Actually Android applications run on Linux, because Linux is as well the operating system in Android. As every android application is ran by Linux (Linux Dalvik Application) it can not be said they wouldn't run on Linux.
What makes Linux in Android more closed than Linux in Harmattan (aka Maemo 6.0)?
Linux is under GPLv2 license and no one can not close it. Heck, you can even install any wanted Android version with wanted Linux version what is just available on your chosen handset.
Welcome to Android community where people actually run own compiled Linux operating system in their customized Android system.
Yeah and Linux is just so terrible operating system because it can not free the RAM but it is always filled with all resources processes use and even a disk cache is there...
Have you ever even understood how Linux operating system works or even how ANY operating system works?
I give you a magic word for your query... "Memory Management".
Un-used RAM is useless RAM.... There is no reason at all to keep RAM un-used as it is just wasted and re-launching applications just use more power.
User does not need to do any memory management with Android, let the Linux operating system to do its job as does it clearly much better way than you can even think off.
You don't have a clue about operating systems functions or even software development and you just shoot few "magical marketing words" about resolution, RAM and crashes as they would be the reason.
Tell me, how Linux operating system can be boring only for 90% of people? I would say it is 99.95% of people.
As you should know, Linux kernel is a monolithic operating system. 99.95% people does not even understand or know that. Operating Systems has from the begin being boring... What is exiting (or boring) is the graphical or textual user interfaces and programs and application programs what users can use to get their wanted things done.
Only a true geek can get exited what new features operating systems (like Linux aka 'Linux kernel') offers when they get new versions. Like how many user would be exited btrfs or better process scheduler? A improved network stack or new I/O scheduler? I haven't even ever head someone would had parties with hot girls dancing around when Linus released a new version of Linux operating system. Have you?
One big (should I say HUGE) reason what cause someone drop out from markets is that someone else enters to same market and is not depending sale income like the others already on market.
Example. Canonical would not exist if Mark Shuttleworth would not be spending his personal money to artificially maintain Canonical up.
The situation is exactly the same as someone is selling handmade product A on corner of street and every penny what is gained, is needed so the production can be maintained. Then one rich guy choose to drive that person away from the market. So he use money what his daddy has and as his daddy is millionaire, the new kid on the block can lower the street price and steal customers. No one can not compete against that one.
Same problem is with stock markets... Not all people can get enough loans to start a new company. Especially when there are bigger corporations with dominant market position or other way a constant incomes what they can spend.
Microsoft can do what ever it wants with money what it gets from Windows and Office sale... And it does not need to compete to maintain that money... WIth that money, Microsoft has maintained PC dominant market position and bought the gaming console markets for itself and even is now buying the smart phone markets for itself unless customers steps against it. Sony made same thing with PS3 on the HD DVD and Blu-ray war. They bought the market with PS3 Blu-ray drive.
Canonical has done same thing for Mandriva and other commercial Linux distributors what has been dependable of income of selling their distribution, their support, their service and maintenance tools etc.
Starting a company first by gathering funds for it, is needed when everyone are small on market and there is space for everyone. But when you are competing against big corporation, they can just wipe their asses and light their cicarettes with bills and laugh doing it while driving competitors away.
If Mark Shuttleworth would really want to support Open Source, he would have spended money directly to different Open Source projects, instead starting a own company in tax paradise (Man Island) to avoid taxes and starting a own distribution while same time stealing name of Linux operating system and promote their own Ubuntu distribution as "new Operating System". And while doing that, Mark has blessed the actions to steal income from other upstream projects like Banshee.
And the goal of the Mark was to gain enough fanatic Ubuntu followers who would support and price Canonical like it would be Apple 2.0 and that way to drive everyone out of the markets by giving the false information how Canonical is making a own OS, how they are the developing party of Open Source Projects and how they have managed to get everything up what they include in Ubuntu, leaving the upstream, original developers and communities without mentioning.
All that is legal, but it is not ethical or anyway related to Open Source honorable ethics. It is like stealing others fame and doings by presenting them as own...
We should have.... but Facebook did something what WWW couldn't and that is that every person has a own "website" where they have their contact information, photos, journals and so on.
The 90's boom for WWW was that everyone would have a own website. It did not succeed as now WWW is primarily only used by corporations and teams (projects etc) but the normal people are far away from WWW idea to have homepages.
Facebook is the "homepage 2.0".
Is it innovative? No.... but is it something? Yes.
To get innovation back to people, from corporations for sake of security. We should have easy way to get normal people to make own pages, for their chosen server provider with small fee (like 1-2 euros a month for 1GB storage).
It should be easy as just drop a package to directory and then open site with editor and drag'n'drop images, resize tables and banners, place input boxes and link to existing data just by drag'n'drop way and automatic galleries with directory hierarchy.
But even today, almost after decade of CMS's and others... It is still too difficult to make a own website. So people love facebook or Google+.
And many of those complainers would learn that Android user can just switch from heavy load launcher to faster and 100% smooth without lagging, like Adw.Launcher or any other. It is perfect even with ZTE Blade what has just a ARM6 CPU and without 3D acceleration in use.
Typical lifetime for phone is over 2 years... By technically, so leaving out those who need to buy a new one every 6 months.
The problem in many countries, especially in USA, is that phone price is put down artificially, but the price of contract lifetime is just laughable HUGE!
Like paying a over 40-60 dollars a month for 2 years? THAT IS STEALING! Unless you get fiber optics bandwidth and ping, unlimited amount of data, cable TV and few tickes to movies per month and free car wash once a week.... it is just stupid to take such a contract only because you get new phone "by $49-99".
I am just happy to have 2 year contract for unlimited bandwith & amount for 2 euros a month price. Network gives good HSPA what means I have almost everywhere where I go a 14.4Mbits / 5.76Mbits and under 80ms pings.
2 euros a month for that connection is "just there". But when watching my typical data consuming, what is heavy, I would say that 5-10GB for typical user is more than enough. Sometimes personally I go over 20GB a month but that really demands lots of usage so that battery is empty almost everyday two times. And when I use phone as the hotspot/tethering for my and friends laptop, it goes over 30-40GB easily if using just steam.
At least when most of the country where I live has other unlimited amount but bandwidth limited to 1-2Mbits (what is more than enough for mobile devices, if upload just would be same instead just 42KB/s) and price being 5 euros a month I would say that is good deal as well. Or unlimited bandwidth but prioritizated amount after 50GB a month for 8 euros. A 50GB is hard to come even with heavy use.
I understand well how ISP's are having problems in USA when their basic network capacity is not taken care in the first place. Heck, even the GSM voice quality is crap when compared to EU countries.
At one point, I really wish that it would be custom to have a data plan for every citizen for free and bandwidth would be at least 256kbits while amount unlimited. It would not be enough for all, but for most people it would be. At least when thinking about VoIP, Emails and basic surfing.
First people copy illegally copyrighted material and then officials makes laws. Then people starts protests about all kind things why "piracy is good thing". And then some people start DDoS attacks against officials...
And everything what people only do is proof officials to do correctly.
I would not trust anyone who gets others copyrighted material illegally as they would not respect any open source licenses either as they are protected by copyright.
If I want others to respect my choice to use open source license somewhere, I am going to respect their chosen license or way as well. And I am going to fight against them in same level but with moral and ethics instead piracy and other illegal actions. It takes more time and is harder to do, but results are better.
If people would leave the GIMP hate to toilet when they start posting to Slashdot they would find out that GIMP menus and UI is very logical and flexible.
Like, filters are under menu "Filters". A color related stuff are on "Color" menu. All selections goes to "Select" menu. And Image and Layer menus includes all related to Image and layers...
I think that goes Woooosh so many people who just want everything to be told them in "Photoshop Youtube Tutoria Episode #15 2322"
Hardware +Program Hardware + Operating System + Program Hardware + Operating System + Program + Library + Program Hardware + Operating System + Program + Library + Program + Program Hardware + Operating System + Program + Library + Program + Program + Program Hardware + Operating System + Program + Library + Program + Program + Program + Web Browser Hardware + Operating System + Program + Library + Program + Program + Program + Web Browser + Program
We are doing now the third circle, where Browser has started to act like Operating System and Graphical User Interface for other programs.
Instead doing a simple Hardware + Operating System + Other software, we are making very complex software systems where every new layer is dublicationg earlier ones.
Competition cause lower quality. As you want to drop all possible costs to minimium to drive competitor off.
As you say... capitalism means workers gets screwed, as does customers (lower quality, lower support) as there is only two reasons to exist 1) to make profit to share holders 2) to make profit again to share holders by selling a new one/version after first one got broken or obsolete.
In capitalism there is no ethics or no moral judgement. It is only handling stuff trough paper and powerpoint presentations where no one sees workers or customers and every one can live happily in filtered bubble how they make things great.
Well.... Comparing todays US workers rights (freedom) to todays slave-labor workers rights (slaves) over sees is same as comparing 1900-1960's workers rights (freedom) to todays US slave-labor workers rights (debt slaves). As in US, big corporations has succeeded to destroy the labour unions almost totally by various FUD campaigs and bills.
If people would want to get their economy up. It would need to be ruled that devices what are sold to specific country, needs to be manufactured on that country. And I mean manufacture, not just attach screen, battery and box it. But that every component is soldered to boards, assembled fully, tested and then boxed with country languages and support etc.
Sounds like BSD vs GPL.... (and no... not trolling, but some people like the idea that they need to be free to deny others freedom as otherwise it would not be freedom).
IF Martin Luther King Jr were about choose between GPL or BSD, I would place my bet he would have chose GPL because it gives ultimatum freedom to everyone.
But even that MeeGo seems to be going somewhere (at least source code being moved around), did Nokia correctly to reject MeeGo from the begin and continue develop Maemo 5.0 + Qt as Maemo 6.0 aka Harmattan for N9 and N950 and later just renaming Harmattan officially as MeeGo/Harmattan to get away with Intel deal?
Seems that Android will stay the best Linux OS distribution for smartphones and tablets few years now...
So whine all you like, we're winning. Your idiotic socialism leads to stagnation and eventually complete collapse.
Did you know that the Bank Bailout what US government made to save those capitalistic banks, was a socialistic help?
Did you know that bailout cost was more than even a NASA budget together from last 60 years?
If you hate capitalism so much, then don't bailout your banks or companies.... Don't support them, don't allow them to transfer money from profitable market to another market where their products don't make profit...
USA, the showcase of non-socialism and citizens don't even see how government, banks, corporations etc needs to turn to socialism to get even something saved after capitalism fucked up the whole world.
I travel trough Norway almost once a year... from south to north... It takes about 2 weeks while I go about 80% of the cities what Norway has on coast.
Separate branches in the same company should be separate entities and still have to pay their own way. (or, in other words, have their default finances "cut" to the amount the payment cost, possibly even lowering salaries if the branch isn't profitable enough. It is the only fair way. )
Yes, that would be... But think... Microsoft would not have entered to game console markets ever. Microsoft would not have ever entered to Search engine markets... Sony would not have ever developed PS3...
Youtube could be something different... Twitter, Facebook and other similar sites would never have existed...
And I like the idea... as big corporations and competition ain't good for customers
Nobody was forced to use Internet Explorer either, but that led to an antitrust trial that Slashdot was pretty excited about at the time.
Are you serious?....
Have you already forgotten what it was like between years 1995-2005? You really needed to use IE if you wanted to get pages look and work correctly...
Or are you trying to rewrite the history by denying that ActiveX, MS own Java version, own implementations of HTML and so on didn't exist?
Situation what we have today (IE being almost below 50%) has not been existing at those times... Thanks to netscape opening a source code of Netscape to give final name of Firefox and then leading to this...
You can even today find some people using IE6. But I understand, even 5 years on IT world can feel like many decades...
"Hopefully they file a countersuit afterwards for libel and harassment."
Google's motto is "Don't be Evil" and so on, Google would not do what you hope...
As when someone does mistake, it is a mistake. If someone is stupid or greed and sue you because that... it is still not right to sue back from it, but to work harder to be a better one.
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Actually Android applications run on Linux, because Linux is as well the operating system in Android.
As every android application is ran by Linux (Linux Dalvik Application) it can not be said they wouldn't run on Linux.
What makes Linux in Android more closed than Linux in Harmattan (aka Maemo 6.0)?
Linux is under GPLv2 license and no one can not close it. Heck, you can even install any wanted Android version with wanted Linux version what is just available on your chosen handset.
Welcome to Android community where people actually run own compiled Linux operating system in their customized Android system.
Yeah and Linux is just so terrible operating system because it can not free the RAM but it is always filled with all resources processes use and even a disk cache is there...
Have you ever even understood how Linux operating system works or even how ANY operating system works?
I give you a magic word for your query... "Memory Management".
Un-used RAM is useless RAM.... There is no reason at all to keep RAM un-used as it is just wasted and re-launching applications just use more power.
User does not need to do any memory management with Android, let the Linux operating system to do its job as does it clearly much better way than you can even think off.
Oh holy Computer Science how wrong you can be.
You don't have a clue about operating systems functions or even software development and you just shoot few "magical marketing words" about resolution, RAM and crashes as they would be the reason.
Tell me, how Linux operating system can be boring only for 90% of people? I would say it is 99.95% of people.
As you should know, Linux kernel is a monolithic operating system. 99.95% people does not even understand or know that.
Operating Systems has from the begin being boring... What is exiting (or boring) is the graphical or textual user interfaces and programs and application programs what users can use to get their wanted things done.
Only a true geek can get exited what new features operating systems (like Linux aka 'Linux kernel') offers when they get new versions. Like how many user would be exited btrfs or better process scheduler? A improved network stack or new I/O scheduler? I haven't even ever head someone would had parties with hot girls dancing around when Linus released a new version of Linux operating system. Have you?
One big (should I say HUGE) reason what cause someone drop out from markets is that someone else enters to same market and is not depending sale income like the others already on market.
Example. Canonical would not exist if Mark Shuttleworth would not be spending his personal money to artificially maintain Canonical up.
The situation is exactly the same as someone is selling handmade product A on corner of street and every penny what is gained, is needed so the production can be maintained. Then one rich guy choose to drive that person away from the market. So he use money what his daddy has and as his daddy is millionaire, the new kid on the block can lower the street price and steal customers. No one can not compete against that one.
Same problem is with stock markets... Not all people can get enough loans to start a new company. Especially when there are bigger corporations with dominant market position or other way a constant incomes what they can spend.
Microsoft can do what ever it wants with money what it gets from Windows and Office sale... And it does not need to compete to maintain that money... WIth that money, Microsoft has maintained PC dominant market position and bought the gaming console markets for itself and even is now buying the smart phone markets for itself unless customers steps against it. Sony made same thing with PS3 on the HD DVD and Blu-ray war. They bought the market with PS3 Blu-ray drive.
Canonical has done same thing for Mandriva and other commercial Linux distributors what has been dependable of income of selling their distribution, their support, their service and maintenance tools etc.
Starting a company first by gathering funds for it, is needed when everyone are small on market and there is space for everyone. But when you are competing against big corporation, they can just wipe their asses and light their cicarettes with bills and laugh doing it while driving competitors away.
If Mark Shuttleworth would really want to support Open Source, he would have spended money directly to different Open Source projects, instead starting a own company in tax paradise (Man Island) to avoid taxes and starting a own distribution while same time stealing name of Linux operating system and promote their own Ubuntu distribution as "new Operating System". And while doing that, Mark has blessed the actions to steal income from other upstream projects like Banshee.
And the goal of the Mark was to gain enough fanatic Ubuntu followers who would support and price Canonical like it would be Apple 2.0 and that way to drive everyone out of the markets by giving the false information how Canonical is making a own OS, how they are the developing party of Open Source Projects and how they have managed to get everything up what they include in Ubuntu, leaving the upstream, original developers and communities without mentioning.
All that is legal, but it is not ethical or anyway related to Open Source honorable ethics. It is like stealing others fame and doings by presenting them as own...
We should have.... but Facebook did something what WWW couldn't and that is that every person has a own "website" where they have their contact information, photos, journals and so on.
The 90's boom for WWW was that everyone would have a own website.
It did not succeed as now WWW is primarily only used by corporations and teams (projects etc) but the normal people are far away from WWW idea to have homepages.
Facebook is the "homepage 2.0".
Is it innovative? No.... but is it something? Yes.
To get innovation back to people, from corporations for sake of security. We should have easy way to get normal people to make own pages, for their chosen server provider with small fee (like 1-2 euros a month for 1GB storage).
It should be easy as just drop a package to directory and then open site with editor and drag'n'drop images, resize tables and banners, place input boxes and link to existing data just by drag'n'drop way and automatic galleries with directory hierarchy.
But even today, almost after decade of CMS's and others... It is still too difficult to make a own website. So people love facebook or Google+.
And many of those complainers would learn that Android user can just switch from heavy load launcher to faster and 100% smooth without lagging, like Adw.Launcher or any other. It is perfect even with ZTE Blade what has just a ARM6 CPU and without 3D acceleration in use.
They already are doing it someway. Check android market for "staff picks". And then there is "Editors picks".
The phone price is not the important factor here.
Typical lifetime for phone is over 2 years... By technically, so leaving out those who need to buy a new one every 6 months.
The problem in many countries, especially in USA, is that phone price is put down artificially, but the price of contract lifetime is just laughable HUGE!
Like paying a over 40-60 dollars a month for 2 years? THAT IS STEALING!
Unless you get fiber optics bandwidth and ping, unlimited amount of data, cable TV and few tickes to movies per month and free car wash once a week.... it is just stupid to take such a contract only because you get new phone "by $49-99".
I am just happy to have 2 year contract for unlimited bandwith & amount for 2 euros a month price.
Network gives good HSPA what means I have almost everywhere where I go a 14.4Mbits / 5.76Mbits and under 80ms pings.
2 euros a month for that connection is "just there". But when watching my typical data consuming, what is heavy, I would say that 5-10GB for typical user is more than enough. Sometimes personally I go over 20GB a month but that really demands lots of usage so that battery is empty almost everyday two times. And when I use phone as the hotspot/tethering for my and friends laptop, it goes over 30-40GB easily if using just steam.
At least when most of the country where I live has other unlimited amount but bandwidth limited to 1-2Mbits (what is more than enough for mobile devices, if upload just would be same instead just 42KB/s) and price being 5 euros a month I would say that is good deal as well. Or unlimited bandwidth but prioritizated amount after 50GB a month for 8 euros. A 50GB is hard to come even with heavy use.
I understand well how ISP's are having problems in USA when their basic network capacity is not taken care in the first place. Heck, even the GSM voice quality is crap when compared to EU countries.
At one point, I really wish that it would be custom to have a data plan for every citizen for free and bandwidth would be at least 256kbits while amount unlimited.
It would not be enough for all, but for most people it would be. At least when thinking about VoIP, Emails and basic surfing.
Uhm.... No.
First people copy illegally copyrighted material and then officials makes laws. Then people starts protests about all kind things why "piracy is good thing". And then some people start DDoS attacks against officials...
And everything what people only do is proof officials to do correctly.
I would not trust anyone who gets others copyrighted material illegally as they would not respect any open source licenses either as they are protected by copyright.
If I want others to respect my choice to use open source license somewhere, I am going to respect their chosen license or way as well. And I am going to fight against them in same level but with moral and ethics instead piracy and other illegal actions. It takes more time and is harder to do, but results are better.
The program for that is KRunner... Very flexible and great. And yes, people can even call Applications D-BUS calls trough it.
Filters > Blur > Motion Blur
Not so hard..
If people would leave the GIMP hate to toilet when they start posting to Slashdot they would find out that GIMP menus and UI is very logical and flexible.
Like, filters are under menu "Filters". A color related stuff are on "Color" menu. All selections goes to "Select" menu. And Image and Layer menus includes all related to Image and layers...
I think that goes Woooosh so many people who just want everything to be told them in "Photoshop Youtube Tutoria Episode #15 2322"
Hardware +Program
Hardware + Operating System + Program
Hardware + Operating System + Program + Library + Program
Hardware + Operating System + Program + Library + Program + Program
Hardware + Operating System + Program + Library + Program + Program + Program
Hardware + Operating System + Program + Library + Program + Program + Program + Web Browser
Hardware + Operating System + Program + Library + Program + Program + Program + Web Browser + Program
We are doing now the third circle, where Browser has started to act like Operating System and Graphical User Interface for other programs.
Instead doing a simple Hardware + Operating System + Other software, we are making very complex software systems where every new layer is dublicationg earlier ones.
Hey, CLI is nice... Thats why I say that KDE did something well with KRunner what works much better than GNOME (2.x) Alt+F2.
I binded KRunner to alt+Space and I don't use Kickoff or any other menu or launcher as all what I need is under my fingertips.
Alt+Space
Like if I need to convert 2000 square feet to square meters it is easy just Alt+Space: "2000 square feet"
Or how about 1495 hectopascals as bars?
Because KRunner, using CLI idea is just plain and simple.
And it is easy to make new modules for KRunner if someone wants to do so.
Competition cause lower quality. As you want to drop all possible costs to minimium to drive competitor off.
As you say... capitalism means workers gets screwed, as does customers (lower quality, lower support) as there is only two reasons to exist 1) to make profit to share holders 2) to make profit again to share holders by selling a new one/version after first one got broken or obsolete.
In capitalism there is no ethics or no moral judgement. It is only handling stuff trough paper and powerpoint presentations where no one sees workers or customers and every one can live happily in filtered bubble how they make things great.
Well.... Comparing todays US workers rights (freedom) to todays slave-labor workers rights (slaves) over sees is same as comparing 1900-1960's workers rights (freedom) to todays US slave-labor workers rights (debt slaves). As in US, big corporations has succeeded to destroy the labour unions almost totally by various FUD campaigs and bills.
If people would want to get their economy up. It would need to be ruled that devices what are sold to specific country, needs to be manufactured on that country. And I mean manufacture, not just attach screen, battery and box it. But that every component is soldered to boards, assembled fully, tested and then boxed with country languages and support etc.
Sounds like BSD vs GPL.... (and no... not trolling, but some people like the idea that they need to be free to deny others freedom as otherwise it would not be freedom).
IF Martin Luther King Jr were about choose between GPL or BSD, I would place my bet he would have chose GPL because it gives ultimatum freedom to everyone.
Bada already use Linux or RTOS operating system, so which one is going to be chosen to result of this new merge?
Moblin + Maemo 5.0 +Qt = MeeGo -> MeeGo + LiMo = Tizen -> Tizen + Bada = ???
But even that MeeGo seems to be going somewhere (at least source code being moved around), did Nokia correctly to reject MeeGo from the begin and continue develop Maemo 5.0 + Qt as Maemo 6.0 aka Harmattan for N9 and N950 and later just renaming Harmattan officially as MeeGo/Harmattan to get away with Intel deal?
Seems that Android will stay the best Linux OS distribution for smartphones and tablets few years now...
So whine all you like, we're winning. Your idiotic socialism leads to stagnation and eventually complete collapse.
Did you know that the Bank Bailout what US government made to save those capitalistic banks, was a socialistic help?
Did you know that bailout cost was more than even a NASA budget together from last 60 years?
If you hate capitalism so much, then don't bailout your banks or companies.... Don't support them, don't allow them to transfer money from profitable market to another market where their products don't make profit...
USA, the showcase of non-socialism and citizens don't even see how government, banks, corporations etc needs to turn to socialism to get even something saved after capitalism fucked up the whole world.
I travel trough Norway almost once a year... from south to north... It takes about 2 weeks while I go about 80% of the cities what Norway has on coast.
So, care to try again?
Separate branches in the same company should be separate entities and still have to pay their own way. (or, in other words, have their default finances "cut" to the amount the payment cost, possibly even lowering salaries if the branch isn't profitable enough. It is the only fair way. )
Yes, that would be... But think... Microsoft would not have entered to game console markets ever. Microsoft would not have ever entered to Search engine markets... Sony would not have ever developed PS3...
Youtube could be something different... Twitter, Facebook and other similar sites would never have existed...
And I like the idea... as big corporations and competition ain't good for customers
Nobody was forced to use Internet Explorer either, but that led to an antitrust trial that Slashdot was pretty excited about at the time.
Are you serious?....
Have you already forgotten what it was like between years 1995-2005? You really needed to use IE if you wanted to get pages look and work correctly...
Or are you trying to rewrite the history by denying that ActiveX, MS own Java version, own implementations of HTML and so on didn't exist?
Situation what we have today (IE being almost below 50%) has not been existing at those times... Thanks to netscape opening a source code of Netscape to give final name of Firefox and then leading to this...
You can even today find some people using IE6. But I understand, even 5 years on IT world can feel like many decades...
"Hopefully they file a countersuit afterwards for libel and harassment."
Google's motto is "Don't be Evil" and so on, Google would not do what you hope...
As when someone does mistake, it is a mistake. If someone is stupid or greed and sue you because that... it is still not right to sue back from it, but to work harder to be a better one.