Because it's existed for far longer then the vast majority of people have even considered using linux for a desktop system (Disclaimer: I have been using linux for my primary desktop for around 6 years)
Meh, shouldn't feed the troll and all that, but LSB set standards for things far beyond the desktop.
Answered my own question - you can change the search preferences at the bottom. Set to "advanced" search behavior, and turn off the stupid dog, and no more click throughs to specify "all files"
What are you doing in this thread?
I thought you were (like me) a whiney mac fanboy (or fangirl as the case may be)
I generally agree with you that a html renderer is a handy thing to have around in an operating environment, however your statement:
If it was not for IE, Outlook would have never reached its near universal penetration.
Just isn't true. Both outlook & IE would never have reached the penetration they have without being included in the default install of 95% of desktop computers sold.
I'm not sure what he means by biggest, but microsoft's stupidist blunder was Bob and its most expensive blunder was the Cairo project (Cairo was later renamed and one of its most important element, OFS, is still nowhere in sight).
Internet exporer was not so much of a blunder as an expensive way to kill off Netscape (they were a much bigger threat then Dvorak makes out.
(the OT part) Still, at least Microsoft Bob was not a completely wasted effort - after all, you still have Rover the retriever to help you with searching in XP - and we all know that was worth waiting 10 years for...
Sure, in biology, differences help make the species stronger. Not true in IT.
Depends how big the difference are.
Take for example address space randomization (part of execshield). I'll quote redhat's explanation of it (as it's quite good):
The idea behind Address Space Randomization is to put program code at a different address each time it starts. This way, an exploit can't know where the return address pointer should point to.
Protects against many buffer overflow attacks (regardless of the hardware), with no cost to your 'standardized environment'.
Pity windows & macOS don't have something similar.
I am just arguing that Apple does indeed have to use surprise as one of their on-going marketing techniques. That said, I don't really agree with their actions in this case.
Hmmmmn, I guess you're right - product secrecy probably does help them for promotions such as that one.
Glad you liked my link to young steve:-) *sighs* the Apple II was a great computer too - first computer with a monitor (as opposed to a TV) that I ever used too!
My natural score is +2 - I think you've changed some settings if they show as +4 (and since critcising IE and Apple its only +1)
Its nice to have an intelligent conversation with someone. Thanks.
Errr, right, but I've used loads of BETA SOFTWARE and never had to uninstall the previous beta before installing the new version, I just went right ahead & installed it over the previous version.
What makes IE 7 special? It's not just because it's BETA SOFTWARE (I presume the capitalizion is important for you for some reason)
Surely MS's install / uninstall software is mature enough by now - even if IE 7 is BETA SOFTWARE.
Until recently, when installing Firefox on a Windows computer, you had to do the uninstall old version / install new version thing to avoid duplicate - and "dead" - entries in the list of installed software.
Depends what you mean by recently.
this blog says the issue you're complaining about was fixed over a year ago
P.S. Please remember to uninstall any previous IE7 builds before installing this one: Control Panel, Add / Remove Programs, Show Updates, scroll to the bottom.
Yeesh! Really? Why do you have to do that?
Could someone who lives in the US please call the support number (1-866-876-4926) and ask?
Oh, and for those of you wondering about Acid 2, the IE7 beta 2 FAQ has a comment from "Bobby G" with a link to this screenshot. Not much improvement. Perhaps the lack of improvement is explained by the kind of attitude displayed by MSFT employees (also from the faq comments):
Bobby G.,
We've written about the Acid2 test before. It is not a compliance test but is, instead, a wish list. We've been clear that we were not going to pass this test since we were first asked about this. The author of the test is well aware of this.
Going a little OT here, but the article gives one of the reasons for censorship as:
Controversial content has been under the spotlight recently after the widespread publicity surrounding an online video of a woman wearing high-heeled shoes stomping a cat to death.
If true, that is disgusting (although I don't see how censorship is going to solve the problem).
Unfortunately, it also uses java - from the article:
ThinkFree uses both AJAX and Java. The company admits that AJAX is more portable in that it doesn't require a plug-in, but they contend that Java is needed to provide true Microsoft Office compatibility and functionality.
According to this newsforge review last year it was a downloadable java app, rather then a webapp.
Check the actual app out (in 2 1/2 hours)
on
ThinkFree Online Review
·
· Score: 4, Informative
Think Free appears to be down for now, but at 7:00am PDT, you'll (apparantly) be able to have a look
Yeah, I always suspected I can't trust the security of *BSD...
There's quite a bit seperating openBSD & the Berkeley Software Distribution. netBSD was based on the last Berkely distribution & openBSD split from netBSD because some developers wanted security to be a stronger focus.
The openBSD project has completely rewritten most userland tools & also done a complete code audit looking for security bugs. The relationship between the current codebase & what came out of Berkeley ten years ago is pretty minimal.
God, that was silly of me! (didn't check the URL before posting)
Here's the article text, moderators, please mod the parent into the ground!
Securing UC Berkeley's network
School looks to shore up security in wake of breaches.
Linda Leung,Network World,04/24/06
The University of California at Berkeley has made a name for itself in networking, with innovations such as Unix, Berkeley
Internet Domain Name, Smart Dust and SETI@home. But the school has made headlines over the past few years for some things
of which it is less proud, namely a couple of security breaches (a stolen laptop containing personal information on graduates and a compromised database of California residents).
At the start of this year, the university published a scathing self-study of its Information Systems and Technology department. It acknowledged the school's advanced IT network and talented professionals but recommended radical changes to the IT department's
governance and structure (read the report).
Clifford Frost, director of Berkeley's Communications and Network Services (CNS), recently spoke with Network World Senior Online News Editor Linda Leung about what the university is doing to ensure that when people think of the school, they
think "innovation," not "infiltration."
How has IT evolved at the university?
It's been haphazard. In the case of the network, it's been pretty organized. Back in the '80s, there were campuswide committees
that said networking is going to be important so let's start building it up now. The campus financial and administrative systems
are pretty advanced. But campus student systems [such as online registration and course catalogs] are less well-funded and
organized because there has not been a single high-level sponsor. This is one of key things the campus is open to addressing
in the reorganization.
Every networked device has to have its operating system kept up to date with security patches - Windows 95 is not allowed
unless you buy a separate firewall device and stick it in front of [Windows 95]. There are microscopes controlled by old operating
systems - [the owners] have to put a firewall in front of them. We have software that people can use for free - they don't
have to buy their own firewall or anti-virus software.
Having a policy only goes so far. McAfee's Foundstone scanner allows us to scan the network continuously for vulnerabilities.
[If something is found] we tell [the device owners] to fix it or we turn off their access. Departments can log in and scan
their own nets.
How else do you secure the network?
We do intrusion detection at the border of the campus network and more and more inside the network. We monitor to detect when
systems have been broken into or are being broken into or about to launch an attack, and we can turn them off. We use McAfee
IntruShield Snort, Nessus and Bro Intrusion Detection System. [Intrusion detection] is a big issue because we've had some
pretty big security breaches on campus [see stories hereand here]. There is a big thrust in getting people to encrypt data on their desktop or laptop.
How do you get ahead of the security challenges?
The latest thing we're doing is getting people on campus to audit their systems, and the recommendation is to remove [sensitive
i
Great diagram - it does a pretty nice job of showing distro lineage - it is very hard to show linux distributions in a hierarchical chart like this as the relationships between distributions is not necessarily hierarchical.
For instance, the multi-lingual section does not show the parent distributions (with the exception of Vine linux) red flag (IIRC) was based on a version of red hat (as was mandriva).
Still, that's just being picky - its a useful diagram, that shows many of the important relationships between distros.
Normally I can't stand seeing more than four links crammed into a slashdot front page paragraph. Luckily however, that's completely mitigated by Zonk's perfect prose style, that seamlessly links all the summary elements together.
Thanks Zonk - this is your most readable summary ever!
I'd tell them to file any complaints with Spain, Portugal, and the Catholic Church. Those are the people that looted and oppressed Latin America.
Right - are you saying that if one group (Spain, Portugal, Catholics) loot & oppress a continent, then another group (the US) has carte blanche to do likewise?
Thats a very interesting position to take.
I presume that if your house got burgled, and just as you finished replacing all your items & repairing the broken window it got burgled again, you'd only complain about the first burglry?
Those cookers have an AC element. The magsafe connector is DC which is more susceptible to arcing.
A deep fat fryer is much heavier and uses a thicker and heavier cord which is less likely to be damaged. There's still a considerable difference between the two systems. As a result of Apple using magnetic adaptors its likely that many other laptop manufacturers will follow suit within 5 years. This is one of the major reasons why it has attracted so much attention.
To summarize, you think because they've made the cord thinner & DC its an "invention" rather then just a great idea.
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Why not "Linux Standard Desktop"?
Because it's existed for far longer then the vast majority of people have even considered using linux for a desktop system (Disclaimer: I have been using linux for my primary desktop for around 6 years)
Meh, shouldn't feed the troll and all that, but LSB set standards for things far beyond the desktop.
Answered my own question - you can change the search preferences at the bottom. Set to "advanced" search behavior, and turn off the stupid dog, and no more click throughs to specify "all files"
What are you doing in this thread?
I thought you were (like me) a whiney mac fanboy (or fangirl as the case may be)
Surely spotlight does everything you need?
I generally agree with you that a html renderer is a handy thing to have around in an operating environment, however your statement:
If it was not for IE, Outlook would have never reached its near universal penetration.
Just isn't true. Both outlook & IE would never have reached the penetration they have without being included in the default install of 95% of desktop computers sold.
As usual, Dvorak is on crack.
I'm not sure what he means by biggest, but microsoft's stupidist blunder was Bob and its most expensive blunder was the Cairo project (Cairo was later renamed and one of its most important element, OFS, is still nowhere in sight).
Internet exporer was not so much of a blunder as an expensive way to kill off Netscape (they were a much bigger threat then Dvorak makes out.
(the OT part) Still, at least Microsoft Bob was not a completely wasted effort - after all, you still have Rover the retriever to help you with searching in XP - and we all know that was worth waiting 10 years for...
Depends how big the difference are.
Take for example address space randomization (part of execshield). I'll quote redhat's explanation of it (as it's quite good):Protects against many buffer overflow attacks (regardless of the hardware), with no cost to your 'standardized environment'.
Pity windows & macOS don't have something similar.
I am just arguing that Apple does indeed have to use surprise as one of their on-going marketing techniques. That said, I don't really agree with their actions in this case.
:-) *sighs* the Apple II was a great computer too - first computer with a monitor (as opposed to a TV) that I ever used too!
Hmmmmn, I guess you're right - product secrecy probably does help them for promotions such as that one.
Glad you liked my link to young steve
My natural score is +2 - I think you've changed some settings if they show as +4 (and since critcising IE and Apple its only +1)
Its nice to have an intelligent conversation with someone. Thanks.
Ummm ... maybe because it's BETA SOFTWARE?
Errr, right, but I've used loads of BETA SOFTWARE and never had to uninstall the previous beta before installing the new version, I just went right ahead & installed it over the previous version.
What makes IE 7 special? It's not just because it's BETA SOFTWARE (I presume the capitalizion is important for you for some reason)
Surely MS's install / uninstall software is mature enough by now - even if IE 7 is BETA SOFTWARE.
Until recently, when installing Firefox on a Windows computer, you had to do the uninstall old version / install new version thing to avoid duplicate - and "dead" - entries in the list of installed software.
Depends what you mean by recently.
this blog says the issue you're complaining about was fixed over a year ago
Could someone who lives in the US please call the support number (1-866-876-4926) and ask?
Oh, and for those of you wondering about Acid 2, the IE7 beta 2 FAQ has a comment from "Bobby G" with a link to this screenshot. Not much improvement. Perhaps the lack of improvement is explained by the kind of attitude displayed by MSFT employees (also from the faq comments):
More details at snopes
Gmail has minor problems relatively often, although the last major outage that I can find was a year & a half ago (when it was in beta).
The GP has a point - a large business would be mad to trust their core business applications to a third party with so many potential points of failure.
Unfortunately, it also uses java - from the article:According to this newsforge review last year it was a downloadable java app, rather then a webapp.
Think Free appears to be down for now, but at 7:00am PDT, you'll (apparantly) be able to have a look
Yeah, I always suspected I can't trust the security of *BSD...
There's quite a bit seperating openBSD & the Berkeley Software Distribution. netBSD was based on the last Berkely distribution & openBSD split from netBSD because some developers wanted security to be a stronger focus.
The openBSD project has completely rewritten most userland tools & also done a complete code audit looking for security bugs. The relationship between the current codebase & what came out of Berkeley ten years ago is pretty minimal.
Why would anyone have personal issues with me?
What an odd thought!
Here's the article text, moderators, please mod the parent into the ground!
Securing UC Berkeley's network
School looks to shore up security in wake of breaches.
Linda Leung,Network World,04/24/06
The University of California at Berkeley has made a name for itself in networking, with innovations such as Unix, Berkeley Internet Domain Name, Smart Dust and SETI@home. But the school has made headlines over the past few years for some things of which it is less proud, namely a couple of security breaches (a stolen laptop containing personal information on graduates and a compromised database of California residents).
At the start of this year, the university published a scathing self-study of its Information Systems and Technology department. It acknowledged the school's advanced IT network and talented professionals but recommended radical changes to the IT department's governance and structure (read the report).
Clifford Frost, director of Berkeley's Communications and Network Services (CNS), recently spoke with Network World Senior Online News Editor Linda Leung about what the university is doing to ensure that when people think of the school, they think "innovation," not "infiltration."
How has IT evolved at the university?
It's been haphazard. In the case of the network, it's been pretty organized. Back in the '80s, there were campuswide committees that said networking is going to be important so let's start building it up now. The campus financial and administrative systems are pretty advanced. But campus student systems [such as online registration and course catalogs] are less well-funded and organized because there has not been a single high-level sponsor. This is one of key things the campus is open to addressing in the reorganization.
Also: What makes Harvard's net tick
What is your security plan?
Every networked device has to have its operating system kept up to date with security patches - Windows 95 is not allowed unless you buy a separate firewall device and stick it in front of [Windows 95]. There are microscopes controlled by old operating systems - [the owners] have to put a firewall in front of them. We have software that people can use for free - they don't have to buy their own firewall or anti-virus software.
Having a policy only goes so far. McAfee's Foundstone scanner allows us to scan the network continuously for vulnerabilities. [If something is found] we tell [the device owners] to fix it or we turn off their access. Departments can log in and scan their own nets.
How else do you secure the network?
We do intrusion detection at the border of the campus network and more and more inside the network. We monitor to detect when systems have been broken into or are being broken into or about to launch an attack, and we can turn them off. We use McAfee IntruShield Snort, Nessus and Bro Intrusion Detection System. [Intrusion detection] is a big issue because we've had some pretty big security breaches on campus [see stories hereand here]. There is a big thrust in getting people to encrypt data on their desktop or laptop.
How do you get ahead of the security challenges?
The latest thing we're doing is getting people on campus to audit their systems, and the recommendation is to remove [sensitive i
Great diagram - it does a pretty nice job of showing distro lineage - it is very hard to show linux distributions in a hierarchical chart like this as the relationships between distributions is not necessarily hierarchical.
For instance, the multi-lingual section does not show the parent distributions (with the exception of Vine linux) red flag (IIRC) was based on a version of red hat (as was mandriva).
Still, that's just being picky - its a useful diagram, that shows many of the important relationships between distros.
Link to version of tfa where you don't have to navigate through 5 pages here
Certainly not!
Normally I can't stand seeing more than four links crammed into a slashdot front page paragraph. Luckily however, that's completely mitigated by Zonk's perfect prose style, that seamlessly links all the summary elements together.
Thanks Zonk - this is your most readable summary ever!
Hee hee hee!
Can't you understand sarcasm?
(and you mispelt whiney)
*blows mmkkbb a kiss*
I'd tell them to file any complaints with Spain, Portugal, and the Catholic Church. Those are the people that looted and oppressed Latin America.
:-)
Right - are you saying that if one group (Spain, Portugal, Catholics) loot & oppress a continent, then another group (the US) has carte blanche to do likewise?
Thats a very interesting position to take.
I presume that if your house got burgled, and just as you finished replacing all your items & repairing the broken window it got burgled again, you'd only complain about the first burglry?
Thats quite.... charitable of you
Those cookers have an AC element. The magsafe connector is DC which is more susceptible to arcing.
A deep fat fryer is much heavier and uses a thicker and heavier cord which is less likely to be damaged. There's still a considerable difference between the two systems. As a result of Apple using magnetic adaptors its likely that many other laptop manufacturers will follow suit within 5 years. This is one of the major reasons why it has attracted so much attention.
To summarize, you think because they've made the cord thinner & DC its an "invention" rather then just a great idea.
Learn the difference between a press release and a report.
/.
If you can't read critically, you shouldn't be commenting on
Does your fryer remain powered up after the cord is rapidly yanked?
Errr right, thanks for your insight genius.