Yes, I've heard of all of them, and expect them to be rolled into Apps at some stage.
However, consider the context of my statement: Why is Pixar considering Google Apps? Isn't Apple's.mac service up to scratch?
Reading the article, its perfectly clear that Pixar is considering Google's email service:
Greg Brandeau is itching to dump the decade-old, homegrown e-mail system he manages at Pixar Animation Studios Inc. (DIS ). And the senior vice-president for technology at the Walt Disney Co. (DIS ) unit is sure about one thing: The replacement won't be Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT ) Exchange and Outlook duo, whose e-mail, calendar, and other programs dominate corporate computing. Brandeau says it's difficult to manage the software because Pixar uses a variety of computers. His likely choice may surprise you: Google.
The way I understand the phrase, any company that want Google apps as a dedicated service will have to pay for it.Thus you and I as individuals aren't required to pay for it.
Hmmmmmmn, good news if true, but how is google supposed to know whether wmf.com is my personal domain or a company domain?
.mac isn't an application suite - it's basically a shared disk (the 'iDisk'), a webmail interface (although 'Mail' is much better), and a place to put your website
Google Apps isn't an application suite either its gmail, gtalk, gcalender, etc for your domain.
At my company, one the largest in the world, executives are like all other employees and their computers are given and supported by the IT dept.
You're basing your view of executives from one anecdotal experience in one company - and accusing me of being "clueless about the real world"?
When you've worked at a few more companies, you'll understand that executives in different companies have different behaviour!
In your company, they sound reasonable - but you point out that you work for "one of the largest" companies in the world.
In other companies (especially medium sized ones), executives have more power, more spending discretion and less restraint. Abuse of these powers is not uncommon.
WTF? Why is Pixar considering Google Apps? Isn't Apple's.mac service up to scratch?
Anyway, I've been using Apps for my personal domain for quite a while. It's pretty great for a freebie - just point your mx records at google, create an admin account and google takes care of everything else. Setup catch all accounts, gmail accounts for different users, calender, gtalk, etc are all there.
But I won't continue to use it if it costs anything. Like I said, its great for a freebie.
What executive, or any human being do you know is using a $5000 laptop? Even the most hardcore geeks I know spend only up to about $2k for the best laptops.
Hardcore geek != executive.
You've obviously never met an executive, they don't have the slightest problem splashing out (from the company account) well upwards of $5000. They think they're worth it.
Yes, hard to believe, until you realize that Steve is using misleading statistics. There may be 90 million iPods sold, but not all of them are currently in use. Furthermore, it's the number of iTunes Store customers and average sales per customer that's relevant, and Apple has never disclosed these figures.
Many iPod owners have never bought anything from the iTunes Store. Some have bought hundreds of songs. Some have bought thousands. At the 2004 Macworld Expo, Steve revealed that one customer had bought $29,500 worth of music.
If you've only bought 10 songs, the lock-in is obviously not very strong. However, if you've bought 100 songs ($99), 10 TV-shows ($19.90) and 5 movies ($49.95), you'll think twice about upgrading to a non-Apple portable player or set-top box. In effect, it's the customers who would be the most valuable to an Apple competitor that get locked in. The kind of customers who would spend $300 on a set-top box.
If you'd read the damn essay, you'd know that.
How about you read the essay critically, rather than mindlessly swallowing anything Steve spews out as gospel?
I believe that if you're English, you should be outragee at the American anti-French sentiment.
I mean, the English have loathed the French for centuries and along come these Americans who think they've invented the concept. (at least they don't look cool in the process!)
I demand other nations, beyond the French, get equal credit for loathing the current American administration.
I suggest electing someone with enough backbone to stand up to the Bush administration.
No one should underestimate the amount of anti-Americanism in this "give-away".
Unbelievable.
This sort of thing is happenning all over the world, including the US and many other English speaking nations.
But suddenly, because its France, its due to anti-Americanism (in spite the fact that many of the distributed apps are written in the US) and anti-English (although all commercial equivilants to the distributed apps have french localisation).
I think someone else how replied to you was bang on the money. Traumatic head injury when young.
Richard Silver is lucky that noone's managed to copyright crap web pages. His page (with animated email gif & quicktime plugin required) does not leave a font, colour, alignment, highlighting, style or indentation untouched.
the race to the bottom was a foregone conclusion. It was going to happen eventually,
If that's the case, then why has their also been a slide in the quality of hardware from companies that don't rely on MS (Sun, Apple)?
I think blaming MS for the slide in PC quality (and prices) is somewhat naive of you. It ignores the fact that hardware quality is sliding everywhere (Unix Servers, non-windows PCs, stereos, TVs, everything)
You seem to imply in this post that Dell/Gateway's rush for the bottom caused the loss of quality in the home computer market (I'd generally agree with this, although I think it's a problem faced by the wider Consumer Electronics market rather than just PCs).
But your original post seemed to imply that it was MS's margins responsible for the lack of quality in the PC world.
On hearing Michael was returning to Dell, a reporter asked Steve Jobs what he would do if given the opportunity to run Dell.
His reply: "What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders,"
Joking aside, how things have turned around hey? Although to be fair to Dell, prior to getting his CEO role back, Jobs also said about Apple "If I were running Apple, I would milk the Macintosh for all it's worth -- and get busy on the next great thing. The PC wars are over. Done. Microsoft won a long time ago.")
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The summary is incorrect (quite understandable, as the article is misleading for the first half).
You're free to install Vista Home on a mac using bootcamp.
You're not free to install Vista home on any virtual machine including vmware under windows, bochs on linux or parallels for Mac.
In other words, the discrimination is against virtual machines, not Macs.
I think that this 'study' needs to be included on this list.
However, consider the context of my statement: Why is Pixar considering Google Apps? Isn't Apple's
Reading the article, its perfectly clear that Pixar is considering Google's email service:
Where it says: The article is speculative, that's why I said "if google apps costs anything...."
So it's the killer widget instead of the killer office suite? Maybe Apple should be scared then. :P
It's an exchange killer, not an office killer.
Apple and Google don't compete. Apple has no need to be afraid of Google.
I thought the apps included the 'docs and spreadsheets' module ?
No.
of course it doesn't run on Safari just yet, and I can't be bothered to install Firefox just to find out...
1) You don't have to install FF to find out, just read the linked article (I know, I know, I'm obviously new).
2) Install Firefox. It works with more websites than Safari. Adblock by itself makes the switch worth it.
The way I understand the phrase, any company that want Google apps as a dedicated service will have to pay for it.Thus you and I as individuals aren't required to pay for it.
Hmmmmmmn, good news if true, but how is google supposed to know whether wmf.com is my personal domain or a company domain?
.mac isn't an application suite - it's basically a shared disk (the 'iDisk'), a webmail interface (although 'Mail' is much better), and a place to put your website
Google Apps isn't an application suite either its gmail, gtalk, gcalender, etc for your domain.
Maybe because Microsoft Office won't be a Universal binary until later this year?
I don't expect people to read the article, but at least read the comment you're replying to.
Google Apps for your domain is not an online office suite, but a gmail, gtalk, gcalender, etc for your domain.
At my company, one the largest in the world, executives are like all other employees and their computers are given and supported by the IT dept.
You're basing your view of executives from one anecdotal experience in one company - and accusing me of being "clueless about the real world"?
When you've worked at a few more companies, you'll understand that executives in different companies have different behaviour!
In your company, they sound reasonable - but you point out that you work for "one of the largest" companies in the world.
In other companies (especially medium sized ones), executives have more power, more spending discretion and less restraint. Abuse of these powers is not uncommon.
WTF? Why is Pixar considering Google Apps? Isn't Apple's .mac service up to scratch?
Anyway, I've been using Apps for my personal domain for quite a while. It's pretty great for a freebie - just point your mx records at google, create an admin account and google takes care of everything else. Setup catch all accounts, gmail accounts for different users, calender, gtalk, etc are all there.
But I won't continue to use it if it costs anything. Like I said, its great for a freebie.
What executive, or any human being do you know is using a $5000 laptop? Even the most hardcore geeks I know spend only up to about $2k for the best laptops.
Hardcore geek != executive.
You've obviously never met an executive, they don't have the slightest problem splashing out (from the company account) well upwards of $5000. They think they're worth it.
'DVD' Jon Johansen's blog debunks Steve Jobs abuse of statistics quite well: If you'd read the damn essay, you'd know that.
How about you read the essay critically, rather than mindlessly swallowing anything Steve spews out as gospel?
Apple's CEO just said that they will make all the music they sell DRM-free if the labels allow them to. Where is the spin here?
But there's already music on ITMS that's sold DRM-free elsewhere.
Why doesn't Jobs sell some DRM-free music right now? (hint: to shackle you to future ipods).
I believe that if you're English, you should be outragee at the American anti-French sentiment.
I mean, the English have loathed the French for centuries and along come these Americans who think they've invented the concept. (at least they don't look cool in the process!)
I demand other nations, beyond the French, get equal credit for loathing the current American administration.
I suggest electing someone with enough backbone to stand up to the Bush administration.
This is +4 "informative". It boggles the mind.
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Perhaps in the near future I'll decide that I've had enough of Slashdot.
Well, its dropped down to +1 "flamebait" at the moment (and destined to end at -1, "troll"), so feel free to keep posting on
No one should underestimate the amount of anti-Americanism in this "give-away".
Unbelievable.
This sort of thing is happenning all over the world, including the US and many other English speaking nations.
But suddenly, because its France, its due to anti-Americanism (in spite the fact that many of the distributed apps are written in the US) and anti-English (although all commercial equivilants to the distributed apps have french localisation).
I think someone else how replied to you was bang on the money. Traumatic head injury when young.
Richard Silver is lucky that noone's managed to copyright crap web pages. His page (with animated email gif & quicktime plugin required) does not leave a font, colour, alignment, highlighting, style or indentation untouched.
My eyeballs feel.... violated.
the race to the bottom was a foregone conclusion. It was going to happen eventually,
If that's the case, then why has their also been a slide in the quality of hardware from companies that don't rely on MS (Sun, Apple)?
I think blaming MS for the slide in PC quality (and prices) is somewhat naive of you. It ignores the fact that hardware quality is sliding everywhere (Unix Servers, non-windows PCs, stereos, TVs, everything)
Perhaps it should read
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2. Making sure the largest enterprise customers not so unhappy that they'll migrate to linux
'cause we all know that large enterprise customers are never what you'd call happy
You seem to imply in this post that Dell/Gateway's rush for the bottom caused the loss of quality in the home computer market (I'd generally agree with this, although I think it's a problem faced by the wider Consumer Electronics market rather than just PCs).
But your original post seemed to imply that it was MS's margins responsible for the lack of quality in the PC world.
Which is it?
The bulk of the profit on any PC these days goes to Redmond, and there just isn't enough margin available for the hardware makers to afford quality.
That is nonsense. There are plenty of quality PC makers out there selling PCs bundled with MS products.
Asus is one good example... They make great laptops.
Just because there's low end PCs doesn't spoil the entire PC range.
Let me preface my reply by saying I've never bought Dell and don't like Dells (but nor particularly dislike them).
But the business model you describe of butchering your suppliers sounds like wal-mart. And they're not going anywhere.
Dell's problem is not their business model, but others copying their business model. (apple?)
@gogglemail.com
Goggle mail? Is that like, beer goggles, or the regular variety?
On hearing Michael was returning to Dell, a reporter asked Steve Jobs what he would do if given the opportunity to run Dell.
His reply: "What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders,"
Joking aside, how things have turned around hey? Although to be fair to Dell, prior to getting his CEO role back, Jobs also said about Apple "If I were running Apple, I would milk the Macintosh for all it's worth -- and get busy on the next great thing. The PC wars are over. Done. Microsoft won a long time ago.")