Ubuntu is not ready, Linux is ready and it has be ready for few years now. Only thing Linux needs is marketing. It does not need some people to promote one Linux distribution over others, like most Ubuntu users does, believing that Ubuntu is someway a "special OS". It is far away from "special" and it's lots more than "OS". (OS part is just the Linux there).
What we need, is HW vendors to provide specs or open drivers for Linux and all distributions gets everything working. What we dont need, is that we change Microsoft to Canonical, what happens when everyone demans everything specified build to Ubuntu, not by using standards and openess.
You already have great OS, and it is called Linux (Yes, Linux is the OS!). You can run what ever kind desktop environment or windowmanager with it. Just choose your distribution to get system what you want and if there is such, then print LFS book and build up your own. You can just get your own system up with Linux (OS) + blackbox (GUI) bretty easily if you just have will.
(I believe you make that typical error, you mistake Operating System and System. Operating System is hart of complete software system;)
Thats why we have Linux, what is the OS for what you write those drivers, not by all different distributions. If your application needs more, then look a LSB (Linux Standard Base) standard what specifie main components of Linux system so all distritubtions remains in same standard line.
All what the hardware manufactories are needed to do, is do Open Source driver against Linux and it will work on all distributions.
Mark is already late with his "suggestions" (orders), we got eye-candy few years go when Novell released the XGL.
Now we have Compiz-fusion and Kwin (4.1) what just blows away Windows Vista and Mac OS X eye candy.
Many should learn that Mark is littlebit late with his "demandings" and "suggestions". He is trying to be a person who innovates or tells what community should do, always littlebit late when he sees where the community is already heading so he gets promotion from Ubuntu users, who can then say "Mark already told what we must do".
Mark is doing good job marketing Linux as alternative OS for Windows and Mac OS X, but those who listen and reads his opinions, should understand that he is talking about current situations and where the community is already gone, and not believing that Mark is leading the community. And of course Mark is promoting own Linux distribution, because he gets money selling supports for it. What is not wrong, but the results how Ubuntu affects the whole community, could be wrong in long run. And there is few better distributions for newbies or other situations, what should be remembered and not just always promote the Ubuntu as "easiest".
OS should have just small memory usage, small CPU usage and powerfull support for different devices and applications. Just like Linux is. Then we can choose what desktop we run top of OS so those who like to run OS so low HW usage as possible, can run it even with only a using CLI application. And those who like to have all bells and whisles ringing and shining, can install other applications like Gnome and KDE with Compiz fusion if their own window manager does not give them.
I like Linux because it is so powerfull OS, while I dont use Vista (Even I have two license, Business and Ultimate, what I have got from work and school) on my machines because they dont give me the power to customise the system how I like to have it. Linux does give me the power to build own system top of it.
And on year 2545 humans are thinking what kind loss it was when internet collapsed because of P2P and Microsoft. They try to study the remaining 5½ floppies or few USB sticks but they are too simple for their machines, all DVD/BR/CD disk has melted etc...
Apple toke KHTML, developed it so it got passed Acid2 then returned the code back to KHTML as KDE developers demand as GPL rules. KDE team got everything as one big patch and then they grepped the changed from it and improved the KTHML too.
Without KHTML, there would not be a Webkit, because Apple would not have other source to get as good engine (mayby a alternative would be a gecko engine).
Now we all have great browser engine, thanks to KDE, Apple and GPL.
(Apple did not freely open sourced it because it was (L)GPL and so on 'a must' to release)
I dont need any closed source application for Linux. I have all games what I want running on Linux (and I dont own a console) and videoeditors what are easy to use and allow very good looking videos to develop.
Does I get "Informative +5" too because I told my personal toughts too of Linux how it does all what I want, even it was opposite than the other?
Wrong, OS can be anything what just has all needed services like I/O, Memory management, Process management, Security, Filesystems, System call.
Linux includes all services what are needed software to be an OS. OS does not calculate the exel files, or play the AVI files or you dont write your documents with OOo and then press it to PDF with your OS. OS just allows you to run all those applications.
You only need a Linux + Mplayer to be burned to DVD and you can just burn videos to that disk with those and you can just trowh the disk in computer and boot it up, you get mediaplayer and you can select videofiles from the DVD and play them.
If you just check all the technical requirements of OS, you notice that Linux has those all. Other kernels does not if they are microkernels so the OS services are separeted from kernel and they run in both memory space.
Linux is the OS Mandriva is the complete system The system works because of Linux Check the facts, type "sysinfo:/" to konqueror address bar and you get system information. Type "uname" to CLI and you get OS name what follows POSIX standard. So Mandriva is the OS but it is just a small part of complete system:)
So, we talk about Mandriva Linux here, what is great Linux distribution and I'm going to buy small laptop where I can install Mandriva, currently 2008 Spring in use.
Yes, it should be seen when asked, and not otherwise "a must see" information.
Distributions are making it easier when they ask what distribution version you have and you know scale of Linux kernel OS what are possiblity for there. And actually it is even easier for KDE users, just tyle sysinfo:/ on konqueror and you get the information like:
OS: Linux 2.6.25.9-0.2-pae i686
Current User: Fri13@Fri13-desktop
System: openSUSE 11.0 (i586)
KDE: 4.00.98 (KDE 4.0.98 (4.1 RC1)) "release 7.1
OS: Linux 2.6.24.5-laptop-2mnb i686
Current User Fri13@Fri13-laptop
System Mandriva Linux release 2008.1 (Official) for i586
KDE 3.5.9
And all kind other information when help is needed. I dont know how GNOME user get system information, if I remember correctly, there was tool for that on system menu?
So wich one version does that print, Windows NT or Windows NT's microkernel or both?
Like Windows is NT 5.2 series and microkernel is 3790 version?
I think that is just exact version of Windows NT so developer knows what kind version of microkernel it has and all other OS services, so the ver tells everything:-)
"[They] confirmed the root cause of the hardware system malfunction as an intermittent malfunctioning network card which consequently overcame the built-in system redundancy,' said an IAA spokeswoman."
And when we edit littlebit, can we have the truth?:
They confirmed the root caused the hardware system malfunction using an intermittent malfunctioning network card wich consequently overcame the build-in system redundancy.
That's why we need nerds who can ripp off those GPS devices from the car and allow user install a own GPS device what is build by Open Source so you cant be tracked... wait, then there is a bill against this and you get jailed...
But isn't the Microsoft's.msi package a package manager? At least many MS fans says that Windows Vista and XP includes package manager like all Linux distributions.
New version patched +250 bugs = +250 bugs less Last version has not patched = +250 bugs open
Those who dont update OS to new version, has those +250 bugs. Those who update the OS to newest version, has +250 bugs less.
Same thing goes for Microsoft Windows NT. +250 bugs closed on next update = those who dont update, has +250 bugs in OS.
What is the difference? Because Linux is open source OS, you can check out what is changed and exploit it if you have skills. Linus does not want those proof of concepts what you talked right. But it is easier to do because code is open.
But, because code is open, there is more possibilities to find/close/use bugs because there is more change to see source.
So, actually it is not about open source, but still it is.
You mean, drivers out of OS... because Linux is the OS... But I dont like the idea that there would be ABI for drivers. But I think it should be get changed that driver against Linux X.y.z can be moved like that to other Linux distribution.
Did you remember that those two days ain't Earth two days?;-)
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Yes, it is not "wrong" to call Ubuntu as OS, as long it is not be called as different OS than Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Mint or Mandriva. Because all those share same OS.
There is no need to talk about OS, we can talk the whole system with it's name, Ubuntu or Mandriva.
It is even better by that way when you say "Damn, my whole system is f*ked" or "Damn, Ubuntu just tilted". No need to spread false information against technology science that by talkin by "Damn, my OS does not show all web pages right" or "OS what I use, is much better than yours because it has open office preinstalled and media codecs too!"
It is very dificult to speak truethfully for normal user, if you dont know what words/terms to use. If you know, you just help the other person by telling the basic terms what you say and he can find out easier everything later, if intrested to know. And same time user does not think the first informer is wrong because book says other wise or if very bad things happens, user believes that book is wrong and the informer is right...
But Windows NT kernel does not have version numberin, (for developers there must be) but OS has the stupid NT x.y numbering and marketing names XP or Vista. So user does not know that XP is NT 5.1 and Vista is NT6 and next one is NT7 (Windows 7) and so on.
I dont like either that Linux has numberings like 2.6.26 etc. It just should be Linux. for developers it is good to know but hey, Microsoft has dropped the numberings from their OS, why we should keep on Linux it too? Distributions has even own numbers so we can relay to those, not just OS numbers..
First computer start processing game, what loads needed (set from settings) menu graphics in the 3D card memory and run GPU process those as you have set from settings. When you move to game itself, game orders OS to move graphics to 3D card memory on quality what was set on settings. When the graphics are on the 3D card memory, GPU can start processing it and showing stuff to your screen. Then it is about GPU how fast it can draw actions and VRAM how fast it can feed the GPU with the texture and other graphic data. If you don't have enough VRAM, you GPU needs to wait CPU to transfer them from RAM and it starts slowing down the whole process and game starts looks jerky.
Same thing is on the CPU RAM Swap. If you have heavy process what eats your RAM, rest of needed RAM is taken from virtual RAM, swap. This makes things lots of slower and it does not help if you have over powered CPU because you dont have enough RAM. That's why first thing to speed up computer, is to add more RAM, if you run out it and swap is needed to use, but if enough RAM is free, then you need to change to faster CPU what can process the data. But there is third "ring" too, the bus between CPU and RAM. If you have too slow bus what does not allow fast enough data to be transferred between CPU and RAM, it does not help if those two gets overpowered.
Now add for that a 3D card what process the graphics and is responsible for drawing only the graphics (in future, physics too(?)!), while the CPU and RAM does the Physics, Animations, AI etc etc. If 3D card does not have enough VRAM so the GPU cant draw graphics as fast it could, it gets slower. If you have lots of VRAM but slow (old) GPU, it cant draw so fast if scene is complex, or use effects what GPU cant draw itself as HW, but needs to emulate them or drop off.
Thats why you have settings in game where you can order game to tell the OS what kind data needs to be loaded to memory, so the balance of VRAM/RAM and GPU/CPU gets right and the drawing is smooth, in expensive of the quality.
More VRAM > better textures / more textures loaded to very fast memory > better speeds for GPU to store rendered stuff.
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Ubuntu is not ready, Linux is ready and it has be ready for few years now. Only thing Linux needs is marketing. It does not need some people to promote one Linux distribution over others, like most Ubuntu users does, believing that Ubuntu is someway a "special OS". It is far away from "special" and it's lots more than "OS". (OS part is just the Linux there).
What we need, is HW vendors to provide specs or open drivers for Linux and all distributions gets everything working. What we dont need, is that we change Microsoft to Canonical, what happens when everyone demans everything specified build to Ubuntu, not by using standards and openess.
You already have great OS, and it is called Linux (Yes, Linux is the OS!). You can run what ever kind desktop environment or windowmanager with it. Just choose your distribution to get system what you want and if there is such, then print LFS book and build up your own. You can just get your own system up with Linux (OS) + blackbox (GUI) bretty easily if you just have will.
(I believe you make that typical error, you mistake Operating System and System. Operating System is hart of complete software system ;)
Thats why we have Linux, what is the OS for what you write those drivers, not by all different distributions. If your application needs more, then look a LSB (Linux Standard Base) standard what specifie main components of Linux system so all distritubtions remains in same standard line.
All what the hardware manufactories are needed to do, is do Open Source driver against Linux and it will work on all distributions.
Mark is already late with his "suggestions" (orders), we got eye-candy few years go when Novell released the XGL.
Now we have Compiz-fusion and Kwin (4.1) what just blows away Windows Vista and Mac OS X eye candy.
Many should learn that Mark is littlebit late with his "demandings" and "suggestions". He is trying to be a person who innovates or tells what community should do, always littlebit late when he sees where the community is already heading so he gets promotion from Ubuntu users, who can then say "Mark already told what we must do".
Mark is doing good job marketing Linux as alternative OS for Windows and Mac OS X, but those who listen and reads his opinions, should understand that he is talking about current situations and where the community is already gone, and not believing that Mark is leading the community. And of course Mark is promoting own Linux distribution, because he gets money selling supports for it. What is not wrong, but the results how Ubuntu affects the whole community, could be wrong in long run. And there is few better distributions for newbies or other situations, what should be remembered and not just always promote the Ubuntu as "easiest".
OS should have just small memory usage, small CPU usage and powerfull support for different devices and applications. Just like Linux is.
Then we can choose what desktop we run top of OS so those who like to run OS so low HW usage as possible, can run it even with only a using CLI application. And those who like to have all bells and whisles ringing and shining, can install other applications like Gnome and KDE with Compiz fusion if their own window manager does not give them.
I like Linux because it is so powerfull OS, while I dont use Vista (Even I have two license, Business and Ultimate, what I have got from work and school) on my machines because they dont give me the power to customise the system how I like to have it. Linux does give me the power to build own system top of it.
And on year 2545 humans are thinking what kind loss it was when internet collapsed because of P2P and Microsoft. They try to study the remaining 5½ floppies or few USB sticks but they are too simple for their machines, all DVD/BR/CD disk has melted etc...
Apple toke KHTML, developed it so it got passed Acid2 then returned the code back to KHTML as KDE developers demand as GPL rules. KDE team got everything as one big patch and then they grepped the changed from it and improved the KTHML too.
Without KHTML, there would not be a Webkit, because Apple would not have other source to get as good engine (mayby a alternative would be a gecko engine).
Now we all have great browser engine, thanks to KDE, Apple and GPL.
(Apple did not freely open sourced it because it was (L)GPL and so on 'a must' to release)
http://www.google.com/trends?q=slashdot&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
Yeah, E3 is dying but so is slashdot because there is so many "+5 Funny" Hunters.
Ah, I bet you have tested Ubuntu.... because your feelings are such....
I have used Mandriva and what I do, is I right click the directory and select "Open as root".
Informative that post?
I dont need any closed source application for Linux. I have all games what I want running on Linux (and I dont own a console) and videoeditors what are easy to use and allow very good looking videos to develop.
Does I get "Informative +5" too because I told my personal toughts too of Linux how it does all what I want, even it was opposite than the other?
Wrong, OS can be anything what just has all needed services like I/O, Memory management, Process management, Security, Filesystems, System call.
Linux includes all services what are needed software to be an OS. OS does not calculate the exel files, or play the AVI files or you dont write your documents with OOo and then press it to PDF with your OS. OS just allows you to run all those applications.
You only need a Linux + Mplayer to be burned to DVD and you can just burn videos to that disk with those and you can just trowh the disk in computer and boot it up, you get mediaplayer and you can select videofiles from the DVD and play them.
If you just check all the technical requirements of OS, you notice that Linux has those all. Other kernels does not if they are microkernels so the OS services are separeted from kernel and they run in both memory space.
Linux is the OS :)
Mandriva is the complete system
The system works because of Linux
Check the facts, type "sysinfo:/" to konqueror address bar and you get system information.
Type "uname" to CLI and you get OS name what follows POSIX standard.
So Mandriva is the OS but it is just a small part of complete system
So, we talk about Mandriva Linux here, what is great Linux distribution and I'm going to buy small laptop where I can install Mandriva, currently 2008 Spring in use.
Yes, it should be seen when asked, and not otherwise "a must see" information.
Distributions are making it easier when they ask what distribution version you have and you know scale of Linux kernel OS what are possiblity for there. And actually it is even easier for KDE users, just tyle sysinfo:/ on konqueror and you get the information like:
OS: Linux 2.6.25.9-0.2-pae i686
Current User: Fri13@Fri13-desktop
System: openSUSE 11.0 (i586)
KDE: 4.00.98 (KDE 4.0.98 (4.1 RC1)) "release 7.1
OS: Linux 2.6.24.5-laptop-2mnb i686
Current User Fri13@Fri13-laptop
System Mandriva Linux release 2008.1 (Official) for i586
KDE 3.5.9
And all kind other information when help is needed. I dont know how GNOME user get system information, if I remember correctly, there was tool for that on system menu?
So wich one version does that print, Windows NT or Windows NT's microkernel or both?
Like Windows is NT 5.2 series and microkernel is 3790 version?
I think that is just exact version of Windows NT so developer knows what kind version of microkernel it has and all other OS services, so the ver tells everything :-)
No, why should she? Isn't the version numbering just a "silent" information what is easy to find if needed? :-)
"[They] confirmed the root cause of the hardware system malfunction as an intermittent malfunctioning network card which consequently overcame the built-in system redundancy,' said an IAA spokeswoman."
And when we edit littlebit, can we have the truth?:
They confirmed the root caused the hardware system malfunction using an intermittent malfunctioning network card wich consequently overcame the build-in system redundancy.
That's why we need nerds who can ripp off those GPS devices from the car and allow user install a own GPS device what is build by Open Source so you cant be tracked... wait, then there is a bill against this and you get jailed...
But isn't the Microsoft's .msi package a package manager? At least many MS fans says that Windows Vista and XP includes package manager like all Linux distributions.
So the openess has affect for security.
New version patched +250 bugs = +250 bugs less
Last version has not patched = +250 bugs open
Those who dont update OS to new version, has those +250 bugs. Those who update the OS to newest version, has +250 bugs less.
Same thing goes for Microsoft Windows NT. +250 bugs closed on next update = those who dont update, has +250 bugs in OS.
What is the difference? Because Linux is open source OS, you can check out what is changed and exploit it if you have skills. Linus does not want those proof of concepts what you talked right. But it is easier to do because code is open.
But, because code is open, there is more possibilities to find/close/use bugs because there is more change to see source.
So, actually it is not about open source, but still it is.
You mean, drivers out of OS... because Linux is the OS... But I dont like the idea that there would be ABI for drivers.
But I think it should be get changed that driver against Linux X.y.z can be moved like that to other Linux distribution.
Did you remember that those two days ain't Earth two days? ;-)
Yes, it is not "wrong" to call Ubuntu as OS, as long it is not be called as different OS than Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Mint or Mandriva. Because all those share same OS.
There is no need to talk about OS, we can talk the whole system with it's name, Ubuntu or Mandriva.
It is even better by that way when you say "Damn, my whole system is f*ked" or "Damn, Ubuntu just tilted". No need to spread false information against technology science that by talkin by "Damn, my OS does not show all web pages right" or "OS what I use, is much better than yours because it has open office preinstalled and media codecs too!"
It is very dificult to speak truethfully for normal user, if you dont know what words/terms to use. If you know, you just help the other person by telling the basic terms what you say and he can find out easier everything later, if intrested to know. And same time user does not think the first informer is wrong because book says other wise or if very bad things happens, user believes that book is wrong and the informer is right...
But Windows NT kernel does not have version numberin, (for developers there must be) but OS has the stupid NT x.y numbering and marketing names XP or Vista. So user does not know that XP is NT 5.1 and Vista is NT6 and next one is NT7 (Windows 7) and so on.
I dont like either that Linux has numberings like 2.6.26 etc. It just should be Linux. for developers it is good to know but hey, Microsoft has dropped the numberings from their OS, why we should keep on Linux it too? Distributions has even own numbers so we can relay to those, not just OS numbers..
Linux saves us from Windows NT!
First computer start processing game, what loads needed (set from settings) menu graphics in the 3D card memory and run GPU process those as you have set from settings. When you move to game itself, game orders OS to move graphics to 3D card memory on quality what was set on settings. When the graphics are on the 3D card memory, GPU can start processing it and showing stuff to your screen. Then it is about GPU how fast it can draw actions and VRAM how fast it can feed the GPU with the texture and other graphic data. If you don't have enough VRAM, you GPU needs to wait CPU to transfer them from RAM and it starts slowing down the whole process and game starts looks jerky.
Same thing is on the CPU RAM Swap. If you have heavy process what eats your RAM, rest of needed RAM is taken from virtual RAM, swap. This makes things lots of slower and it does not help if you have over powered CPU because you dont have enough RAM. That's why first thing to speed up computer, is to add more RAM, if you run out it and swap is needed to use, but if enough RAM is free, then you need to change to faster CPU what can process the data. But there is third "ring" too, the bus between CPU and RAM. If you have too slow bus what does not allow fast enough data to be transferred between CPU and RAM, it does not help if those two gets overpowered.
Now add for that a 3D card what process the graphics and is responsible for drawing only the graphics (in future, physics too(?)!), while the CPU and RAM does the Physics, Animations, AI etc etc. If 3D card does not have enough VRAM so the GPU cant draw graphics as fast it could, it gets slower. If you have lots of VRAM but slow (old) GPU, it cant draw so fast if scene is complex, or use effects what GPU cant draw itself as HW, but needs to emulate them or drop off.
Thats why you have settings in game where you can order game to tell the OS what kind data needs to be loaded to memory, so the balance of VRAM/RAM and GPU/CPU gets right and the drawing is smooth, in expensive of the quality.
More VRAM > better textures / more textures loaded to very fast memory > better speeds for GPU to store rendered stuff.