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French Kids Get OSS on USB Sticks

daria42 writes "To help make kids aware of alternatives to proprietary software the Ile-de-France, the political district of greater Paris, will give 175,000 school children and apprentices USB keys loaded with open-source software. With a word-processing program, audio and video playback capabilities, an email client and an IM client, these are essentially computers on a stick. The council touts this as 'represent[ing] for students a tool of freedom and mobility between their school, cybercafes and their home or friends' PCs'." With the prevalence of internet cafes in Europe, that might work better than in the US ... but do you think such a project would work here as well? If so, what software would you want to see loaded up?

313 comments

  1. Computers on a stick? by ClosedSource · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In what way?

    1. Re:Computers on a stick? by dosius · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Yeah, where's the CPU?

      -uso.

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    2. Re:Computers on a stick? by oSand · · Score: 1

      In every way. Apart from the computation.

    3. Re:Computers on a stick? by amrust · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, but it does mean your K-Fed CD is something else on-a-stick.

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    4. Re:Computers on a stick? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, it is a CD player on a circle.

    5. Re:Computers on a stick? by Joebert · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's there, just that by the time you get through half of the batter you end up throwing the thing away before you get to it.

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    6. Re:Computers on a stick? by Nimey · · Score: 3, Funny

      Inna bun at half price, and that's cutting me own throat.

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    7. Re:Computers on a stick? by mh101 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, the poster obviously doesn't understand what a computer is... calling a USB stick preloaded with software a "computer on a stick" is like calling a filled gas can a "car in a can".

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    8. Re:Computers on a stick? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Nah, that's shit on a shingle :-)

      (sorry, couldn't resist myself on that one)
      -nB

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    9. Re:Computers on a stick? by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Interesting, isn't it? While technically wrong, it shows how commoditized computing hardware has become... apparently it isn't even noticeable to some people. All that matters is the user's data and applications.

    10. Re:Computers on a stick? by mackyrae · · Score: 1

      Well, with portable apps, it's like having the hard drive at least, since they install on the stick.

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    11. Re:Computers on a stick? by PHPfanboy · · Score: 2, Funny

      so you mean it's a stick...

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    12. Re:Computers on a stick? by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      I agree. I drive my car. I like getting my stuff in and out of my car. If my car commits hari kari I want my stuff to go in my new car. :)

      I'd do it as a Haiku
      but...I fear the reaper.

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    13. Re:Computers on a stick? by the_womble · · Score: 1

      Not with the software on the French USB stick - its Windows and MacOS only.

      Of course a Linux PC would almost certainly have those apps already and could access the data.

    14. Re:Computers on a stick? by EvilErik · · Score: 0


      For someone with "Hail Eris" in your sig you should know about not eating hotdog buns!
      POEE

    15. Re:Computers on a stick? by belligerent0001 · · Score: 0

      Originally, a computer was a person who computes or makes computations. A "PC" is a machine that assists a 'computer' with making computations. However, languages evolve, new words are created, old words disappear or thier meanings change all together. While I do agree that a flash memory device with an OSS OS and software is not a computer, *technically* neither is the 'computer' that I am writing and you are reading this post with. So I propose that we rename "PC's" to "Zimborks"

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    16. Re:Computers on a stick? by contrapunctus · · Score: 1

      Do you mean, for example, getting a third party navigation system as opposed to one that came in you car so you don't have you buy another navigation system when you get a new car (OK, it's a bad OS analogy...!).

    17. Re:Computers on a stick? by LawDog · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It's clearly NOT a "computer" but, given that you can have 100Gb in your pocket, in an iPod, how far off are we from leaving the PC model, and just having monitor/RAM stations that we plug our memory/processor units into. This memory stick idea seems just one step off from that.

    18. Re:Computers on a stick? by iago-vL · · Score: 1

      Useless comment, but it has to be said: CMOT Dibbler rocks!!

    19. Re:Computers on a stick? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except on Fridays, don't forget.

    20. Re:Computers on a stick? by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

      It's a jalapeno on a stick. Cept it's not hot.

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    21. Re:Computers on a stick? by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      but if you had all your "car stuff" in a bag in your car so that you could easily move it to a new car, you wouldn't refer to it as "basically a car in a bag"

    22. Re:Computers on a stick? by mcrbids · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Computers on a stick?

      In what way?


      Depends on how they do it.

      What makes my computer "My" computer is not the processor, RAM, DVD/RW drive, or the network adapter. If my Broadcom NIC was replaced with an Intel NIC, it would still be "my" computer.

      What makes my computer "my" computer is the /home partition. There are all my settings, my KDE preferences, my bookmarks, my Email, my shell history, my KDE background photo of my kids, and my ~/bin directory with all my shell-script wizardry.

      It's my personal data ON the computer that makes it uniquely mine, and this particular set of data has been mine continuously since about 1999 or so, despite me having some half dozen computers since then. They are all "mine" when I used them because they all had this dataset on them.

      When I last switched from my Centrino 1.6 laptop to my new Intel Core2 Duo, I brought over that .../home directory, and did an OS upgrade from Fedora Core 3 to Core 6. Despite having all new hardware and a new operating system, it was immediately recognizable as "my" computer because of all this pre-existing data.

      So, if you had all your stuff sitting on a flash drive, that you could plug into anywhere you go, then any computer instantly becomes "your" computer.

      It's not a literal statement of "Oh geez! Computer on a stick!" but more of an interpretive statement, "Your computer on a stick".

      Don't look at this as a tech weenie - look at this as a more average Joe.

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    23. Re:Computers on a stick? by spun · · Score: 1

      CMOT Dibbler rocks!!

      Yes, I would imagine that rocks are about the least offensive thing one might find in Dibbler's "food."

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    24. Re:Computers on a stick? by iago-vL · · Score: 1

      Hey, trolls are people too, you know!

    25. Re:Computers on a stick? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, but would these montior/RAM stations have privacy curtains and tissue dispensers?

    26. Re:Computers on a stick? by craigevil · · Score: 1

      "PortableApps Suite your computer, without the computer" http://portableapps.com/suite Would be a good thing for them to go with, too bad its only for windows.

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  2. Computers on a stick? by realmolo · · Score: 3, Funny

    I guess that means that my K-Fed CD is a a CD player on a CD.

  3. I bet this USB sticks will be used... by Utopia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...to store just music or other files.

    1. Re:I bet this USB sticks will be used... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...to store just music or other files.
      Just the Flashbick.
    2. Re:I bet this USB sticks will be used... by fyoder · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ...to store just music or other files.

      Yup. When I was a lad back in elementary school many years ago, they gave us all copies of the New Testament. A friend of mine carved through the pages of his to create a secret compartment.

      You can lead a kid to the gospel, be it Christianity or OSS, but you can't make him use it. At least not as you might intend.

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      Loose lips lose spit.
    3. Re:I bet this USB sticks will be used... by rucs_hack · · Score: 1

      Given that it has audio playback software, its certain there will be music placed on them. The implication of its inclusion is that they knew wiping for music might happen, so this is a convenience that in more cases assures this will not occur.

    4. Re:I bet this USB sticks will be used... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      We did the same thing. Except we used retired classroom/subject books that they sold to student for about a quarter a piece. The added benifit is that they already looked used and the teachers were used to seeing them in class with your other books and seldom questioned it. Same with our parents.

    5. Re:I bet this USB sticks will be used... by evilviper · · Score: 1

      You can lead a kid to the gospel, be it Christianity or OSS, but you can't make him use it.
      Even if they don't use it as intended, it should still be a good educational tool.
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    6. Re:I bet this USB sticks will be used... by mrmeval · · Score: 1
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    7. Re:I bet this USB sticks will be used... by smoker2 · · Score: 1
      They gave us copies of the Gideons bible.

      Excellent cigarette rolling paper !

  4. OpenCD is similar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. Re:OpenCD is similar by shadwstalkr · · Score: 1

      CDs are so last century. If you want to be "hip" and "shout out" to this new generation, you have to give them their UBS gum sticks. You see, they put the things on their thumbs. It's "cool."

  5. Re:There is more.... by Petrushka · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Yes, and absolutely everyone without exception who is involved in backing this has anti-Americanism as their sole motivation.

    Please, get over yourself.

  6. Bad Second Link by Sean0michael · · Score: 3, Informative
    The second link leads to an article dated 17 August 2005. It isn't about the same distribution, but about a past incident of French kids receiving OSS on CDs.

    Still, it looks pretty exciting. I'd love to have that stuff on the go. If France can break out of the grip of Microsoft, then perhaps the end of the monopoly is near.

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    1. Re:Bad Second Link by somekids · · Score: 1

      France can't break out the grip of anything.

    2. Re:Bad Second Link by d12v10 · · Score: 1

      Oya, you almost forgot to mention that this story is a dupe.

    3. Re:Bad Second Link by dmayle · · Score: 2, Informative

      For those who are interested, this is most likely the FramaKey distribution at http://www.framakey.org/En/Index (English link). There are two versions, a full version that includes OpenOffice, and a lite version with AbiWord. For those who understand French, their sister site FramaSoft is a great resource for finding best-of-breed open source software sorted by domain.

  7. Haxxx by clark0r · · Score: 1, Interesting

    so how long until someone expoits the software on here, loads up their own payload and lets it fly? this many usb sticks with undetected exploit-ware on them would cause a lot of havoc! perhaps i'm wrong, but it would be interesting to see how they've tried to counter this threat.

    1. Re:Haxxx by xXenXx · · Score: 0

      What's to stop someone from exploiting a hole in abiword anyways? It's not like if they do, it will instantly affect every usb key. This is normal OSS software being distributed.

    2. Re:Haxxx by Workaphobia · · Score: 1

      > "this many usb sticks with undetected exploit-ware on them would cause a lot of havoc!"

      It cannot *possibly* be worse than the analogous situation for Microsoft Windows. Botnets will exist whether or not there are widely-exploited holes in Open Office.

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  8. Re:There is more.... by Lehk228 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    were you dropped on your head as a child?

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  9. Sacre Bleu! by dangitman · · Score: 4, Funny
    French kid 1: "You got OSS on my USB stick!"

    French kid 2: "You got USB stick on my OSS!"

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    ... and then they built the supercollider.
    1. Re:Sacre Bleu! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "ok whats going on here" - Officer Frenchy

  10. Re:There is more.... by dangitman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The French are more "sore" about the Internet being in English (and software being American) than most people realize.

    So, how would encouraging kids to use computers be anti-American? Do these USB sticks somehow make the internet "less English" and software "less American"? Also, I do think software is written in other places than America, contrary to your assertion.

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  11. Re:There is more.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why was this modded up?

  12. Re:There is more.... by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No one should underestimate the amount of anti-Americanism in this "give-away".

    Unbelievable.

    This sort of thing is happenning all over the world, including the US and many other English speaking nations.

    But suddenly, because its France, its due to anti-Americanism (in spite the fact that many of the distributed apps are written in the US) and anti-English (although all commercial equivilants to the distributed apps have french localisation).

    I think someone else how replied to you was bang on the money. Traumatic head injury when young.

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  13. Re:There is more.... by bhirsch · · Score: 3, Funny

    s/anti-Americanism/Communism/

  14. So is http://PortableApps.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check it out, some good stuff at
    http://portableapps.com/

  15. France Surrenders to Open Source Software! by haakondahl · · Score: 3, Funny

    France has fallen to the Bitskrieg! Long said to be secure behind the impregnable Maginot-soft Windows line, the French will now have to face the humiliation of watching Richard M. Stallman parade down the Champs d'USB.

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    1. Re:France Surrenders to Open Source Software! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > France Surrenders to Open Source Software!

      Fuck you fuck you

      you deserve to die you worthless piece of offshorable nerd shit

  16. Re:There is more.... by Oswald · · Score: 2, Funny
    This is +4 "informative". It boggles the mind.

    Perhaps in the near future I'll decide that I've had enough of Slashdot.

  17. My USB stick I use at School by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    On my USB stick that I use for school files I have Portable FireFox, GAIM, and VLC media player (our school doesn't allow codecs like DivX), so as long as people know how to use the software, I think it could be well taken.

  18. Re:There is more.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'cause we hate france. notice how it's modded informative rather than "troll" or "funny".

    seriously.

  19. write protect part of stick could be good by Jeff1946 · · Score: 1

    A lot easier than carrying around a computer for kids. Probably would be good to have a switch on the stick to write protect where the programs are stored from inadvertent erasure.

    1. Re:write protect part of stick could be good by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

      Not such a bad idea, at least then they won't reuse all of it for their music/pr0n collections.

      I think the best software to start with is Firefox, Thunderbird, Adium (I know, Mac only, but it's OSS and could be ported and is a sweet IM client), OpenOffice, Gimp, VLC (or mplayer with a GUI). Just to name a few. A good OSS music player (xmms or something) would encourage more use, as kids seem to want their computers to do that these days. Whack on a couple of OSS games (TuxRacer comes to mind) and see how you go.

      I think how long before places start locking down their PCs so you can't run programs from external storage anymore. I don't think it will be too long. I already do this with the small number of PCs I administer because it's easier than having people install all sorts of nasties on them.

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    2. Re:write protect part of stick could be good by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      ...Adium (I know, Mac only, but it's OSS and could be ported and is a sweet IM client)...

      You know, Adium is based on libgaim, the library Gaim uses. See this. Gaim kind of sucks compared to Adium though. Adium's user interface is much nicer, but that's not going to change any time soon, since Adium uses a bunch of Cocoa frameworks.

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    3. Re:write protect part of stick could be good by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

      Yup, I knew that. So libgaim gives gaim all the same power as Adium but gaim does suck compared to Adium; it's the reason I really stick with Mac over Linux or Windows ;)

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  20. Re:There is more.... by metlin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow, do you also watch Fox and worship Bill O'Reilly?

    Seriously - nothing about the language is being mentioned in the article.

    Anti-corporation/anti-globalization? Perhaps. Anti-American? Please.

    The president of the regional council, Jean-Paul Huchon, is a self-confessed "partisan of the rebalancing of the supply of proprietary and open-source software" who previously welcomed the launch of the Firefox 2 browser and led the support for a creation of a competitiveness hub based on open source.

    If anything, I'd imagine that they are attempting to build a competency around OSS.

    Copernics called - turns out the US isn't the center of the Universe (and yes, I live in the US).

  21. I want a free USB stick! by Delixe · · Score: 1

    but do you think such a project would work here as well? If so, what software would you want to see loaded up? A free Windows Vista would be cool! *Ahem*

    1. Re:I want a free USB stick! by danpsmith · · Score: 1

      but do you think such a project would work here as well? If so, what software would you want to see loaded up? A free Windows Vista would be cool! *Ahem*

      Maybe that would be cool if you wanted to slow down your computer and have the whole screen flash back because the system has an important message to tell you: limewire would like access to the internet.

      Vista takes your 2007 computer and turns it into the slowrunning 1998 one it was before you spent 2000 on it. Windows Vista: The Oww is Now. Downgrade today!

      (I'd just like to say I know all of this from personal experience, and my ass still kind of hurts from the attempt.)

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  22. In Russia... by xelph · · Score: 1

    ... they give schoolchildren pirate copies of Vista on a USB stick, with Bill Gates' signature.

    1. Re:In Russia... by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

      They don't have 15 GB usb sticks and even if they did the hardware cost would be real high.

  23. Re:There is more.... by Xenographic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Tant pis.

    I think that one of the most important things about the internet is how it helps overcome isolationism. It's becoming a little harder to hide inside one's own culture. I suppose they feel that these incursions erode their own culture, but I think it's for the best that we're exposed to more different languages and cultures, however incidentally.

    A few decades back, geography created inherent limits on communication. Now the only barrier is language, and given how many people speak some of the biggest languages (Mandarin Chinese, English, French, etc.), even that may not hold out for all that long as people find more need to communicate with each other...

  24. Re:There is more.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can an Ad-hominem attack, with nothing to back it up, be modded informative?

    How many discussions on /. have involved FBI/CIA/NSA suspected back-doors in MS?

  25. We Hate France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The primary reason for the current far-right hatred of France is the war in Iraq. When USia was pitching the war, France was one of many countries that said that it was an absolutely stupid idea, destined for disaster. Now that the French prediction has come true, one would think that France would be due a certain measure of gratitude and an apology, as well as an acknowledgment that their advice should have been followed. Unfortunately, one of the defining characteristics of the extreme right is that they are unable to admit mistakes. This has had the effect of deepening the hatred and resentment towards France that is felt in some of USia's more trailer-oriented areas.

    1. Re:We Hate France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hehe .. the French weren't hot about it because it wasn't in their fucking interest.

      That's all there is to it.

    2. Re:We Hate France by psychrono · · Score: 1

      I agree with the parent post, but I have one question which may help to clarify things: (at least for myself) When you are referring to "USia", are you referring to US I'm American? Or something of the sort? I just can't get the reference being made.

    3. Re:We Hate France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It's just informal slang. "America", in the most literal sense of the word, really refers to an entire hemisphere. "USia" is an explicit reference to the United States of America. (See also "EUia", "CAia", etc.)

    4. Re:We Hate France by ISurfTooMuch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have to agree with this statement, but I think it's important to point out that it's the right-wing nutjobs who hate France, not a majority of Americans. I still laugh at the whole freedom fries/freedom toast thing. Morons. These people seem to forget, or they never knew, that if France hadn't helped us during the Revolutionary War, we'd likely have lost, and, had we lost, you can bet that the British Crown would have punished us severely. We have a lot to thank the French for. They've given the world culture, good food, and philosophy, and they helped liberate us from Britain. Oh yeah, and there's that statue they sent us. I'd say they've earned our respect. As for the flash drive project, I don't know. I have a feeling that many kids will simply erase them and use them for storing files. I applaud the effort, but a live CD or DVD might have been a better idea. What I'd do is set the CD/DVD up so that, if the kid runs it, they'll find a link to send them to a page where they can request the flash drive. That way, the drive will only go to those who are interested in using it for its intended purpose. Sure, they can still wipe it, but at least they'll have the chance to experience OSS before they get the drive.

    5. Re:We Hate France by ChameleonDave · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're almost right.

      But "France" was not more against the war than other countries. In the vast majority of countries of the world, a clear majority was against invasion, particularly invasion without a UN mandate.

      The difference in the case of France was that one man, Jacques Chirac, made the democratic and rational decision to go along with what most of the population (especially the Muslim population) wanted. The common folk of France deserve neither condemnation/vilification nor praise/gratitude for the good action of one man.

    6. Re:We Hate France by kiddygrinder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think you got france and the entire human race confused

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    7. Re:We Hate France by herve_masson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      a live CD or DVD might have been a better idea

      Except that's a readonly media and what they want is student saving their files in the key. Don't forget that this key will be distributed in schools, and students will _need_ this tool when at school, as part of the educational means. Sure, they could remove the software and move their MP3s in this key, but that would be as useful as burning schoolbooks to start a fire.

      I think it covers a real need, and the solution seems good. Also, teaching students that there is a world beside microsoft is not a bad idea either, in addition to be cost effective.

    8. Re:We Hate France by jfbus · · Score: 1

      The problem with a CD/DVD is that you can't put a usable email client on it, and it would be a pain to have a browser or im client on it.

      Where would you put your downloaded emails, your bookmarks, buddies and various parameters ? A CD/DVD would be useless and would join the AOL ones in the trash can...

    9. Re:We Hate France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes and if the US didn't help the French during WWII I am sure that the rest of France would have likely lost to the Nazis and the rest of the populace would have been punished...severely as in DEATH and I still laugh at the stirring generalizations that still come from Europe.

      - Wolf Bearclaw

    10. Re:We Hate France by Marcus+Green · · Score: 1

      Are you saying the Nazis would have killed all French people?

    11. Re:We Hate France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chirac was spot on with Iraq. I remember his speech on TV and he agreed with a lot of what the US was saying but didn't think a war was a good idea. However France using its veto in the UN against the US was really stupid. Tell your allies what you think but don't try to fuck them over. I guess France hasn't forgotten Suez.

      Fortunately for the US France may soon elect a person even more stupid than George Bush, a woman called Segolene Royal who's main foreign policy statements have been to call the Israelies Nazis, say that Hamas are freedom fighters and support independence for Quebec.

    12. Re:We Hate France by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Hehe .. the French weren't hot about it because it wasn't in their fucking interest."

      Maybe the french weren't hot about it because:

      1. ... it was contrary to international law ...

      2. ... it was stupid even then (but stupid is as stupid does) ...

      3. ... not all alternatives had been exhausted (many countries were ready to back the Canadian initiative)

      4. ... it was seen as blatantly war-for-oil and a porkbarrel war (Blackwater, etc)

      5. ... there was (and still is) no exit strategy ...

      6. ... the public pronouncements were already known to be lies (Colin Powell's UN presentation, for example)

      7. ... "a quick war" my arse ... only an ID-10-T would say or believe that ...

      Or you could look at the latest polls http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/client/act_dsp_pdf.cf m?name=mr070122-2topline.pdf&id=3334

      1. 2/3 of those polled said the country was on the wrong track
      2. 65% disapprove of Bush's handling of iraq. Only 17% "strongly approve", compared to 42% who "strongly disapprove"
      3. his party is behind the dems on every topic polled as to "who would do a better job"
      4. 83% perceive George Bush as stubborn, the majority (54%) also said he wasn't honest

      The majority of the US doesn't like Bush. It's not a "French thing." Get over it.

    13. Re:We Hate France by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, its because there's no such country as "America." There's the continents of North America (Canada, US, Mexico), South America, and that part where they join - Central America. Mexicans are just as much "Americans" as are USians, or Brazilians, or Argentinians.

    14. Re:We Hate France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the French hadn't helped out, the Loyalists would have won the American Revolution, and the world would be a much better place. Effective parliamentary democracy, not the incompetent and corrupt divided-power congressional system. Slavery in the US would have ended earlier. Fewer screwy gun-nuts like McVeigh believing that "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." More peaceful relations with the Native peoples. Less of the crazy idea that the US is the promised land, chosen by Providence to be the city on the hill, dispensing justice to the lesser nations.

      More like Canada, for better and for worse.

    15. Re:We Hate France by AceJohnny · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, one of the defining characteristics of the extreme right is that they are unable to admit mistakes.
      Just the extreme right?...

      Heh, remember that Cassandra lady in antique Troy? "Don't bring in that horse, it'll be your doom!"

      They locked her up.

      Don't ever expect gratitude when you prove someone wrong.
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    16. Re:We Hate France by smoker2 · · Score: 1

      These people seem to forget, or they never knew, that if France hadn't helped us during the Revolutionary War, we'd likely have lost, and, had we lost, you can bet that the British Crown would have punished us severely.

      *Sigh*

      The British kicked the French out of North America, which the colonists were *very* grateful for at the time. Then when the British asked for some money to help cover the expenses incurred in kicking the French out, the colonists got shitty and started acting all ungrateful. Nothing much has changed since.

    17. Re:We Hate France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ... hatred and resentment towards France that is felt in some of USia's more trailer-oriented areas.

      There is no need to replace one prejudice with another.

    18. Re:We Hate France by slappy_guru · · Score: 1

      Let us not forget that during the Revolutionary War, France was at WAR with Britain. The revolutionary movement in the colonies was very helpful to France. It reduced support and raw materials to the crown. It was important that the French helped us, but it was in a spirit of enlightened self-interest.

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    19. Re:We Hate France by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "but I think it's important to point out that it's the right-wing nutjobs who hate France, not a majority of Americans."

      Because you have to be a fascist to hate pretension?

      I daresay that France-bashing is about the only thing remaining that can bring together both the Right and Left in this country.

      "These people seem to forget, or they never knew, that if France hadn't helped us during the Revolutionary War, we'd likely have lost, and, had we lost, you can bet that the British Crown would have punished us severely."

      The same can be said of the Netherlands, but nobody ever brings them up. And nobody mentions the Quasi-War shortly after the Revolution, either (nor Citizen Genet). The time has long past that it's been possible for Americans to hate on the French without guilt-tripping over it.

      "They've given the world culture,"

      But not in English.

      "good food,"

      Snails!

      "and philosophy,"

      Note reference to "pretension" above.

      "and they helped liberate us from Britain."

      They did a great job of "liberating" Mexico in the 1860's, too.

    20. Re:We Hate France by imroy · · Score: 1

      "but I think it's important to point out that it's the right-wing nutjobs who hate France, not a majority of Americans."
      Because you have to be a fascist to hate pretension?

      No, but I have it on good authority that it's pretty much just the residents of Paris that deserve the reputation of being pretentious. Apparently even most other French don't like Parisians. Seriously, you're pandering to stereotypes.

      "They've given the world culture,"
      But not in English.

      40% of the words in the English lanuage are of French origin. And an awful lot of phrases as well.

    21. Re:We Hate France by Pollardito · · Score: 2, Interesting

      let's be honest though, a large part of France and Russia's vocal objection to the war was that they were making a ton of money brokering oil-for-food programs that would go away when Saddam went away. they were right for the wrong reasons

    22. Re:We Hate France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i totally agree with the parent post ... many french people do not really like Parisians because most of the time, they're pretentious, believe than everything belong to them, and do not try any time to understand why people don't like them ... Moreover, they're wealthier, so their presence tend to create balance problems, mainly real-estate related

      I personnaly believe that the fact that Frenchs are seen as pretentious is merely due to the fact that most of the time, foreigners visit Paris ( and only Paris ) and, due to their greater wealth, mostly Parisians travel to foreign countries

      Ok, non-parisians are far from perfect either ...

      BTW : i'm French. Just not Parisian...

      To the Parisians readers : NO, people from 'Province' are NOT jealous, they just whant to live tranquiles, without anyone trying to explain them how they should live, without having parisians buying every house leaving nothin' for locals, without having parisians honking because the street light is green for 1/4 sec ...

      As long as having a Parisian near do not imply everything changing to the bad, we've NO problem with Parisians ... from my own experience, it's just not the case ...

    23. Re:We Hate France by Pentavirate · · Score: 1

      many french people do not really like Parisians because most of the time, they're pretentious, believe than everything belong to them, and do not try any time to understand why people don't like them ... Moreover, they're wealthier, so their presence tend to create balance problems, mainly real-estate related
      Hey! Kinda like Californians!
    24. Re:We Hate France by bhirsch · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. France's reputation for being duplicitous (at least somewhat deservedly) predates the year 2002.

    25. Re:We Hate France by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      But France didn't use it's veto.

      And France is quite likely to elect an even bigger idiot than Segolene - Nicholas Sarkozy, who is trying to climb up Bush'n'Blairs arse at just exactly the moment they're on the way out - with luck he'll be elected just in time to get in on the forthcoming Iranian cockup.

      (By the way Ms Royale has never called the Israelis Nazis (she was accused of "not reacting" when a Hezbollah MP said "French resistence against occupation inspired us", although nobody in the room at the time heard him say it), never said Hamas were "freedom fighters" and all French politicians have said that Quebec should have independance if the population wants it).

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  26. Loaded Applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here are a few examples of things that can be loaded.

    Portable Apps
    Apps that have been made to be put on a USB
    http://portableapps.com/

    TheOpenCD
    http://www.theopencd.org/

  27. Re:There is more.... by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1

    This is +4 "informative". It boggles the mind.

    Perhaps in the near future I'll decide that I've had enough of Slashdot.


    Well, its dropped down to +1 "flamebait" at the moment (and destined to end at -1, "troll"), so feel free to keep posting on /. :-)

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  28. Re:There is more.... by Max+Littlemore · · Score: 2

    Hey! Bring back freedom *cough* fries *cough* *cough*!

    Giving away software instead of buying quality American products from Microsoft. F**king commies! Even copied the flag then try and tell me they had red white and blue first!! I'll show 'em. From now on I'm gonna salute the brown, baby poo green and brown! That'll show those hippy pinko snail eating hole sniffers! That'll teach 'em for trying to punish us for killing a few worthless Arabs by giving free software away to kids!

    Scum!

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  29. Software is not know-how... by insignificant_wrangl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...but it is a great program. It is also nice to see open source getting distributed on a mass scale; I would like to see American schools take advantage of open source software rather than license traditional commercial softwares.

    More important than software, however, is training how to use the software. Since I know nothing of the French education system, I have no idea what kind of curricular plans go with this distribution. Throwing computers, software, or even computer software on a stick is not going to solve any problems without some human assistance.

    1. Re:Software is not know-how... by jackspenn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why would we want to distribute OSS on a mass scale?

      Why not distribute great software on a mass scale?

      I mean Adobe Reader is not OSS, but it is better then the OSS PDF viewers out there.

      MP3s are not open source, but how many teenagers prefer to trade OGG files over MP3s?

      I cannot even think of an OSS alternative to Flash.

      VMWare is not OSS, but I like it better then Xen.

      Firefox is probably the best OSS example after Linux, so lets include that on our "Great Software Distribution" USB stick along with the Adobe and VMWare packages already mentioned.

      See my point? Why limit your software options based on whether or not the source (which we will probably never read) is available?

      Going only open source and excluding user driven proprietary software limits choice for no logical reason.

      --
      Respect the Constitution
    2. Re:Software is not know-how... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      MAybe redistibution rights would get in the road. I know, we don't need no stinkin badges.

      But the logistic behind getting permision to distribute it as well as maybe the cost invovled and the possible legal implications could just make it cost prohibited. And this doesn't even touch on the impresions people get when a specific software vendor is used who normaly turns a profit from the product somehow they push it out. Atleastwith strictly opensource,the degree of corperate shilling/endorsing by the government/schools seems more palletable.

    3. Re:Software is not know-how... by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      I mean Adobe Reader is not OSS, but it is better then the OSS PDF viewers out there.
      ROFL. I'll stay with kpdf, kthnxbye. If I had to use a proprietary PDF viewer, I'd use Foxit Reader, which is faster and does pretty much everything I want in a PDF viewer.

      MP3s are not open source, but how many teenagers prefer to trade OGG files over MP3s?
      MP3s have various patents and licensing issues, nothing todo with being 'opensource', there are opensource decoders/encoders out there for MP3. Plus, aren't they doing something illegal in the first place? Trading copyrighted works without permission in MP3 format?

      I cannot even think of an OSS alternative to Flash.
      Gnash, works with Google video and youtube.

      VMWare is not OSS, but I like it better then Xen.
      Which VMware product? There are many and work differently for different solutions. There are also many different opensource virtualization programs available under OSS that also solve specific needs.

      See my point?
      No, you seem to have limited experience with OSS solutions

      Why limit your software options based on whether or not the source (which we will probably never read) is available?
      • You're making a assumption we'll never read it. But in my experience, young people are more likely to read the source if they have it available to them
      • It limits how we can benefit from it.
      • It brings a new awareness of ideas and concepts to people (they already know proprietary software)
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    4. Re:Software is not know-how... by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      I mean Adobe Reader is not OSS, but it is better then the OSS PDF viewers out there.

      I assume you have never worked with Adobe Reader.

      --
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    5. Re:Software is not know-how... by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      I mean Adobe Reader is not OSS, but it is better then the OSS PDF viewers out there.
      How so? I have never missed it. What does it do that kPDF doesn't do?

      MP3s are not open source, but how many teenagers prefer to trade OGG files over MP3s?
      How so? The "source code" for an MP3 file is surely the original, uncompressed sound recording. There are plenty of Open Source MP3 encoding and decoding applications. The MP3 encoding/decoding process itself is a purely mathematical operation, which is beyond the scope of French patent law.

      See my point? Why limit your software options based on whether or not the source (which we will probably never read) is available?
      Because if the Source Code is not available, then the software is no good. Just because you aren't going to read it, doesn't mean nobody else is going to read it and make improvements to it. In fact, if young, inquisitive people who don't want to be bound by convention have access to the Source Code, some of them probably will read it; and some of them probably will change it. Every user of closed, proprietary software is -- until we have a working decompiler, and hopefully that won't be long now -- beholden to the vendor. If you're using Adobe reader, or Flash player, you have to dance to Adobe's tune. They can change the record, or stop the music altogether, anytime they like, and there's fuck-all you can do about it.

      Going only open source and excluding user driven proprietary software limits choice for no logical reason.
      No, it limits "choice" for a very logical reason: it's a false choice in the first place. Look at it this way: you can buy fifty brands of fags, but they all give you cancer. Is that really a real choice? The real choice is whether to have control over your own destiny or be a sad pathetic nicotine addict, a puppet of the tobacco companies. One minute they'll tell you Benson and Hedges are cool, and you'll smoke B&H, next they'll say Silk Cut are cool and B&H are old men's fags. And, because you have no choice, you will obey.

      A choice of masters is still slavery. A choice of hanging or firing squad is still a death sentence. And a choice of different closed software is still abandoning control of your computer to the whims and caprices of another.
      --
      Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
  30. I think this is what their getting by c41rn · · Score: 5, Informative

    I just looked into something like this for myself and found portableapps.com. You can load up your standard OSS on a USB stick and then use them on any windows computer. I went out and bought the fastest USB stick I could find and loaded a few of my favorites on there (Firefox, 7Zip, OpenOffice and a few others). It's been really helpful to have the software I want when I am in a variety of locked-down university computer labs and I can do things with this software that the other students around me can't like open some obscure types of compressed files, save documents as PDFs, and browse the internet ad-free. Highly recommended if you often use public computers or work on other peoples' machines.

    1. Re:I think this is what their getting by sidz1979 · · Score: 1
      I just looked into something like this for myself and found portableapps.com.

      This sounds very similar to http://www.u3.com/ U3 software, which also provides a bunch of applications one can carry on a USB flash-drive. This includes free and not-so-free software (all for windows tho'). Inserting the USB drive into a windows machine brings up a little "Start" menu in the taskbar, with options to interact with the software on the drive (launch program, install new software, etc.).


      They don't appear to have a very extensive collection of software (yet). But most of the essentials are there (OOo, Firefox, etc.)

    2. Re:I think this is what their getting by c41rn · · Score: 1
      Yeah, I had a U3 drive before, but I didn't like it because the interface always loads (autoruns) and it is difficult to uninstall. Also, you have to buy a USB stick with U3 already on it whereas you can install the portableapps package on any old USB stick. Functionally, the Portable Apps Menu is a lot like the U3 menu except that it's up to you if you want it to autorun (or want the menu to run at all). I also prefer it over U3 because it's open source.

      I agree that there is not (yet) a lot of software to choose from, but there was a lot more then I needed. Wikipedia has a rather extensive list of portable applications as well.

    3. Re:I think this is what their getting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it that is your uni 's idea of a locked down lab then run run.

    4. Re:I think this is what their getting by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      An absolute must on every USB key is Truecrypt

  31. Make it easier to use...and the users will come... by cuda13579 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Well...I just spent 2 unsuccessful hours trying to get a new monitor to work under Fedora. It took a matter of minutes with XP. Sure, I've Googled the problem, and I probably am on the road to getting it working...but not yet (I've had enough for one day). It's a monitor! It should be the easiest thing in the world to install!!! Honestly, live CD's are neat, various distributions are fine, but Linux has to get a helluva lot easier to use. Developers need to stop saying "Well golly gee it's easy for me, it should be for you" and start focusing on what is actually easy for someone that is unfamiliar. Endless editing of configuration files is not going to win over users. My current monitor install is only my most recent issue. But "issues" seem to come up all too frequently. Usually I fight it out until things are working...but this is an unpleasant process when I have to sit there knowing I could resolve the same problem under Window in minutes. Sure, it comes down to familiarity with the system, but even after using Linux for several years I still find it to be a royal pain in the ass whenever I have to do something new or change anything...Sure, the answers are out there, but it usually requires consulting multiple books, lots of googling, hoping that someone else has had the same problem as me, and LOTS of time spent. I have no problem learning new things, but I (and many other people) don't have time for this much screwing around. Honestly, I think anyone that considers that to be an acceptable state of "ease of use" for the hypothetical "someone" thats never used linux...is out of their mind. When thing work...they work great, but sometimes it just seems like the amount of effort required to GET things working is unacceptable. I'm frustrated right now, and maybe this was a bit of a rant...but I think more thought needs to be given to what the knowledge/patience/experience level of the majority of computer users actually is, rather than projecting the "knowledge/patience/experience level" of your average linux user onto them.

  32. portableapps.com would be a good start by winkydink · · Score: 1, Informative

    Add a few more things depending on zee size of zee steeck.

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    "I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey

  33. Mandriva Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    http://store.mandriva.com/product_info.php?currenc y=USD&products_id=277
    Mandriva Flash - A 3D Desktop in your pocket.

    From the link:

    Core and Software
    Kernel 2.6.17
    Glibc 2.4
    X.org 7.1
    KDE 3.5.4
    GCC 4.1
    OpenOffice 2.0.3
    Mozilla Firefox 1.5.0.6
    Flash®Player 7.0.68
    RealPlayer® 10.0.8.805
  34. Re:There is more.... by hahafaha · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    First of all, both GP and P (from your post's perspective), are moderated Flamebait, so that particular problem is solved.

    Second, a disagreement with a specific moderation is a very bad reason to condemn an entire site.

  35. Re:The Christianity and Pooping FAQ by pete6677 · · Score: 1

    I still experiment with pull my finger games. Does that make me Satanic?

  36. Not too shabby an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you think such a project would work here as well?
    It could. Depends on how the most libraries are about people running independent stuff on their machines. (This is usually what people use if they don't have their own computer. Some 'free' terminals are actually quite restrictive in how they're used.) Also students are likely to erase the memory stick so they can use it entirely for their own purposes. So if you're using a device to promote something, you might need to figure out how to make the installed software read-only.

    If so, what software would you want to see loaded up?
    For starters probably not much more than what can already be found at PortableApps.com. Stuff like VLC, Firefox, and some other miscellaneous cool and useful stuff. Depending on the device capacity, might even have an entire OSS creative suite (Blender, Gimp, Audacity, etc.) or even an liveUSB 'nux distro of some sort?

  37. Next time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...put it on an air-wick

  38. Who got the USB contract? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's a pretty good return on a payoff.

    Why can't these kids download apps of the internet which is already there? Handing out USB keys is pointless, the software is out of date the moment it gets on these fancy CDs.

  39. give them an emulator by swell · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Give them an Apple ][ or Commode 64 with some documentation, Basic & assembly languages, sample programs, debuggers... Let them experience the essence of computing as no modern computer can allow.

    Programming today is done by teams because it is generally impossible for a single person to cover all the bases of getting a product to market. The novice must surely be flummoxed by the current piecemeal approach to programming, much as the blind men were in trying to devine the totality of an elephant by the feel of some of its parts.

    The Apple & Commodore were well documented and had available much software that would help to understand the hardware, firmware and software essence of computing. There are no powerful games for these machines, or IM capability that would distract modern kids from learning useful stuff. A whole bunch of 8 bit stuff could be crammed onto a single USB stick!

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    1. Re:give them an emulator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Give them an Apple ][ or Commode 64 with some documentation..."

      Intentional, or Freudian slip?

    2. Re:give them an emulator by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      Part of me agrees with that idea, although I'd be tempted to toss an Atari 800 at them, since that's what I grew up with.

      But wait--why would we stop there? Why not give them a Commodore Pet? An Altair? A PDP-8? A bag of transistors? A bag of tubes?

      For ages, people have lamented the loss of a degree of nitty-grittyness that existed in a previous generation of whatever the discussion is about, especially the last generation of hands-on gear and users. In aviation, it was the jet engine that made people idolize the WWII prop planes. In cars, the electronic ignition and injection systems closed the book on backyard engine rebuilding and tuning. (Even among the tuners, how common is it to find a timing light and a bottle of ether nowadays?) With computers, it was 'round about Windows95 that we lost the tinkering ability for the most part. Yeah, we've got Linux and Unix but even at that--look at Mac OSX, and you'll see the future of computing.

      Kids in school now aren't going to grow up knowing about such things because they can't learn it and catch up all the way to the present-day, unless they develop it as a hobby (much like I have a friend who makes small Stirling engines) or spend two lifetimes to get to the point where they can program modern computers. This is a pity, because raw knowledge of things is absolutely fantastic, and usually the source of great innovation. At the same time, the current general state-of-the-art doesn't advance from basic principles--it advances from last week's state of the art, so they have to be brought up on current computer technology if they're going to advance things.

      And yes, we'll lose some stuff along the way. Coding (in)efficiency will become orders of magnitude worse. Honestly, we need a GIGAHERTZ processor and 524288kB of RAM just to drive the OS in a computer running Vista? (not to mention the equivalent of roughly 22 thousand 5.25" Apple/Commodore/Atari floppy disks, or 200 million Hollerith cards!) But we can already do things that people didn't imagine computers for, and we're only starting.

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    3. Re:give them an emulator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A BBC B would be better, since it was designed for that purpose and has a better BASIC than Steve Wozniaks tiny version or Microsoft's pathetic effort.

  40. Not too many! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to one of the articles, they'll be distributing 64.000 CDs. That's an awfully small and precise figure! (Request to Europeans: When writing in English, punctuate in English. Better still, "64 000" is correct in English, French, Turkish, Japanese, Swahili, ...)

    1. Re:Not too many! by SeeSchloss · · Score: 1

      64 000 is the ONLY acceptable form, actually, as either the dot or the comma are accepted as decimal separators (http://www.bipm.org/en/CGPM/db/22/10/). The other ones are ugly anyway, and I just wish the BIPM had the balls to impose the comma as the only acceptable decimal separator... 14 789,56 is so much prettier than "14,789.56", isn't it ? And... looks like ./ doesn't let me use french quotes in my comments (you know, the things that look like >) only "english ones"... another abomination coming from the english-speaking world.

    2. Re:Not too many! by Xrikcus · · Score: 1

      > 14 789,56 is so much prettier than "14,789.56", isn't it ?

      No, certainly not. Which says to me that it's entirely a matter of opinion, and hence you're right about spaces being the only acceptable form to stop confusion. Those horrible French quotes you mention are certainly an abomination too... do you think maybe that one's also based on what you experience when you're young?

      Now, on to date formats...

    3. Re:Not too many! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Now, on to date formats...

      MM/DD/YYYY is an abomination.
      DD.MM.YYYY I consider easy, but that's likely just because I'm used to it.
      YYYY-MM-DD is superior, hands down.

    4. Re:Not too many! by SeeSchloss · · Score: 1

      Of course all I said was biased, obviously. On the French quotes, though, there is a good reason to use them in French (and no good reason not to use them in English) : in English, there is very little chance of having an apostrophe right before the opening of quotes (or after they are closed), because of the way apostrophes are used in this language. In French though, it happens quite often, and you have to agree that nothing is more ugly than something like : l'"éléphant", right ? This '" is an abomination. On the other hand, l' << éléphant >> (you have to imagine how it looks with the true quotes though, not these ugly << >>) is much more clear and easy to read, isn't it ?
      But anyway, the whole philosophies of French and English are different regarding punctuation marks, French prefers more white space while English tries to be as compact as possible it seems... (in French there's also space before and after !, ?, :, ;, and quotes for example).

      As for date formats... I think we will all agree that YYYYMMDD is the best of all, DDMMYYYY being maybe more natural, while MMDDYYYY is simply evil.

  41. Re:Make it easier to use...and the users will come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And praytell, what the hell does this have to do with the story???

  42. Translation by Joebert · · Score: 1

    To help make kids aware of alternatives to proprietary software

    Translation: It seems that a large portion of software begins getting pirated by kids who don't have the money to buy the software or anything better to do, we aim to change this.
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    1. Re:Translation by Technician · · Score: 1

      Translation: It seems that a large portion of software begins getting pirated by kids and it's much cheaper for us to do an education campaign than it is to plug up our court system with all the priacy lawsuits.

      Seen any of the latest BSA advertisements lately. Maybe this is the reason they want to get kids of patented software.
      http://swpat.ffii.org/gasnu/bsa/index.en.html

      It may be easier to keep them off pirated software this way to keep them out of jail.
      This software from overseas has a legal liability. It's time to move on and mitigate the liability. It is one of the reasons I am using Ubuntu on my home built PC.

      --
      The truth shall set you free!
  43. What to put on the stick by YGingras · · Score: 1

    They should put the Gimp and Blender. The only way to get the interface of those programs is to start using them really early. There is no hope left for us but please think of the children and don't spoil their only chance!

  44. Mp3 playback? by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 1

    I think this USB stick will only have any effect on these kids if it will do what they want it to. They probably couldn't care less about using a word processing program, but watching movies and listening to music is something they might like to do. This stick comes preloaded with music and movie software--but, since it won't play mp3s (unless the school put out some dough--every OSS system I've used required some shady means of enabling mp3 playback), it won't do what the kids want it to, so they probably won't use it.

    Don't get me wrong--the kids should have all their music in ogg, but they don't, and they aren't about to go convert it all for some schtick their school gave them.

    It'll go in a drawer someplace.

    1. Re:Mp3 playback? by cockroach2 · · Score: 1

      every OSS system I've used required some shady means of enabling mp3 playback
      Which century are you living in? If you were talking about mp3 *encoding* then yes, that's an issue. But playback? Come on...
    2. Re:Mp3 playback? by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 1

      Sure, I'm absolutely serious. Given, I've only used OpenSUSE and Ubuntu, but it certainly wasn't accidental that neither comes with the native ability to play mp3s. Automatix is the easiest way to install mp3 playback capability, and it has a very clear warning screen warning users that the some of what it provides violates laws in some countries (of all that Automatix provides, the codecs seem like the only thing to me that may violate law). Countries that have strong copyrights law (like those of the EU and the USA) are places where Automatix would be illegal.

    3. Re:Mp3 playback? by cockroach2 · · Score: 1

      Now that's hardly believable. Being a debian user, I never had any such issues, and debian is not commonly known to distribute software with possible legal issues. As ubuntu is based on debian, I can't imagine they would actually remove mp3 playback ability from (for instance) xmms and its derivates.

    4. Re:Mp3 playback? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      If you want to play mp3s out of the box, then why don't you pay the licensing fees? What do you think commercial SuSE or Mandriva has?

      Or if you're not willing to pay you could... you know.. follow the offical Ubuntu instructions on getting restricted formats to work?

      Or even use those automated 'easyubuntu' things that are supposed todo all that automatically for you.

      I'm not even bothered the slightest by the lack of mp3 support working immediately after a install on Linux (OH THE HORROR!!! I HAVE TO TYPE APT-GET INSTALL SOMETHING QWFKGOES

      Fix your laws

      influence changes in Linux communities

      Go about creating your own distribution of Linux that violates laws.

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    5. Re:Mp3 playback? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      (For some reason it screwed up -- reposting)

      If you want to play mp3s out of the box, then why don't you pay the licensing fees? What do you think commercial SuSE or Mandriva has?

      Or if you're not willing to pay you could... you know.. follow the offical Ubuntu instructions on getting restricted formats to work?

      Or even use those automated 'easyubuntu' things that are supposed todo all that automatically for you.

      I'm not even bothered the slightest by the lack of mp3 support working immediately after a install on Linux (OH THE HORROR!!! I HAVE TO TYPE APT-GET INSTALL SOMETHING QWFKGOESAV!). After all, I always need to install some program after the install (Be it Wine or some such -- But always through the package manager).

      Don't like it? Well here a few ways YOU can fix this:
      • Fix your laws
      • influence changes in Linux communities
      • Go about creating your own distribution of Linux that violates laws.
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    6. Re:Mp3 playback? by Technician · · Score: 3, Informative

      (unless the school put out some dough--every OSS system I've used required some shady means of enabling mp3 playback)

      Since money is not charged per copy of Linux, they do not include software that requires a payment to be made per copy. MP3 decoders and codecs require a payment. Detailes are here;
      http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/

      Once you download a codec or decoder, getting it licensed is a problem.. They won't take your money. From the Q & A;

      1) Do you license mp3, mp3PRO and mp3surround software to end users?

      No. We license mp3/mp3PRO software and patents to developers and manufacturers of software applications and hardware devices.

      They don't want to deal with retail, they want to deal with wholesale. The minimum annual payment is $15,000.

      See the minimum royalties on the bottom of this page; http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html

      every OSS system I've used required some shady means of enabling mp3 playback

      It's because they provide no way to properly license it. We've tried.

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    7. Re:Mp3 playback? by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 1

      This isn't my point--I did exactly what you're saying (actually, I used Automatix). My point is that these memory sticks given out by Italian schools are going to be thrown in a drawer someplace because they don't come with the ability to play mp3s (which is necessarily the case because the mp3 codec is proprietary, and these memory sticks come full of OSS). All the kids have to do to enable playback is add repositories, and apt-get.... Or they can just stick with the proprietary stuff that they already have that already plays mp3s.

      The few linux geeks in the school, one of which would be me, would be saying, "but all you have to do is add a couple repositories, and apt-get install these programs and then it'll play!" And they'll say I don't have to do anything at all to get Windows to play.

      That's the voice of the masses--they aren't interested in OSS, they're interested in whatever already works with the least amount of effort. It's a lazy word we leave in.

    8. Re:Mp3 playback? by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 1
      OH--I forgot to note this on the offical Ubuntu instructions:

      Legal Notice Patent and copyright laws operate differently depending on which country you are in. Please obtain legal advice if you are unsure whether a particular patent or restriction applies to a media format you wish to use in your country.
      I'm sure that the official Ubuntu instructions violate the European Union Copyright Directive, to which Italy is a party. This is why I know the Italian school district didn't include the mp3 codecs on the memory stick (besides the fact that this is an OSS stick and the codecs are proprietary).
    9. Re:Mp3 playback? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      That's the voice of the masses--they aren't interested in OSS, they're interested in whatever already works with the least amount of effort. It's a lazy word we leave in.
      And yet from what I've seen, most of the masses don't even use windows media player.

      They're still using alternative software in most cases than what comes with the system, so I just don't get what you're trying to get at.
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    10. Re:Mp3 playback? by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 1

      Right, the masses use iTunes, Winamp or the like--free but proprietary software (not OSS). Software that just works. Not software that requires extra steps to get to do what they want (note that WMP isn't very good).

      My point is that these memory sticks are being given out with the intention of exposing kids to OSS; but I'm saying these kids are going to say, "does it do what I want? No; not unless I get on the command line and .... Then I'll stick to iTunes, because all I have to do is press one button and it just works." (note also that the memory stick doesn't come with apt, synaptic, etc anyway, so installing mp3 playback capability would be far more difficult than just "sudo apt-get...")

      I'm not saying it's difficult to impliment mp3 playback capability, I'm just saying that it's more difficult than just using what is already available. And that is the reason that I don't think these memory sticks being given out will really have any effect.

      Also, I have not found an open source music player that works as well as iTunes, but I think Songbird will be good once the bugs are worked out.

    11. Re:Mp3 playback? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In french law, there is no patents on algorithms, so this licensing policy is irrelevant. If you want to make and distribute a mp3 decoder or encoder, then just do so. It is legal and free of charges.

    12. Re:Mp3 playback? by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      My point is that these memory sticks are being given out with the intention of exposing kids to OSS; but I'm saying these kids are going to say, "does it do what I want? No; not unless I get on the command line and .... Then I'll stick to iTunes, because all I have to do is press one button and it just works."
      For some reason you get the idea that installing packages isn't even possible graphically. If I wanted todo it graphically I could. Heck on Kubuntu I'd goto [K] -> Add/remove programs -> Type in mp3 in the search bar and tick "Gstreamer extra plugins" (Description tells you it adds mp3 support). Do I find this easier than going to Apple's site, trying to download iTunes from it and after installing it? Yes.

      Also, I have not found an open source music player that works as well as iTunes, but I think Songbird will be good once the bugs are worked out.
      Amarok works better for me than iTunes, and it even offers to install mp3 support for me automatically (when it lacks it) when I use it the first time, and it works. Not to mention it supports far more media devices, has more features than iTunes, faster than iTunes (Yes, I've ran Amarok under Windows), supports more formats than iTunes...

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    13. Re:Mp3 playback? by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 1

      You still don't get it--my comment is not about whether or not it is difficult to make something have mp3 playback capability; my comment is about the fact that this USB stick doesn't come with it. Further, on this stick, it is not particularly easy to add mp3 playback capability, because it does not come with any means by which to do so--it does not have Amarok on it (and, I have Amarok, and it was the first program I installed under OpenSUSE, and it did not come with mp3 capability. Tangent: Although it was easy enough to get the capability, I found that I don't particularly like Amarok), and it does not have synaptic (graphic), or anything else that would install programs. These kids would have to go get those programs. I'm not saying that is particularly hard to do (this is getting repetitive), I'm just saying that, even though it isn't hard, it's still easier for them to use that which they already have, which already works. Because of this, the USB sticks will not serve their intended purpose.

      Now, if you choose to respond to this, keep your response focused on (a) the fact that these USB sticks do not have a program on them by which the USB sticks can have more programs installed; (b) these USB sticks are not carrying an operating system, just a few programs designed to run under Windows off the USB stick; (c) the fact that doing nothing or close to it is easier that having to do something; and (d) the fact that this whole discussion is intended to be based around the usability of these OSS USB sticks by high school students, not how hard or easy it is for me to install Amarok on my Ubuntu box (I already know how to do that).

      The things you are saying are the types of things that run a company into the ground: "it's easy enough to do this..." whithout facing the reality that people won't do it when they already have something that serves their purposes.

  45. Re:Make it easier to use...and the users will come by cuda13579 · · Score: 1

    Put it on a few billion USB sticks and hand it out to everyone in the world...It doesn't do any good if its still a pain to use.

  46. My list. by Archeopteryx · · Score: 2, Informative

    I would not force Linux on them, but there is a lot of Windows OSS;

    AbiWord first of all.

    Gnumeric spreadsheet

    VideoLAN Client (VLC)

    GAIM multi-protocol IM software

    GZIP file compression tool

    wxBASIC BASIC Interpeter or similar

    Games! This whole list; http://osswin.sourceforge.net/games.html

    I think this would about do it and still fit on a modest USB stick.

    What do you think?

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    1. Re:My list. by toddbu · · Score: 1
      What do you think?

      I think that I'm glad I have a lot of mod points, because what I'm about to say is surely going to get marked as flamebait...

      At the end of the day, the fact that so many people have come up with so many lists about what should be on the USB stick is the reason that OSS struggles in the marketplace. I know that many would disagree with me, but there are just too many choices in competing software packages to make many of them very good. With few exceptions (the LAMP stack being one), the fact that it's so hard for a regular user to choose which technology will win makes investing in any technology hard. Do you use Gnome on your desktop or KDE? Which media player do you use? Got a preference for a browser? Or email client? Or IM client? Can we even agree on an X server?

      The problem with OSS is that there are just too many choices. Instead of rallying around a single technology (like has happened with Apache), projects continue to fork and new projects started where existing code bases already exist. You can do all you want to introduce students to OSS, but how long before those technologies are replaced by something else?

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    2. Re:My list. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that you deserve praise if you've gotten Windows to boot and run from a USB stick.

    3. Re:My list. by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      The problem with OSS is that there are just too many choices.
      I think that's particularly your problem. I don't have a issue with choices. I find myself recommending things (which I don't use as much personally) for other people that suite them for the task more than for my own uses.

      Instead of rallying around a single technology (like has happened with Apache)
      For most of the things I do, I use Apache 1.33, because I find it more suitable than using Apache2. I can't really say I agree with your understanding that Apache has even a single technology. Heck here are my technical reasons for using 1.33 over 2 or 2.2:

      • I don't need threads
      • For dedicated webservers (do we have any other kind these days?), I find it's better to have processes over threads
      • Most OSes are a lot better at at scheduling processes than they are at threads
      • Better way of handling crashes -- if one child crashes (I have it set up to serve one connection per child), one user gets disconnected.
      • Debugging issues with threads require very well versed programmers, and for the well versed programmers it's not simple

      You can do all you want to introduce students to OSS, but how long before those technologies are replaced by something else?
      I was introduced to OSS when I was a student (and I more or less still am) -- Replace how? HTTP, TCP/IP, FTP etc. hasn't exactly evolved that dramatically as you make it sound.
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    4. Re:My list. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GAIM multi-protocol IM software
      In my experience, GAIM tends to be clunky and buggy on Windows, I'd suggest Miranda as an alternative which is better on that platform(but sadly also limited to it).
    5. Re:My list. by shish · · Score: 1

      The problem with OSS is that there are just too many choices.

      You're entirely right. Thank god that with closed source, there's only one media player to choose from. And only one web browser. I'm so happy that there's only one closed source mail client too!

      I would make my point further, but my comment would be rejected as spam...

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    6. Re:My list. by Archeopteryx · · Score: 1

      I'm assuming that whatever computer they are using already came with some form of Windows.

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  47. Re:There is more.... by Dr.+Cody · · Score: 1

    I live in an international dormitory which is almost a full third from Lyon. I can tell you that, if there is an American in the room, they cannot blow their nose without making it a statement of anti-Americanism.

  48. I'd prefer meat-on-a-stick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but that's just me.

  49. Re:There is more.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they cannot blow their nose without making it a statement of anti-Americanism.

    Probably you're incapable of blowing your nose without making it a pro-american statement.

  50. Not only do they get software on a stick... by sokoban · · Score: 1

    They get wine in their lunchboxes and can take it to school.

    And they get to eat french food every day.

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    1. Re:Not only do they get software on a stick... by vorlich · · Score: 1

      they can get a beer at McDonalds and almost all of the girls at their schools are French.

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    2. Re:Not only do they get software on a stick... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you first said wine, I thought that was on the stick too. But really, what's the use of wine on a stick? Just gonna lick it off or something?

  51. Re:Make it easier to use...and the users will come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well...I just spent 2 unsuccessful hours trying to get a new monitor to work under Fedora. It took a matter of minutes with XP.
    Funny, I bought a new monitor and spent 2 unsuccessful hours trying to get it to work properly (at the right resolution) under Windows XP, with the manufacturer's drivers. Linux? I just hit the LCD/CRT toggle button (laptop) and restarted Xorg, and it now runs beautifully at it's native 1440x900. Windows XP won't do anything above 1024x768. I haven't much looked into the problem with Windows, but the comparison seems rather funny.

    Although, once the monitor was setup, I did have to mess around a bit with xorg.conf to extend my desktop across both monitors, which I've done before so I knew the process. I remember the first time doing that was difficult, though the documentation has gotten _much_ better. With Windows all I had to do was check a box in the desktop properties box.

    Comparing a single problem across OS's is a difficult subject, and tends to be extremely subjective. Windows you have pretty buttons that do most things, but when you do run into problems they tend to be big. With Linux, I have many config files, and the problems I run into tend to be easily fixed (keep in mind, I also don't rely on GUI configuration tools on Linux, so I can't compare how those work). What I do know is I'd much rather edit a configuration file than touch the Windows Registry. I've also experienced much fewer migranes with Linux than with Windows. I also know people who have had the opposite experience. So as always, YMMV.
  52. All existing apps by superangrybrit · · Score: 0

    That those kids probably all use except OpenOffice. What's the point of this again other than making noise?

  53. Re:There is more.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shit, that wasn't flamebait at all. The French have LEGISLATED this sentiment. And the French government FUNDS dot com projects in an effort to stop the spread of English among their digirati. And we won't even go into the whole fiasco over control of root domain servers. Before modding somebody flamebait you should at least know your history. Mod parent up. He's spot on.

  54. But how fast can it boot? by Zetta+Matrix · · Score: 1

    Maybe this will lead to an emphasis on reducing the time-until-usable-GUI for free Unix-like operating systems... (something worth improving upon, imo)

  55. Flamebait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who modded this post flamebait? This could only be flamebait of one entity.......the entire slashdot "community." C'mon.

    1. Re:Flamebait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forget to say "those french people" first. Someone read Stupid idiot and thought you were talking to them.

  56. Re:The Christianity and Pooping FAQ by shinobiX · · Score: 0

    Is this faq going to be included on the USB stick? Because otherwise they wouldn't be able to spam slashdot with it!

  57. Exciting? No, this program teaches kids nothing. by jackspenn · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I think the overly excited response to a USB drive with some free crap on it, shows how baddly some /.ers misunderstand what "freedom" of choice means.

    Freedom to choose means you can pick the best software for your task at hand. This program does not teach the students to think about freedom of software choice, rather it pushes a conclusion on students.

    If the French schools were interested in honestly teaching students, they would have a Pro-Software-Choice program built around teaching kids how to make smart choices.

    If you only use OSS then you are no freer then the person who only uses Microsoft. (Part of the reason that as a Red Hat guy from 5.2 to Fedora Core 6, I am currently considering switching to another Linux distribution that is built with both OSS and proprietary software packages like mp3 support, JAVA, Adobe, etc. with the base install. So tired of having to go install that after the core Fedora installation is finished.)

    To be free you need to use what works best for you.

    To be free you need to evaluate pros and cons of your choice, not make a choice because somebody put it on a USB drive for you.

    If the French implemented a program to teach students how to make intelligent software decisions for their needs that would be innovative.

    Instead the French are giving away software (they didn't even write). It is not innovative, it is tired and sad.

    Open Source provides alternatives to everyone, but OSS is tailored to the way the software programmers want things to be. Proprietary software is written to meet the end user demands in the open market. Choice lets users decided when to use the best software for you.

    Frances sucks, God Bless Texas!

    DISCLOSURE: This was written using an open source web browser on a proprietary source OS.

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  58. Boot from USB? by DavidD_CA · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the point here be to boot fromthe USB to run the OS that is pre-loaded on the stick?

    If it's just OSS apps, and you're still requiring Windows OS, then it's not that revolutionary. Why would the user bother with te USB stick if the computer is already booted into Windows and has popular apps loaded?

    Not to mention I would suspect that most Net Cafes would prevent booting from a USB device because they want you to run the special "cafe" software they usually have that prompts for your credit card, tracks your time, etc.

    Now, if an entire university had a bunch of computer labs with absolutely no pre-installed OS, and gave all their students these USB sticks (with an OS to boot from), then that might be something.

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    1. Re:Boot from USB? by bendodge · · Score: 1

      That would be an utter disaster. A kid loses his stick; now what? Before, he just asked the IT dept for a server backup of his docs. And in the meantime, he can't do ANYTHING.

      Some kid deletes everything so it can carry a movie or a ton of songs; "Professor! This computer's broken! It won't start!"

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    2. Re:Boot from USB? by DavidD_CA · · Score: 1

      All good points, but nothing that the OSS community can't solve, right?

      For starters, the OS shouldn't let you delete files that are critical to the OS itself. I believe most OSes have that functionality built in -- or should.

      And I imagine that the IT department could have some kind of centralized file server that syncronizes their server with the student's stick whenever it's plugged in.

      I'm not saying it's a perfect idea, but I think it's a big step forward than what this article talks about.

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    3. Re:Boot from USB? by tmossman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to mention I would suspect that most Net Cafes would prevent booting from a USB device because they want you to run the special "cafe" software they usually have that prompts for your credit card, tracks your time, etc.

      My own $0.02:

      I spent several months over the summer travelling around Europe. To manage my finances, as well as email friends and family, I occasionally had to find net cafe's along my way. Not wanting to lug a laptop around, I carried an Ubuntu liveCD with me. Most net cafe proprietors were reasonable when I asked if it would be alright to use it, although a couple outright refused. Most of the time the only concern (to them) is that they need to know how long you were on for, something which is usually handled by a small Windows app (the client is simply a timer, telling the "admin" how long you've been on. Payment is in cash when you're done). My concern was not transmitting my financial data from a computer running a questionable copy of XP Home used by who knows how many people each day for who knows what purposes.

      Again, most people were reasonable with me, if a bit confused, and simply wrote down the time I arrived on a sheet of paper. Other places were more hostile, and these places were, invariably, the places where one would most want *not* to use their computers. As for disabling the use of things like USB, etc., you'd be shocked at the lax security measures in virtually every net cafe I went to. Well, maybe you wouldn't be. The other customers didn't seem to be either, but I certainly was. Most net cafes amount to a small room full of computers (again, running bone-stock XP Home) connected to a cable modem or DSL, overseen by a disinterested middle-aged man. Sure, booting from USB could have probably been disabled in the BIOS but, heck, I'd have been overjoyed if they'd just had some sort of anti-virus software. Or at the *very* least, not running as Administrator. On the upside, I was thus able to wage a one-man Firefox-installing campaign over somewhere around a dozen cities :)

      So, yeah, it would be great for these flashdrives to boot a custom Linux distro. Convincing these kids it's worth their time to use it, that's a horse of a different color.

    4. Re:Boot from USB? by bendodge · · Score: 1
      I'm still a bit skeptical:

      For starters, the OS shouldn't let you delete files that are critical to the OS itself. I believe most OSes have that functionality built in -- or should. But a student dumping his music would be doing it from his WinXP PC, which couldn't care less about another OS's files on a stick.

      And I imagine that the IT department could have some kind of centralized file server that syncronizes their server with the student's stick whenever it's plugged in. That is a good idea, especially for updates and such, but it is useless if the computer can't boot.
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    5. Re:Boot from USB? by DavidD_CA · · Score: 1

      Don't get me wrong, I'm skeptical too. I think the mechanics of having an entire OS and a user's documents on a removable media poses a lot of problems... but I'm trying to think of ways that this could work. I'd like to see people have more choice in OS, especially when they visit computers that aren't theirs (ie: Net Cafes).

      The next version of Windows, according to Microsoft, will have the ability to store your profile and documents onto removable media so that if you are sitting at a workstation with this new OS, you can have everything with you. Of course, that could give rise to all new issues.

      It's still very interesting and exciting, though. Especially considering that 5 years ago no one could carry around a 4 GB "disk" in their pocket.

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  59. Re:There is more.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    U *bllaptpatat* S *pleeeeeeebttttt* A *zzbtrrrrrrrrt*!

  60. Computer on a stick? Uh, yeah. by mh101 · · Score: 2, Funny

    The poster obviously doesn't understand what a computer is and the relationship between a computer and its software... Calling a USB stick preloaded with software a "computer on a stick" is like calling a filled gas can a "car in a can".

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  61. Re:There is more.... by rhinokitty · · Score: 1

    Brown...and brown?

  62. Outrageous! by nick_davison · · Score: 5, Funny

    This sort of thing is happenning all over the world, including the US and many other English speaking nations.

    But suddenly, because its France, its due to anti-Americanism (in spite the fact that many of the distributed apps are written in the US) and anti-English (although all commercial equivilants to the distributed apps have french localisation).


    Exactly!

    Damn French! Most English people have been anti-American for ages but all of a sudden, along come the French, gain all the credit and manage to make it look cool in the process!

    I demand other nations, beyond the French, get equal credit for loathing the current American administration.

    1. Re:Outrageous! by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      I believe that if you're English, you should be outragee at the American anti-French sentiment.

      I mean, the English have loathed the French for centuries and along come these Americans who think they've invented the concept. (at least they don't look cool in the process!)

      I demand other nations, beyond the French, get equal credit for loathing the current American administration.

      I suggest electing someone with enough backbone to stand up to the Bush administration.

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  63. Re:There is more.... by dbIII · · Score: 1

    So, how would encouraging kids to use computers be anti-American?

    By giving them freedom chips.

  64. Re:There is more.... by edwardpickman · · Score: 1

    English pigdogs, we already got a computer. It's very nice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfNfDiqAF9Q

  65. Re:There is more.... by BluedemonX · · Score: 1

    C'est une question de solidarite, tu sais.

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  66. Re: Smell my USB stick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (and guess where it's been)

  67. Why not Boot From USB? by wellingj · · Score: 1

    http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/usb.html
    Honestly why even mess around with Windows?

    Granted from the standpoint of security, USB booting and having access
    to that person's hard drive is a little iffy. I would say some one
    should come up with a way to mitigate this kind of security breach
    while still allowing USB booting. I'm guessing, but that would probably
    bring some kindof DRM problem.

    Any one know more about this?

    1. Re: Why not Boot From USB? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the computer is on a network with important data stored (or backed up) remotely, and a clean disk image to restore the os and apps, then the hd could be resored if needed. Using a secure os with encripted file system could protect from coruption and malware. Or, a tweak of the bios could block hd access when booting from a removable disk or device (with password protected bios settings).

      Skip the drm altogether, who needs it?

    2. Re: Why not Boot From USB? by wellingj · · Score: 1

      not to be a prick, but isn't blockig HD access from bios kinda like the trusted computing DRM?

  68. Re:There is more.... by popo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm the original poster.

    And the great irony here is that I'm the one with evidence and all of you who accuse me of
    being a Bill O'Reilly fan are without it. (By the way, I'm ultra liberal, and lived in Paris
    for many years.)

    Yes, there are knee jerk reactionary "France Sucks" types, and I'm not one of them. But to
    deny that there is a powerful (Powerful) anti--American sentiment which is alive and well among French
    beaurocrats would be painfully naive at best.

    The anti-American sentiment has its roots deep in both cultural xenophobia (no headscarves?), a loss of historic
    linguistic prestige (ie: lingua franca, lingua diplomata, etc.) and historical contest with their historic
    adversary, England. There are many scholarly books on French anti-amerianism, and its (sometimes hilarious)
    manifestation in politics, law and popular culture.

    The situation has grown so out of hand in recent years, that the French intelligentsia
    write books in an effort to understand their own cultural fascination with America bashing.
    (I recommend Jean-Francois Revel's "L'Obsession Anti-Americaine", 2002).

    But I see sadly that writing such comments on Slashdot are akin to pointing out that the "iPhone has no keyboard
    and will probably make a bad smartphone because texting and email are somewhat crucial". (For which I was similarly
    modded down as Flamebait)

    There are broadcast limits on networks for all languages besides French. English has its own specially defined limits.

    Advertisers who use English words (but not the words of other languages) are fined.

    France took center stage during the ICANN fiasco in the effort to wrest "control" away from the US. And who
    was the proposed entity for transferring the power to (from NSI)? Why, "France Telecom" of course.

    French anti-Americanism is very real. The French have a deep resentment for the pervasiveness of the English language
    and for the "American-ness" of the Internet. To deny this is to ignore far too much recent history.

    Now kids, mod me down as flamebait and go to bed believing that the whole world is in this together, and that America is the
    only country that behaves like a dick. Russia plays fair. China plays fair. France plays fair. We're jerks. I know.

    --
    ------ The best brain training is now totally free : )
  69. Re:Exciting? No, this program teaches kids nothing by Noodlenose · · Score: 1
    "Frances sucks, God Bless Texas!"


    a) why did you have to expose poor Frances' sexual habits?
    b) who is this "God", and
    c) what is this "Texas" Is it some sort of third world fiefdom?

    N

  70. Anti-globalization? by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 1

    I grant you anti-corporation, but I don't see how free software can be viewed as anti-globalization... Free software is to some degree a product of globalization, and certainly benefits from it. Most of it is developed by people who are only vaguely aware of where on the globe the other contributers live.

    1. Re:Anti-globalization? by metlin · · Score: 1

      Mey point was merely to highlight the corpoprate/capitalistic slant of globalization (as opposed to the socialist connotation that OSS has). You are referring to technological globalization while I was referring to economic/industrial globalization.

    2. Re:Anti-globalization? by Coeurderoy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well the french use two different terms
      anti-mondialiste and alter-mondialiste

      And if about 10 years ago many where "anti" now most (who do care about this sort of thing, and not only about "what's on tv tonight") use alter.

      Free software is not "anti" globalization but for an alternative globalisation.

      The current trend is toward: cash and capital can travel around the world at the speed of light, but the unwashed masses are requested to stay put in their current cesspol.
      And if the capital they need to clean up a little bit their environment can be used more efficiently somewhere else, tought luck, better times are comming (somewhere, sometime, don't hold your breath, or do we don't care).

      The alter-globalization stand on Free Software is that it gives more people control on their own environment, and it makes it somewhat harder to fully control the transmission chain from content provider toward end-user.
      For instance compare what kind of "permission" you need to develop a game on Linux as compared to a game on an Xbox.

      Unfortunatelly the real understanding of the issues at hand is only very partial, and for instance in the current USB tick example, the real "need" is just for a mobile student "work space", this enables the school administrator to freeze the school PC's configuration and removes the need for a shared managed "student storage place".
      Adding some free software on a memory stick is really a way to NOT put Linux on the PC.
      The discussion goes like this:
      - you should not be a slave to a monopoly, nor should you provide a system to students that they cannot really study but only use as a black box.
      - ho, hem, ha, heuu, well, its very complicated and difficult, but we are allready doing something, we are ta da.... using Firefox !!!
      - Of course you are, but you use it on Windows, and it really doesn' mean mutch by itself
      - Well we are also moving toward Open Office (well a little, sometimes, but not for the Accountant he has 20 lines of Excel macro that he doesn't remember how they happen to work, so porting them, you must be kidding..)
      - This is still ChickenS.... and you know it.
      - Well we will make a big program with Free Software for All
      - Ok seems cool
      - Hello dear provider, we need 50 000 USB sticks
      - Ta daaa...!
      - So what ?
      - We copied the nice demo CD you gave us last year on the stick
      - With the 2 years old versions ?
      - Yess isn't it cooool.
      - MS sales rep to BG (hello, finally no need for EDGI funds)

  71. Egalite is the enemy of Liberte by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

    While I love Free Software, and would encourage people to burn CDs of Free Software and hand them out to schools, neighbors, churches, etc., I am leery of a government getting behind this effort. The modus operandi of government is coercion, enforcement, mandates and dictates. But you can't coerce, enforce or mandate freedom. The minute you try it goes away.

    Of course, "Free Software" is NOT liberty. It's a nice analogy, but it rapidly breaks down under scrutiny. Still, it's bizarre to see a government trying to encourage Free Software. Government is as much out of place encouraging Free Software as it is encouraging any philosophy or idea. The City of Paris would do a better job of promoting Free Software simply by getting out of its way. Let the free market of ideas work.

    --
    Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
    1. Re:Egalite is the enemy of Liberte by makapuf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You have no idea how French and American visions of state differ. French people have since royal times kept the vision of a powerful and impersonated state, which is trusted and where people expect the state to be a moral person, reponsible and present along everyday life (think welfare state for example). Even since the French revolution has the State kept its (although recent is more geared towards a reduction of role state), even if the economy has always been quite liberal.

      Government is as much out of place encouraging Free Software as it is encouraging any philosophy or idea : of course governments should promote ideas (even anarchic ones), that's why it has been chosen over some other one. Even having and enforcing free markets IS an agenda, because sometimes it naturally leads to monopolies which needs state intervention to keep market free.

      Besides, what do you mean free software is not Libre ? Aren't you free to use/modify it? Aren't you free NOT to release the software you write under a Free license ?

      There, now I feel better.

    2. Re:Egalite is the enemy of Liberte by oliderid · · Score: 1


      I really don't understand your ideology.

      Pragmatism:
      There is a de facto monopoly, French have nearly no interests in that monopoly. They want to break it. very few people know the existence of alternative to Microsoft Office and all. Instead of pirating these applications, they should use free and legal one. Otherwise it could give them a very bad habits of breaking laws.

      Free software exists for...20 years or even more? You claim that the City of Paris should get out of its way. But it looks to me that it had all the time it needed to penetrate the home PC market alone. it failed miserably so far. Because of marketing, because of technical choice, because of manpower, whatever. "It failed".

      After 20 years you can safely assume that free software needs support to succeed, wherever it may come from. Governement included. A lot of young and promised kids would never discover their computing skills because of the outrageous price of the most famous commercial OS or the most famous office suite. you should welcome it.

    3. Re: Egalite is the enemy of Liberte by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to have a typcally amererican, twisted view of the role of government. Although coersion is often a means used by governments that needs to be watched and limited, the main role of government is pooled resources used for common goals.

      This project does not force anything; it makes an alternative readily available. Governments inevitably promote some paradigmes over others. The question is whether it should promote a corporate backed, comercial, closed source model, or a cooperatve, free, open source model.

      It is not only in the french economic interest to not bleed money to the us for software, it is in their national security interest to not depend on closed source software that likely leaks info to the us nsa/cia. Not to mention that the school children will have better and more flexible tools to learn on and work with.

    4. Re:Egalite is the enemy of Liberte by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. This is... it doesn't even rise to the dignity of being wrong - it is nonsensical.

      "Government is ... out of place encouraging any philosophy or idea" -- ? Have you ever read, e.g., the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence? They are chock-full of ideas. Government is *based on* ideas. All governments are; different sets of ideas in different governments, of course. Even if you are an anarchist (ie no government at all) your claim paraphrased at the beginning of this paragraph is simply absurd.

      p.s. to the poster who said this is a "typically american" viewpoint -- for goodness sake, in the name of Ben Franklin, it is NOT. It's maybe a typically peurile understanding of libertarianism and the cheesy-philosophy of Ayn Rand. Which is itself bunch of ideas about what government is and should be. But it is *not* typically American, except in the sense that we provide a hospitable home to boatloads of crazy theorists, bless us.

    5. Re:Egalite is the enemy of Liberte by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even having and enforcing free markets IS an agenda, because sometimes it naturally leads to monopolies which needs state intervention to keep market free.
      The "even" part of this sentence bothers me. Having and enforcing free markets - even seeing "free markets" as a positive thing, and even using the positive adjective "free" to refer to unregulated markets - are ideological choices. Capitalism is the dominating ideology in the western world, but things don't cease to be ideologically based just because they're related to the most popular ideology.

      (Note that I don't mean to use "ideology" incorrectly as a synonym for "irrationally" here, I am quite ready to believe that people can hold their ideological beliefs for well-thought-out macro-economic reasons(or for reasons unrelated to economy, though on matters of market regulation economical reasoning should probably be expected).)
    6. Re:Egalite is the enemy of Liberte by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a very typical American Dork viewpoint, though.

    7. Re:Egalite is the enemy of Liberte by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      Besides, what do you mean free software is not Libre ?

      I am free, the software is not. Freedom is for human beings. All you do when you apply it to software is to confuse the language.

      --
      Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
  72. Jesus Christ, People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't you see that this is just a political 'let's see if we can score some points in the next election' gimmick and not about MSFT vs Open Source?

  73. About that Statue... by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

    ...it was actually a leftover...she was built for Egypt, but Egypt went bankrupt before the statue was completed. She was originally to have a veil.

    Also, I think the French helped the USA in the revolutionary war more because they hated the British than had any love for us.

    I don't hate the French or anything...but lets not wax too sweetly on them just because some rightwing nutball decides to demonize them. Rightwing nutballs are best ignored. It's the only effective stategy for dealing with them.

    1. Re:About that Statue... by jfbus · · Score: 1

      Well, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty, it was not built for Egypt... The sculptor (Bartholdi) designed a similar (not not identical) statue for Egypt, but never built it.

      It was built as a gift to the US afterwards.

    2. Re:About that Statue... by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      Also, I think the French helped the USA in the revolutionary war more because they hated the British than had any love for us.
      Everything a country does internationally is for self-serving interests. The US didn't go to Vietnam because they gave two jots about the people, they were there because of the communist threat. Likewise with Iraq--spreading freedom and democracy my ass.

      However, I rather agree with you--the US doesn't "owe" France anything, any more than Europe "owes" the US for helping out in WWII (though my understanding is that some European countries did pay back the US in the years afterward; is this true, and did something similar happen with the US Independence War and France?)
    3. Re:About that Statue... by CmdrGravy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I noticed on the news a couple of weeks ago that Britain has just made it's last payment on a loan from the US to pay for reconstruction after WWII, the final payment was around £85 Million and I think the last of 50 payments ( each one paid annually from 1950 ).

      I think Britain needed this loan because during the beginning of the war it was paying cash on delivery for huge amounts of material from the US which used up its reserves until Britain was having in territory handed over to the US. When the US entered the war then I think lend lease began where Britain got as much stuff as we wanted but anything left over after the war needed to be paid for at 10% of it's initial cost.

      So Britains debts to the US for WWII are paid off now but Britan still apparently owes the £885 from the then of World War I which we stopped paying off in around 1930 when the debt was worth £4.4 Billion. In todays money that is around £225 Billion. Lots of countries owed the US after WWI but I think most of them also stopped paying around 1930, the loans haven't been cancelled and are in theory still outstanding.

      Even that debt however is dwarfed by the amount owed to Britain for it's help in WWI by other countries which at the end of the war amounted to £2.2 Billion which according to my calculation might be worth today £5.5x10^19. Unfortunately no records exist in the archives saying who the countries are which owe us this.

    4. Re:About that Statue... by Pentavirate · · Score: 1

      Everything a country does internationally is for self-serving interests. The US didn't go to Vietnam because they gave two jots about the people, they were there because of the communist threat. Likewise with Iraq--spreading freedom and democracy my ass.

      I happen to believe those two things don't have to be mutually exclusive. Having a free and democratic Iraq is definitely in the US's and the world's best interest.
  74. Re:Exciting? No, this program teaches kids nothing by penix1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Open Source provides alternatives to everyone, but OSS is tailored to the way the software programmers want things to be. Proprietary software is written to meet the end user demands in the open market. Choice lets users decided when to use the best software for you.
    The problem with your little theory here is that the proprietary world is gaming your little system. Things like patents, copyright term extensions, monopolistic abuse of OEMs, hardware vendor lock-in, and file format lock-in all play their part in destroying your "free market" idea. How free are you when you are forced to accept a proprietary file format that requires a proprietary program to open? How free are you when programmers can't get the specs for hardware to make them work no matter the OS? How free are you when you get slapped with a law suit for simply sharing? There comes a time when one has to say enough is enough and stand up for their values. So you can either fight for your freedom or lie down and have it eroded. I prefer to fight!

    B.
    --
    This is a sig. This is only a sig. Had this been an actual sig you would have been informed where to tune for more sigs.
  75. Specific software by cbhacking · · Score: 2, Informative
    The article isn't too specific, but it tells a bit more than the summary does. One specific note: this is all Windows software. My guess is they are using the stuff from PortableApps.com. Going by the applications listed in the article, that would probably be
    • Office Suite - OO.o Portable, most likely. There is also AbiWord Portable, but the article mentions an office suite, not just word proccessing.
    • Internet browser and email are presumably the portable version of Firefox and Thunderbird.
    • Instant messaging has two options, Gaim Portable and Miranda IM Portable. Never heard of the second before.
    • Audio/video player - VLC Media Player Portable.

    Any idea how much space this software all takes, or how large the drives will be? The operation is said to cost about $3.4M, or under $20/student. Some of that will be administrative costs, too. Nonetheless, I'm impressed it can be done for so little.
    --
    There's no place I could be, since I've found Serenity...
    1. Re:Specific software by RossGoodman · · Score: 1

      I have the portable apps application and loads of other stuff on my 1GB drive and have loads of space free.
      I tend to carry 2 keys, 1 for apps and 1 for data, so I don't have to close all my apps down when transferring files between PCs.

    2. Re: Specific software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My crude estimate is that all of these would take about 250 mb to install. I guess that they are giving out 256 mb or 512 mb thumb drives, which should be pretty cheap wholesale, now that 4 gb drives are becoming common.

      They may get some financial support from sun (oo.o), netscape (mozilla), open software foundation or other inerested parties.

    3. Re:Specific software by emilyridesabmx · · Score: 1

      My job has me all over the place, and one thing I've learned over the years is that when you get where you're going, who knows what you're going to find on the ground. Because of this I've set myself up with a USB drive that has the basics, just in case my laptop dies, or there is some reason I need to work on a box when I get where I'm going. On my 2GB stick I have Firefox (with all my favorite extensions) and AbiWord. The whole setup takes around 200 MB if I remember correctly. It works like a charm, especially FF. One other nice thing about a setup like this, is you can pop in your drive, surf the web, check your mail and not have to worry about your privacy, because 'What's on the Stick, Stays on the Stick'. The portable FF is a fantastic little pieece of software. I have both a Mac and a PC version on there, and both have saved my ass a few times in emergencies. Now if I could just get AutoCad on there...

      --
      Et In Arcadia Ego
    4. Re:Specific software by mysticgoat · · Score: 1

      Any idea how much space this software all takes, or how large the drives will be?

      [The following links will probably not withstand a slashdotting— perhaps someone will mirror the good parts. You've got my permission to do so.]

      North Portland Software Distributors put a similar product on the market about a month before Christmas: Office On the Go. I am one of the partners in this small business.

      Here is a link to the OOG's manifest, or list of software. The FAQ section will answer a number of questions.

      As parent post surmised, the applications are mostly in PortableApps wrappers. We are using 512 MB USB flash drives and aiming at pricing the OOGs about the same as a major brand blank 512 MB stick from a brick and mortar store like Office Max or Staples. We can get good quality drives for much less by buying in quantity. Most of the cost is in the hardware. It takes about 20 minutes to burn the image to a flash drive; with my current setup I can burn 3 drives simultaneously (the main limitation is the way the USB hub heats up). As we ship it, an OOG has 140 MB free space.

      Our intended markets are

      1. Semi-geeks interested in exploring some of the big name FOSS apps, but who don't want to fuss with installation and removal hassles;
      2. Geeks looking for a convenient way to carry a custom configured FOSS app from home to office or school
      3. as gifts from geeks and semi-geeks to people they think should try FOSS
  76. well, since you asked.... by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Informative

    What software would I like to see loaded up? Well, here's what's on MY USB stick:

    Accesories

    Calcute, Converber, Convert, Guillotine, Launchy, Boot Floppy Creator, WinRAR, Rejar, XN Resource Editor, Resource viewer, decompiler & recompiler., Universal Extractor, Allway Sync, pathsync, Batcher, Bulk Rename Utility, DataTool, XpAssociate,

    Internet

    mIRC, Miranda IM, qm - Quick Mailer, Thunderbird Portable, Opera , read_IE_proxy, VNC server for Win32, VNCViewer, ChrisControl, GreatNews: the intelligent rss reader, FollowMeIP (Show External IP),

    File Transfer

    Quick 'n Easy FTP Server 3.0, Portable WackGet, FTP Wanderer, HTTP File Server, utorrent,

    Scanners

    Network Stumbler, Angry IP scanner, MozillaCookiesView, IPNetInfo, HTTP Get Headers, SuperScan 4 Beta 1, SmartSniff, CurrPorts, NetStat Live, trout (Trace Route), WhoisThisDomain,

    Uniform Server

    Start Main Server, Stop Main Server, Start SlimFTPd, Stop SlimFTPd,

    Media



    CD / DVD

    DvdReMake Pro, DVD Shrink 3.2, IFO-file editor, MuxMan, Windows XP Virtual CD, PowerISO, CDex CD-Ripper, BonkEnc Audio Encoder, Nero InfoTool, DVDINFOPro, Alcohol 120%, Standalone CD/DVD Burner, DeepBurner, EasyDVDBurner,

    Graphics / Imaging

    IrfanView, XnView, PaintStar, Portable GIMP, Resize, animagic32, Analyzer, LiquidIcon Editor, FSCapture, SnIco Editor, ColorCop, SmartMorph,

    Audio

    XMPlay, coolplayer, 1by1, Foobar2000, Easy MP3 Alarm Clock, mpTrim, WakeMeUP,

    Video

    Ant Movie Catalog, VLC Media Player, VLC Media Player - no skins, Media Player Classic, VirtualDub,

    Office

    Notepad++ : a free (GNU) source code editor, TED Notepad for Windows, UltraEdit-32 Professional Text/Hex Editor, ICEReaderRetail, Foxit Reader Pro, PdftkBuilder, TreePad Lite, Spell Magic, Total Organizer,

    OpenOffice

    OpenOffice.org, Writer, Calc, Base, Impress , Math , Draw ,

    System

    pstools, MyUninstaller, Autostart program viewer, Dependency Walker, DiskRecon, DiskImage, PassWordRenew, RegEdit PE, RegScanner, Registry Monitor, TreeSize Professional, ImageExplorer, Tola's patching engine v1.8, AbsoluteShield File Shredder, Removes hard to remove files, WhyReboot,

    HD Tools

    HDHacker, HDD Temperature Monitor, HDSpeed, HD Tune, Partition Table Doctor 3.0, Partition Table Editor for Windows, PartitionInfo Windows NT Version, Symantec GhostCast Server for Windows, Symantec Ghost Explorer, Symantec Ghost,

    Info / Benchmark

    Game XP, ClockGen, CPU-Z Application, aida32, everest, USB Browser, Parmavex WinAudit, RightMark Memory Analyzer, ServiWin Service and Driver manager,

    Copy / Undelete

    ActiveUndelete, Restoration, Unstopable Copier, BadCopy - Disk & CD Data Recovery Utility, raid,

    Maintanance / Repair

    Windows XP SP2 TCP/IP patch, ClamWin Portable, CCleaner Portable, xp-AntiSpy, Norton WinDoctor, Norton Disk Doctor, Ad-Aware SE, JkDefrag, Disk Analysis and Cleanup Utility, WinsockFix,

    Security

    TrueCrypt, Keylogger Detector, KeePass Password Safe v1.05, Omziff, Internet Explorer Passwords Viewer, WirelessKeyView, pcANYWHERE password, PasswordsPro, SAMInside, SAMInside, pwdump2,

    Windows Shortcuts

    edit_lmhosts, System, Add or Remove Programs, Computer Management, Services, Performance, Display, Network Connections, Printers and Faxes, Sounds and Audio Devices,

    Games

    lwwin, zetrix, rh, Bridging_the_Gap_v1, Process Explorer, My Computer, DSynchronize, DM2, Firefox, x2 - explorer replacement,


    And all of it menued under PStart.

    1. Re:well, since you asked.... by AbRASiON · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Rather than me figure out how to set all that up, why don't you just torrent that as 'ultimate usb tools' or chuck it in a rar and throw it on one of those web based filesharing places.

      I'm pretty sure that'll get you the final point for the +5 informative boost and I'll get at least a +1 for suggesting it, - it's like money in the bank!

    2. Re:well, since you asked.... by Staz · · Score: 2

      Half of your list isn't OSS

    3. Re:well, since you asked.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks man!!!

      Not as in /. smart-ass-y way, but really thanks!

      There are various of those tools I use, but this list is well worth looking into.
      Very handy, and thank you for taking the time to write it up. :)

    4. Re:well, since you asked.... by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Well, I already got my final +1, without doing any work :) Seriously, I'd be happy to put it up on a torrent site, but the problem is that: a) I'd first need to make damn sure I clean all my personal settings from all the programs (such as the firefox password manager). and b) I'd have to remove some of the programs which are actually commercial programs that I've paid for and then made portable. I can probably set up a slimed down version if you want though. Let me know.

    5. Re:well, since you asked.... by klebermagno · · Score: 1

      All this are portable version ? where I get all?

    6. Re:well, since you asked.... by Snwbeast · · Score: 1

      I'd be very interested in a bundle even if you removed the commercial apps.

      -- C

    7. Re:well, since you asked.... by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Alright, I finally located a public tracker, so here it is. I pulled out all the commercial apps (or at least I think I did) but replaced some of 'em with free ones, so the majority of the functionality should still be there. Enjoy!

  77. I must be dyslexic by iplayfast · · Score: 1

    Every time I see this title I think "French Kiss Gets OSS from USB Sticks" and I'm left wondering if it's a virus or something.

  78. Re:There is more.... by skoaldipper · · Score: 1

    If anything, I'd imagine that they are attempting to build a competency around OSS.
    I would agree with that. I also think that for just a mere $3.4 million dollars, they are trying something similar to what Apple did here in the States. Initially, as the common wisdom goes, Apple donated to schools for education, yes, and also for namebrand recognition and indoctrination. Whereas the Apple plan fizzled over time due to inexpensive PC clones, I think this plan will have a greater chance of success in the OS wars. Originally, I assumed France should have just phased in Linux on all the computers instead of using a USB stick as the medium. However, not only does the child get to use the OS at school, but home as well. Double bonus! And I would imagine it's far cheaper in school maintenance or having multiple OS computers too; economic and educational motives do justify the means here. Triple threat!
    --
    I hope, when they die, cartoon characters have to answer for their sins.
  79. Re:Exciting? No, this program teaches kids nothing by sumdumass · · Score: 1

    You missed his entire point while somehow examplifying it at the same time. (and yes I just made a word up).

    Your attempting to claim the your free way is the only wayto be be. If it wasn't then why ask how free a person can be with those specific questions. He is claiming that giving free software away doesn't do anything to let the user know there are choices and how to make them based on what they need. In the end, He is saying that it is the same as the other venders claiming you need this or cannot do something without this.

    I only find this interesting because it is Ironic when the freedom of free software is about to shrink in an attempt to protect it with the GPLv3. The whole premis behind it is to force someone to do something they are not willing to do as of now. So i guess the idea or free or freedom isn't a static definition but more of a moving target. The question that remains is Who's version of freedom is the free-est and who version is most benificial. I'm asuming that they are simular but not the same. Although nothing would stop one version of freedom from being both the most benificial as well as the most free. I just don't think it would ever have the same definition and this is an example of why.

  80. France24 by kakofb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If the French are so enthusiastic about being open source and/or moving away from Microsoft, why is their France24 video stream on their website Microsoft-only?
    France24 is supposed to be the bastion of everything French to the rest of the world and you can't watch it online unless you're using IE, running Windows, have WMP, etc.

    1. Re:France24 by Quince+alPillan · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but it plays fine on my Kubuntu Edgy with Firefox. Have you tried Mplayer with mplayer-plugin? Don't forget the w32 codecs from mplayer's site.

      I went to France24 and clicked Live Feed and it played fine.

    2. Re:France24 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can watch it Firefox running OS X.

      Anyway, are you saying that just because one French entity optimizes for Windows that that says something about the whole French population?

  81. "music or other files"? by iabervon · · Score: 1

    I'm sure everything on these USB sticks, aside from music, will be other files. (Who uses directories these days?)

    C'mon, this is slashdot. You don't have to say "other files", you can say "pr0n" here...

  82. veil? by VON-MAN · · Score: 1
    "...it was actually a leftover...she was built for Egypt, but Egypt went bankrupt before the statue was completed. She was originally to have a veil."

    Well, the www.americanparknetwork.com seems to say this about it:

    "Many people believed Charlotte Bartholdi (1801-1891) was the model for the statue. Others thought it was based on her son's early drawings for a never-commissioned statue in Egypt. The sculptor's true inspiration for his masterpiece remains a mystery."

    So you probably pulled that veil-nonsense out of your ass.
    1. Re:veil? by AmazingRuss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript .php?storyId=7070098

      "By a Frenchman, Bartholdi, who had sold the idea to the Egyptian government to grace the entrance to the Suez Canal. His original vision called for an Arab woman with a veil to hold this torch, and this would serve as a lighthouse at the entrance of the canal. But in 1869, the Egyptian government went bankrupt and Bartholdi was left without a customer for his statue. And in despair he traveled to the United States and he passed Bedlow's Island going in New York Harbor and he thought, that would be a good place to put my statue.

      He sold it to the Americans with some French backers, but they insist on replacing the Arab woman with a veil and today you have an American woman holding that torch."

      The more you know....

  83. Re:Computer on a stick? Uh, yeah. by descil · · Score: 1

    > like calling a filled gas can a "car in a can". ..Yes... it's like that.. assuming that there are free tanks sitting around on the street all over the place.

  84. National Security by InfiniteZero · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The French government may have vested interest in moving towards Open Source and away from (U.S.-centric) proprietary software, due to suspected backdoors planted according to demands by the U.S. government. Same holds true for countries like China, Russia.

  85. Puppy Linux by smorken · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Are they getting something like Puppy Linux? http://www.puppyos.com/ This can be used on a flash drive to run Linux on any computer that is capable of booting from USB.

  86. Back in my day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We did lambda calculus on paper, and that's the way we liked it!

    Seriously though, this isn't a "we want the kids to become programmers" issue, this is a "we want the kids to be less dependent on proprietary applications" issue.

  87. virtual linux by mrmeval · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I'd want a virtual linux system that will autostart a session when I stick it in or that will boot directly into linux if I restart. I am wanting to have as much seperation of my information from MS stuff as possible.

    I am not sure how to achieve that. I have a bootable USB drive and would have to work on getting the virtual system set up.

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    1. Re:virtual linux by thorkyl · · Score: 1

      Look at Damn Small Linux

      It is real easy to create a bootable/autorun linux on a jump drive.

      So long as your PC/notebook will boot to USB

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    2. Re:virtual linux by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      I like it quite a bit. Now I was wondering how I could use some virtualization software to use Windows autorun feature and get a linux session up and running. I'd like to just stick the stick in and go. :)

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    3. Re:virtual linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I work for moka5, and you can do this with our software. The LivePC Engine lets you run virtual machine images (like your favorite distro) from a USB drive on a windows computer. There are some Linux-based LivePCs on our website, and you can easily create your own. It's a free download -- hope you try it out. We can answer any questions you have on our forum or via email.

  88. preinstalled oss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why aren't all usb sticks preloaded with OSS? I don't think it would increase their costs that much and it would look good in ads. Things like OO.org, Firefox, GIMP etc with nice shared installer and option to burn contents on CD/DVD.

  89. Re:There is more.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am a 27 year old guy and have been living in Paris for 17 years.

    First I will talk about your post then about the core subject of the article.

    There is a certain amount of truth in what you say, but I believe things are not so bad, I think you exaggerate somewhat, and I don't understand why you deviate so much from the core subject of the article. We are talking about Free USB keys with OSS for the young.

    French people are not stupid and neither are they against English speaking people or American culture. There is of course an amount of xenophobia in our country. For the 2002 presidential election, about 20 percent voted for the racist and extremist right wing candidate Jean Marie Lepen. Also we were very opposed to the war in Iraq since the beginning. That made us very unpopular at the time but see, things change, and time proves we were right, as more and more Americans think it was a bad idea. Anyway most of the countries in the world were opposed to this war and America going against everybody's opinion contributed to anti-americanism everywhere around the world, therefore also in France. I remember USA was more popular here in the Bill Clinton era.

    If you read more often French newspapers you would notice that anti-americanism has always been the least of our occupations. We are much more busy with unemployment, health care, education (therefore USB keys), etc.

    We do not make general assumptions about people. Also, the fact that our politicians and intellectuals make public declarations or write books that are or appear to be against other cultures does not imply that what everybody thinks here. Quite the opposite, they have always had a reputation for having a big mouth and being big liars, but hey, that is like all politicians everywhere on the planet, am I wrong?

    Personally, I love USA. I have an uncle in California, have made several trips there. I like the places, the people, the way they think. And my friends do, too. We know that what Bush/politicians/American companies/"you name it" do or say is one thing, and what you normal Americans think is another. We make the difference.

    Of course I happen to meet here from time to time someone that is anti American at the roots. But he/she is always a closed minded persons with severe shortcomings in his/her brain, lacking culture. But don't you find these sort of dumb people in a certain amount in every country in the world? Sure, you do.

    We young people here, and many less young ones too are open minded, and welcome you Americans here in our country, and we are sure you will do the same there. I have yet to hear from someone here having had a bad trip to the USA or vice-versa.

    To come back to the core subject, teachers and students at our university think it is a very good idea that high school students get a free usb key, even if it were a blank one. Even better with free software on it. We also think it should include a huge batch of relevant web links, a small IDE with a developer suite (at least in java) , and full documentation with it.

    The main reason is that it will be easier for everybody to get the work they do on the computers in the library or the laboratory back home, or the homework back to school in digital format, and we strongly believe small portable media like USB keys is going to replace in the future the huge 20 lbs/10kg backpack these poor students often carry to/from school, that I carried myself years ago, curving my back on the trip to school which you know is harmful.

    Also, for me nowadays almost all computers look the same, whether they have an OS or another one, a brand or another, a different architecture. So what makes each computer different for me is the data that is stored on it.

    Of course an USB key with my personal data is not a computer by itself. But it is the part that the anonymous computer from the Netcafe or the lab or my friend's need to become mine. Once it has my files, my preferences (I can always dream with those nasty Windoors profile

  90. Re:Make it easier to use...and the users will come by Technician · · Score: 1

    Honestly, I think anyone that considers that to be an acceptable state of "ease of use" for the hypothetical "someone" thats never used linux...is out of their mind. When thing work...they work great, but sometimes it just seems like the amount of effort required to GET things working is unacceptable.

    I had just the oposite happen. I took a machine and converted over to Ubuntu. Everything worked without ever going online or locating a CD for a driver unlike a Windows install. Everything came up running without endless reboots. I even was able to connect to my HP printers on the lan on Hawking printservers without installing a single driver from CD/floppy/download.

    The only thing that didn't work was my HP flatbed scanner was not recognised. I replaced it with a USB Cannon scanner. Again, no drivers or configuration needed. It was truly plug and play. No reboot was needed.

    There some things not compatible with Vista or drivers are coming soon... The same is true for Linux.

    Getting a machine up and running is only a small part. Keeping it running is a much bigger problem. I have problems on my wife's XP machine I have not been able to fix in almost a year. (most notably the flatbed scanner output has been hy-jacked by a photo editor which broke the photocopier. Hitting copy in the photocopier software launches the TWAIN interface, which launches the photo editor, which keeps the photocopier from getting the scan. Uninstalling the photo editor did not fix the problem.) I photcopy on the Linux machine now. The scanning options is much better than the Windows version ever was. I can even properly compensate and make good copies off canary paper. Gimp is better than any bundeled photo editor demo included on the XP machine.

    I have noticed the Windows machine seems to fall apart and the Linux machine keeps on running properly.

    but I think more thought needs to be given to what the knowledge/patience/experience level of the majority of computer users actually is, rather than projecting the "knowledge/patience/experience level" of your average linux user onto them.


    My Ubuntu install is my second Linux install. I'm about as newbie as they come. It does pay to read up on it. In Windows the same is true, except there is less official documentation. You have had Windows long enough you are comfortable installing AV software, upgrading browsers, installing patches, and maybe even editing the registery to finish removal of a paticular nasty piece of adware.

    but Linux has to get a helluva lot easier to use.
    I say the same thing regarding fixing Windows. I still sometimes get burned copying something to a USB drive or Network drive only to find later that I just made links instead of copying the files. Ever drag the my personal folders into a shared netowrk drive to reformat and rebuild a Windows machine gone bad, only to discover later that the copies of some of your files are just links to the originals which no longer exist?
    Easier is just what you are used to. In Linux, when I copy something, I get a copy, not a link.

    I would guess from the problems you had with the monitor is it is possibly using an interface other than the 15 pin D-sub such as HDMI. Cutting edge is not always fully supported. Find out what is compatible. I ditched an incompatible flatbed scanner. Some manufactures are not Linux friendly.

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  91. Re:There is more.... by Saffaya · · Score: 1

    Why do you have to equal the defensive behaviour of one's own language on one's own soil with anti-americanism ?
    It simply does not make sense.

    Oh noes !! The french have made mandatory that any product sold in their country has to :
    _Use french language to describe the product on the packging (slap a sticker is fine)
    _Include a french traduction of any operating/Owner's manual inside.

    Wow ... Soooo Anti-americanism .. Requiring products sold in your country to be understandable by even the grand-ma's who speak no english. Who would have thought ?

    And for your information, the french people hate no one.
    If we don't hate the germans for what they did to us during world war II (Occupation, Gestapo, concentration camps, entire villages slaughtered by SS, etc ...), which we absolutely don't, there is definitely no one we can hate on the planet.

    We have a beautiful country, excellent food, very nice healthcare, and vacations are treated like a god-given right. We're more busy enjoying life, which isn't perfect by any means, than waste it hating anyone.

    It is not because you yourself are hateful that we are. Do not assert to someone else your very own bad sides.

  92. USB vs. cafe computers by KlaymenDK · · Score: 1

    I keep hearing references to using USB sticks to have 'your own' computer when your at a cafe or similar establishment. I have never understood this -- perhaps Denmark is different from the rest of the world on this point, but the cafes I have seen, the first thing they do is to disable the USB drive.
    Surely, you would not be able to *boot* from USB at 99.9% of cafe computers? Or am I entirely off the track here?

  93. We're in gaol, dude by ajs318 · · Score: 1

    I wasn't around during World Wars One or Two; but, unless it's a recent phenomenon for the Americans to shoot soldiers on their own side, I'd say the French would have managed just fine without.

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  94. Re:There is more.... by slaida1 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Oh noes !!
    Wow ... Soooo
    I thought he asked you to go to bed. Why are you still here?
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  95. Re:There is more.... by Marcus+Green · · Score: 1

    "and software being American"

    Wow, I didn't know software was American

  96. Re:There is more.... by slaida1 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It's ok. Some people read their Weekly Taboo Words lists. They can then rev up to righteous outrage mode whenever one of those no-no words is mentioned. They can't do other than that, only parrot latest memes and feel they belong in some group.

    Mob/herd mentality at its finest, I'm so proud of them. They showcase how year 2000 is another 2000 years away from when human mind will be as developed as our current technology. We don't live in trees anymore but we're still half monkeys, pushing patches of fur here and there.

    So don't feel bad if some people label your posts flamebait or troll. They're trying their best to be useful parts of their communities, like we all do.

    Another banana, anyone?

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  97. Re:There is more.... by ajs318 · · Score: 1

    If anything, I'd imagine that they are attempting to build a competency around OSS.
    Exactly so. If French kids grow up comfortable with OpenOffice.org, Firefox and Thunderbird, then they are less likely to fall into the MS Office pit of despair. Also, since there are Linux versions of all these applications, it will make it easier for them to make the Big Jump.

    If Microsoft et al ever start with making a big anti-piracy push in France, you can bet that the end result won't be that everyone who used to have been using pirated Microsoft software will start using paid-up Microsoft software ..... c'est pas comment on fait ces choses. Microsoft will be lucky ever to sell a licence in France again.

    Also, there's a really good chance that France could be one of the first countries actually to ban closed source software. They've got some quite savvy IT policies; they have even gone to the trouble of creating words in their own language for concepts like RAM (memoire vive) and Source Code (lisible). And they still haven't forgiven the USA for making them invent a word for "inch" (France literally went straight from holding two fingers apart and saying "about so big" to using a mètre divided into a hundred centimètres; until imported American computer equipment began turning up in the 1960s, there was no word for "inch" in the French language, with environ deux centimètres et demi the official translation.) Well, that and laughing at their word for a printer buffer .....
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  98. Vive l'Microsoft by PinkyDead · · Score: 1

    French teens being French teens, is it not possible that they will rebel against the state imposed free software, as is there wont, and rally behind the cry of liberation: 'Where do you want to go today!'

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    1. Re:Vive l'Microsoft by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "French teens being French teens, is it not possible that they will rebel against the state imposed free software, as is there wont,"

      No, they'll just wipe the sticks and put French porn on them instead. The only question left is whether it will be classy/pretentious porn or the French equivalent of the Paris Hilton video.

      Revolution, shmevolution, they just want their spank material.

  99. Re:There is more.... by ajs318 · · Score: 1

    Et qu'est-ce-qui te fait croire que les Français doivent même aimer les Etats-Unis?

    La France ne vous doit RIEN!

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  100. Re:There is more.... by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Only a small proportion are anti-American; the majority are Anti-everyone-who-isn't-French.

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  101. Tony HAS backbone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    look at the way he's ignoring all the people disliking him. Apparently listening to the people isn't very democratic.

    What an arse.

  102. Re:Make it easier to use...and the users will come by ajs318 · · Score: 1

    First, connect the monitor's VGA cable directly to the PC's graphics card, not via a KVM switch or extension cable -- those things can muck up the monitor's data comms lines which are used for autodetection -- and use the Open Source driver from X.org, not the closed source nVidia/ATI binary driver (at least, until you've got it set up properly; once you have a picture, feel free to pollute your system with slaveware, but if you break both your legs you'd better not come running to me). Restart your computer. In the worst case, rm -rF /etc/X11* to blow away all your old configuration files, and forcibly reinstall X.org. Only when you have it working can you begin to muck about with KVM switches, extension leads and binary drivers.

    I hope I'm not feeding a cut-n-paste troll here. But this is high grade troll poison anyway, so it's OK if I am.

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  103. Puppy Linux OS + Apps in 84MB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Puppy Linux OS + Apps = 84MB.

    I've been using Puppy Linux for some time now,
    it lives up to it's name - the friendliest small Linux install I've ever encountered.
    Boots clean and fast from a USB stick, runs everything from a compressed RAM drive.

    DSL Linux is a bit smaller, but Puppy Apps seem to work better.

    The only shortcoming I find in Linux in general is overall support for new scanners/printers/cameras.
    Drivers always seem to be a low priority to the OEMs.

    Get the Puppy Linux LiveCD .iso file Here.

    1. Burn CD 2.Boot CD 3. Run Install Wizard to USB flash drive memory stick. Done.

  104. Re:There is more.... by Saffaya · · Score: 1

    > I thought he asked you to go to bed. Why are you still here?

    Pointless, unwarranted, and uninformative answer.

    Thanks for reminding me what a troll looks like.

  105. ObPiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sea-cook looked at what had been given him.

    'The black spot! I thought so,' he observed. 'Where might you have got the paper? Why, hillo! look here, now: this aint lucky! You've gone and cut this out of a Bible. What fool's cut a Bible?'

    'Ah, there!' said Morgan--there! Wot did I say? No good'll come o' that, I said.'

    'Well, you've about fixed it now, among you,' continue Silver. 'You'll all swing now, I reckon. What soft-headed lubber had a Bible?'

    'It was Dick,' said one.

    'Dick, was it? Then Dick can get to prayers,' said Silver 'He's seen his slice of luck, has Dick, and you may lay to that.'

    But here the long man with the yellow eyes struck in.

    'Belay that talk, John Silver,' he said. 'This crew has tipped you the black spot in full council, as in dooty bound; just you turn it over, as in dooty bound, and see what's wrote there. Then you can talk.'

    'Thanky, George,' replied the sea-cook. 'You always was brisk for business, and has the rules by heart, George, as I'm pleased to see. Well, what is it, anyway? Ah! "Deposed"--that's it, is it? Very pretty wrote, to be sure; like print, I swear. Your hand o' write, George? Why, you was gettin' quite a leadin' man in this here crew. You'll be cap'n next, shouldn't wonder. Just oblige me with that torch again, will you? this pipe don't draw.'

    -- Robert Louis Stevenson, Treasure Island.

  106. Re:There is more.... by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

    50 years ago we'd have them upside down with a ..........! (you get the idea)

  107. Re:There is more.... by AKabral · · Score: 5, Funny

    and renaming the "USB" sticks the "FrenchB" sticks . . .Take that you darn Americans!

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  108. Security on a Stick by SavvyPlayer · · Score: 1

    Before running any free software handed out like candy by any 3rd party entity, be it governmental, for-profit or non-profit, the logical first question should not be "what can I do with this software" but "how do I know this software is safe to use"? Users should be able to satisfy themselves of this question quickly, simply and easily before even so much as considering the potential value of the software in question.

  109. Re:There is more.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey!

    This is America! Speak english!

  110. Re:There is more.... by o'reor · · Score: 1
    > La France ne vous doit RIEN!

    Bah non, hein, et pis en 44 de toutes façons nos invincibles commandos de la Résistance étaient sur le point de fiche les Nazis dehors à grands coups de pompe dans le derrière. Et si c'était pas les Ricains qui avaient débarqué, ben on aurait vécu heureux dans le bloc de l'Est quand même, hein, ya pas de raison ?

    Allez Pépé, on va rentrer, c'est l'heure de tes gouttes...

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  111. Re:There is more.... by Donniedarkness · · Score: 1

    Are you the guy that "invented" Freedom Fries?

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  112. Double-edged sword by mark99 · · Score: 1

    This sounds like it has not been thought through to me. Won't this make it impossible to protest when Microsoft (or Apple or Google) does exactly the same thing?

    And is it not to be expected that Microsoft will do a better job at it than the Paris Goverment?

    Just thinking out loud here...

  113. Re:There is more.... by McDutchie · · Score: 1

    Yes, there are knee jerk reactionary "France Sucks" types, and I'm not one of them. But to deny that there is a powerful (Powerful) anti--American sentiment which is alive and well among French beaurocrats would be painfully naive at best.

    It would also have precisely nothing at all to do with distributing open source software to French schoolkids on a memory stick – just like your original flamebait post.

    You managed to fool the mods well this time, though. Hat off for some high-quality trolling.

  114. Good luck using these by tropicflite · · Score: 1

    Are there any public-use computers left in the world that aren't locked down to prohibit this?

    1. Re:Good luck using these by DJ+Wings · · Score: 1
      From that link:

      APPLIES TO Microsoft Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition (32-bit x86) Microsoft Windows Server 2003, Enterprise Edition (32-bit x86) Microsoft Windows Server 2003, Datacenter Edition (32-bit x86) Microsoft Windows Server 2003, Enterprise Edition for Itanium-based Systems Only if they use Server 2003.
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  115. Why not by thorkyl · · Score: 1

    We (my small company) did the same thing with my daughters school as a test enviroment and so far the teachers love the idea.
    We have also set up three clients the same way.

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    1. Re:Why not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody cares about your two-bit company and your grotty little school. Go away and die.

  116. It's all fun and games til hackers get root by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lunix... got r00t?

    I wouldn't trust Lunix OS security to protect anything more important than a pocket calculator. Unless they are going to put a few layers of virtual firewalls on the USB sticks... I'd skip it.

    1. Re:It's all fun and games til hackers get root by Xiph1980 · · Score: 1

      Indeed, Unix isn't 100% secure. No operating system is.
      The weak point of every computer, no matter what operating system it's running, is the end-user. If a user is using a linux computer in root, or just blatantly enters the root password if asked for it, ofcourse, the PC would be compromised.

      Atleast it's still a lot more secure than windows though, where malware can install without asking the user for a password or anything.

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  117. Re:There is more.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think someone else how replied to you was bang on the money. Traumatic head injury when young.
    Yet you got modded +5 insightful and he was modded flaimbait. Interesting.
  118. Kubuntu, Firefox, T-bird, OpenOffice..NOW, please by quixote9 · · Score: 1

    now now now. I want it now. How come the French always get to have all the fun?

  119. Re:There is more.... by Vexorian · · Score: 1

    I think this is more evidence of US being anti french.
    May I complaint? Why did this post get +5 insightful? It is so full of foo foo...

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  120. Re:There is more.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    France tries to keep their culture living.
    I am not french but I really applaud their efforts.
    I want diversity in the world. Otherwise it would be less fun.

    BTW. France play much more fair than Russia, China and USA.

  121. Re:There is more.... by iago-vL · · Score: 1
    No, this isn't the 50's anymore:

    s/s\/anti-Americanism\/Communism\/s\/anti-American ism\/Terrorism/

    Of course, If you had just started with s/anti-Americanism/Terrorism/ I wouldn't have had to replace your regex with a regex.

  122. Will it stay on there by morie · · Score: 1

    Is the software placed on the stick permanently? If not, how long will it take to use these sticks just to transport documents, MP3's etc?

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  123. Arse about face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The existence of GPL3 will not retire GPL2. Therefore, if the author of the code wishes, they can use the GPL3. If they wish, they may use GPL2. The ONLY person who is "limited" by the GPL3 that is not limited by the GPL2 is if they didn't write the software. So why should their lessening of freedom be accepted?

    From the FSF's POV this isn't the argument, so I've phrased an argument that follows what you believe to be the need for copyright and freedom.

    NOTE: the FSF says that the user of the software needs to be free. If the user wants to limit the freedom of other users then that is trumped by the need of the vaster "everyone else" to remain free. If the owner of copyright doesn't agree to that, they are free to use another license for THEIR OWN CODE. Their freedom isn't diminished. ALL potential users' freedoms are protected and therefore they are ALL more free.

    1. Re:Arse about face by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter what they think or how they can to that idea but what they are doing. They are in fact promoting freedom by taking freedom away. You cannot deny this rather attempt to explain it away. Well, I'm sure that comercial vendors can explain away the need for thier comercial app.

      But his point is still in line. It is not promoting freedom rather OSS over closed source apps. you can justify it as much as you want. A criminal who robs a store and claims he had no other way to feed his family still robbed the store. Just like taking freedoms to protect freedoms is still taking freedoms.

  124. Re:There is more.... by jotok · · Score: 1

    Fuck the French and their long-standing anti-Americanism. They should just take their Revolutionary War assistance, Statue of Liberty, legacy as a Cold War ally, and all that other anti-American nonsense and shove it up their collective ass.

  125. Re:There is more.... by bhirsch · · Score: 1

    Or stop being a smartass: s/Commmunism/Terrorism/

  126. Re:There is more.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a percentage of the overall retail industry, its overwhelmingly American.

  127. bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Bush crew offered both Russia and France multi-billion dollar contracts if they would support the war. If their interest was solely financial they would have supported the war. Instead they said "let the inspections regime continue" and got locked out of even bidding on open contracts (funny how the free traders never bring that one up, 'eh?). About 9 months into the occupation the US again offered France and Russia participation at the feeding trough of "reconstruction" contracts in exchange for support of the occupation and both again rejected the offer. So why is it you think they only participate in wars that are in their financial interest?

    In the case of France, despite the propaganda we are subjected to in the US, many French think of the US as France's sibling. They see our two nations as sisters in liberty and so they think they can be open and honest with us in the way family members are. Sometimes when you see your little brother acting like an idiot you have to confront him and things can get heated. That is the predominant view among the French elite. Meanwhile in the US we have people making shit up about France and trying to drive our two nations apart...

    1. Re:bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 interesting, -1 offtopic

  128. Re:There is more.... by SeeSchloss · · Score: 1

    Surely you mean anti-everyone-who-isn't-themselves ? I don't know many French people who like French people. Heh, I am French and I dislike the French almost as much as I dislike the rest of the world...

  129. With the prevalence of internet cafes in Europe... by 1nhuman · · Score: 3, Informative

    With the prevalence of internet cafes in Europe.. This is based on what? I work/live in The Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and France. Internet cafe's are NOT popular in these countries... only in some big cities around places where lots of tourists/international folk hang around you will find these. Broadband coverage in these countries is extremely high. Check out (for instance): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_Internet_ac cess_worldwide#Netherlands
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  130. Only to blind OSS zealots by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1

    Real kids will also want to see the hardware + the broadband connection. They want to sit in their rooms and play games, pr0n etc. Not hang out in uncool internet cafe's.

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  131. Re:There is more.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, i see a pattern here ! i'm a french misanthrope, too. I don't even like my family. Ye shall all burn in Hell for thy sins.

  132. Boo-hoo, why was I modded flamebait? by spun · · Score: 2, Informative

    Maybe if you hadn't been trying for first post, and had spent as much time on your original comment as you did on this one, the original would have been modded like this one was, even though it and this are still far, far off topic. Cry me a fucking river. You know exactly what you did and why you were down-modded.

    You can say anything you want on Slashdot and get modded up for it. Just refrain from being an asshole.

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  133. Re:There is more.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    How'd that Iraqi oil embargo work out for them?

  134. Re: There is more.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Although there is a world of info available at one's fingertips, there seems to be a trend toward folk spending their time with, and getting their info from, an ever tighter circle of those with like views. A car fan can spend time with others that like the same brand, model and year of car and debate about the best original color. A neo-nazi can read books, find current news, and discuss views, all in a global network of nazi websites. Major american isp's are already steering their users to filtered news laced with paid promotions, to favored sites for special interest, to partner sites and and paid links in searches. Thus, when we don't limit ourselves to a small universe, we are coralled and manipulated much more effectively than could be done with broadcasting and print media.

    Our only hope is to consciously look over the walls, break through the barriers, and seek out alternative news, views and communties. We must also work to bring others out of their comfortable chambers as well.

  135. Computer Algebra System (Maxima or Yacas) by dwheeler · · Score: 1

    I'd add a computer algebra system, like Maxima (with its wxMaxima front-end) or Yacas. Very cool capabilities. Wikipedia's list of computer algebra systems gives lots of links to more info.

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  136. Internet cafés... uncool? by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

    Are you sure internet cafés are uncool? Why? Because you can sit next to and actually talk to a real friend in flesh and blood?

    The point of a computing-environment-on-a-stick is so that you're not tied to that computer in your bedroom next to your smelly linen basket. It's a bit like network computing, but without the network. (And of course network computing only failed because it relied on a network.)

    I think this may be the way to turn the public on to free software -- the freedom the advocates talk about is realised in a very tangible, understandable way.

    Unless someone gets a Personal Server style project running, but that I doubt.

    HAL.

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    1. Re:Internet cafés... uncool? by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 1

      Nothing wrong with sitting in a café, but I do not recommend watching porn there.

  137. ebay by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

    Meanwhile, eBay's European division is reporting an unexpected increase in the sales of Thumb Drives.

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  138. Would this solution work with Windows Vista? by Franklin+Brauner · · Score: 1

    I haven't used Vista, nor do I know how its new security "features" work, but I'm wondering Vista security would interfere if the USB solution you suggest. Just curious.
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  139. Re:There is more.... by Brome · · Score: 2, Informative

    > Advertisers who use English words (but not the words of other languages) are fined

    Wrong. Advertisers can use English words if they like, but they have to provide a translation for these words somewhere on the ad (often in a footnote in small print).

  140. If this happened in the US? by DoctorDyna · · Score: 1
    let's not forget that Europe is a lot more open about advertising and sexuality than we are in the US. If they were to try this here, it would only be a matter of time before some sue-happy fat ass American woman sued the school because one of her precious kids managed to surf a porn site on one of these pieces of software, and the headlines around the world read "School provided software for browsing x-rated material."

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    1. Re:If this happened in the US? by DJ+Wings · · Score: 1

      I have a one-word solution: Edubuntu.
      Just install Edubuntu, make a live CD with the http://linux-live.org/ scripts, and install it to a USB drive- or a few hundred. There has to be some child-proofing software in it somewhere.

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  141. I live in Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'but do you think such a project would work here as well'

    I live in Europe so this is here for me, you insensitive clod!

    AC

  142. Portable? by tetsuo29 · · Score: 1

    It's too bad these apps aren't truly portable. They're only portable from one Win32 box to another. Imagine if all of these apps were coded in Java and would run on any machine with a suitable JVM implementation, then they would truly be portable.

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  143. Re:There is more.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Really? If there were a single country to lose massive revenue from a French national shift to OSS, who would that be primarily?

    What's the news here? The "memory stick" as distribution medium? The fact that kids are being given OSS? The fact that French kids are being given memory sticks? Or the fact that French kids are being given OSS?

    No ask if France has a long time love of OSS? No. They don't. In fact this action is contrary to all of their past initiatives regarding OSS. Therefore it is highly likely that some other motivation exists here.

    Now regarding your belief that the original poster was OT: Would you like to explain how the motivations behind the actions discussed in the original post aren't relevant here?

  144. It probably won't work in the US. by DJ+Wings · · Score: 1

    But still, the $100 laptop isn't out yet, and won't be priced at $100 for years. For now, maybe schools could hand out USB sticks with, say, SLAX (bonus: modular = easily expandable, without having to re-burn a whole CD) on them, maybe along with FireFox 2 (nobody would care if they used IceWeasel instead), GAIM 2 beta, amaroK 1.4.5, etc... I could help. My school's IT staff will listen to me. I tried getting them to switch to the GIMP (unsuccessfully), maybe I could bounce that idea off them. SLAX has a future. Not that other USB-based distros (i.e. MCNLive) don't...

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  145. Re:There is more.... by bhirsch · · Score: 1

    Is it "Give mod points to 12 year olds day" or something?
    That is only on days that end in "y".
  146. The facts of the matter..... by hellbent181 · · Score: 1

    After reading all of the current comments (including the misguided ones) I decided to seek out the original article as I am interested in the subject. The source of the article was posted on ZDnet in France ( http://www.zdnet.fr/actualites/informatique/0,3904 0745,39366715,00.htm ) and yes it is in French, however you can use Google translator and get the sense of it if you don't have French language skills. It seems that it is aimed at giving the high school kids some personal "ownership" of portable computer resources to be used at school and home, though I doubt that the kids would rush down to the local cyber café and use their Education Department supplied Mandriva bootable USB key http://www.zdnet.fr/actualites/informatique/0,3904 0745,39365885,00.htm after school hours when they could be on-line gaming. And yes, there is a political angle to all of this, as according to other articles referenced by the above original, France is attempting to create a competitive position for Open Source Software, which is not being Anti-American at all (the French are ambivalent at best, toward other countries). BTW I do have a different (neutral) cultural perspective than most posters on this issue as I am an expatriate Australian, living and working in France.

  147. Re:There is more.... by Max+Littlemore · · Score: 1

    Why do you have to equal the defensive behaviour of one's own language on one's own soil with anti-americanism ? It simply does not make sense.

    The reason is simple. Any individual or group who sees themselves as particularly important will think that the actions of others are design to effect them.

    The neo-conservative propaganda that the US is the force for good in the world makes this more prevelent at the moment, even unconciously amongst people who don't buy into the crap.

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  148. "Here" in US? / ppl will format it / Politics ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems you live in US but i'm not sure if you "US-Citizens" are even a majority reading this web.

    "Here" in Spain there are a lot of public places to use a computer if you don't own one, but every year they are less visited by spanish people and more used by immigrants who want to call home or enjoy the net. That is that way becouse every year more parents know their children need to be acquainted with computers having one at home.
    I think most people will (re)format the USB-Stick and use it for other stuff so, why care about what should be on it?

    I think giving that sticks for free is just a political movement to 'buy' votes from young people.