular dvd... You want the directors cut. No wait the unrated version. No wait the directors cut unrated version. No wait the movie of the year unrated directors cut with 8 seconds of extra footage! Yeah thats the one you want! Oh crap. now the movie is on tv. for the next year. every. single. week.

      All their bs is a large chunk of the reason dvd sales/rentals are dying. Bill them for it.

      It's no more bizarre then trying to sue dead or blind people for piracy...

      I'm sure you could find thousands of expert witnesses who despise unskippable shit on their dvd and THATS the reason they dont buy/rent anymore.

    2. Re:Send them a bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha! That was good!

  21. hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use it as a front for selling illicit substances?

  22. Nothing but radical change by tmosley · · Score: 2

    There is pretty well nothing you can do save radically change your business model. Get some rooms set up with very nice projectors, seating, sound systems, etc and let people rent them to have a private screening of some movie, for example (remember to have concessions). That, or find some other way to capitalize on your library of DVDs to make money. Make copies of DVDs for people who can show that they owned said DVD, maybe.

    1. Re:Nothing but radical change by nine932038 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. DVD stores are a thing of the past; time to move on to value-add. Gourmet popcorn, home viewing hardware, private viewing rooms, all that sort of stuff.

    2. Re:Nothing but radical change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is pretty well nothing you can do save radically change your business model. Get some rooms set up with very nice projectors, seating, sound systems, etc and let people rent them to have a private screening of some movie, for example (remember to have concessions). That, or find some other way to capitalize on your library of DVDs to make money. Make copies of DVDs for people who can show that they owned said DVD, maybe.

      I'm pretty sure that's not legal. The making copies of DVDs is definitely not, even if you legally own a copy, thanks to the DMCA. The rooms for movie screenings is also not, because those movies are licensed for private viewing only, as in, you can't make money out of playing the movie.

      This is all bullshit, obviously. Doesn't mean they won't nail you for it if you try.

    3. Re:Nothing but radical change by Zadaz · · Score: 1

      Except if the MPAA gets wind of this they'll close you down and slap you with a lawsuit. It's pretty explicitly prohibited in the draconian license the make you watch infront of every film.

      I think they have two options:
      1) Go for the old people market. Stock movies and TV shows from the 50's - 70's that old people like, advertise to them. Work up delivery deals with local care facilities.

      2) The other option would be focusing on foreign films and TV. They are rarely available for streaming in the US. I'd also get a few region-free DVD players and rent them out. I know several DVD rental places that make good money by doing this for local immigrant communities.

    4. Re:Nothing but radical change by tmosley · · Score: 1

      Not really. It is illegal to circumvent copy protection, which not all DVD's have, and which you aren't doing if you do a bit for bit copy.

      Also, you aren't hosting screenings, you are renting rooms. A private party is watching a movie in there, just like they might do if they had their own home theater.

      I actually did think about legalities, which is why I didn't suggest ripping them all and starting a streaming service, something which you would have to get rights for.

    5. Re:Nothing but radical change by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Not really. It is illegal to circumvent copy protection

      Even this isn't quite the case. Well, technically it is, but strictly speaking what's illegal is distributing the tools that allow you to circumvent copy protection. If you somehow legally come into possession of such a tool and your purpose in circumventing copy protection is legitimate fair use then this is legal.

      Also, you aren't hosting screenings, you are renting rooms. A private party is watching a movie in there, just like they might do if they had their own home theater.

      The law isn't quite as rigid as that though. This is just a legal argument. It may work, but a studio may well sue and make an argument that this is a public performance. It depends on the exact nature of how this is handled, and how well each side argues the case.

    6. Re:Nothing but radical change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if your idea holds up to legal scrutiny, the MPAA has expensive lawyers that can drag things out well beyond when his friend declares bankruptcy.

    7. Re:Nothing but radical change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to work for a small multi-plex theater and we tried the "renting rooms" thing in conjunction with the local university's anime club. They supplied the content, the players, and the projectors. We supplied the auditorium, screen, and sound system along with our regular concession bar plus a couple of bucks admission to cover electricity. The staff who worked were all volunteers from the club. It was a great deal and everyone was happy.

      Then they did a DVD screening of The Matrix (back when it first came out on DVD). It wasn't on the playlist for that day but someone popped it in and there were maybe only 20 people watching.

      It seems nobody gave two shits as long as it was only anime being shown but an unauthorized showing of a Hollywood movie caused our distributor to have a shit fit. In the end, the theater manager lost her job and the anime club was threatened with fines. Inviting 20 friends over to your private living room to watch a movie is okay but renting a room for the express purpose of those same 20 people to watch a movie in puts you under a vastly different set of rules.

    8. Re:Nothing but radical change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, good luck with that plan. Large, nebulous organizations like the MPAA are big fans of technicalities of the law and I'm sure they'll smile on your plan that seeks to use technicalities to escape what they'll see as their rightful profits. Oh yes, you go on and open that business tmosley, I'm sure you'll make out in spades.

    9. Re:Nothing but radical change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't do this because of licensing laws.

  23. DVD rental, coffee shop and hardware sales? by Bearhouse · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, people who come to a DVD shop presumably want to rent DVDs...which means that perhaps they're not comfortable with the latest tech, even if - as you quote - many say they would rather download the film. My experience with DVD shops has been that they are pretty miserable places, which make most of their profit from overdue fees.

    Make a comfy place with 'cult' DVDs to hire, plus give advice on ways to upgrade your home cinema. Sell overpriced coffee.

    1. Re:DVD rental, coffee shop and hardware sales? by V-similitude · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Love the coffee shop/dvd combo idea. You can even provide dvd-player units in the shop that people can use to rent a movie, watch it while they drink/eat their coffee/soda/snacks. You can make it like a mini/personalized movie theater (but hopefully getting around the whole fee structure by technically just renting the disks). Make room for the tables/booths by giving up the dvd shelf space and switching all disks to a digital selection system (a la redbox). It's still tough, but I think something like this has a good chance. Without some sort of hybridization, I don't think a dvd rental shop can succeed much longer on its own. There's just not enough need for dvd's anymore.

    2. Re:DVD rental, coffee shop and hardware sales? by terjeber · · Score: 1

      people who come to a DVD shop

      If people actually came to a DVD shop, there would be no discussion here now.

    3. Re:DVD rental, coffee shop and hardware sales? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The mini-theater idea probably violates licenses. Most if not all DVD's prohibit public exhibition. But, one can buy a license to exhibit publicly, and if the number of seats is small, so may be the license fee. There is (at least one) central licensing firm, similar to ASCAP. I think a local coffee shop that shows a movie once a week pays something like $300 per year.

  24. Not much he can do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless he has a wide selection of movies unavailable on streaming services he's out of luck and even then he'll only ever have a niche market of people who want old obscure movies. How can he possibly compete with the internet and things like Redbox? He should get out now while he still can.

  25. Relocate.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Relocate to the country where the local rubes ahve just discovered DVD players.

  26. Tough one..getting traction by antiapathy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Come up with creative-funny gift ideas (Christopher Walkin Box set, Chuck Norris Box set),Sell retro computer games(similar shelving), Lend the book that goes with the movie, gather other good info with the movie, Have amazing memorabilia that will attract people into the store (celebrity death masks aren't always expensive), Like an art space, do other things to attract people there: small indie-video screenings, movie discussions, director talks. Put on a local TV show discussing movies coming out on DVD.

    1. Re:Tough one..getting traction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Gen-X video in Waterloo Ontario had a similar business model going for 10+ years, they had a ton of extra content and memorabilia, and rare and hard to find, and genre organizations, and staff picks, and reviews, and games, and samurai movies, etc etc.

      Guess what, it's gone out of business and replaced by an overpriced shitty organic coffee place now.

      I think a large part of the problem is that physical space in downtown type areas is too expensive now, compared to the value people get out of it. The businesses that might be able to operate in more niche brick and mortar markets cannot afford the lease payments demanded by landlords used to huge cashflows from their "downtown" realty.

      Once the downtown retail realty market crashes hard, room will open up for these sort of innovative spaces.

  27. USB stick rentals? by purpledinoz · · Score: 1

    Personally, I find renting a DVD a pain in the ass. If I have a movie in mind that I want to watch, it's not there, or already rented out. Then I have to go search for another movie to watch. When I find a movie to rent, I either watch it right away, or decide to watch it later and "buffer" it on my PC. Now I have to go back to the movie store to return it, another hassle. To be honest, it's so much easier to go watch a movie on iTunes or other online services.

    What would be awesome is USB stick rentals. I bring a my own USB stick, and get a copy of the DVD on my USB stick for a rental fee. I wouldn't mind if there was some time limited DRM on it because it would be like a rental. This eliminates the supply problem and the return problem. But this is essentially what a streaming service provides, so it would really only be popular with people with bad Internet connections. Also, I doubt the MPAA would be happy with this.

  28. If your friend lives in Colorado or Washington.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. I have an idea or two.

  29. Sell used DVDs alongside the rentals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buying people's old stuff is a tricky business, though.

  30. XOR the online movie list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Move to 4K and HighDef movies only along with Games. You can put this into a membership plan with flat revenue. Make sure you also provide these movies through mail and vending machines at the store during closed hours.

    I would go to a store that has 1080p and 4k movies that are not online and/or I don't want a record of them in some corporate DB that I rented it. Some folks don't like to be profiled =)

  31. Start selling Re:Stop renting DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Transfer the business over to $1.00 sales for most and go up to new releases. I prefer having the harddisk and will rip and stick it on a media center.

    My price point is a dollar for movies. I'll either pay your friend, the studios or I'll pay for the internet connection, bittorrent proxy and Ill pay the bittorrent website that runs 10,000 servers.

    The least likely to meet my price point is the studios, the next is your friend/dollar store/sales bucket at walmart/etc The bittorrent one is fair though I should pay for three accounts which would up my price to somewhat painful level. My best effort so far has been to crack 30 local wifi routers and use those but bittorrent, even with a hacked hydra client is not very good and gluing them together only works with one proxy service who are a tad excessively priced.

  32. What do they want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the owner of the store is listening to people say they don't want to rent and it isn't due to the prices, then why isn't your friend asking them what they do want? Find out what it would take to get them renting. Or look into changing the business so it is less about rentals and offers something else. Don't ask Slashdot what to do, ask the customers what they want and try to give it to them.

  33. Quality by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    What is annoying is to rent a turkey movie DVD. So, open imdb.com and get only movies with a rating of 7+.

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  34. The one and only real answer: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is what will happen to you:

    http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s16e12-a-nightmare-on-face-time
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Nightmare_on_Face_Time
    http://eztv.it/ep/38966/south-park-s16e12-hdtv-x264-asap/

    Please end it now. There's no need for horse carriages, oil lamps or business models based on imaginary property anymore.
    Your equivalent in the new world is iTunes (well, not really, since they still cling to a impossible business model), Kickstarter.com (a more sane path) and The Pirate Bay. So if you want to live on, you have to re-invent yourself from the deepest depths of your philosophy.
    You certainly have my support.

  35. Expand and make it up on volume by Chang · · Score: 1

    He should expand into seedboxes

  36. Emulate a woodstove... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Burn it down for the insurance... Altho that would be illegal.

    A dvd rental store... It's been a long time since i BOUGHT a dvd. And i don't think i've ever rented one. I quit renting back when it was tapes.

    Dvds are too customer unfriendly and i want no part of them anymore. Everything about them was mostly a lie too. My favorite one (oh they'll get cheaper!) yeah, they did.. for blank ones. ones with movies are still insanely expensive for what it is.... a bunch of 1's and 0's that can be replicated forever. for near free.

    Maybe the best idea... Turn it into a 100% porn store. For some bizarre reason the pervs still do the rental and buying thing. Someone should tell them the internet is chock full of porn... Altho your friend might blow all their profit margin on hand sanitizer then...

  37. Like everyone else is saying... by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

    ...your buddy needs to get out of the buggy whip business. 5 years ago. He might have been able to sell to some sucker named Randy back then.

    Music stores, book stores, and movie rental stores: No longer viable businesses.

    Anything that can be transmitted electronically has no place in a physical storefront. The sooner your friend accepts reality, the sooner he can transition to services or physical goods.

  38. adapting by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 1

    DVDs' primary advantages are from how obnoxious advertising becomes online for online movies and how content control interferes with maintaining and replaying copies around a house. DVD prices need to be lower to move faster in volume, closer to current rental prices where people buy armloads at a time. Home archives without DVD may become a problem because of "IP" controls.

    1. Re:adapting by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

      DVDs' primary advantages are from how obnoxious advertising becomes online...

      LOLWUT? So you're saying DVDs don't have mandatory previews and advertisements? I watched a DVD at a friend's house a couple weeks ago and it was over 10 minutes of junk before we got to the actual movie.

    2. Re:adapting by byolinux · · Score: 1

      If you press stop twice, then hit play, you can generally skip that stuff.

  39. Re:value of time? by guruevi · · Score: 1

    Plus most countries except the US have legalized downloading media for personal use - they pay extra taxes on certain products to fund the equivalents of the *AA in their countries to offset the economic cost of downloading thus making it legal to copy media for home use.

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  40. Obligatory South Park Reference. by Deathlizard · · Score: 1

    A Nightmare on Facetime
    Unfortunately, you can't (legally) watch it yet.

    Unfortunately, unless he's in a rural area, he's pretty much screwed. He can try to follow the model Family Video uses, since they all seem to be successful around here for some reason, but other than that either get out or get screwed.

    1. Re:Obligatory South Park Reference. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How ironic... calling the breaking of rules created by organized crime "illegal"...

        PROTIP: Don't support organized crime. Their purpose is to harm you and the creative people you love as much as possible, as long as it makes money for the essential cocaine needs.

      Here is a link for real individuals (that aren't passive obedient drones):
      http://eztv.it/ep/38966/south-park-s16e12-hdtv-x264-asap/

  41. DVD rental always sucked - long live the VCR by GiantRobotMonster · · Score: 1

    I remember trying DVD rentals when these shiny new DVD thingies came out.
    Trouble was, 1/3 of the movies I rented were ruined due to the discs being scratched to death.
    In my experience VHS tape survives typical renter mistreatment a lot better than optical discs.
    Not to mention all the unskippable shit. I presume there are now DVD players that ignore the 'do not skip' flag. Ugh.
    DVD rental stores drove me away long ago.

    Maybe your friend should try renting movies on VHS, and don't forget betamax!
    DVDs are cheap and plentiful, whereas new release movies on betamax are hard to come by.
    Supply and demand, you see. Now all you need to do is convince people that watching movies stored on magnetic tape is really the only way to truly enjoy them.

    Magnetic tape? What am I thinking!? Your friend should rent out the latest release movies on spools of film.

    You also get to rent out the projectors, screens, piano-players, etc, that you need, remembering that all of this is a loss-leader to sell organic popcorn.

  42. Video Games? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe emphasize video game rentals. Last I checked the OnLive service wasn't doing so well. Our university here has a great media library that allows checking out video games and movies, I would guess the video games are more popular. Perhaps even renting the consoles themselves, here there is always waiting list to check out the 360, the controllers, etc.

  43. install some booths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Install some booths and buy a hole saw.

  44. Oh no! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Not this again.

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  45. Start a hackerspace? by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If your friend is running a successful business, then he's got a particularly useful and uncommon skill.

    Some 80% of all first businesses fail, but only 20% of second businesses fail. That's because after the first business, you learn from your mistakes. Your friend has the skills and experience needed to start a new business - and that's what he should do.

    So, what's trending on the map right now? What brick-and-mortar establishments are on the rise?

    How about setting up a hackerspace? These seem to be popping up everywhere, and unlike McDonalds, there's still room for more.

    While running the 'space, keep an eye out for things that might be products. With a hackerspace available it's easy to "test the waters" for a new tech product: you have access to people with skills for design, construction, [website] sales, and so on.

    What they don't have is someone who can steer the ship, someone who has experience in things like incorporating, taxes, management, planning, accounting, and so on.

    Consider starting a hackerspace. I hear that they can be successful and lots of fun.

    1. Re:Start a hackerspace? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was thinking along the same lines.. either this, or a simple co-working space.. where I am in the Philly 'burbs, there are formulas that go into the placement of each store in the strip malls. You can't just go and change out the type of store willy-nilly. Now in small town USA with an unaffiliated store, I would bet that he would have an easier time changing it up.

      Replace the DVD rental portion of the business with a Redbox machine and turn the floor space into a cubicle farm with a couple of offices and conference rooms. He'll make a killing.

    2. Re:Start a hackerspace? by Shatrat · · Score: 1

      Some 80% of all first businesses fail, but only 20% of second businesses fail. That's because after the first business, you learn from your mistakes.

      Or is it because the second businesses are started by the people who didn't fail the first time?

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  46. Obl. Southpark link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  47. Venue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At this stage in the game I would likely get out myself.

    It's entirely possible to rent from a dvd from netflix or an automated teller (conveniently located). There are things these creatures lack that could be filled in some manner or you could just go crazy with something different.

    Knowing there is a good deal of competition online and off you have to ask yourself is there a niche or service that can be provided. Multiple check out lines wouldn't hurt and several trailers playing on various positioned screens would be nice. Basically, the goal is to sale movies while you don't have to. However, if the entire establishment looks like it's a step away from either providing shelter for the homeless or a offering boot leg copies out back then don't bother. No one gets comfortable if the place is a shit hole unless they have enough familiarity to ignore the dirt. Anyhow, you get the idea or at least should. A nice little shack with some HD screens, free popcorn and a little motion. Make em want it now and make em want to come back.

    Nothing says you can't join in the game either. An automated teller for after-hours might not be a bad investment, but it really depends on how much night life exists.

    At this stage, we've simply thrown lipstick and a dress on a pig. It's a still a pig and it's not likely to last the night in a mob of hungry Europeans. If you happen to have a few delivery places nearby you could determine their interest in pairing up orders. This is going to require a hybrid online ordering method and very likely that stick in the mud delivery joint has an awful sql-injection ready website already. You'll have to convince them to give up their "already under new management" website and throw down with you. (Technically you could maintain two presences, but then you lose out on some potential sales).

    This is neat because they will be serving in an area within your surroundings. Individuals will be less hesitant regarding the return trip and you could throw in some fairly lenient rental terms. (2-3 days DVD, 1 Day bluray) It might take a little play to figure out what works best. The other benefit is the service is now a "premium" service and you might squeeze more then a dollar a vid. Other incidentals like managing orders for another company also come with a surcharge as well. The more local delivery food shops you can add in the better. (Obviously, they will unlikely want to throw in with competiting businessess, but you you may get lucky with a trifecta of chinese, pizza and indian.

    Well there is what I got. The first is to look like a first rate dealer and the second is do be more of a software/financial manager of sorts. You still rent DVD's under the second model, but it's a paradigm shift into only order management.

  48. Find some reason to sue your customers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Find some way to sue your consumer base and competitors like the other guys do when their business model erodes and collapses.
    Sad alternative is to change to a sex toy / video shop.

  49. Change Focus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Get out of the rental business. That market is better served by other models like Netflix and RedBox.
    2. Get into the movie sales business. Some people prefer a real world experience when dealing with media. They like owning the plastic cases. They like to see a collection grow and at home display it proudly.
    3. There is a lot more to movies than just the movies them selves. Posters, special editions, collectible figurines. Visit a good comic book store to see how they thrive in a world where print is dead.
    4. Specialize. Become the best at something. Pick a genre like Sci-Fi or Horror and become "The Place" to go for the latest and greatest in the genre. Collect and cultivate a back catalog of hard to find titles and associated items. If a new movie is coming out people should find out about it while visiting your store.
    5. Make sure that you and the staff stay completely updated on current movie news and study movie trivia. When a movie fan is visiting make sure you can hold an intelligent conversation with them.
    6. Be lucky enough to live in a town large enough so that a store such as this could be supported.
    7. Hope that the comic book stores in the area don't catch on and start trying to attract more movie fans.

  50. I can answer this question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I actually might be qualified to answer this since my business partner and I are in this very scenario and we have already made adjustments that have had a real positive impact.

    My partner's dvd rental store has been in business and at the same location for over 16 years. During that time, Blockbuster gave it a run for TEN years directly across the street, but closed down 2 years ago. He began supplementing the business by becoming a wireless dealer and bill payment station. Here in Houston, multipurpose shops are EVERYWHERE and are VITAL in small, mostly Hispanic communities, so in order to compete, your store must offer all or at least some of the following: Phone service, phone cards (for international calling), bill payment such as local utilities and cable, Western Union, MoneyGram, money orders, copies, fax service, etc...

    We recently began offering computer repairs and upgrades in addition to the cell phone repairs and he has quite a bit of retail space dedicated to not only popcorn, candy and soda, but even chips, sweets, fortune cookies, designer fragrances, and tons of accessories.

    This may seem crazy to a lot of readers here, and it's certainly a lot to juggle for a store owner, but the truth is, he has been a staple in the community for so long that our customers keep finding reasons to come in. Sure, they still rent dvds, but they really come for the multitude oi other helpful services we offer.

    1. Re:I can answer this question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I forgot to mention that we also do stuff like wireless internet, Spanish satelite tv (big in Houston), and international movies/porn. This is a really great topic, but sadly, the only real answers seem to be "can it" or "diversify".

    2. Re:I can answer this question... by guttentag · · Score: 1

      Wireless dealer, computer repair, popcorn, candy, soda, chips, sweets, fortune cookies, designer fragrances, tons of accessories, DVDs... Sounds like the checkout area of a Fry's Electronics.

    3. Re:I can answer this question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So your answer is, stop being a dvd rental store?

  51. Rentals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I live in china and here there are about a dozen movie/tv-show libraries online free of charge here, quality is generally good (especially pptv) when streaming dvd quality content. The selection is less so though, while there are new content most is old and obscure (lot's of B-rated movies). For that reason I prefer to visit my local movie-shop, where I'll be presented with a huge library of movies. Most are pirated and price is about 1$ for a copy. For that price, given a choice between clicking on a torrent-link and waiting an unknown amount of time, versus, going to the shop, I always go to the shop. But, if the movie is available through a stream online, I'll pick that since it starts as soon as I click it...
    However, the shop still has an upper hand and that's the selection they can keep, since I'm a frequent movie watcher, the shop owner (who also happens to be the general agent for distribution of media in my city) knows me and trusts me enough to view his warehouse where he keeps titles that has not sold well and things that has not even been released yet, I'll usually find movies before they hit the torrents there. Can't beat that. Same goes for normal dvd rentals, if you get to know them well enough, you can usually get to rent before it's officially released for rent.

  52. Delivery by pellik · · Score: 1

    Streaming services have woefully poor selection. DVD by mail takes 3-5 days to receive the movie you wanted to watch tonight. Perhaps your friend could use delivery drivers to cover that gap for the next few years (decade+ with the way content distributors fight).

    1. Re:Delivery by dehole · · Score: 1

      That's just what I was going to recommend.

      Maybe delivery drivers + self addressed envelopes so that they can send them back.

    2. Re:Delivery by smallfries · · Score: 1

      Was about to post this. Also steal a part of ringbring's business model and pick up other supplies on route: popcorn, chocolate, soda, pizza etc.

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    3. Re:Delivery by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      Not sure how easy that would be for profitability. There a number of new expenses that I'm not sure customers would be willing to pay for. Drivers, ordering website, etc.. There might be an interesting collaboration with the local pizza delivery joint...

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  53. Four words by Joe+Decker · · Score: 1

    High speed popcorn delivery.

    1. Re:Four words by vlm · · Score: 1

      High speed popcorn delivery.

      This is it. Sell the "watching a movie at home" or "date night" experience or whatever experience not a silvery disk.

      So... stock all the stuff you need for that experience. Eighty different types of popcorn, lots of "fresh" junk food, frozen pizzas, cold soft drinks (heck, beer, if you can get a license). Also, new shrink wrapped DVDs. Nobody wants some old scratched up thing.

      Another datapoint. Don't try "old" "niche" because the public library is already renting those for free. Yes, free. Sure, they're all scratchy and you're stuck with "the sound of music" but still...

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  54. look at bookstores by tverbeek · · Score: 1

    Bookstores are trying to maintain their relevance by becoming coffeeshops that sell books. The idea is to make the store a destination in its own right, rather than just the means to get a chunk of entertainment. At a bookstore you can sample the offerings before picking one out (not possible with DVD-by-mail, and possible – but not really done well – by streaming services), so maybe set up DVD players with headphones, or (shhhh) rip the DVDs and let the customers preview them on kiosks in the store. Put together displays that draw on the staff's expertise (e.g. favorite dystopic sci-fi films, throw in a free second DVD that makes for a good double feature) rather than homogenized wisdom-of-the-crowd correlations or dubious one-random-idiot's-faves lists that you find on web sites. A DVD rental store can never compete with the stock of the latest blockbusters or the depth of the library that Netflix or Amazon has; don't even make that a goal. To work, you need to focus on the "service" side of the business; every person on the floor needs to be a seasoned cinephile, not short-term minimum-wage high school kids. Set up a mini "home theater" and have regular "movie night" events for small groups of people to watch old films with fellow fans of the films. (This would probably require paying performance-rights fees to the studios.) This is all stop-gap stuff, of course. This store is not going to exist to be passed down to the kids as the family business. But it might keep the doors open and the lights on for a while longer.

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  55. Talk to your customers ... by MacTO · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Slashdot isn't the best place to ask because most of us have bought into digital distribution. We are unlikely to be the video store's target audience so we aren't the best people to ask.

    Your friend also has some challenges because copyright laws limit his options. A lot of things that could be done would be illegal or require a lot of paperwork because it would be considered a public showing (e.g. previews, a showing room for private events).

    Yet they may be able to transition their business if they are into film. This could be tied to tangible products or people oriented. They could try to sell the hardware to show movies, provide a forum to discuss them, or even provide a hub for people who want to produce independent films.

    There are a lot of other ways to adapt. The key though is to talk to the people who matter: the customers who would actually use the service.

    1. Re:Talk to your customers ... by safetyinnumbers · · Score: 1

      Especially all these potential customers who walk out talking about downloads - find out why they came in.

    2. Re:Talk to your customers ... by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      to see whats new to download

    3. Re:Talk to your customers ... by danomac · · Score: 1

      Not likely, they can use the web to find out what's new.

    4. Re:Talk to your customers ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use the local redbox for that (finding movies to download)

    5. Re:Talk to your customers ... by giorgist · · Score: 1

      This is the best place to ask this question ... if we are tech savvy compared to the average , we are what the average will become in a few years time which is the minimum scope he should consider for his next business venture.

  56. Re:value of time? by davmoo · · Score: 1

    Take off your MPAA controlled glasses. Nothing in that quote says they are going to necessarily download it illegally. And Amazon does do individual downloads, sometimes for free, and many movies for just a couple dollars.

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  57. Location, location location by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    You can do that in a University town where you've got lots and lots of new faces every year. Tucson, Az has several independent video rent places near their U of A.

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    1. Re:Location, location location by Fiddlingfrog · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. The best rental place I ever experienced was That's Rentertainment in Urbana, Illinois. A huge, constantly changing clientele coupled with a selection of movies that still can't be beat by any online service is still a winning combination. Throw in the brick and mortar charm (staff picks, daily specials, and even equipment rental) and it's still the thing I miss most about living out there.

  58. Carry different products. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As it happens, I have a friend with a video store also.

    It's surviving, but it's still hard. Not like the good ol' days before movie downloads and Netflix were easy.

    Part of it is that the shop is set up in a community with a large percentage of the population being over retirement age; they haven't figured out how to download movies from the internet. They still rent films. Also, the shop moved to a cheaper location.

    But that shop's days are definitely numbered, I'd guess.

    Maybe measure the social value of the shop and see whether a transition to a new business model would be better or a complete break.

    Make the decision and spend a month selling off all the stock to pay outstanding debts, then proceed to do the next thing; either find another job or start up another business.

    Maybe DVDs, books, comics, board games, coffee and muffins with a cool and essential public hang-out space would work.

  59. Still renting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our DVD shop has been consistent for the last ten years as far as new customer sign ups go. Rentals have dropped a little bit since 2009, but the biggest change is used DVD sales. Obviously, we can no longer sell used DVDs for $9.95 anymore. Even at $2.00 we barely sell anything.

    The nice thing about people supporting us is they are contributing to the neighborhood economy. I spend most of my money in my own neighborhood.

    Other folks are right though, especially if this video shop of your friends is his primary business. Perhaps it's better to cash out while the inventory still has some value.

  60. Second-hand market? by Guppy · · Score: 1

    Maybe he could try his hand at the used video market?

    Just as game stores increasingly earn their profits through buybacks and re-sales of used games and console hardware, he could get into the business of purchasing and re-selling used DVD/Blu-ray movies, and maybe used video players as well.

  61. Niche by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The old stuff. Get a good Disney section. Get a good Classic Western section. Good Sifi section. Make sure I don't feel like i am walking into a Porn store....unless you are selling Porn. Know the art. If I walk into a video rental store...and we have only one in our town other than RedBox.....I have a very specific movie or actor I am looking for and If I ask for something know it.

  62. X Tra Vision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Ireland they have xtravision stores, that diversify by:
    - selling cheap but good quality hardwares
    - sell ice creams, soft drinks and popcorn, as a bundled for each DVD/BluRay rented
    - sell video games

    I think they are quite successful, and because of their central location, they are still relevant (compared to out of town malls)

  63. Beer coasters for movie themed parties? by J.J.+Dane · · Score: 1

    Or burn the place down for the insurance..

  64. There's a successful, large rental outlet here. by urbanriot · · Score: 5, Informative
    We've had a rental outlet in my city for the past 20 years or so and they've survived by giving people what they want and people drive 30 minutes out of town to rent videos from this place. What sets them apart is the following:

    - wide selection of movies and TV shows, stuff you won't find elsewhere or downloadable via torrents, like lesser known foreign and independent movies, the place is huge.

    - enough copies of popular movies so you can almost always get what you went there for

    - blu-ray, DVD, VHS (!), Xbox 360, Wii, etc., whatever you and your family needs, it's there

    - two for one days on slower nights of the week and other coupons for the past decade brings plenty of people into the outlet

    - extras are sold off at a good price when they're no longer rented

    1. Re:There's a successful, large rental outlet here. by BitterOak · · Score: 1

      - blu-ray, DVD, VHS (!), Xbox 360, Wii, etc., whatever you and your family needs, it's there

      You forgot Beta.

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    2. Re:There's a successful, large rental outlet here. by Lando · · Score: 1

      Oh and 8 track

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  65. Re:value of time? by GoogleFan1 · · Score: 2

    No they haven't. It was legal to download movies and music (software and games usually wasn't), but that changed like 10 years ago in most european countries. They do pay extra cost on certain products but that doesn't mean downloading would be legal now.

  66. Re:value of time? by pruss · · Score: 1

    There are tons of movies and TV series that just aren't available on Netflix or Amazon for rental.

  67. Booze and Titties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Topless sales-bunnies and DVD and beer bundles are the way to go.

  68. Depends on the size of your community by rabtech · · Score: 2

    If you are in a small town, specializing in out of print or hard to find catalogs probably won't be enough to survive... Kinda how record stores are restricted to large metro areas.

    But here are some ideas:

    Get a post office account and offer pre-paid mail-in returns. It will take some doing to ensure the packaging is light and small enough to keep mailing costs down, but it would make it far more convenient to rent.

    Allow reservations online.

    Open a small pizza pro or similar franchise in the corner of the store so people can grab dinner and a movie all at once.

    Sell esoteric candy and theater popcorn, for the same reason, but at reasonable prices.

    Buy and sell used DVDs. Take the movie home and keep it? Just 12.99-19.99 depending on the movie. Bring it back? Then just the rental fee. Look at what Vintage Stock / Movie Trading Company is doing, where the buy-in price is determined by software that looks at the current stock across all stores vs the past few months of sales. More popular movies or really rare ones are worth more, and thus entice people to bring them in.

    Buy and sell game systems, used and new.

    Offer disc resurfacing services for damaged discs.

    If your market supports it, buy and sell Vinyl records, including new releases that come with digital downloads.

    Offer home theater consulting services, offer training on what surround sound is or how to build your own HT setup.

    Make sure the store is a fun/inviting environment to be in: have couches setup and the latest game systems available to play, have a kiosk with IMDB so people can easily lookup who was in what movie (bonus points if you can hookup Google voice search API to it so its voice controlled). Become an Apple authorized reseller/service center. Sell cables/adapters, the AppleTV, and demo AirPlay to people, etc.

    I'm sure you could think of others. If people feel comfortable and want to spend time in your store, they'll be much more likely to purchase something.

    These are just a few ideas that spring to mind.

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  69. A new line of business by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 0

    He's selling buggy-whips, only worse. There's still a small market for buggy whips.

  70. Re:value of time? by guruevi · · Score: 1

    When I lived there, many countries (Belgium, Netherlands, Germany?, Spain even Canada) had laws where they paid extra taxes on media to pay specifically into funds for artists (which were managed by their versions of the RIAA/MPAA) in order that they would still get reimbursed for downloaded movies and music.

    Ergo I would argue that if you pay a tax to pay the RIAA/MPAA for downloaded movies and music, that doing that act wouldn't be illegal.

    You wouldn't pay taxes on your car if it's illegal to drive said car.

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  71. Start a local streaming service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tell him to start a local streaming service. Rip the DVD's and stream them for the same cost as RedBox or Blockbuster.

    Generally, at RedBox you can rent the title for $1, as opposed to Amazon or Vudu, which charges $2-$4 per title.

    He could even do it through a service provider like Roku and have them collect the money for him.

    So long as you only have one stream per disc owned this has proven to be legal.

  72. It's called an Arcade by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Make the move to an in-store streaming cashless video system - assuming this DVD store is carrying porn.

    Works just fine for us over here in SoCal.

    Also, if you can find it, videos on flash drives are getting more popular as a selling item.

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  73. I'd like a DVD... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and a pizza.

    If it is ease of delivery that's the competition, then fight fire with fire: Team up with local pizza places to offer a DVD rental for $2 with a large or two medium pizzas. Either have the pizza delivery person stop by for the pickup, of have a limited selection pre-stocked at participating businesses.

    And not only pizza places: DVDs also go good with Thai.

    Start with businesses in the same block, so take-out folks can also get a DVD with minimal hassle.

    You may want to find a way to maintain a common customer database with participating businesses, so there will be a way to get the DVDs back. The delivery person can do pickups on subsequent deliveries, and take-out folks can drop them off. The logixtics will be difficult.

    There is a wave of new cinemas that also serve food, so I think joining the two may be a growth business.

    1. Re:I'd like a DVD... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forgot to mention why the $2 price: RedBox is also competition, so if a business can be sustained on $1/rental, give 0.50 to the restaurant, and 0.50 to the delivery person. While that may not be much incentive to the delivery person, most delivery folks make their living on tips, and providing a movie should increase tips.

      The 0.50 to the restaurant should help cover their cost of sharing customer data, especially if you make the process as easy as possible for them.

  74. Video games and pinball games? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Video games and pinball games?

    Pinball is picking up right now and it's hard to find good places to play in many areas.

  75. easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Delivery.

    1. Re:easy by Brad1138 · · Score: 1

      Unless he can get there faster then the speed of light, he will loose there also...

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  76. International by Jetra · · Score: 1

    While many people have sick mindsets and are looking towards the future with open arms (and deep pockets it seems. I mean you just bought a $400 iPad and you just dished out another $500 just for an iPad with extra features? Really?), I have a valuable suggestion that I would enjoy: variety.

    No, I'm not talking about sci-fi and action, I mean bring in movies from other countries. I know a great many otakus who would be willing to shell out money just to watch Naruto in Japanese or the Nutcracker in original German. I myself am wishing to watch Russian films, after watching Ballad of a Soldier. Relevance can't be simply construed to a time frame or even a style such as Claymation or Live-Action. Imagine your next Valentine's Day with you special someone with a French or Italian film instead of some American romance movie and a bucket of popcorn?

    1. Re:International by Yomers · · Score: 1

      Watch this one http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/3420889/Kin-Dza-Dza_with_English_Subtitles_proper .
       
        Sadly I could not think of any post USSR Russian movie that I could suggest to watch.

    2. Re:International by Yomers · · Score: 1

      http://thepiratebay.se/search/naruto/0/7/0 naruto in japanse with subtitles. Could you tell your otakus they may shell out some money in my direction? I will gladly accept paypal, bitcoin, bank wire or any other form of payment.

      Whats your problem, you people do not know how to use internets? Or you just need to pay somebody for the movie you will watch? Whats the real difference between thepiratebay and offline dvd rental store, except that rentals are free on thepiratebay? Movie producers do not get anything from offline DVD rental when you rent a movie, right?

    3. Re:International by Jetra · · Score: 1

      Fuck the pirate bay. I love how you guys just have him bookmarked. I don't accept technology as readily as the rest of you because it turns your body to mush. How many albinos out there? When was the last time you saw the sun?

    4. Re:International by Yomers · · Score: 1

      Ah I get it now, driving to DVD rental provides the necessary exercise for your body and you see the sun and all those albinos on the way? I live on a small island in Thailand, we do not have a DVD rentals or any shop selling movies here (i guess due to no demand), fortunately there are plenty other stimulus to go outside.

    5. Re:International by Jetra · · Score: 1

      True, but a lot of people I know who pirate are Americans who have money, but because we live in the digital age, think everything should be free. If everything were free, would that not cause Hoarding problems? I don't know, but I do believe that it could happen if everything were free.

    6. Re:International by Yomers · · Score: 1

      Digital content is free and readily available, and this reduce hoarding - people used to hoard cd's, mp3's and movies in different formats, now you just need to know the name of the movie - 2 hours later (due to low bandwidth here on the island) you can watch it, and there is no point not to delete it afterwards - as it can be easily downloaded again if needed. Basically it's the same as DVD rental but wider selection, less hassle, available everywhere in the world 24/7 and free.

    7. Re:International by Jetra · · Score: 1

      I guess I just prefer to have a physical entity in my hand than a metaphysical entity stored on a machine. Call me old, call me technologically stupid, but I think that having an actual disk is better because electronic stuff can be taken away any time i.e. the Kindle that deleted a student's paper.

  77. Run classes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps run classes (not for free) on how to setup a VPN in a different country and how to use that to BitTorrent the movies that they no longer want to rent?

  78. South park by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was a South Park episode about this, A nightmare on face time

  79. Family Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like our family trips to the video store. Gives the kids something to look at. We usually get a movie but its not about that. Its more about getting out of the house.

  80. Why not Anime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a strange idea. What about renting nothing but anime DVDs? Legal anime streaming sites often are missing lots and lots of titles. If you could offer for a reasonable price, the ability to rent DVDs from a decent sized catalog, you might be able to run a decent business. You could possibly do this in conjunction with the renting cult DVDs idea. Make sure you get some copies of Hausu. Lots of copies of Hausu. If you are looking for an example of a store that does something like this, take a look at Facets. http://www.facets.org/

  81. Re:value of time? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

    There are tons of movies and TV series that just aren't available on Netflix or Amazon for rental.

    Yes - And purchasing these items (licensed for rental) is expensive for a rental shop. Having 'Misfits of Science' available for rental for the one geek per year who might ask for it is not good business.

  82. Cinephiles by Dripdry · · Score: 2

    Something useful rather than "just close":

    My problem with DVD rental now is the amount of choice. Back in Chicago there was this AWESOME place called specialty video. Loved it. Problem was, they had so many good and rare movies that I would walk out without renting because I couldn't decide. Hundreds of movies, and what the internet does now is narrow down the frustration of making a choice. It gives us a handful of movie ideas and we can pick one if we want.

    Also, there are definitely DVDs that we cannot get online, lots of them. I say market to the cinephiles, the people looking for the rare gems. Get online.

    I really think that dvd rental has a place still. I like going someplace like that, but the interface could use some updating IMO

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    1. Re:Cinephiles by Jetra · · Score: 1

      PM me this place. I'm bored to freaking tears!

  83. Rent out 3D players or... Go out of business? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better make a fire-sale and close his business. This is going to be Dodo Time within 720 days, plus minus.
    OR:
    Switch to cheap 3D Blu-Ray player rentals, glasses included, with a free movie thrown in.

  84. An authentic DVD store museum by JoosepN · · Score: 0

    Slam a sticker on the front door reading "museum" under the current store name and charge entry fee.

    1. Re:An authentic DVD store museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the fucking funniest thing I heard on slashdot this year! Bravo!

      I instantly get this vision of these giant tele-screens on the wall with different loop footage of how a video dvd store used to be. Little stations you walk by which detect your presence with infra-red and start their spiel like at the zoo. "On one night in July a video store raided by the copyright police, blabla bla.."

  85. Things i'd pay for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coffee, doughnuts, a sandwich. Might as well slowly convert the place into a convenience store.

  86. Some ideas I have seen work and some new ones by mattr · · Score: 2

    Not sure how much floor space your friend has but..
    Coffee shop
    Sell books, comics/manga, magaines
    Study pods/counters
    Rent or sell music cds and live concert dvds
    Sell not rent
    Rent game consoles
    have screens showing trailers of new films
    Contract with indies to sell theirs
    If it is in a major location, special events for example a director gives a talk
    Link with film festivals
    Allow people to watch any films in the shop, plus some streaming accounts, on large screens in the shop - you can just charge per hour and let people try titles one after another
    Look at the kind of films that get shown on MUBI.
    Write reviews / recommendations for titles, like in book stores
    Sell hardware like ebook readers, cameras, hard disks
    Sell fun and funky products
    Provide cheap or free coffee or other drinks/eats like in a movie theater
    Provide books about cinema to get people interested in huge world of film
    Go after foreign film genres, both classic and contemporary. For example Japanese film, Finnish film, Mexican film, French Film.
    Put up great movie posters. Not just cheapo sci-fi flix. French posters are often well done.
    Sell audio books and classical/jazz too, your audience doesn't have to be just little kids, these are popular among older people for car and for home listening. My parents put audio books in the car and also into an ipod for listening at home for my father.
    Could bring in other crowds - older people, people who are into design, art and architecture, people who are into looking for new films instead of watching the same ones over and over
    Sell sets of classic movies, like hitchcock or car grant, etc.
    Sell sets of movies like 007, etc.
    When a new film is out in theaters, sell or rent all the films that director or lead actor/actress has made.
    Make a members card that gives you discounts
    Tie up with other businesses
    Make new "film festivals" or "Now Showing xxxx" events every week or month
    (I think this is fair use...) Offer to load ipod with music the person rents, then they don't have to bring the CD back to you..
    Rent high quality equipment for people who want to make their own films, or provide studio space for band to record or something to engage community and people who are enthusiastic.
    Engage film clubs (not sure if this works)
    Research lots of films so people can always come to you to find them.

  87. Sell downloads by greywire · · Score: 1

    Fill the store with servers and sell downloads instead.

    With bandwidth restrictions on people's net access, there could be a business for walking in and downloading directly to your device. Still faster than over the net, its an incentive over piracy (speed, reliability). You could even have previous stations where you could quickly flip through movies and preview whatever you wanted (ie, fast-forward through it you like). To save more time you could rent the movie on a memory stick in your preferred format.

    Never mind you could get things that arent on DVD or arent popular enough to stock normally. And no running out of DVD's.

    It would be a risky business and it would have to be done just right. You'd probably want to rent video games (still probably some life yet in that business) too and also sell iPods and memory sticks and such.

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  88. Nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing.

  89. An Apple a Day.... by Jetra · · Score: 1

    Aren't you forgetting the towel?

  90. Rent out tools by epSos-de · · Score: 1

    It would be great if you rent out tools and media equipment too. Just combine other products for renting out and diversify into other forms of rentals.

  91. What would motivate me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I would walk into, and rent from, a physical DVD store if:

    1) It had what I wanted but couldn't get on netflix.
    2) It would guarantee my privacy (the database maintains no association between what I rented and who I am once I return the dvd and pay up, so even a court subpena couldn't get any more than what I currently have out or what I owe on).
    3) It would let me keep the DVD for as long as I want with no late fees (just a linear rate like a buck a day until I bring it back, and that's it).
    4) I can hit a website to see if what I want is available, and reserve it via the website, saving me a trip out if what I want isn't there.
    5) I can ask that the DVD be mailed to me via the website, to save me the trip out if I don't mind waiting for shipping.
    6) I am not required to pay a subscription (just whatever I owe as a function of what I rented * how long I rented it).

    Make that happen, and I will sign up.
    If you are close to me, I can do without 6.

    1. Re:What would motivate me by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      3) It would let me keep the DVD for as long as I want with no late fees (just a linear rate like a buck a day until I bring it back, and that's it).

      By that definition, I've never rented from a place with "late fees" they just renew the movie at the standard rate if it isn't back on time.

      I go to a place with $1 Tuesday weekly movies and $4 Monday new releases. Generally, I rent on Tuesdays and only the older weekly movies. But sometimes I don't feel like waiting months, so I get the new release on a Monday. If I miss a return, I pay extra time at the same rate as the "regular" rental rate.

    2. Re:What would motivate me by Dragon+Bait · · Score: 3, Informative

      I would add "reasonable subscription." Our local DVD rental store had a reasonable rate and we were allowed three DVDs out at one time. The movies of course were "two tier" -- older movies and new releases. Our subscription didn't include new releases. When they tripled the cost of the subscription, we cancelled it (and within two months the store was closed).

    3. Re:What would motivate me by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      Let me translate that:

      1) Porn DVD's.
      2) Questionable porn DVD's.
      3) Rent forever for free.
      4) Netflix without the convenience.
      5) Netflix without the selection.
      6) Actually this demand would be reasonable. Thank god you claim you can do without 6.

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    4. Re:What would motivate me by ChrisGoodwin · · Score: 1

      3) It would let me keep the DVD for as long as I want with no late fees (just a linear rate like a buck a day until I bring it back, and that's it).

      There actually is such a thing. You pay a flat fee, take the DVD home for as long as you want, and then when you're done with it you bring it back, and they actually give you money back for it. Or store credit, which is usually a little more. You can use that store credit toward the "rental" of another DVD, and the process repeats.

      They call them "used DVD stores". Sometimes "thrift shops" or "pawn shops".

      It actually used to be you could rent software that way (late 80's/early 90's). You'd pick the software you wanted, then place a "deposit" equal to the purchase price of the software. If you kept it then they treated it as a sale, or if you brought it back you got part of your deposit back.

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    5. Re:What would motivate me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #1-3 are strawmen. #4 and #5 are fair points.

      (different AC, by the way)

    6. Re:What would motivate me by jdray · · Score: 1

      6) Vudu

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    7. Re:What would motivate me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The subscription model is the (only) way to go. And adding other goods, services, or events.

  92. Change. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The business should have moved with the movement from the start. It is too cheap and easy for someone to acquire an image and burn a dvd... so don't rent dvds, sell cheap burned copies at rental prices or slightly higher. No more late fees, no more out of stock problems(which cost them uncountable amounts of sales). At the same time, be an outlet for "collectable" original releases and merchandise that true fans can purchase.

    Going to the movie store was a hassle due to, might not have it and might not return it in time problems. Guarantee a copy is in store and make it easy. I would have started a movie rental store but I don't have the corporate connections to even get an appointment with a secretary of a lowly assistant to propose a deal... so I watched the industry fail year after year; shaking my head.

  93. Re:value of time? by Justin_Schuh · · Score: 1

    netflix and amazon are subscription services, not individual movie downloads. itunes is an awesome service, but it's expensive - $5 per movie. So the only conclusion is freetards.

    Amazon, Youtube, iTunes and others all let you legally rent or buy digital copies of newly released movies. The prices and quality are competitive or better than DVD rentals, but the convenience factor of digital is the huge differentiator.

  94. Re:value of time? by GoogleFan1 · · Score: 1

    Well, that's how it is. You pay the tax on blank media but you don't obviously get the right to pirate whatever you want. The tax is to reimburse for lost revenue regardless of if you pirate or not.

  95. 2 dvd stores thriving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    both i luv video and vulcan video are thriving in Austin, TX, because they offer a huge selection and also curated choiceand themed sections of stuff thats rare, foreign, obscure, or just cool. this is the only way ive seen it work in present times.

    1. Re:2 dvd stores thriving by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Carry stuff that isn't easily available online, make your inventory easy to search, and make the transaction as quick and painless as possible.

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  96. Re:I know you hate the RIAA by BumpyCarrot · · Score: 1

    I appreciate that you feel wronged, but I don't see how turning away ANY customer who wishes to make a purchase is a good idea. Consider that pirates statistically buy more music than any of your other customers. As an aside, if I even witnessed the kind of confrontation you described in any store, that store would be on my OWN blacklist. That might be worth considering as well.

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  97. Re:value of time? by poly_pusher · · Score: 1

    So I didn't just pay to download Brave from Amazon last night? The only conclusion is freetard? Seriously,.. the only conclusion?

    And referencing your statements above:

    I download a movie in about 10 minutes, 30 minutes for full HD. They both can start playing within seconds. It's not a crappy copy, it's HD. No, there is no 50/50 chance of viruses from online movie rental services like Amazon. I have never gotten better advice or curation from a store than I have gotten from an online distributor of movies.

    I just have to ask. Why do you want to spread false information? I'm tempted to accuse you of straight out lying but for now I'll just assume total ignorance in the topic...

  98. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was trying to find a reason why it could work but really I can't see it happening. Even if it worked short term, in the not to very long term you'd be screwed. The only thing you have going for you is people have bandwidth constraints and older people are scared of technology. If you offered happy endings in the backroom you might have a shot! :)

  99. Movies that have expired out of Redbox by tepples · · Score: 1

    My advice is close the store, get a Redbox franchise

    The trouble with Redbox is that it has only new releases. How is one supposed to watch movies that have already expired out of the Redbox system yet aren't on Netflix? And should "the local telco['s] project to boost internet speeds" fail, how is one supposed to watch more than a couple movies a month on the single digit GB per month cap of a sat or cell connection?

    1. Re:Movies that have expired out of Redbox by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      Netflix.

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  100. Here's the solution by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    Sell your DVDs, put in some servers, start an advertisement-supported torrent site.

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  101. Fleecing customers with low GB/mo caps by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

    As bandwidth improves

    It's not just burst bandwidth that has to improve but also sustained bandwidth. Several types of home Internet access, such as satellite and cellular, have acceptable burst bandwidth (in the high hundreds of Kbps to low Mbps) but unacceptable sustained bandwidth (typically less than 10 GB per month). That's not going to change until A. it becomes drastically cheaper to get rural areas wired for fiber, or B. the state subsidizes getting rural areas wired for fiber.

    1. Re:Fleecing customers with low GB/mo caps by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      That won't stop streaming. Rural areas don't have fibre because few people live there. Most people live in cities, close together, where wiring them all up is fairly cheap. And those alone should be more than enough to sustain a streaming market.

  102. Netflix is on more tablets by tepples · · Score: 1

    In my experience Amazon Prime unlimited streaming is roughly on par with Netflix

    Except that Netflix is available on a wider selection of tablets. The only tablets I know of that support have Prime streaming are Kindle Fire and iPad, not my Nexus 7.

    1. Re:Netflix is on more tablets by belg4mit · · Score: 1

      What're you talking about? Prime streams in a flash-enabled browser.
      Galaxy Tab 10.1 works well since release; unlike hulu which brilliantly
      focused on supporting older android phones with tiny screens beforee
      ventually releasing a huluplus only app.

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  103. Alt-uses for DVDs by cyberfringe · · Score: 1
    My favorite: Wind mobiles

    Others: - Hors d'oeuvre plates - Feng Shui reflectors near your front door - Scarecrow in your garden - Pistol target practice

    Your imagination is the limit!

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  104. Good luck negotiating public performance licenses by tepples · · Score: 1

    maybe offer coffee and a place to sit and watch a movie.

    Good luck negotiating public performance licenses with the big six movie distributors.

  105. He's competing with piracy, so... by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

    Make it as easy as possible for his customers to shoplift.

  106. Postal Return & Drive Thru by DudeFromMars · · Score: 1

    Free postal return envelopes would help.
    Drive-thru returns would help.
    Browsing and renting online would help.
    Maybe even a drive-through pickup for online rentals.

    If there is a drive-thru fast food in the parking lot, it can be a two-fer
    Make a deal with the fast food joint to let online rentals be picked up from their drive-thru window.

    The reason I won't rent DVDs any more isn't that I can't find a movie in the store, or enjoy it.

    It is the hassle of returning the DVD and late fees and all that.

  107. Don't stop selling DVD's by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    I use to go to a local pawn shop twice per week to buy DVD's as for a while they were super cheap around $2.99 each and get a 5th one free. Then all of a sudden just like CD"s the DVD's pretty much disapeared and it was all games and BR's. So now I only go there every few months. I picked up two box sets yesterday but only because they were rare box sets.

    Now for me even though I still downlload lots I'd rather buy the original and rip it. Plus I get a kick out of finding rare films/shows I've forgotten about and at $2.99 I'dd be stupid not not buy something.

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  108. We have niche libraries by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 3

    I recently spent a couple of days in Raton, NM. It's quite small but they have a thing there called the Whittington Center. It's a gigantic place to shoot, museum, store, and library on all things having to do with shooting. (How it got there is a fascinating political story that I'll leave for another day.) I'm retired and I love to shoot but it was that library that drew me in. I spent hours and hours there, finding new gems and old, every time I scanned a different shelf. I would literally consider moving to Raton just to have easy access to that specialty library...if it weren't for the fact that I spent enough time there to discover that Raton is an armpit of a place.

    In the large metro area where I currently live there are a couple of niche stores that are doing at least OK. I can think of two stores that sell just vinyl records. I can think of one that rents rare DVDs, has an extensive anime section, even has some old stock on tape that never made it to disc, and sells a small selection of high-value, carefully-selected hardware to equip your home theatre. They have employees who seem to know *everything* and can make a dozen recommendations based on scanty evidence. I've brought three discs to the front counter and said "I've seen these. I liked them. What else would I like?" Within three minutes, an employee will have sprinted me around the store and put a dozen other titles in my hands (guaranteed I haven't even heard of half of them) and I can pick at random from that pile with no fear of disappointment.

    I'm definitely willing to pay for that kind of service. It's just too bad I retired and I'm too far away from them to use them now. (In fact, I've been away for so long that I don't know if 2 of the 3 examples I just gave are still in business and I don't want the potential heartbreak of looking them up online to see if they still are.)

    That brings me to my last point - location. Most DVD stores that were successful back in the day did so by being where there were the most people. Everybody was renting DVDs so you just had to be located where the most people were to be found. There were even DVD stores that did rentals inside major shopping malls.

    Times have changed. Joe Average is no longer your customer. If the store in question is in a place with good traffic flow but no *specialty* traffic flow, then they're screwed, doubly so since not only is the customer base falling but the location rents are probably higher *because* of the good traffic flow.

    The first idea that pops into my head is that specialty equipment stores that sell guns, weightlifting equipment, cosmetics, whatever, etc., tend to have a shelf somewhere with a couple of "how-to" discs to buy. The selection is always lousy and the discs are for purchase only. I wish someone would come up with a way to put a smaller, lower-tech version of a Red Box in every speciality store in the country. Said kiosk (or just a shelf of DVDs with bar-coded labels that somehow communicate with whatever vertical app the store is using to sell all their other stuff) would rent out "how-to" and specialty DVDs to those people who are interested in the goods sold by that particular store.

    Wherever there's a successful brick-and-mortar store, there's the potential to sell and rent DVDs with highly-specialized content to the customers of those stores.

    Why not abandon the "DVD store" concept? Bring the stock to the customers instead of making the customers come to the stock. I know one gun store that tried this with books and it failed but only because it took up too much room. On a per-square-foot basis, keeping a book store inside a gun store is stupid; there's so much more profit in just adding more display space for high-dollar-markup guns. With DVDs, though, we're literally talking less than two square feet of floor space for a tall, rotating rack.

    Just an idea. I hate to see the OP's friend go out of business without at least an idea or two on the table.

    1. Re:We have niche libraries by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      On a per-square-foot basis, keeping a book store inside a gun store is stupid; there's so much more profit in just adding more display space for high-dollar-markup guns

      Owners of commercial properties get to set rents arbitrarily, and they're the ones the city council is going to listen to, not someone who can't even find a place to host his business, so they get to influence the zoning that controls where you're allowed to open your business. But if you could open your business anywhere, then you could have your combination gun store and book store, because you could own the property, or rent it from someone other than the guy downtown.

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    2. Re:We have niche libraries by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

      ... the ones the city council is going to listen to, not someone who can't even find a place to host his business, so they get to influence the zoning that controls where you're allowed to open your business.

      I really don't understand your post since where I live, there is no zoning. What was your point and does it have anything to do with trying to find a way to help a guy morph his DVD business into something that can remain profitable?

  109. Follow the Gold Standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.scarecrow.com/

    Enough said.

  110. Real life trolling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "he often listens to potential customers walk out, saying that they'd rather download the movie, and not because his prices are unreasonable."

    That means customers have ZERO intention of renting anything from the store, so why do they bother entering his store? They are TROLLING him.

  111. Preferably you switch idealogy by BrochesterL · · Score: 0

    there is only a matter of time before the drones are ignited and we all become mindless zombies turning on each other witlessly to feast on the organs reposessed by impotent "leaders" endquote.
    But you can always turn your congloborate slave of a business into a museum, That's the only archivial means of preserving your right to have your own insurance, produce your own diy audio video recording wares. Preserve the artifacts considered obsolete, and teach about there inner workings, hell reproduce your own dvd's and then just leave the door's unlocked so people in the neighborhood can use the space and security of its wall's and locker's, this way you don't have to pay for increasing insurance prices and you still have your business, until the hammer comes down of course.

  112. If RedBox can be successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then why can't a DVD store be successful?

  113. Re:Good luck negotiating public performance licens by tocs · · Score: 1

    So, show the movie not from the big six, develope a nitch.

  114. Included with each rental give them a link by Cito · · Score: 0

    Inside each box include a link to

    http://kat.ph/
    or
    http://thepiratebay.se/
    or
    http://h33t.com/

    with a direct link to the movie on a notecard so they can also download a standard definition, 720p or 1080p bluray rip as well :)

    If caught blame it on some ex employee tried to get you in trouble but you fired them for putting notecards in your movie boxes

    done.

    hehe

  115. free rentals!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Offer 1 free rental with purchase of popcorn or something like that. Additional rentals $1 per day. Concessions can be lucrative and people will buy more if being offered a free product. Make late fees $1 per day. People will go for it thinking free is good. Meanwhile they're spending extra money on snacks since they dont have to pay for their rental.

    OR

    do a membership of $10 per month unlimited rentals. rentals due back in 2 days or $1 each day late. This way you know how many subs you have, how much income per month, etc etc.

  116. spoiler! by Yomers · · Score: 1

    There are the right answer in this episode - burn the place and get insurance money!
     
    Seriously, DVD rental? Consider buying my collection of music stored on compact cassettes, you could add innovative music rental service to your store, I'm sure there got to be a HUGE demand for rare punk rock albums!

  117. Cite Source or it Didn't Happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject.

  118. Video Renaissance by Penurious+Penguin · · Score: 2

    Here is Sarasota, FL, there's a place that's been around for a long time and continues to survive. Business is probably not what is was 10 years ago, but the last time I was in, I asked such questions. Before I learned much, I interrupted to ask about Terry, one of the guys who for the last decade (or two?) seemed inseparable from the place. Unfortunately he'd passed away. Terry Porter was a real wizard of film. Aside from being a kind and interesting fellow, I knew I never had to leave the store empty-handed if I could just vaguely describe a desired genre to him. All the folks who've worked there (or still do) exhibit an impressive knowledge of film. One advantage of the store is that for many years, they've specialized in difficult-to-find material, and I suspect that even in the age anything-you-want-right-now, they still have a few things up their sleeves one would struggle to find elsewhere.

    That's about all I can say. Whether I've described their virtues well or not, they remain in the same location - with customers, but apparently without a website. I dug up their Faceclamp page and a news article on Terry; maybe between the two you'll find an idea.

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  119. Two Options by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

    I see two potential options that MIGHT allow a DVD rental company to stay above water. For the first, you could change the focus to porn and market more to the folks who like that sort of thing. For the second option, you're going to need a time machine, since nobody wants to go to a store to rent DVDs anymore and there is too much competition from RedBox and everything on the internet. Other than that, trying to keep that sort of business alive seems like an exercise in futility and being poor.

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  120. Branch Out into Porn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your friend might try branching out into porno films complete with private viewing booths, lube and plenty of tissues.

  121. Some thoughts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Partner with a local pizza chain to offer dinner and a movie delivery.

    First-Night-Free rentals. use it as a way to drive feet into the store and sell things (Niche Merch, Snacks, T-shirts) in the store. Right now redbox is 1 dollar, and only charging a dollar is almost the same as charging nothing, so youre going to have to drive profit from foot traffic anyways.

    Set up a couple of "Living Room" style theaters that can be rented for watching a film. Would this happen often? Not really... but the space would allow you to show off what a home theater setup can be like which dovetails into....

    Sell digital home theater setups. Don't focus on speakers or screens, but rather the process of taking your media services and privately owned digital media and combining them into an HTPC, Streaming Device, XBMC, or what have you. People would pay a ton for that to be set up for them. Partner with a local AV store to provide screens and speakers, they might even let you use their floor samples in your store if you have signage indicating it came from their store.

    Offer services such as
    -Commercial Media Digitization(Bring your DVD or Music collection and have it ripped to MKV, MP3, FLAC or whatever. DMCA allows for a backup, you just make the backup for them. They can BYO storage medium or purchase from you).

    -Home Movie Conversion to Disc or Digital

    -Archival quality data back up. Scare people with the very real fact that facebook, tumblr, instagram and all the others could just go away one day- and explain that they need archival quality backup of photos and important documents. Many organizations do this for corporations, you could do it for consumers. It could be a tack on yearly fee with the digitization services.

    These are all just off the top of my head, if you have more specific details about the area I could be less generic.

    1. Re:Some thoughts... by jjsimp · · Score: 1

      The would run into a lot of trouble with the Mafia with the digitization of movies. Audio they could do as no copy protection, but movies have copy protection and you can not circumvent copy protection without the Mafia being in your business.

  122. Coffe Lounge by donweel · · Score: 1

    Perhaps add a lounge area and sell coffee. Provide movie magazine literature wifi for browsing. I myself prefer browsing in a physical store and the movie banter that can be had. My biggest problem is the returns, late rentals remembering to return physical media. It would be nice if this could be solved by using a temporary media or return by mail.

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  123. Fees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know how you structure late fees, but consider having some sort of amnesty policy. There is a very cool video store in town that I would love to rent from, but I haven't for 5 years because they want me to pay $20 to start doing so again. I know it seems silly, but the fees weren't my fault and the store didn't care, and then the years just passed and it became a pride thing.

    There are a lot of people who have what they consider good reasons not to pay the late fees on their account. A store can't really afford to say "Well then we don't want you as a customer." anymore.

    I'd say try putting up a banner that says anyone who comes in during the month of January gets all past late fees removed (New Year's fresh start, etc) See how many old customers come back.

  124. Re:I know you hate the RIAA by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

    Oh wow, this takes me back. I remember when this sob story was posted on /. about five years ago and kuro5hin about ten years ago. And it was always a store that had been around for 12 years.

    Ah, happy days.

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  125. Re:I know you hate the RIAA by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 1

    This is a really old copy/paste troll from back in the Napster days.

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  126. What services would I pay for? Theres your problem by Osgeld · · Score: 0

    If I just want to rent a DVD, I will go pay a buck twenty at a redbox. If I go to a rental store, I am automatically paying 3 to 5 times in premium for the same service that a vending machine provides... why would I pay even more for some arbitrary service when you really should be kissing ass for even having me as a customer in the first place?

  127. Change your line of business by boddhisatva · · Score: 1

    When I designed a database to store sequenced DNA and it's attendant "annotation", clients had to subscribe individually to about 80 feeds (beyond a few free ones) of data. Each one was a negotiated rate and contract. A client told me that if I could negotiate with all of these sources and deliver data from a single source, he sou;d make me an extremely wealthy man. I found that the only way to accomplish this would be bribes, beatings and blackmail. This is why Netflix has a lineup of movies for streaming that include the worst movies ever made, from "Amazon Women on the Moon" to "Nazis from the Center of the Earth". There is no reason why every movie, every made, in every language couldn't be available to stream on the web. Movies aren't that big and bandwidth is growing. I watch HD movies over wireless - no problem. Negotiating with the movie owners and getting reasonable contracts is the problem. He who can do this will become a very wealthy man (or woman). DVDs, CDs, etc. are used less and less to distribute everything, including software. If you must, at least for the moment, sell the DVDs that people can't get anywhere else.

  128. NIche markets... by klubar · · Score: 2

    Actually the buggy whip business isn't dead, but has turned into a niche market. A quick google search revealed http://www.jedediahsbuggywhip.org/sales.nxg which goes after the accurate period reproduction whips and repairs and has been in business since 1851. A different company has gone after the modern market with LED buggy whips (for visibility at night). The advantage is that these stores can reach a national market from a centralized location (much like Netflix).

    The real solution is to redefine the business using the existing customers as a base...video game rentals, snack food/beer with a side of video. But it's a pretty tough challenge in a saturated retail market with not a lot of IP other than a customer list, knowledge of movies and location.

    1. Re:NIche markets... by Etcetera · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "a customer list, knowledge of movies and location" sounds like a perfect mixture of what you need.

      A lot of suggestions on here are emphasizing the physical connection and shared experience, but I'd shy away from the "become the NPR book club experience for indie movies" direction. People still go to movie theatres after all, and not just the art-house ones. Keep your focus on the mainstream local customer market.

      My thoughts?

      1) Make it very easy to browse. Apple spent a b unch of money working on "Album Cover" browse mode, and Netflix tries to micro-genre target for you .. try to come up with a happy medium in physicality.
      2) Emphasize the human connection -- events, specials, etc. I don't know what the location is like, but if there's a restaurant next door, come up with a dinner-and-a-movie cross promotion with them.
      3) A web-browsable catalog is nice, but you know what's faster than tapping in a name on your PS3 Netflix controller? Calling a number (assuming you're staffing your phones). Make it super easy to reach a live person, preferably one who might know you by name when you walk in. Hire movie nerds just like Gamestop hires game nerds.
      4) Use location cell services (Foursquare, Google Local or whatever they call it) heavily... Specials, deals, mayorships, etc...
      5) As someone else said... if you can't beat em, join em. Get high speed internet and wireless (protected, with daily changing keys that are on the receipt or something) and set up some areas for people to deal with streaming services. Maybe get a Red Box and stick it *inside* your store -- I have no idea on pricing, but see if you can set the price for it somewhere above the default.
      6) Upsell with food/drinks just like Blockbuster did.
      7) Don't try to undercut yourself out of business by lowering price, but offer meaningful loyalty rewards. It's more important to *keep customers coming back* than to make high profits off each one.

      Good luck!

  129. Re:value of time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're a fool if you really think that it takes 3 hours to download a movie for most people. Hell, I used to live in a very rural area (The entire county only had 3 stop lights), but I had a good enough wifi connection to download a movie in half an hour. Now I'm in an area where I can literally download a movie in less time than it would take me to walk to the Redbox that's a few hundred feet from my house.

    As far as quality, of the hundreds of movies that I've downlaoded, not one had any porn spliced in, let alone CP. The only ones that were "crappy copies" were ones where the DVD had not been released yet, and were clearly labeled as such before downloading.

  130. Open a coffee shop by drolli · · Score: 1

    Yep, that's it. Convert it to a cozy cafe with a few shelves of DVDs attached, provide space for laptops, and charge per hour. Provide some small separate rooms to watch the DVDs together, in case people like to sit around and have some selection.

    (Oh. I must admit this idea is stolen. Manga cafes in Japan work that way - and they are still relevant).

    Alternatively: One of the things where people may be more comfortable paying in cash than via a credit card and somebody keeping a central record may be adult movies.

  131. Get with the times by mrjb · · Score: 1

    DVD-watcher here.

    Your friend may have to get with the times, because let's face it: the days that physical media were a requirement for distribution are over. It's so much more convenient for people not to have to leave the comfort of their own home when they want to watch a movie. It's for a reason that rental places have now started mailing out the media and accepting them back by mail: It's far more convenient than having to go to a DVD store.

    I don't rent movies, but I do buy them on DVD. However, I'm cheap; I rarely ever pay full price for them. For the most of it, I either get them refurbished or from the thrift shop. Very sorry but I'm no longer willing to sponsor the thugs that call themselves "the movie industry". Also, I still like having the physical item, which allows me to watch them at my convenience (rather than being forced to watch them within 24 hours from paying), in reasonable full-screen quality. To me, there's still some added value to physical media. If your friend wants to remain in business, he'll have to either switch business model to media-less distribution, or provide significant added value that downloadable movies cannot offer.

    In the end, it's not about watching moving images but about entertainment. If your friend provides a one-stop no-hassle solution for that, he might draw people to his shop. In addition to DVD, he might consider selling various snacks and beverages. For rom-coms, perhaps he might provide candles, essential oils or whatever else sets the mood. Perhaps it's worth considering making a deal with a local restaurant and provide dinner vouchers at reduced price.

    Now the above isn't new. The media business has been doing many of the above already for a good number of years. If your friend insists focusing on selling or renting out physical media, he'll have a very, very tough time ahead.

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  132. Diversify by Rinnon · · Score: 1

    There's a locally owned DVD rental store near where I live. This may not be viable for your friend, but they've always also been in the market of Game Rentals/Used Sales. They are essentially the only place to rent video games, and their prices on Used Games are way better than EB/Game Stop. Not only do they pay more (cash) for your used games, they also sell them for cheaper, so competing with EB/Game Stop is not incredibly challenging. Only problem, is that they've been in this business since BEFORE we had an EB games in the mall, back when I'd buy my Super NES games used. I'm not sure if it'll be possible to start that up from scratch at this point, with most people already granting EB the monopoly in their minds.

  133. Just do something else. by preflex · · Score: 1

    My buddy used to own a video store. He's a bartender now. He makes more money, and I get free beer.

  134. Re:value of time? by jandar · · Score: 1

    In Germany there is a kind of tax on blank media like CD, DVD or USB-sticks to compensate for *legal* private copying. You are legally allowed to copy for your own friends but not for people your known only to share with.

  135. Good retail location? by slazzy · · Score: 1

    If it is a good retail location, look at storing the DVDs in a more efficient manner to make room for other products to sell. I would look at what is missing in the area of the store and see if you could offer that as well. Maybe serve good espresso, and make room for a few tables if it is allowed by zoning laws.

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  136. I think all the go niche posts are bad adivice by DarkOx · · Score: 2

    All of the go niche posts are going to lead to tears. I keep seeing do anime, or do unusual scifi, or become and expert service, book/movie clubs. The trouble I see here is these all rely on exclusivity and digital media by its very nature defies that.

    It might be true that today none of the big streaming services is quite all things to all people but the market is speaking pretty clearly. The horse has left the barn some combination of streaming and digital downloads are the future video distribution, at least as far as entertainment is concerned.

    All the nice plans will require a major investment, and the corner video store guy is not going to be able to negotiate any kind of license exclusivity. All it would take is one of the big streaming players to get some blanket license agreements for the big content players ( who own the rights to much of the independent and historical stuff one way or another ) and suddenly his very narrow selection of customers is gone to greener pastures. In the meantime he will have invested lots of capital into assets of little or no residual value.

    Personally I think his best bet if its good retail space is sell off library and lease or sublet the shop to someone interested in operating a business of some kind fit for the modern era.

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  137. Weekly free beer nights. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I live in Austin and there are actually still quite a few video rental places around town. Some within blocks of each other. The reasons these places have survived seems to be a mixture weird Austin culture, and the video stores having genuinely unique and hard to find titles. The atmosphere of the stores is usually something quite good to. For example "I Luv Video" in Austin offers FREE BEER on Tuesdays. Here are some links to their websites so you can see what make these places special:
    http://www.iluvvideo.com/#!home/mainPage
    http://vulcanvideo.com/

  138. Weed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If his store is located in Colorado or Washington, he could sell a bud with each disc rental. Beats streaming off the net anyday!

  139. Needs industry help. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    I always thought that a really good business could be had in store sales of on demand burned dvds. As a store owner, you wouldn't need any inventory. As a consumer you wouldn't need to worry about figuring out how to play a downloaded video on the big screen ( several middle aged and younger idiots really can't figure it out) or worry about you not having the video they want. They just need the studios to be on board and not charge exorbitant prices for the movies.

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  140. internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Rental Stores can perhaps set up web services such a live streaming to you home,laptop,phone, or other mobile device. And perhaps they can also provide more special features such as interviews with the actors and such. Another idea could be selling mobile devices with collections of movies and or music. That way people would have more options when they go into the store. Boy do I wish I wasn't so sick with so many health problems or this world would be very different. Long live Tesla

  141. Change the business model by NEDHead · · Score: 1

    Turn it in to a museum for archaic media models - like the various 'Computer Museums' that can be found in many cities.

  142. simple answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Porn.

  143. Be like Gamestop by Etcetera · · Score: 1

    Seriously... in a world where many titles are now completely downloadable -- and content creators are designing their products to resist the second-hand market (one-time use product keys, etc..) -- Gamestop is still surviving, even in cities where bandwidth isn't a problem at all.

    Why? Events, employee knowledge, various rental policies, buy-backs, reasons to pre-order/frequent the location, etc. Whatever they're doing, try to duplicate it at your movie shop. Make it a "go-to place" for your community and provide the best, most custom service you can.

    Millions of fans stood in line for Breaking Dawn, Part 2 this weekend when many could either wait for streaming soon, or pirate it the same day if they were technically inclined. Why? There's a shared experience in a midnight showing. Find a way for your rural location to provide something similar and you might be able to buck the trend.

  144. DVD viewing rooms by bravo369 · · Score: 1

    I think DVD rentals will be dead in a few years if not already however if you are not going to supplement inventory with something else, like a coffe lounge or other products like people mentioned, how about DVD viewing rooms for people rent. Perhaps couches and nice TV's out in the open so people can watch it in the store. Have options where they can upgrade to private rooms for up to 12 people with stadium seating, popcorn, soda machine etc. Many audiophiles will have a crazy home setup but many people don't so they may be willing to rent a DVD and then watch it in these rooms. Kid's maybe will have b-day parties there

  145. Chrome for Android does not support this plug-in. by tepples · · Score: 1

    Prime streams in a flash-enabled browser.

    "Chrome for Android does not support this plug-in."

  146. convert to a Internet cafe?? by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

    for those services that allow you to download a time locked copy to view offline you could allow folks to pay a certain amount of money for %timeblock%.

    you could have different types of blocks for sale

    1 cheap/free: you get throttled down to 256K speeds
    2 economy: 1M speeds
    3 Gold: 2M speeds
    4 Platinum: Unthrottled

    Of course you would want to have good logs and say thumbprints of each account holder (legal reasons)

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  147. Swede-ing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Maybe he and his employees, or his customers, "Swede" those movies on DVD, a la Be Kind, Rewind?

  148. Data centre! by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

    Go with it!

    - Allow people to walk in with their own hard drive. Plug in by USB and download directly to it, no knowledge encrypted form via a connection that won't involve harassment (VPN, copper pair to Data Centre, I'm sure Slashdotters can elaborate), and possibly even setup so the data is "owned" by the people downloading it, if that's possible, like a shell. You could have a fee to deposit your drive, a fee to retrieve it and a fee to store it. You have to get those 3 fees balanced reasonable yet at the right rate so people treat it with respect.

    - Rent 3D displays and other expensive 5 minute wonder gaming equipment no one can (should) be able to afford. When not being sold, allow people to play with them in store for a small fee

    - act as a porn shop for people's gadgets that they no longer need, then rent them out to people as part of the agreement!

    - come to some sort of agreement with Valve and Steam? Let people play in store? I'm sure this was covered before somewhere...

  149. Tanning beds. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, every movie rental place that still exists in my area has tanning beds. It's just a bandage, not a cure but it may keep him going for a bit longer while he figures out what the NEXT business will be.

  150. selection at video stores better than Netflix by allwheat · · Score: 1

    Look at top-film lists for any genre or time-period and then see which of those are available on Netflix (streaming). It's less than 1 in 10. Then look at new releases. Very few are available on Netflix for download. Selection is a big divider for Netflix and brick/mortars. These two areas (popular/classic favorites and new releases) are Netflix weaknesses that are local video store strengths. Hang on to these and try to do them well.

    Common weaknesses are general selection. The fact is there are millions of movies out there, and not even Netflix can offer all of them. I'd really like to see all the films of Francois Truffaut, for example, but you can't on Netflix. You also can't at your local video store. But this is where I like what another slashdot commentor said: let the user sponsor the dvd. I think they said through buy-back, which is a good option if the store wants the disc, but if not, I'd also let them purchase the dvd and share in any profits from rentals and let them own the disc after a time if no one's renting it.

    One area where video rentals could have innovated 10 years ago but are still resisting is in video research. Put up a kiosk in your store where people can do movie research and that shows them whether the movie they want is available (for rent, and whether currently in-stock) in your store. Put this online too, so people can look it up before they drive all the way to your store. You already have computerized systems that tell the store the same info, so it can't be too hard to make it available to the customers. Even Netflix is squandering this possibility, especially since they split the dvd and streaming business lines. Now when you search for a movie that is not in their streaming-only system, it doesn't show you the title and say 'sorry-not available for streaming' or give you the option to rent-by-mail, it actually suggests totally different movies, making you think you entered the wrong title or something. And while you're at it, give the users a flat-screen tv to watch movie trailers on while they're there.

    There are ways for brick/mortar's to survivce for a bit longer, but I give dvd/hd rental companies 3-5 years max, for the ones that really try to hang on. The ideas I've given above are areas where locals can offer big advantages over digital streaming services, but those wrinkles will be ironed out soon enough in streaming. I guess then you could try to target poor areas where the net isn't ubiquitous. Long-term, perhaps there is a way to take advantage of the meat-space aspect of local stores, but I can't think of any, except for the general fostering of community. Sorry I can't help in this area, but if you want to survive long-term, it's got to be in the community--something that puts customers face-to-face and interacting in a fun way.

  151. What I would like to see at my local DVD store by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I miss at my local DVD rental store is the ability to see online if they have a specific movie.
    A first step would be to put up a list of all movies and the current number of copies owned by the store.
    The next step would be to include real-time information on how many copies are available right now.
    Registered members could be allowed spice up the entries with more information (links to imdb).
    They could place a reservation for the next 15 minutes or request a notification for when it is available again.
    The front page could list the new arrivals and the movies that will be available soon.

    Like many customers I prefer price models where I have to pay little.
    At my local shop you pay for the number of days at which you had access to the video.
    So if I rent a movie at 10pm and return it at 11am, I have to pay for two full days.
    I would prefer them to bill me for the 13 hours or even for 24 hours.
    This would fit the common use case of deciding on a set of movies in the afternoon and watching those
    over night without paying attention to the clock to return them before the shop closes.

  152. The Answer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is CANNONBALLS! Your friend should join forces with a cannonball maker and create an unstoppable retail juggernaut of unparalleled relevance! For further research, please see this link: http://s-p-s-16-e-12.blogspot.com/

  153. Videomatica.ca by Maow · · Score: 1

    The only possible way to survive is to develop a niche. Streaming services are usually pretty good for recent movies, but a lot of back catalogue stuff is hard to find. Specialize in the stuff that's out of print, rare, etc. But really, I'm hard-pressed to see how that business model would be sustainable as a primary income source in most communities. There simply isn't enough demand for the content, especially given the huge amount of material available through Netflix's mail catalogue.

    Videomatica in Vancouver was (is?) famous for their foreign films and back catalogues and were staffed by movie buffs.

    They had talked about closing up, but checking them just now (redirects to new site), they've closed their flagship store and are sharing a location with a record store.

    They'd been in business for some 25 years or so, yet had to downscale their location in a reasonably large city just to keep the doors open.

  154. Scarecrow Video does this by ejoe_mac · · Score: 1

    http://www.scarecrow.com/ - it's just a matter if your local market will support it..

  155. Videomatica by Maow · · Score: 2

    Videomatica in Vancouver was (is?) famous for their foreign films and back catalogues and were staffed by movie buffs.

    They had talked about closing up, but checking them just now (redirects to new site), they've closed their flagship store and are sharing a location with a record store.

    They'd been in business for some 25 years or so, yet had to downscale their location in a reasonably large city just to keep the doors open. And I think they were popular Canada-wide for those really hard to get rentals among people willing to pay shipping...

    Your friend might be able to get some ideas by looking at how they adapted to the times.

    PS Tried to post this before, still have the "Working" throbber on my screen; apologies if it's a repeat.

    1. Re:Videomatica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Videomatica only exists in name only as a rump section in Zulu Records, which itself doesn't look too healthy. The original owners of Videomatica retired, precisely because of the destruction of its market by digital downloads. They donated most of their collection to either UBC or SFU, so there's only a few cult items left at Zulu. If you've been in the store lately, I think you would find that it is hardly a persuasive argument for the "niche" posts.

    2. Re:Videomatica by Maow · · Score: 1

      Videomatica only exists in name only as a rump section in Zulu Records, which itself doesn't look too healthy. The original owners of Videomatica retired, precisely because of the destruction of its market by digital downloads. They donated most of their collection to either UBC or SFU, so there's only a few cult items left at Zulu. If you've been in the store lately, I think you would find that it is hardly a persuasive argument for the "niche" posts.

      Interesting. I thought they had closed up entirely and was surprised when I punched their URL in to see that some part of them still existed. Too bad only part of their collection is available through Zulu. I'd heard talk of it going to a library of some sort, but assumed Zulu got all of it.

      I used to live right next door to their building on 4th Ave, but moved away before it closed. Even then I ended up buying a new yearly membership every time I wanted to rent a movie as I only watched one per year on average.

  156. From a Former Independent Video Store Manager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    IMO, the brick-and-mortar movie rental business is in its very last days. I spent over 10 years working at an independently owned, two-location movie rental business that closed our last shop just under two years ago. Certainly, just because we couldn't continue doing it, doesn't mean no one else can. Local markets are all a bit different (I have no idea if your friend is even based in the US). Still, I feel I do have some insight into the issue.

    In short, there is only so much you can do to "stay relevant". The very nature of the at-home movie watching market has changed and will only continue to do so. You can do your best to offer films which are not yet available from Netflix, Amazon, and the other online companies, but the clock is ticking there. You can minimize your overhead as much as possible and streamline expenses to keep your doors open for as long as possible, but again, the clock is ticking.

    We outlasted the local Hollywood Video and the local Blockbuster but arrived at the conclusion that our days were numbered. The question for us was how we wanted close up shop: Holding on and scraping by until the last minute, racking up debt and anxiety in the process, or going out on a good note. We chose the latter.

    We announced our closure 30 days in advance. We threw a party and invited all of our customers and staff, old and current. The local community radio station came and broadcasted live from the store. There was food and drink. We arranged a giveaway to select customers who met certain criteria: Our first customer through the door on day 1, and our last customer through the door on our final day of formal operation, our top five highest-renting customers, and the customer who payed the most late fees. These customers were allowed to pick any 5 DVDs and keep them for free. Every other DVD was available for sale. Turn out was better than we could have hoped, we sold a lot of inventory, and the kind words from our customers were amazing. It was bittersweet to be sure, but we ended on a good note and when it was all said and done, the owners made it out alright financially.

    Best of luck to your friend and their employees.

  157. This is what I would do... by w2ed · · Score: 1

    I'm going to share what I would do if I was opening a video store today: I'd make sure to have enough space for 3-4 screens, in addition to the rental and server space. When the screens are not in for special events - for example, showings of Christmas movies around Christmas or the Lord of the Rings Trilogy before The Hobbit comes out - they can be used to show trailers, like many of the TV screens used in many of the video stores today are, and the area itself could be used for a cafe/coffee house that has wi-fi hotspots built-in. I'd also throw in a record and book store, and sell stuff relevant to the movies. For example, around Christmas I'd make sure to stock up on the famous leg lamps similar to the one in "A Christmas Story", as well as a constant supply of red Swingline Staplers (in addendum to other geek-based staples, such as lightsabers and star ship models.) I'd try to keep the merchandise consistent to the videos we sell - for example, while we'd sell CD's by Linkin Park, we'd probably have more "Dracula 2000" or "Transformers" soundtracks - where they're featured artists - than studio or live albums in stock, except when new releases come out. I'd also play on social media, trying to keep people interested in the store, and encourage customers to "hang out." Most businesses think of customers who stay in longer than a set period - usually 30-45 minutes - as wasted space, but I see them as opportunity. Offer services, such as food and drinks, while customers decide on something; offer private screening rooms for "Twilight birthday parties"; etc. On the web site, offer links to services you offer, games and other things to keep people interested, etc. Heck, even offer electronics - why not go home with a new TV and Blu-Ray Player for those three copies of Harry Potter you just rented? I'd also go as small as possible in two areas: Price and franchises. If possible, in fact, avoid franchising altogether - you may get a good deal by going with BlockBuster, but their rules and marketing may interefere with your strategies and prices. Likewise, you want to attract people to YOUR business - you can't stop others from copying your idea, but if you can limit your base to one store like yours for every 200,000 customers, you should be able to do the kind of business that video stores used to do when there was one every other block. Pricing should be kept to a minimal as well - it may cost $100+ per copy of every movie, but charging more than $2 a night on any movie is a little unreasonable, especially in an age where people can easily access illegal copies for free.It may mean that you make only a couple of dollars an hour more, after expenses are paid out, than your top managers, but the adoption of little niches and things that make you stand out will, in the long run, keep you open and more relevant longer than your competitors that stick to the "tried-and-true" business model adopted by many video, record, and media stores that have and are going by the wayside. This is just what I would do, though - I don't know what this guy has for space, whether his video store is a franchise or is his own business, or the kind of location dealing he has for his area or with the companies he deals with.

  158. All you can eat buffet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure but my best guess is that I MIGHT think it would be a decent deal to pay say $35-$50 to be able to have 5-10movies at home and be able to switch as often as I like. The most annoying part with rentals is that you have to return them on time.
    And then ofcorse the normal possibility to buy popcorn, candy and pizza.

    Another idea would be to build small rooms with good sound and say a 46" tv and a recliner chair where people could watch a movie. That is something I'm accually quite sure could work. It could cost as much or a little more then a cinema ticket. I would pay for it every now and then, not for the great experience as much as for 1,5-2h of time to UNDISTURBED accually watch a movie. (anyone with a family knows that alonetime is a luxery you would pay for)

  159. DVD rental is no longer a business plan by mysidia · · Score: 1

    Find something else to sell. Possibly the use of on-site 'screening rooms' with equipment, that customers can use to watch a movie they just rented with friends, or make the DVD a free gift, when spending $30 to rent a room -- make the money on selling drinks and popcorn.

    Switch to selling books, posters, art.

    Find a legal way to provide a "digital" version for the rental period.

    It all boils down to: begin developing and executing a backup plan immediately, get into other business besides DVD rental, plan carefully but move post haste into other businesses that are similar that you can execute, that are more long for this world than DVD rentals.

  160. Premium DVDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    awI bought a 3d tv and BRDVD, but I dont want to drop$40 every time I want to see smoething in3d,but my local dvd shop wont carry 3d dvds.nice business model, dinosaur. make sure you carry premium options because generic dvdsare ony $5 to buy. Idpay $5 -7 to be able to rent a 3d disc...

  161. Rent systems, not DVDs by The_Revelation · · Score: 1

    I think the problem is if you forever want to rent DVDs you will never turn a profit... because DVDs are basically inferior to what I can download. That said, I think there is a tremendous untapped market on game console rentals. Being able to go down and rent a Wii for a weekend is a stellar move, and you move games with every system rental that goes out the door. Glue a GPS to them in case they don't come back. There is a massive video store down the road from my house. Completely useless building. I can't even rent PC games from them. And why would I ever want to rent a $5 DVD when I can own the damn thing for $19.95? Hell, the last time I used a Blockbuster the assholes tried to stiff me with a $50 fine.

  162. don't niche, change or sell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Putting money into a niche is risky. If you are into hard to find DVD's movies (which I imagine is a small pool to begin with) you are probably looking on the internet and not locally. The population size of the area may not even be large.

    He's identified DVD's are on the way out. Game rentals / dvd's etc are dying as wel all know. Even netflix doesn't believe in the DVD business, and is going to streaming (they tried to spin off their dvd business, now it will just slowely die off). There is no way to compete with streaming.

    A website of the inventory would be helpful, but honestly that is more money into a loosing business. The model needs to change.

    If the dvd business is still profitable now, then shrinking it and using the space for something else is the way to go. Subletting to another business (pizza / coffee / etc ) can help pay the rent. I've seen a cartridge world (ink / toner refiller) do ok, depending on the area it could work. People are still printing and need ink.

    Finally what I have not seen mentioned is try to sell the business now, and get out.

  163. WTF? DVD stoes still exist? by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

    They all turned into DVD vending machines here about 5 years ago.

    Suburbs of Paris, France

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  164. free popcorn by johnrpenner · · Score: 1

    its cheap, and the smell brings in people that the rational mind would not.. :-p

    of coure —you've got to get them out from behind their computer at home first.. :-p

    j

  165. Change to a Dinner Theater Partner with someone.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Change to a Dinner Theater Partner with someone.. don't rent just one movie, rent 3 at a time and come up with themes work up about 100 theme based rentals start a $20/mo club .. offer a dinner theater.. with themes during the week.. if you don't have a beer license or food partner with someone that does and cater it.. charge $25 or so for the experience.. run old quirky movies.. think mystery science theater 3000 one of the nights.. showing the films might have legal issues this is why out of copyright movies should be able to be utilized. Make the movie in the background.. have small speakers on each table.. so people can hang out laugh about the movie.. have some snacks have a few drinks and get out of there by 8 or 9 PM. It might take a while to get the formula right.

    People want experiences .. Nextflix is fine and all, but it's like the tap water of the world.. be the bottle water, be the independent brewer of beer.. but for the movie rental world. If your in a city even maybe try and get some past movie stars of old to drop by and get some PR. Don't think of it as evolving into something new and fun..

  166. Ways to adjust by wincel · · Score: 1

    There are ways to adjust I believe. Offer independent movies that earned prizes at some of the many (many!) festivals worldwide like Canne, Berlinale, Sundance etc. Basically build a niche that is quality versus recent stuff. Oscilloscope movies for example are often good and Netflix is lacking many of these. Get international movies which are really hard to get in U.S. except through shopping like Infidel, Samsara, Intimate Strangers, Dragonhunters (french) etc. Cater to themes, Star Wars, Star Trek etc with special editions which fans will want to watch but you can't get through streaming. Offer if possible random but acclaimed picks of each major genre so people can just go and grab something without searching much for a movie. Deliver movies like a pizza with people able to select/order one online. We have Netflix and such in streaming but still often go for Redbox or small DVD rentals because ... there are lots of movies we'd like to see but not available in the mainstream market.

    1. Re:Ways to adjust by wincel · · Score: 1

      Oh and essential for less known movies: always have computers where you offer the trailer via youtube or IMDB so people can quickly check if they like the movie.

  167. Expand the DVD Library with foreign/ethnic titles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our local mom & pop DVD rental does okay, they have a huge library and I enjoy the foreign section, perhaps educating the clientèle on the best and latest foreign DVDs.

  168. Sell laser discs. They'll be hot again. by jcphil · · Score: 1

    Seriously. Once a medium is past, you can't pump it up again.

  169. people aren't renting dvds, so what do you think? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in the retail space - i'd try selling high-profit items - like cellphones, plans, laptops, etc... just like some of the other suggestions - even then, that is a tough space.
    if your town only has box-store service for computers/electronics - then you could win a little with customer service - selling/fixing computers/cellphones.

    honestly though - if i was an investor - i'd probably try to force you to sell\sublet the space, or start a brewery (i like beer) lol.

    there is no good sustainable market for dvd rentals. period. - no amount of frivolous bullshit is going to change that - if any of your family/friends are encouraging you to keep that business - but are not willing to put their own money in it - then they are full of shit and they aren't telling you the truth.

    regarding businesses in entertainment - first thing that happens if there is a slight dip in the economy - people stop buying/renting entertainment. don't do it - not now anyway - in a booming economy - yes/maybe - but this one is so shit in North America that i wouldn't possibly even consider it.

    go to school, learn something useful that gets you a job - none of this fairy arts bull shit - get a job - when the economy is better, then go back do whatever the hell you want.

    you are screwing yourself over if you invest in a business that is DOOOOOOOOOOMED to fail - though you can probably strafe off the inevitable with good customer service and selling high-volume/highly profitable shit.

  170. Possible solution by theatrecade · · Score: 1

    maybe if it's small add viewing nights or themes. providing a lounge is a good idea. adding books and well basically local B&N yourself but make it worth the time of the customer to enjoy your place. There is a place in orlando called stardust that kinda has a feel on this situation

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  171. ...and aren't on Netflix by tepples · · Score: 1

    How is one supposed to watch movies that have already expired out of the Redbox system yet aren't on Netflix?

    Netflix.

    Somehow I don't understand. Would you explain how to use Netflix to watch movies that aren't on Netflix?

  172. At-will states by LanMan04 · · Score: 0

    Answer #2: Any unskilled employee who'd like to have a paycheck if they live in a right to work state where "at will" employment predominates. Which unsurprisingly happens to be the states with the lowest unemployment rates right now.

    And the highest percentage of minimum-wage and sub-par wages, I'm sure.

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    1. Re:At-will states by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      Well, the mean hourly wage for employed folks in Virginia (right to work state, 5.9% unemployment) is $23.50 while the mean hourly wage in Michigan (not a right to work state, 9.3% unemployment) is $21.01.

      If you feel like putting together a complete table, you can find the data at http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oessrcst.htm. If I had to make a bet, I'd bet on the pool of unemployed workers dragging down the wage of employed workers so that there's a similar correlation between right to work and wages as there is between right to work and unemployment.

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    2. Re:At-will states by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, maybe I will do a bit of analysis there.

      One thing about Virginia: It is a VERY special case in that huge numbers of people there are employed either directly by the Federal Government or through very large federal contractors. The Virginia economy always does fantastically because of this, has home values that bounce back more quickly after recessions, etc.

      Same goes for Maryland, but to a lesser extent.

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    3. Re:At-will states by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      Of course. Maryland and DC aren't a right to work states so their unemployment hovers at 6.9% and 8.7% respectively. Virginia's is at 5.9%, despite the direct and indirect influx of massive amounts of federal dollars to all three.

      The major difference is that the Internet industry settled in Northern Virginia ignoring Maryland's every attempt to lure it across the border. Of course there was more to that than right to work. In Virginia we sarcastically refer to our northern neighbor as the "People's Republic of Maryland" because they enact a lot of nanny-state laws, not just on employment.

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  173. One Word: Classics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Start stocking a ton of 20th century movies. Concentrate on pre-1975. Lots of sci-fi from the 40s and 50s. Have you seen Netflix's "classic" movie selection? It doesn't exist. Fresh prints of cinema classics are coming out on Blu-Ray all the time. Capitalize on it!

  174. Location Location Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Video rental stores can still eek out a living in rural areas where internet speeds are too slow for useful streaming.

    The choices for those movie viewers are satellite TV (where most movies are edited or broadcast without the full picture), Netflix through the mail, or driving into town to rent a movie.

  175. Move to RedBox style setup. by Serpent6877 · · Score: 1

    He needs to move to a Redbox style setup. There are plenty of vendors online that have better setup's than Redbox. DVDNow and a few others. Even offer video games which suprising is still a pretty good rental market. A lot of kids rather rent the game for a few days to a week since that is all the time it takes to beat most of them now days.

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  176. WARNING: This isn't an immediate helpful comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've trolled thru some of the comments today. There are a few good ones. That being said, the effort level to execute most of the suggestions is very high. Running a business that is relatively straight forward to begin with (DVD rental) is already of a high 'effort level'. I'm sorry, your friend should start looking at another line of business all together. I know it's not an impossibility to turn things around. It's a sad reality unfortunately. I feel for him. I actually (somewhat) enjoyed going to the video store and renting movies.. I miss the local BlockBuster - there is nothing else around where I live to rent movies. Most of the movies on NetFlix suck. That being said, with the Internet delivering the movies right to my TV, I doubt I'd be visiting a 'good rental store' even if one existed. Just my 2 cents worth of lazy advice. This problem of attracting customers is going to get more and more difficult. Friend needs to move on with a different business. I run a tech business, and even the tech business is getting harder to run. Less people are buying physical servers - they want more cloud offerings. Sure I have set up a cloud a few years ago, but most of the younger techs out in the field now are growing up with Amazon's and Heroku's etc - I can offer cost effective cloud service but too many people just side with the "big guys". I make the same mistake in my life.... There is a small hardware store that has most of the everyday items you need close to my home.... I still go to home depot instead - most of the time just because I forget about the little place, or I know 'for sure' that Home Depot will have what I need. Sad reality. He shouldn't give up on running a business - maybe just not the business he is in. I know I have a defeatist attitude here, regardless, this is just one persons opinion.

  177. Re:+1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Birddog Video in Calgary, AB had one of the best selections of obscure, import, and limited-release titles imaginable, the most helpful staff I've ever encountered, and they closed last year because they could not sustain business in a city of over a million people.

    OP needs to tell his friend to open up a Hot Topic or something.. unless of course his friend is Randy from South Park, that episode was gold.

  178. specialties + browsing by rplante · · Score: 1

    I have a favorite DVD rental store that keeps my business and seems to stay sufficiently useful to my community. Others have mentioned the importance of niche films--classics, art films, sub-genres (e.g anime, LGBT, etc.). It's not that these can't be found on-line (I don't know--maybe they can't), but they provide an environment where it's easy to browse through them along side of the blockbuster movies. Thus, you might go in looking for the Avengers, but you might also come home with a documentary, too. They also do a nice job of assembling temporary theme shelves that again mixes the new and familiar with the older and more obscure. Hey, I still enjoy bookstores, so maybe i'm living in a bubble of yesteryear.

  179. cater to my laziness by smash · · Score: 1

    Part of the reason that streaming/downloading is so popular is that I don't need to go to the video store, deal with lines, etc.

    Combine DVD rental with that other staple of human laziness - fast food delivery. Get into business with the Pizza store and provide food + blu-ray / dvd delivery as a bundled service.

    If you're going to simply keep your existing product and try to compete with digital downloads, you will fail.

    Actually even then it might be hard - another beauty of digital download is that once I'm done with the movie, i need to do nothing - no returns, no overdues, etc. So they'll need to address that as well.

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  180. Make it a Movie 'Club' by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    Offer a membership to a movie 'Club'. Have a monthly fee and let the customers have 3 movies out at a time. This would be better than Netflix in that you could pick and watch your movie within the hour. If a customer wanted have a movie marathon one weekend, they could literally go through a dozen movies in a weekend. It is no sweat off of the rental store's nose if the customer changes his movies a half dozen times in a weekend. They will still only have three movies out at a time.

    While you are at it, include games. There is a lot of crap out their for all of the systems. The games are expensive. Being able to rent a few games, and when they suck, take them back the same day and try something new would be a boon.

    I don't know if anyone does it in other areas, but I haven't seen any rental stores that have a Netflix style subscription.

  181. Porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a lot to be said for viewing porn, in the confines of your own home, without anyone knowing about it. Privacy has become a serious issue in the digital age.

  182. DVD is dead. by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

    Blockbuster know this. This is why Blockbuster are selling up. That said, Domino's Pizza are offering free movie rentals with pizzas now - maybe move to pizza delivery?

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    1. Re:DVD is dead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or instead of pizza, which Dominos delivers, deliber other delis. Maybe drop off movies along with a meal from BK, Wendys, Jack-in-the-Box or what have you. And pad the needed margins either to the food, or the movies, whichever is driving the demand, and call the other item 'free'.

  183. Re:I know you hate the RIAA by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

    This takes me back. Back about oh, six years ago when I read this exact same story on another forum. WORD FOR FUCKING WORD.

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  184. Think about the real top market here by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    There is still a significant market for DVD rental in this country - senior citizens. They tend to own TVs and DVD players but they tend not to own computers (or at least, with high-speed internet). Stock up on the movies they want to rent. Offer a senior discount (maybe just on Tuesdays or something). Advertise in areas where they go and places where they live.

    Naturally, that market is time-limited, but you should be able to make money off of it for a while yet. While it's still viable you could even try running it as a senior-centric internet cafe, offering them assistance with things that might not be easy for older folks to do online.

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  185. Compete directly! by Dan+East · · Score: 1

    Take on your biggest competition - Netflix and Redbox - head on. This will only take "homework", which is just the owner dedicating a little time. Create a special, prominent movie section. Start picking out very popular yet older movies. Check if each of those movies are available locally at Redbox, Blockbuster kiosks, and / or streaming (Netflix, Amazon, etc). That can be done totally online. Any of those movies that you have for rent that are not available through those other sources go in your new movie section. This section needs to be promoted as movies you can get NOW, that you cannot get ANYWHERE ELSE. "Instant Entertainment", that can only be had from your rental store.

    You do have exclusivity! That is what you need to play on. There are HUGE gaps in what is available for streaming, and Kiosks have such small capacity that pretty much all they carry are the latest releases. All that is required is to recognize which titles meet that marketing criteria, which should be done weekly, and most importantly, to let customers know that your competition actually provides a very small and incomplete selection of movies.

    Take this even further by promoting series and prequels to movies currently in theaters. For example, The Hobbit is coming out next month. Interest in the entire LOTR series will be increased because of it. Same with Twilight. Promote all the previous movies. Most of those are not available via streaming, and would be hit or miss in kiosks.

    In addition, you need to have as large a collection of older movies as possible. Even if they don't fit on normal display shelves, or if you have to pack them in tight like books on a bookshelf, you cannot have too much selection or too many older movies. If you must, store the older ones in a storeroom and provide a listing / directory of those titles people can choose from. Ideally, list the movies on your website so people can at least browse them online. Even you don't have the infrastructure to set up a site allowing people to reserve online, they can still easily call and reserve that way.

    The most important part is bringing specific movies to people's attention. There are many, many older flicks people have completely forgotten about that they would enjoy, and can only get instantly through your business locally. So you need to promote good movies on a regularly changing basis.

    Now, I will point out that Netflix and others do have mail service, where people can "rent" physical movies online. Yes, you can pretty much get every movie ever made that way. However there are two huge downsides:
    1) No a la carte. People have to pay a recurring monthly membership to get those moves, and Netflix has split that service off of its streaming services. The customer can't just pay $2 for a single movie that caught their eye, and that is a big turn-off. That makes your service more economical for people who aren't planning on circulating a dozen different DVDs back and forth to Netflix a month.
    2) It's not instant. A huge appeal of a brick and mortar store is the ability to go in on a Friday night and grab a few movies for the weekend, and that requires instant gratification.

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  186. Start trading DVD's. by Bluesman · · Score: 1

    Don't focus on renting DVD's. A lot of people own a few hundred DVD's that they don't watch. Offer to buy those, and sell used DVD's cheap enough so that it amounts to a rental that you don't have to return. You can make money over and over on the same DVD that way.

    Allow people to do this by mailing in DVD's. Make it as easy as Netflix.

    Otherwise, make him watch the latest Halloween South Park and pour him two or three shots of a good single malt scotch.

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  187. Mail returns back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Allow customers to mail returns back. Personally, at least, going out to pick out a movie is no big deal, but making the trip to return it feels like effort. That alone would take some of the shine out of Netflix in comparison I'd think.

  188. Here's some ideas by SilverBlade2k · · Score: 1

    - Offer online reservations. - Blu-rays and DVD's are the same price - Free popcorn in small bags - Eliminate late fees. The one thing that pisses people off the most is rushing down to the store before it closes to avoid the late fee. Many people probably never return to a rental place if they pay a late fee. - Have enough copies in in stock for newer movies. The 'New Releases' wall was almost entirely empty every time I went. It really pissed me off. - New movies should be the same price as the older movies, or at the very least, put the "new" movie releases into the 'regular' priced section a lot faster. Rogers Video often had New Releases there for 6 months before moving them. Pathetic. One month maximum. - Maybe offer something like Netflix did for their physical rentals - tiered pricing: Rent 'x' movies at a time for a certain price per month. The more they want, the more they pay. - Offer regular movie fair snacks like chips and drinks.

  189. Customer Focused. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A couple of things would have to change. Your pricing would need to change . Why would someone pay X dollars + possible late fees for a few days rental when they can get an entire month for only $8 at Netflix.

    So NO LATE FEES.
    and instead of a pay per disc, offer a monthly subscription these customers would be the VIPS.

    Give the VIPS some extras. For example let them keep a list of movies coming out with you. When the movie comes out they get a copy automatically to rent instead of having to wait.

    Maybe team up with a local pizza company for pizza and DVD delivery.

    Try renting out Large Screen TV's or movie projectors.

  190. Needs Higher Tech like 3D by jayrtfm · · Score: 1

    Back in the early 80's video stores also rented VCRs. Now there's 3D films on blueray, but many people don't have a 3D TV. So rent out a PASSIVE 3D tv (LG makes a good one) with a half dozen glasses. Kids parties would be a natural (or 3D porno for adult parties).
    Also if he is not doing S-8 to DVD transfers and picture scanning he's missing out on a big advantage, as his customers would not have to risk mailing their orginals.
    Another idea would be to get a WIDE assortment of gizmos from DX.com. Most of the items could be kept in a stockroom, if he had a few kiosks for customers to browse. Use the display for new items and kids toys.

  191. Go online! by KingMotley · · Score: 1

    Quite simple really. Set up a local mirror of all the usenet groups.

    Sell them the right to download news articles unmonitored and unlogged to their laptop/phone/tablet at approximately $2-$4 per 4.7GB at gigabit speeds while they browse your DVD selection.

    Just a thought...

  192. Bluray 3D. Yeah people would love to rent them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D 3D

    Ok that's crazy, but you do you know how expensive 3D movies are to buy for the oddball movie you don't want to buy. Almost no major outlets rent blu-ray 3d. Family Video is the only place I've found that rents 3D movies. I'm there every tuesday and more so for other movies not just the 3D.

  193. I've said it before. by MadMaverick9 · · Score: 1

    Where is the store that I can walk into with usd 10 and a usb stick and buy a movie, buy software?

    It does not exist. That's what needs to be addressed, I believe.

  194. IMDB Top 250 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd love a store where I could get any of the current top IMDB 250 movies.
    But what I'd *really* love is to be able to get those movies on iTunes, so I guess that idea has a shelf life.

  195. Make checkout superfast by Marrow · · Score: 3

    Use rfid or other tech so that when someone is leaving with movies, they are automatically logged and displayed. This is what you will be billed for starting now.
    Bill by the day.
    Make it easy to purchase the movies as an alternative to returning them. Take advantage of lazy purchasing.
    Keep a computer terminal up and locked on IMDB so people can look up the movie or find a movie they remember.
    Have three return bins. Liked it, hated it. Defective. Let your customers vote on which movies to keep in stock.
    Make it easy to order movies for purchase an put on their account. Take advantage of impulse purchasing.
    Dont ever ever ever ask them to sign up for an additional type of membership. Always a downer.
    Make it so that they never leave without a movie. Have a "are you feeling lucky" freebie movie.
    stress the importance and worth of the special features (which are unavailabe on streaming)
    Dont waste shelf space with all your titles flat. Keep one face up, the rest on edge.
    Dont be prudes
    Stock movies you would watch. Dont stock movies you could never stand to watch. Be a good place to find good movies.

  196. A possibility... by pikine · · Score: 1

    Contrary to the grandparents, I think this guy should go mainstream. Become a DVD retailer and try to get the box office hit DVDs as soon as they come out before the bigger guys get them. I think it's quite feasible because the big studios and online streaming services are always on a tug of war on the share of royalties. And make sure you advertise the hell out of it so everyone knows they can rent the movie before you can even stream it online or get it mailed to you on Netflix.

    You can also beat Netflix with their cost model. Every time Netflix ships a DVD, it costs them postage. How much longer can Netflix ship cheaply when USPS starts reducing service and increasing prices to cover their financial black hole? Every time your customer picks up the DVD from your store, it's free for you, and marginally free for your customers if they're already on their way doing something. Netflix allows only at most 3 discs at a time. Give your customers 7 discs at a time plan. And promote the hell out of it too.

    There is no way you can cater to a customer who considers downloading pirated movies as an option. You might as well sell them home theater projectors and expensive sound systems. Also going niche would not work at all. Torrents are much better at providing the long-tail niche movies.

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  197. Sell! by bostonsysadmin · · Score: 1

    He should liquidate as soon as possible and use the funds to start a different business that has a market. A pizza place or a McDonalds franchise would be 10x more profitable.

  198. Rent a Bundle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bundle trilogies, Star Wars, LOTR, Back to the Future, etc. Multiple seasons of popular tv shows for a moderate price may be able to keep up with netflix

    Also xxx movies really do well, (I am displaced as a result of hurricane sandy) but there is actually a dvd AND VHS rental store around the corner from my current residence. It seems you will have to invest in private viewing booths, etc. but it seems to be the only way these stores actually stay in business.

  199. Offer something that I can't get anywhere else by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lately my politic is if whatever content are you offerring it's not delivered online then you just lost a client. The only reason I would go to a store and rent something would be if I can't download something, probably something very obscure, 'cause nobody is seeding it or sothing like that.

  200. Getting people in the door by jkister · · Score: 1

    I don't go to rental places. mostly because it's inconvenience with no benefit over downloading. perhaps he can build an awesome "home theater" in his store that is not as good as a real theater but better than what most folks can afford at home. have enough seats for a family and charge $25/film. dunno if that small revenue would fix the issue, but it gets bodies in the door.

  201. Exactly, Rent Pr0n by cmholm · · Score: 1

    I thought it was common knowledge that it's the adult section that's kept mom-n-pop (or brother of a friend) video stores in the black since the mid-aughts. What would make that profit center's browsing experience more pleasant are electronic kiosks with well lit seating. Less risk of in-store fapping when the erotica isn't hidden away in narrow back aisles, and with a decent kiosk UI, you may get quicker turn-around and more browsing converted to sales.

    I used to think offering iPod, et al loading for music and video would be a winner, albeit only for individual stores in the sticks that can stay under the licensing radar.

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  202. Specialist boutiques! by arikol · · Score: 1

    The only kind of DVD rental that can possibly survive is a specialist store that carries something that is not readily available on the internet. Nowadays that would mean older films, artsy films, all sorts of older tv series... basically everything except newish blockbusters and porn..

    Catering to film geeks is harder and requires building up a reputation.
    Adding wifi or coffee or whatever into his business is probably not that great an idea as it is likely to draw focus from the core business. Unless he wants to found a coffeeshop with a few DVDs and wifi in competition with Starbucks, because that's the competition he would then face and have to compare himself against.

  203. Biz Strategy 101 by OpenSourced · · Score: 1

    1) When selecting your area of operation, select low competition sectors.

    2) Select, create, or maneuver into, a position of high bargaining power against clients and suppliers. That is, you can apply price pressure to suppliers and the client has not much leverage with your prices.

      3) And last but not least: Thou shalt not go against macro trends in Economy, Demography or Technology.

    I think your friend's business fails in the the three rules of basic strategy, specially sinning against the Third. There is nothing much to be said, except trying to reinvent the shop, preferably as other kind of shop. If keeping it as a video rental is paramount, I'd specialize, perhaps in terror-gore films, or European films, or black and white. But of course only if the shop is in a big metropolitan area, not in a mall.

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  204. DVD? I don't even own a (dedicated) player... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretty sure that medium has long gone and passed. I got a DVD drive in my MBP and a Bluray drive in my PC. However both of which I have used maybe twice in the last year. The Mac Mini in the living room still has a DVD drive and I used that once because my gf got a DVD from a collegue "that we had to watch".
    Can you name we 1 advantage of a DVD in this day and age? It takes me 10minutes to download and unpack a whole DVD ISO if I would download it from Usenet. However the same content as 720p is usually available encoded to a size of a max of 2.5gb. So that takes just 5minutes. Even the few DVD's I have in my house take longer to find back, pop open the case, pop it in the Mac Mini and wait for the DVD Player to start then it takes to download a NZB and wait for it to be downloaded and unpacked and hit play from my TV.

    I read somewhere here you could dabble in WU/MG and other shady side business practices. Part time ink refill, copy shop, internet cafe... all fun and games. Jack of all trades master of none. I have been to MANY of those 'stores' in my area cause a certain minority group here thinks it's the ultimate cashcow and so far they have been:
    1) unable to send a fax properly
    2) make a copy of a document properly
    3) get a proper internet connection suitable for 10+ machines
    I could go on.

    My point it? Sell off the assets you now have and call it quits. Who the fuck is interested in physical media.

  205. I must be getting really old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...because the snarky responses just don't seem merited to me. the attitudes here are the reason why physical media will be dead within 10 years. i really don't want physical media to die. then i won't have anything i can rip or actually own. when physical media dies, there will be no more ownership.

    to answer the question...
    make the video store as much like redbox as possible. i have even joked that my local blockbuster that closed a year ago should have taken all of their shelves out, lined the walls with redbox kiosks, and charge a dollar at the door. so, here are my recommendations for a video/game rental store:
    1. create a nice web-site window into the store where people can see what movies you have in stock, whether or not it is available, and allow reservation through the web-frontend.
    2. ALL rentals must be $1 or less per disc per day.
    3. create some other attractions to the store. this is very important. it needs to be something that can take up the slack and become your real business as video rental dies.

  206. Too late to sell the business by jjsimp · · Score: 1

    You should have sold the business back when redbox and netflix burst on the scene, It's a little late now to do anything with your business, except maybe have it as a second business. Coffee shop with TV's at the table. Restaurant with TV's at the table. I doubt you would even make enough ends meet to have those rare flicks not on netflix. I would say switch to xbox /ps3 games with rare films, but probably with the new systems coming out they will forgo media and have those download only games.

  207. please read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lots of negative responses. I thought I would email you since I have some information that may actually relevant .. and helpful. I live in eastern, PA in the Allentown, Bethlehem, Easton area. 5 years ago, we had a ton of blockbusters, megavideos, 48hours ..all the chains. Now they are almost all no longer in business.

    There are a few "mom and pop" shops around us that are still open .. and business is booming for them. But they all seem to follow the same formula. Hard to find / Cult Classics / and rare imports. The closest one to me is about a 15 minute drive and we are there about 2 -3 times per month. Ether buying or renting. It was really cool to walk in for the first time and see the Australian release director's cut of Army of Darkness on the shelf to rent. They have a ton of stuff you can't find anywhere else. Here is a promo video that a local news crew did with them

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfJMLfifFHc

    if you want anymore info just let me know.

    Hope this was helpful .. oh yeah and remember .. according to slastdot your buddy might own a "horsewhip" store in the age of automobiles . .but you know what you can still buy horsewhips ... just not on every corner.

    Cheers,

  208. a streaming box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not sell a box that connects to your store? your store would then be a regional point of access. the people that live near you can pay a subscription fee and they can watch movies instantly from your stock. or you could charge them a dollar per movie. The box would be sold at your store or you could re-program other boxes to connect to your store, in the case someone moved. The only problem you would have is to stay linked to dvds or blue rays. the times are changing and while some people want to still purchase movies to watch, I think rentals are going to be electronic. Want to keep the local blockbuster open it's the only way I see this working. might also be able to allow access to movies from the network of stores in case it's an old movie that one store has per state. don't want to sell a box then you can have an application, they could watch on their laptop phone or smart TV.

  209. Streaming for urban and what for rural? by tepples · · Score: 1

    That won't stop streaming.

    I agree that the poor Internet connections in rural areas have not stopped Internet VOD services from becoming popular in urban markets. So what business model do you recommend to reach rural markets? Or are you of the opinion that rural customers are an edge case not worth serving?

    1. Re:Streaming for urban and what for rural? by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      On a purely economical basis, rural areas cost much more than they will ever return when it comes to putting out cable connections (fibre or otherwise). Otherwise they'd be wired by now, like urban areas.

      On a social basis, it's a totally different matter. How much do we consider high-speed Internet a necessity, like telephone? Almost all rural areas have telephone at the same cost of urban, because governments legislate it like that. Urban dwellers subsidise rural dwellers.

      That said there are definitely edge cases. Lodges deep in the mountains, in remote swamps, whatever. Cost of putting cables there is prohibitive. Wireless is the only way to go - be it some souped up WiFi, 3G/4G mobile, satellite, or something else.

      Where to put the line? That's where the social inclusion debate comes.

      And in the case of network cables, it's made more difficult as many companies have started building networks on their own, paid out of their own pockets, and sold to end users at cost plus profit. They did not have the requirement to wire everyone, nor to charge everyone the same. Urban doesn't subsidise rural, it was never intended to, and now rural also wants their lines and are shocked by the actual cost of it.

      For these situations, as always, it should be a government task to build the infrastructure (i.e. the cables), and then allow everyone access at a fee. Just like the government builds roads, and then lets everyone use it - paid for by taxes on vehicles, petrol, tolls, etc. Government lays out the cables to everyone, then charges a fixed fee for access by providers, who in turn can serve anyone at the same cost - urban and rural included. As an additional bonus, you suddenly can get dozens if not hundreds of ISPs all competing with one another on the same cables.

    2. Re:Streaming for urban and what for rural? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Where I live, new roads (limited access highways excepted) are put in by developers and may eventually be turned over to the town for maintenance and snow plowing. Historically, except for the post roads, roads were just paths between towns and farms, that towns and counties improved as traffic increased. The idea that roads generally were built by governments is a fantasy from people who weren't there when it happened and can't imagine anything but government building roads.

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  210. Delivery/Return services by sureshot007 · · Score: 1

    People like Netflix because they are lazy, and the disc arrives/departs without them leaving the house. But they don't like waiting too long, so they stream. So why not give them what they want? Have a delivery guy there that delivers the movies, and include a prepaid envelope to return it. That way, they get the convenience of Netflix without waiting 2 days for the next disc. Plus, you should have a much better selection than Redbox. Also, you should be able to upsell a bit with *reasonably priced* snacks.

  211. Re:blowjobs by TheCarp · · Score: 2

    seriously, this was my first and only thought.

    Offer blowjobs. Why? Because frankly, I have physically touched a DVD maybe 3 times in the past year. I don't buy them anymore, I don't use them. The vast majority of media that I consume comes through my internet feed.

    I just don't see these coming back, I am sure they have some niche for some people but, short of removing the net from people's homes? Blojobs is your most realistic answer; that or location....locate the store some place where this is not true and people still need DVDs for entertainment....beyond what the red vending machines at the supermarkets and discount dvd bins provide.... where people can't afford cable with on demand content.

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  212. Combine with something else by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My thoughts are an amalgamation of others with a little of my own sprinkled in. I live in central Washington State. We have seen a number of video rental stores close down, both locally owned and big box type.

    We are supposedly in a recession, or at least the tail end of a recession, but there never seems to be a lack of people in line at drive through coffee stands to purchase $5, sugar bomb, diabetes/obesity causing coffees. People wait in line, with their engines running, to do this!

    Redbox has also popped up all over town. People are also willing to stand in line at Redbox on Fri and Sat evening.

    There have been many people suggest combining coffee and movie rentals. I suggest combining coffee *drive through* and movie rentals with online ordering and monthly billing.

    Charge $1/day Mon-Thurs and $2/day Fri-Sun for movie rentals.

    Make it so that a person can reserve a movie online by some time the night before, say midnight, and have it ready to pick up when he/she drives through to get coffee in the morning.

    Allow customers to keep a debit/credit/gift/paypal card/account on file and charge them monthly for all coffee/movies.

    Accept returns through the window from people purchasing coffee.

    Make it so that they can order their coffee while waiting in line. Get a Googlevoice number, or similar service, and let customers waiting in line text coffee orders in. This stops the people who just sat in line waiting to order coffee from having to wait for the coffee to be made. A computer with a web browser open to the stores GV text page would make this pretty easy to set up.

    Keep your in store floor space, but add tables where people can drink coffee and browse/reserve/rent titles. Link every title in your catalog to the pertinent IMDB page. If you put the tables against the walls, touchscreens mounted to the walls should work for this.

    Maybe make it so that after a certain time of the day, when coffee sales are slower, people coming through the drive through can purchase microwave popcorn, movie candy, sodas, (take and bake pizza if you are really industrious) as well. If they can reserve movies online it should be trivial to add these other things being available after a certain time, and even orderable online. They pull up and get handed a bag with the evening's entertainment in it and drive away, card to be charged at the end of the month. And this is a pretty easy way to up sell too. Make it a "combo pack" of some type and give a small break off what it would cost to walk in and purchase all those things separately. Maybe include an older title with the rental of a new release and combo pack, or include a children's title, something with less demand/movement.

    Just my thoughts.

  213. Fry's? by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

    Y'know, I'd go to a store that offered all the stuff in the checkout area of my local Fry's (plus their magazine rack) with some regularity. That's a pretty attractive product mix.

    But if they've got the "Let's make everybody feel like a suspected shoplifter" jerks at the exit door, then the whole idea is a non-starter. :-)

    Seriously, though, the GP is in Houston. There are plenty of neighborhoods around here where stores like he describes are found and doing well. It's partly cultural and partly the fact that Houston has (essentially) no zoning.

  214. Put it online... by jep305 · · Score: 1

    ... and call it Netflix. Sure to be a big hit!

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  215. It's not about service it's about selection by NerdMarine · · Score: 1

    Stock cult classics, hard to find titles. Cater to the hipster, and cultivate a "vintage/retro vibe" Works for the Videodrome near Georgia Tech.

  216. Rent Old Movies on Tape that Were Not Big Hits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Movies like "Split Second", "Neon City", "Working Trash", "Hell Comes to Frogtown" and other really old movies that were never really big hits. Those are the kind I like to watch these days. Preferably on a dusty old television with broken knobs and a vhs player on top. Makes me feel young again.

  217. Convert the store into a mini-cinema/video parlor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have events. Screen movies. Have old TV show marathons. Make opportunities for socializing around movies/videos. Server coffee. Make it a membership only video club. Server beer and wine.
    Switch from hiring know it all movie buffs who look down on the customers to know it all movie buffs who actually recognize that they are in the service business. They need to smile. Make people feel welcome.

  218. Automated all the way! by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    I mentioned this when I first got into programming school in 2000, and came up with a new business model that would replace the (back then) current dvd rental stores.

    Simply put, you have a dvd burner on the spot, and catalogs of movies available, and images to burn them unto dvd on the spot.
    This means the person will never have to wait for a release again, and also, can keep the dvd should they want it for an extra charge of ?$
    The rental itself would be 1$ and when they are done, they can bring back the dvd (with watermark stamped into the dvd itself with barcode to identify the returned dvd)
    This new model requires no personel nor heat , only electricity and legal rights to burn the dvds, and this can all be done in a small cubicle the size of a 2 x 2 closet

    The dvds that are returned can be placed into a slot that can be emptied once a week, and those dvds can then be resold at a lower price, or given the chance to buy if the person wantys to hold on to it, through their credit cards, so if they pass the 5 day return limit, they have actually agreed to buy it outright, say for 5$ vs. the 12-25 $ in the stores...

    A sound business model that requires no employee benefits, vacation tracking, heat, oversized room, sick days, etc....
    Netflix is already on this model, sort of, when you would get the cds in the mail....but i think that ended, no?

  219. In a way, a lot of roads are post roads by tepples · · Score: 1

    except for the post roads, roads were just paths between towns and farms, that towns and counties improved as traffic increased. The idea that roads generally were built by governments is a fantasy from people who weren't there when it happened and can't imagine anything but government building roads.

    So the government built all the post roads, and the government rebuilt all the roads from towns to farms to serve postal customers who happen to grow the food that urban dwellers eat. I see no fantasy here.

  220. Two words: "Red Box" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just in case we all get too complacent in our snarkiness

  221. The solution would probably be too costly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To bring back your 'DVD store' - you would want to offer titles that aren't available with a competing business. Netflix is prohibited from offering new releases for the first 30 days - so you would have to get those on the first day or earlier, and then get rid of them after 30 days to be replaced with other new releases. Also, if you were to shift DVD out of your stock and replace those with BluRay - BluRay takes longer to download, so perhaps that could help get more rentals.
    With Hollywood Video out of business, Blockbuster on its way out of business, and Red Box struggling with limited poor selection, what makes you think coming and asking here will provide you with the answer the mega-billion dollar companies have not been able to come up with to save themselves? lol... Just like Hostess, their time has passed.

  222. suggestions for DVD shop owners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not in the logical order...
    1. movie buffs at the store, so I can talk to someone about his/her perspective, especially when I am exploring beyond what's familiar to me
    2. I like to browse in a physical space, physical objects--It would help if there are short comments posted next to the DVD like "staff favorite!" "read this review!" etc.
    3. A Redbox type return outside the store would be great.
    4. the store could work on a "niche"--like becoming known to have the basics, like "movie greats/classics," all awarded films--like if I wanted to watch all the Oscar winners for actors/resses or films, etc., or indie awards, etc.
    5. when there are sections as described above, I would go to the store instead of Netflix or Redbox, because going to the DVD rental shop becomes a kind of self-education process
    6. it would be great to have viewing screens to see trailers of movies.

  223. Re:Chrome for Android does not support this plug-i by belg4mit · · Score: 1

    One browser not having a particular plugin is different from
    "Android tablets are not supported by service X."

    You might want to try Dolphin, or Firefox.

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  224. extinction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your friend must face reality that his world business view is doomed to become extinct. Tell him to go back to school!

  225. Vinyl by VirtualJWN · · Score: 1

    Vinyl records are making a comeback.......so a vintage shop would be a good idea! HAH seriously, that is an idea though. Frankly I'd look into a coffee shop / internet cafe type of thing.....I really saw video stores being passe about 10 years ago. That would be cheapest, plus most video stores have lots of windows, so they are conducive to coffee / juice bars. Actually the "new thing" is 3D printing. I'd tell them to invest in various 3D printers and offer services to print 3D objects. I have been pushing this tech for 10 years (not in that market area, but recognize the potential) I thought the DVD store thing was dead anyway.....Now with Netflix, VuDu, roku, GoogleTV, etc DVD is pretty much a data storage media or backups.

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  226. Re:blowjobs by thoughtlover · · Score: 0

    seriously, this was my first and only thought.

    Offer blowjobs. Why? Because frankly, I have physically touched a girl maybe 3 times in the past year.

    FTFY.. Yeah, the most contact I seem to get with the opposite sex is when I get my hair cut. God, that's sad. Yeah, my first thought was 'blowjobs', too, but thought that was a bit crude, so how does 'lapdances' sound?

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  227. ...but Firefox does by tepples · · Score: 1

    [To run Flash on your Nexus 7,] You might want to try Dolphin, or Firefox.

    From this page: "I got a notification from Dolphin that Flash would be disabled in my browser because it was no longer supported and caused the browser to become unstable. Now all Flash sites won't work for me."

    I tried this tutorial with Firefox. I was able to watch halfway through a Zero Punctuation video until I clicked "full screen" and the video stopped, replaced with a circled exclamation point. Did Flash Player crash? I just want to make absolutely sure it'll work before I commit to a 12-month Prime subscription.

  228. Swede it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Swede some new movies. Don't put them on Youtube, just make the movies and put them directly in the store. It worked for Jack Black!!!

  229. You are how old? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me get your logic straight. You are saying it is management's fault for agreeing to the unreasonable demands of the unionized employees?

    There is nothing voluntary about a union contract. In most states in the USA ALL employees in a union company must be union: even employees who do not WANT to be in a union and would rather keep their union dues. There is nothing capitalistic about unions. Without government legislation protecting unions they weaken quite quickly. Look what happened to the public employees union in Wisconsin after the law changed: one union lost 55% of its membership, another union lost 70% of its membership. http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/05/31/public-employee-union-membership-in-wisconsin-drops-after-collective-bargaining-law/

  230. Symbiotic relationships by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Portland Oregon has a local chain of video stores next to a gym. I think it seems like strange combination but they keep hanging in there.

  231. Re:+1 by dubbreak · · Score: 1

    Yes it's a big city, but does it have the demographic of people that would shop at a business like that? I mean, if a business can survive in Victoria (greater area of 300K people), then it has to be demographics and marketing.

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  232. Movie Fan Club by xkpe · · Score: 1

    Promote a local community.

    Your friend needs to offer something that Netflix and others can't provide.
    Organize local meetings about movies, promote rare movie trading and other fan activities in the store, keep people visiting frequently and they will keep buying stuff.