Unfortunately nothing else comes even close to OwnCloud in terms of feature. Like LDAP/AD integration, proper quota, multi-platform client (although the Linux client is a shameful mess)
Been running Owncloud for a year now and every upgrade again gives me this sick feeling in my stomach. What will they break this time... The idea behind Owncloud is solid, however their development model is a mess. Loads of re-appearing bugs in every new major release, big features which get borked during upgrades etc. It would be nice if they stopped messing about with new stuff so much, focused more on stability and made sure their stuff works without issues on common platforms such as RedHat Enterprise 6 (both server and client, without warnings)
Ever considered things such as automotive, aerospace or nautical research&development?
I work for an institute which does fundamental research on naval vessels and we develop loads of software which can compute flows and pressures on ship hulls and the likes, as well as predict/calculate performance. We have several scientific clusters, are starting to develop CUDA-based software for grid processing and such. So I'd say plenty of opportunities, you just need to look for them.
Canonical making money? Last I read they were still not profitable.
And given the quality of Ubuntu as an enterprise quality OS it's no surprise... only RedHat can offer a complete enterprise solution with long term support (also on much of the software running on it's platform), clear vision on future development and direction and stability (this means testing things before pushing them, not waiting for bug reports before fixing things) Not to mention the tools to properly manage large amounts of systems : RedHat Satellite (and it's upstream project Spacewalk) So far the Debian/Ubuntu distro's have nothing that comes close to it's power and flexibility.
And of course, in need of such a pacemaker you'd have all the time in the world to first review all that data, then request additional information in area's where the design isn't clear enough for you. Then.... PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP (flatliner) oops, too late.No need for further reviews, just a coffin will do.
She's a lawyer, she should know ALL about delaying tactics. Guess what the manufacturer(s) will do.... If I were here I'd get over it and just get one, maybe argue about it later IF things go wrong. And if not send the manufacturer a nice 'thanks for keeping me alive' note instead of bitchin'
What machine can handle 25 disks at once? A tape robot easily holds 500 tapes or more, and manages them all by itself. Or would you rather have expensive people come in during weekends to keep swapping disks? Have you ever worked in a real enterprise environment and tried to set something up like you propose? Thought so...
OK, well with our full dataset being around 50 TB we can't handle that... backup takes around 36-40h for a full, so we do daily increments, weekly full. The full is around 50 TB. So for us tape is still the way to go.
Sure, if you only have like 1-10TB harddisks are fine... But how to do you handle backups of say 50TB of data every week? Awful lot of disks to swap, copy times will be so long you'll need to start the next weekly while the last job is still running etc etc.
Tape still has it's place. It's not the universal solution for all backup problems, but for large datasets it's still king.
You're so wrong... Tape is the ONLY way to make serious backups and do archiving once you start having serious data volumes. 50TB of data is a LOT of disks... now do daily increments, weekly full backups with 2 months retention... also single disks are always slower than streaming to LTO4 or LTO5 tapes so your backup window becomes too big to handle.
Sure... just ask em about timekeeping on VM's... I remember talking to VMWare engineers 2-3 years ago and for pretty every different RedHat patch level I got a different whitepaper on how to keep time in sync as much as possible. But as soon as system load went up, so did my clock drift:( And from what I'm seeing today it's still not fully fixed.
I bet they totally loved you for that when a disk (or worse, RAID set) started crapping itself and just a few lost bits caused a directory (or worse...) to be totally inaccessible... Again, disk compression is usually a poor band-aid for a problem which can be solved in many more elegant ways. And this particulair band-aid just masks the wound and might cause nasty infections further down the road.
Win2k was probably Microsoft's best piece of engineering... too bad it's almost impossible to run it on modern hardware.
As for Linux 3 click LDAP/AD join : All RedHat-deratives have had that for a long time if you were OK with plain LDAP. The system-config-autentication package sorted you out for LDAP and NIS. Both in the GUI or in a curses interface.
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It SHOULD have been... unfortunately they don't care about the quality of an LTS release anymore than they do of a normal release. Another big reason for switching every machine I can over to a proper enterprise class distro, Scientific Linux in my case.
Ubuntu is NOT a proper server OS, no matter how many fanboys may like it... get a proper enterprise distro (RHEL or clone, or SLES) or get Debian to be sure you get timely fixes. Ubuntu is an obvious example of how NOT to treat 'enterprise' users; just look at the tons of bug reports still open for 10.04 (which IS the latest LTS release) ; many of the the reports contain trivial fixes but they hardly ever get pushed. It may be a nice desktop OS but IMHO it has no place on a server.
PostgreSQL might have been better engineered, but running, and maintaining, a MySQL installation is a lot easier; when working at an ISP I maintained dozens of both and always preferred MySQL. Restoring a backup? MySQL is a LOT easier and needs less work. Making a special backup? MySQL is a lot easier. Adding a user and granting rights? I prefer MySQL's way of doing. (I'm assuming all commandline here... maybe if you used a GUI things would work out differently but he's talking server and LAMP, which in my book means no GUI)
Only when you need the extra features of PostgreSQL you should consider it, but for a simple webbased forum package it's very much overkill and only gives more maintenance grief, specially as the original poster doesn't appear to have much experience with either system and the PostgreSQL learning curve is a los sharper.
Every big city has between like 5 and over a 100 websites, of which almost 50% nowadays uses SSL (which by itself is a good thing!) Things like social housing, requesting a new passport/drivers license, every city has their own website(s) and almost all are secured by SSL as all those things involve personal data.
I used to work for a big hosting company who hosted stuff for many bigger cities. I remember Amsterdam having over 4 dozen websites just running at our company, linked to hundreds of URL's, most of them equipped with SSL.
Getting a new certificate meant going through the proper chain of authorities... most of the people involved were government employed and (thus) not always well motived and sometimes just clueless as to the urgency. I've seen things like this take weeks. It's not like they actually let the two technical people on both ends just do their jobs, that's WAY too simple. You'll encounter probably half a dozen of auditing/managing layers at least.
Some cities at least were smart enough to get wildcard certs... which make these things a lot easier.
Is it a waiste? Dunno, don't really care either. The more I learned about our government's IT, the less I trust it. So I do everything the old-fashioned way by paper and snail-mail.
You obviously have no clue of all the steps involved... Most sites are hosted externally, usually with 2-3 parties involved per site. You need to go through all those hosters change / support systems, which might take hours but can also easily take days (if not weeks....) Add in that it's still holiday season, the fact that the severity of the incident means that many politicians and public servants will want to have their piece of the actions and you have a recipe for a longwinded mess.
With cert renewal you can plan for this and if you start on time nobody notices anything. This however is totally unplanned and I would be VERY surprised if they manage to fix all sites within a week.
That might be true in some shoddy companies, but more and more companies have discovered that experience can't really be bought, let alone outsourced. People with an MBA might be able to talk the talk, but can produce nothing but useless masses of paper. In my environment I've not heard of a single good engineer who got laid off because he was too old; on the other hand I did hear about good engineers brought back from retirement because nobody could really replace them.... I very much doubt many MBA's get that option.
I'd get a second major in either : Electrical Engineering ; sounds like a good allround option since hardly anything these days is purely mechanical anymore. I studied Mechatronics and still daily see the benefit from having a solid knowledge base in both diciplines. Chemistry ; might be a good major too, for more insight with regard to material science, lubrication and propulsion (fuel types / batteries)
Maybe this will FINALLY mean no more nspluginwrapper crap; Every time I try to open more than one PDF (Ubuntu 8.04 LTS / 10.04 LTS) nspluginwrapper goes nuts, no more PDF rendering....
Indeed; even the most basic 5.6 security updated were delayed way too long; this to me is a much bigger issue than delaying the X.0 release. I don't mind waiting for a week after release by RedHat, but months is way too long! And the way the CentOS dev's behaved on the mailing list didn't boost confidence much either... Any.0 release needs serious testing and usually a patch round before it's production suitable anyway (at least both 4.0 and 5.0 weren't good enough to use in a production environment...)
I've been deploying only SL machines lately (which suit me just fine; I hardly use anything but the supplied RPM's and a few home-baked so no compatibility issues), but I'm left with one CentOS5 server and am seriously considering a migration... but I'll wait with that depending on how the 5.7 release plays out given the work and risks.
Interesting... are you on 5.1 then? We're 'stuck' on 5.0 but with the latest release (at least no newer version available through yum) The export to another cluster sounds awesome! Just had another look, it's not there in our version.
As for integration with SGE : I can see the queues; I just can't modify most of the queue properties.
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Unfortunately nothing else comes even close to OwnCloud in terms of feature. Like LDAP/AD integration, proper quota, multi-platform client (although the Linux client is a shameful mess)
Been running Owncloud for a year now and every upgrade again gives me this sick feeling in my stomach. What will they break this time... The idea behind Owncloud is solid, however their development model is a mess. Loads of re-appearing bugs in every new major release, big features which get borked during upgrades etc. It would be nice if they stopped messing about with new stuff so much, focused more on stability and made sure their stuff works without issues on common platforms such as RedHat Enterprise 6 (both server and client, without warnings)
Ever considered things such as automotive, aerospace or nautical research&development?
I work for an institute which does fundamental research on naval vessels and we develop loads of software which can compute flows and pressures on ship hulls and the likes, as well as predict/calculate performance. We have several scientific clusters, are starting to develop CUDA-based software for grid processing and such. So I'd say plenty of opportunities, you just need to look for them.
So you're saying politicians are like prostitutes? Well... they sure are dirty :)
Canonical making money? Last I read they were still not profitable.
And given the quality of Ubuntu as an enterprise quality OS it's no surprise... only RedHat can offer a complete enterprise solution with long term support (also on much of the software running on it's platform), clear vision on future development and direction and stability (this means testing things before pushing them, not waiting for bug reports before fixing things) Not to mention the tools to properly manage large amounts of systems : RedHat Satellite (and it's upstream project Spacewalk) So far the Debian/Ubuntu distro's have nothing that comes close to it's power and flexibility.
And of course, in need of such a pacemaker you'd have all the time in the world to first review all that data, then request additional information in area's where the design isn't clear enough for you. Then.... PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP (flatliner) oops, too late.No need for further reviews, just a coffin will do.
She's a lawyer, she should know ALL about delaying tactics. Guess what the manufacturer(s) will do.... If I were here I'd get over it and just get one, maybe argue about it later IF things go wrong. And if not send the manufacturer a nice 'thanks for keeping me alive' note instead of bitchin'
What machine can handle 25 disks at once?
A tape robot easily holds 500 tapes or more, and manages them all by itself. Or would you rather have expensive people come in during weekends to keep swapping disks? Have you ever worked in a real enterprise environment and tried to set something up like you propose? Thought so...
OK, well with our full dataset being around 50 TB we can't handle that... backup takes around 36-40h for a full, so we do daily increments, weekly full. The full is around 50 TB. So for us tape is still the way to go.
So you don't do a full backup weekly?
Sure, if you only have like 1-10TB harddisks are fine...
But how to do you handle backups of say 50TB of data every week? Awful lot of disks to swap, copy times will be so long you'll need to start the next weekly while the last job is still running etc etc.
Tape still has it's place. It's not the universal solution for all backup problems, but for large datasets it's still king.
You're so wrong ...
Tape is the ONLY way to make serious backups and do archiving once you start having serious data volumes. 50TB of data is a LOT of disks... now do daily increments, weekly full backups with 2 months retention... also single disks are always slower than streaming to LTO4 or LTO5 tapes so your backup window becomes too big to handle.
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And if you'd swap "order of the new world" to "new world order" Mr X & Mr Y already have the department soundtrack ready :)
Sure... just ask em about timekeeping on VM's ... :( And from what I'm seeing today it's still not fully fixed.
I remember talking to VMWare engineers 2-3 years ago and for pretty every different RedHat patch level I got a different whitepaper on how to keep time in sync as much as possible. But as soon as system load went up, so did my clock drift
Just Google XenMotion... Yes Xen is rapidly catching up with VMWare.
I bet they totally loved you for that when a disk (or worse, RAID set) started crapping itself and just a few lost bits caused a directory (or worse...) to be totally inaccessible... Again, disk compression is usually a poor band-aid for a problem which can be solved in many more elegant ways. And this particulair band-aid just masks the wound and might cause nasty infections further down the road.
Then the conclusion is even easier :
"Redhat's (mostly business) users don't need or just don't care about disk compression so they don't ask for it"
Disk compression is a terrible band-aid for a cheap and easy-to-fix problem. Maybe it's time people rethink their storage strategies first...
Win2k was probably Microsoft's best piece of engineering... too bad it's almost impossible to run it on modern hardware.
As for Linux 3 click LDAP/AD join : All RedHat-deratives have had that for a long time if you were OK with plain LDAP. The system-config-autentication package sorted you out for LDAP and NIS. Both in the GUI or in a curses interface.
It SHOULD have been... unfortunately they don't care about the quality of an LTS release anymore than they do of a normal release. Another big reason for switching every machine I can over to a proper enterprise class distro, Scientific Linux in my case.
Ubuntu is NOT a proper server OS, no matter how many fanboys may like it... get a proper enterprise distro (RHEL or clone, or SLES) or get Debian to be sure you get timely fixes. Ubuntu is an obvious example of how NOT to treat 'enterprise' users; just look at the tons of bug reports still open for 10.04 (which IS the latest LTS release) ; many of the the reports contain trivial fixes but they hardly ever get pushed. It may be a nice desktop OS but IMHO it has no place on a server.
PostgreSQL might have been better engineered, but running, and maintaining, a MySQL installation is a lot easier; when working at an ISP I maintained dozens of both and always preferred MySQL. Restoring a backup? MySQL is a LOT easier and needs less work. Making a special backup? MySQL is a lot easier. Adding a user and granting rights? I prefer MySQL's way of doing. (I'm assuming all commandline here... maybe if you used a GUI things would work out differently but he's talking server and LAMP, which in my book means no GUI)
Only when you need the extra features of PostgreSQL you should consider it, but for a simple webbased forum package it's very much overkill and only gives more maintenance grief, specially as the original poster doesn't appear to have much experience with either system and the PostgreSQL learning curve is a los sharper.
Obviously you're not Dutch...
Every big city has between like 5 and over a 100 websites, of which almost 50% nowadays uses SSL (which by itself is a good thing!) Things like social housing, requesting a new passport/drivers license, every city has their own website(s) and almost all are secured by SSL as all those things involve personal data.
I used to work for a big hosting company who hosted stuff for many bigger cities. I remember Amsterdam having over 4 dozen websites just running at our company, linked to hundreds of URL's, most of them equipped with SSL.
Getting a new certificate meant going through the proper chain of authorities... most of the people involved were government employed and (thus) not always well motived and sometimes just clueless as to the urgency. I've seen things like this take weeks. It's not like they actually let the two technical people on both ends just do their jobs, that's WAY too simple. You'll encounter probably half a dozen of auditing/managing layers at least.
Some cities at least were smart enough to get wildcard certs... which make these things a lot easier.
Is it a waiste? Dunno, don't really care either. The more I learned about our government's IT, the less I trust it. So I do everything the old-fashioned way by paper and snail-mail.
You obviously have no clue of all the steps involved...
Most sites are hosted externally, usually with 2-3 parties involved per site. You need to go through all those hosters change / support systems, which might take hours but can also easily take days (if not weeks....) Add in that it's still holiday season, the fact that the severity of the incident means that many politicians and public servants will want to have their piece of the actions and you have a recipe for a longwinded mess.
With cert renewal you can plan for this and if you start on time nobody notices anything. This however is totally unplanned and I would be VERY surprised if they manage to fix all sites within a week.
That might be true in some shoddy companies, but more and more companies have discovered that experience can't really be bought, let alone outsourced. People with an MBA might be able to talk the talk, but can produce nothing but useless masses of paper. In my environment I've not heard of a single good engineer who got laid off because he was too old; on the other hand I did hear about good engineers brought back from retirement because nobody could really replace them.... I very much doubt many MBA's get that option.
I'd get a second major in either :
Electrical Engineering ; sounds like a good allround option since hardly anything these days is purely mechanical anymore. I studied Mechatronics and still daily see the benefit from having a solid knowledge base in both diciplines.
Chemistry ; might be a good major too, for more insight with regard to material science, lubrication and propulsion (fuel types / batteries)
Maybe this will FINALLY mean no more nspluginwrapper crap;
Every time I try to open more than one PDF (Ubuntu 8.04 LTS / 10.04 LTS) nspluginwrapper goes nuts, no more PDF rendering....
Indeed; even the most basic 5.6 security updated were delayed way too long; this to me is a much bigger issue than delaying the X.0 release. I don't mind waiting for a week after release by RedHat, but months is way too long! And the way the CentOS dev's behaved on the mailing list didn't boost confidence much either... .0 release needs serious testing and usually a patch round before it's production suitable anyway (at least both 4.0 and 5.0 weren't good enough to use in a production environment...)
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I've been deploying only SL machines lately (which suit me just fine; I hardly use anything but the supplied RPM's and a few home-baked so no compatibility issues), but I'm left with one CentOS5 server and am seriously considering a migration... but I'll wait with that depending on how the 5.7 release plays out given the work and risks.
Interesting... are you on 5.1 then? We're 'stuck' on 5.0 but with the latest release (at least no newer version available through yum) The export to another cluster sounds awesome! Just had another look, it's not there in our version.
As for integration with SGE : I can see the queues; I just can't modify most of the queue properties.