"Sounds like Microsoft is seeing Google much as they saw Netscape in the past..."
Google certainly isn't Netscape. Netscape was a ball of confusion and alot of poor development. Wasted all that energy on the browser when the back end is the solution.
Google is the world's largest computer and eventually will be the world's largest software developer, focusing solely on itself. Google is what McNealy meant by 'the network is the computer'. Carpet bombing baby!
Maybe Exchange is the *killer*. Here's what an experienced email admin posted yesterday about Exchange and spam handling:
"Microsoft has this "stated policy" that Exchange Server _will not_ verify local parts on incoming SMTP mail during the SMTP transaction. Supposedly this is to "protect" us from extra CPU usage for the LDAP lookups or something. What it means, of course, is that Exchange Server accepts mail for any local part for any domain it is serving, even dictionary attacks and other cruft. It then queues them up for delivery, but of course it can't deliver them because the local part is invalid so it wants to generate an NDR."
"This may have been reasonable behavior in 1998/9 when this product was being developed; today it is absolutely ridiculous. The prevalence of forged/invalid sender spam/viruses means that the Exchange Server "badmail" directory (equivalent of frozen messages in Exim land) just fills up constantly, even for a small site, and the server generates "collateral spam" for forged senders that are deliverable. I have no idea how sites with large email volumes handle this problem, it's just insane."
SGI pricing, weak engineering management and lack of prima donna control killed SGI.
That and (related) the lack of centralized management of it's engineering source. Just ask any former SGI logic or physical IC design engineer where & how the design repository tree was maintained!
>I think IBM (and to a lesser extent, HP) see the big picture here - >the commoditization of software and re-emergence of premium hardware. >And if you think about it, isn't that how it should be?
At this juncture is Sun between the rock & a hard place? Do they have too much invested in Solaris to make the move? The BSD to SysV move was disasterous - customer wise and a waste of developer talent - when all they really needed at the time was a decent MP kernel. Ironically, I think SMCC may have been one the last to migrate;> (not completely kidding). If they don't do Linux on Sparc (& what uP comes next on Sun hardware) they die slowly, painfully (Ken Olson snake oil comes to mind - is DEC even a memory anymore?). How much is the present state from McNealy's chronic not-invented-here arrogance?
IBM really did a number on them. AIX wasn't truely competitive so no great loss for them. But being dependent on IBM & HP at the high-end ain't no picnic. I'd prefer to see Sun still here in 2010.
>My father's tech company was stolen away from him in the same way as in this article. He and several friends created a start up, and within a few years, all were shut out of the company, and the investors walked away with the prefered stock.
I think you might be mistaken. Usually only common stock shareholders may vote in most matters, with preferred shareholders voting in the case of (1) mergers and acquisitions, (2) disposition of assets or (3) issuance of bonds or more stock, or in matters concerning dividends. I don't think they can vote for company directors and other similar matters.
Maybe your father held most of his stock as options, so actual control of the company was in investor hands.
Thay may have "stolen" the company, though if they supplied the capital it was their's from the get-go. Just ask Al Shugart about company ownership...
I bet what used to be called SMCC is still the breadwinner. Sun has always been a hardware company first & formost. Remember when Sun pushed Solaris it was SMCC who assumed support for SunOS and released the stable and long-lived 4.1.3-u1b & 4.1.4 releases, because customers demanded SunOS 4 until Solaris 2.5.1 proved stable enough - software ported & QA'd - to make the cutover. And Sun needed (& still needs) to sell hardware.
IBM should know better than to mess with Morman lawyers, or maybe not.
Will this just another quagmire like ATT Unix vs. BSD Unix?
It would seem to me that Sun's Scott McNealy is hoping this gets very ugly. Interesting to see if Sun people are called to testify, good & loyal Unix licencees that they are.
"Companies outsource because they don't have the political will to control costs themselves"
This is the most telling statement I've ever read about outsourcing. And of course, neither do the outsourcing companies. How can it be in the best interests of their growth path and earning statement to truely control the client's costs?
As many have already stated in too many words, commercial music radio is dead, and has been in dead most markets for years and years. Even non-commercial radio (mostly below 92 FM) is directionless except for a few stalwarts like WFMU.
If you want great streaming music - I'm talking CONTENT here - check out Live365.com. I love 60's & 70's pop & rock-n-roll, both the originals and contemporary inspirations. There are "channels" dedicated to Brill Building girl groups, Phil Spector, British Invasion, Mod and Northern soul, Memphis Stax/Volt soul, power-pop (both old & new), bubblegum, an awesome Swedish power-pop channel, you name it. All you need to operate a station is a mighty record collection (most important!! - content is king!!) and your net-connected pc for mp3 generation and uploading. Some enterprising souls even netcast live.
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"Sounds like Microsoft is seeing Google much as they saw Netscape in the past..."
Google certainly isn't Netscape. Netscape was a ball of confusion and alot of poor development. Wasted all that energy on the browser when the back end is the solution.
Google is the world's largest computer and eventually will be the world's largest software developer, focusing solely on itself. Google is what McNealy meant by 'the network is the computer'. Carpet bombing baby!
- porgie
Maybe Exchange is the *killer*. Here's what an experienced email admin posted yesterday about Exchange and spam handling:
"Microsoft has this "stated policy" that Exchange Server _will not_ verify local parts on incoming SMTP mail during the SMTP transaction. Supposedly this is to "protect" us from extra CPU usage for the LDAP lookups or something. What it means, of course, is that Exchange Server accepts mail for any local part for any domain it is serving, even dictionary attacks and other cruft. It then queues them up for delivery, but of course it can't deliver them because the local part is invalid so it wants to generate an NDR."
"This may have been reasonable behavior in 1998/9 when this product was being developed; today it is absolutely ridiculous. The prevalence of forged/invalid sender spam/viruses means that the Exchange Server "badmail" directory (equivalent of frozen messages in Exim land) just fills up constantly, even for a small site, and the server generates "collateral spam" for forged senders that are deliverable. I have no idea how sites with large email volumes handle this problem, it's just insane."
Riiiiiiigghhttt....
(Lumbergh in Office Space)
SGI pricing, weak engineering management and lack of prima donna control killed SGI.
That and (related) the lack of centralized management of it's engineering source. Just ask any former SGI logic or physical IC design engineer where & how the design repository tree was maintained!
>I think IBM (and to a lesser extent, HP) see the big picture here -
;> (not completely kidding). If they don't do Linux on Sparc (& what uP comes next on Sun hardware) they die slowly, painfully (Ken Olson snake oil comes to mind - is DEC even a memory anymore?). How much is the present state from McNealy's chronic not-invented-here arrogance?
>the commoditization of software and re-emergence of premium hardware.
>And if you think about it, isn't that how it should be?
At this juncture is Sun between the rock & a hard place? Do they have too much invested in Solaris to make the move? The BSD to SysV move was disasterous - customer wise and a waste of developer talent - when all they really needed at the time was a decent MP kernel. Ironically, I think SMCC may have been one the last to migrate
IBM really did a number on them. AIX wasn't truely competitive so no great loss for them. But being dependent on IBM & HP at the high-end ain't no picnic. I'd prefer to see Sun still here in 2010.
>My father's tech company was stolen away from him in the same way as in this article. He and several friends created a start up, and within a few years, all were shut out of the company, and the investors walked away with the prefered stock.
I think you might be mistaken. Usually only common stock shareholders may vote in most matters, with preferred shareholders voting in the case of (1) mergers and acquisitions, (2) disposition of assets or (3) issuance of bonds or more stock, or in matters concerning dividends. I don't think they can vote for company directors and other similar matters.
Maybe your father held most of his stock as options, so actual control of the company was in investor hands.
Thay may have "stolen" the company, though if they supplied the capital it was their's from the get-go. Just ask Al Shugart about company ownership...
I bet what used to be called SMCC is still the breadwinner. Sun has always been a hardware company first & formost. Remember when Sun pushed Solaris it was SMCC who assumed support for SunOS and released the stable and long-lived 4.1.3-u1b & 4.1.4 releases, because customers demanded SunOS 4 until Solaris 2.5.1 proved stable enough - software ported & QA'd - to make the cutover. And Sun needed (& still needs) to sell hardware.
Sun owns it's UNIX System V license outright, royalty free, which I think was bought from USL/Novel. I don't remember the exact date or details.
...other professions maybe I could land a Sys Admin job. 11 unemployed months & counting. Please, go away.
IBM should know better than to mess with Morman lawyers, or maybe not.
Will this just another quagmire like ATT Unix vs. BSD Unix?
It would seem to me that Sun's Scott McNealy is hoping this gets very ugly. Interesting to see if Sun people are called to testify, good & loyal Unix licencees that they are.
Actually an *abridged* French translation...
Yea, 1.3(x) is the one to use. NEWSFILTERS!!
"Companies outsource because they don't have the political will to control costs themselves"
This is the most telling statement I've ever read about outsourcing. And of course, neither do the outsourcing companies. How can it be in the best interests of their growth path and earning statement to truely control the client's costs?
- glt
Does it include passwordless login instructions using ssh-agent or via other methods?
As many have already stated in too many words, commercial music radio is dead, and has been in dead most markets for years and years. Even non-commercial radio (mostly below 92 FM) is directionless except for a few stalwarts like WFMU.
If you want great streaming music - I'm talking CONTENT here - check out Live365.com. I love 60's & 70's pop & rock-n-roll, both the originals and contemporary inspirations. There are "channels" dedicated to Brill Building girl groups, Phil Spector, British Invasion, Mod and Northern soul, Memphis Stax/Volt soul, power-pop (both old & new), bubblegum, an awesome Swedish power-pop channel, you name it. All you need to operate a station is a mighty record collection (most important!! - content is king!!) and your net-connected pc for mp3 generation and uploading. Some enterprising souls even netcast live.
- michael