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Details Emerge About Spark Linux-Based Tablet

MojoKid writes "There's a new tablet in town called the Spark. The Linux-driven tablet, based on the Zenithink C71 and KDE was unveiled by developer Aaron Seigo recently. The tablet will be available for pre-order this week and will start shipping worldwide in May. In terms of specifications, the 7-inch (800x480) multi-touch slate will run a 1GHz AMLogic ARM processor and Mali-400 GPU, sport 512MB of RAM, 4GB of internal storage (with a microSD slot for expandability), 802/11b/g WiFi, a pair of USB ports, a front-facing 1.3MP webcam, and an audio jack. The UI of choice is Plasma Active and there will apparently be a content store where developers can peddle their wares and users can snag software."

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  1. The dev team thinks of everything by emurphy42 · · Score: 4, Funny
    From TFA:

    Seigo also noted that the tablet will indeed blend, although that would void the warranty.

    1. Re:The dev team thinks of everything by symbolset · · Score: 4, Funny

      If somebody comes out with an Android tablet that will blend and not void the warranty, I'm buying it. I have small kids.

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    2. Re:The dev team thinks of everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My vaporware Android tablet will survive blending and small children. It'll come out as soon as Linux desktop are the main stream.

    3. Re:The dev team thinks of everything by dudpixel · · Score: 1

      Linux desktop is mainstream where I work. When is this tablet shipping?

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  2. Please dont use such shitty wordage by unity100 · · Score: 1

    '....... where users can SNAG software ......' really. this wordage makes it sound as if the store will operate as charity and not with profit oriented sales. makes it sound as if we arent going to pay anything.

    'oh, we can just SNAG software eh ?' ..........

    why not directly use 'buy'.

    1. Re:Please dont use such shitty wordage by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      He probably meant "snarf", but "buy" does explain it better.

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    2. Re:Please dont use such shitty wordage by Dave+Whiteside · · Score: 0
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    3. Re:Please dont use such shitty wordage by Necroloth · · Score: 1

      much better than squirting...

    4. Re:Please dont use such shitty wordage by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      "Snag" is merely slang for "get", "obtain", "acquire", "take", etc. I agree it doesn't sound very professional, but it in no way implies stealing AFAIK.

      E.g. (from my misspent youth ca. 1980) Dude, I've got major cottonmouth--let's roll by Mickey-Dee's and snag a milkshake.

      No connotation of stealing. Perhaps you're thinking of "boost"?

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    5. Re:Please dont use such shitty wordage by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      "No connotation of stealing. Perhaps you're thinking of "boost"?"

      Nope. Boost is free! No need to steal it.

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    6. Re:Please dont use such shitty wordage by Skapare · · Score: 1

      "Snag" also means you're stuck with it until you make a significant effort to get rid of it. Other possible words include "Snarf" (get it quickly) and "Snatch" (get it with the impression you are stealing it or getting it for your girlfriend). But I do like "boost" in this case.

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    7. Re:Please dont use such shitty wordage by shiftless · · Score: 1

      really. this wordage makes it sound as if the store will operate as charity and not with profit oriented sales.

      Exactly. It's a psychological trick which is a standard piece of the Marketing tool bag.

  3. Why KDE? by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

    And I thought Unity was the way to go for tablets... I don't know what to think anymore ;-)

    1. Re:Why KDE? by Skapare · · Score: 1

      It's Linux. Exercise your OS-bildskilz (or just wait for others to do it for you and steal theirs). Just replace what bits you don't want with what you do want. I might get one of these and put Armed-Slack on it with Xfce. Or I might not just to tick you off.

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    2. Re:Why KDE? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Is unity useable at all on tablets?

      The new release appears to have removed the start button for me.

      Without a mouse to throw left, I don't think I could launch anything. The mouse is also required to reveal app menus.

      Where did everyone get the idea unity is designed for tablets?

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    3. Re:Why KDE? by Pieroxy · · Score: 2

      Is unity useable at all on tablets?

      I dunno, but it sure isn't useable on a desktop, so I guessed it was designed for a tablet...

    4. Re:Why KDE? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I think netbook, it definitely needs a mouse.

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  4. Rise of Linux by Wowsers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am interested in this tablet, not because it is best / most up to date, but it pushes Linux. What I mean is, it's not relying on a locked down version that the likes of Google pretend is Linux. It's not just a question of free as in no cost OS, but freedom to do what you like... which is not the same as installing re-engineered OS versions but might brick your device as that's how the hardware was designed.

    To that end, I'd love to see a 100% Linux phone, nothing relying on Google with it's bits locked down or tracking

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    1. Re:Rise of Linux by loufoque · · Score: 5, Informative

      Try the Linux phones Nokia made before being bought by Microsoft.

    2. Re:Rise of Linux by tehowe · · Score: 1

      I'm keeping my eye on the Tizen project, which is the Lnux Foundation's latest kick at the can after Elop killed Meego. https://www.tizen.org/ I won't be updating my beloved N900 until there's a new FOSS solution.

    3. Re:Rise of Linux by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      try openmoko.

      or if you want something actually useful - which has other users as well - buy a N9.

      tizens philosophy of webapps hints at aims for manufacturers to ship pretty tightly locked versions of it, so you might just as well get a N9 now and enjoy it.

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    4. Re:Rise of Linux by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      if N900 is free enough for you, why isn't N9? it's available just as widely and in fact in some areas advertised much more than n900 ever was..

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    5. Re:Rise of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Those phones dont have a future, so by buying them you only subsidize Nokias future Windows phones. You need to put your money somwhere where it benefits the Linux ecosystem in the long run.

    6. Re:Rise of Linux by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      When I first heard about this tablet I was a bit disappointed especially with the price being so much more than the android version.

      I am getting a bit more interested mainly because Linux has pretty good support for usb peripherals, where android is pretty much mass storage and hid devices only. Cups should be available which will mean you can print without going through Google.

      Ok the chrome browser has a server component which lets you share your printer so for example I could take a photo on my android phone select my printer shared via the cloud google would push the print job to my netbook which will then pass it to my nas to serve to my printer and print the thing.

      Other devices will be supported Cd/ dvd drives tv cards hardware video encoders, a usb to serial port real barcode readers and other devices that most people will have no interest in but could be kind of useful in specialised situations.

      The screen resolution is a bit low for general use but its the first implementation, later models will be better.

      Chances are it will be dual booting android and linux not long after initial release so maybe this could be a nice tablet to have with the best of both worlds.

      wonder how well the kde tablet edition would work on the raspberry pie boards ...

    7. Re:Rise of Linux by tikram · · Score: 1

      I see this very often around here, but people don't seem to know that large parts of the OS on those phones are closed binary blobs - mainly the drivers, and parts of the UI and the bundled apps. Not exactly an open phone, I'm afraid.

    8. Re:Rise of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only it had a hardware keyboard...

    9. Re:Rise of Linux by MrHanky · · Score: 5, Informative

      Untrue. Nokia still develops Qt for use with future phones, both Symbian (which is being phased out in a few years) and cheaper 'feature phones' targetting what Nokia calls 'the next billion' internet users. Nokia has stated the Swipe UI of the N9 is going to live on, and obviously not in Windows phones.

    10. Re:Rise of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We' ve had a usable full linux phone (complete with its terminal and apt-get) for more than 2 years now with the Nokia N900. Right now you can get the N9, which, unfortunately, does not have a hardware keyboard so typing on the shell is not as nice as on the N900 - but is is otherwise a much better phone.

    11. Re:Rise of Linux by chrb · · Score: 1

      The Nexus phones aren't locked down. The source is available for the kernel and libraries etc. the only thing you don't get the source for is the Google apps. There are replacements for some e.g. Opera for web browser, various email clients. I don't think there's a replacement for YouTube yet though, though mplayer has been ported now, so it shouldn't be long before we see packaged mplayer frontend apps appearing.

      If you're talking about the architecture as a whole, it sometimes does "feel" less accessible, because you neeed to learn a lot of stuff before you are able to build a ROM and swap bits out. It would've been nice if there were a unified backend architecture (Wayland?) and similar base libraries (eg libc) that Android and the Linux distributions were both using, so that cross-platform desktops and their apps would've been easier to develop on desktops and tablets. KDE on desktop & tablet & phone, with cross-compatibility for QT apps (with size specific UI layout) sounds good. Throw in an Android player and a generic backend so non-QT graphical apps work, and it's a potential winner.

    12. Re:Rise of Linux by chrb · · Score: 1
      The price does sound a little high, but (assuming the Spark is completely open source) it will hopefully open up a whole new market of cheap clone devices.

      the tablet (about $265 USD) will be available for pre-order this week and will start shipping worldwide in May. In terms of specifications, the 7-inch (800x480) multi-touch tablet will run a 1GHz AMLogic ARM processor and Mali-400 GPU and sport 512MB of RAM, 4GB of internal storage (with a microSD slot for expandability), 802/11b/g WiFi, a pair of USB ports, a front-facing 1.3MP webcam, and an audio jack.

      The Ainol Novo 7 Paladin has similar hardware specs and been spotted as low as $80, it would be a good candidate for a Linux/Plasma port:

      Ingenic JZ4770 Xburst, 1GHz; Vivante GC860 GPU, 8GB Flash, 512MB RAM, Screen Size 7 inch 800X480 supports 1080P HD Video

    13. Re:Rise of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, there is a phone, pure Linux based and pure Open Hardware and Software. The successor of the OpenMoko Freerunner, called Phoenux, is available for online ordering. A group buy effort is ongoing to ramp up mass production at reduced cost.

      More details: www.gta04.org
      and : www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04

      There has been a presentation on FOSDEM this past weekend.

    14. Re:Rise of Linux by Wizzu · · Score: 1

      They are still probably the most open phones that are available in the mass market. (Not that I have read or done any studies on that.) You can replace the kernel too on the N9, if you want, even if it does have an impact on some of the features.

      Full disclosure: I am a Nokia employee.

    15. Re:Rise of Linux by DrXym · · Score: 2
      "100% Linux" is a meaningless term. Perhaps you mean 100% LGPL/GPL. I'm not sure how such a device would be guaranteed to be free of a backend like Google or tracking.

      Also, you can fetch and build Android yourself. Nothing to stop you forking it and stripping out anything you disagree with. A vanilla Android doesn't include any of the "premium" Google apps anyway so the tracking is minimal unless you count the default homepage of the browser and a few other vestigial traces. It would be easy enough to fork and strip them out.

      Cyanogenmod is example of an Android fork, one that tracks the mainline but also provides a substantial number of enhancements of its own.

    16. Re:Rise of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or try the successor of the OpenMoko Freerunner (GTA02), the Phoenux (GTA04), available for online ordering. A group buy effort is ongoing to ramp up mass production at reduced cost.

      More details: www.gta04.org
      and : www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04

      There has been a presentation on FOSDEM this past weekend.

    17. Re:Rise of Linux by Kagetsuki · · Score: 1

      Sharp Netwalker ran Ubuntu: http://www.sharp.co.jp/netwalker/pct1/
      It's also got basicaly the exact same specs as this but in a smaller form factor and comes with standard Gnome 2

    18. Re:Rise of Linux by Skapare · · Score: 1

      We don't need hardware that pushes Linux. We just need open documented hardware that doesn't impede end users from installing whatever they want on their own hardware. The penguin will come, followed by a red demon.

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    19. Re:Rise of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By 100% linux, he means 'not running the horrible Android java crap'. HTH.

    20. Re:Rise of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      replying to you from my n9 (ha), running opera mobile. getting ssh client (or console) was simply enabling the "developer mode". it also gave me sshd and i can ssh to the n9...
      nokia shareholders really should throw elop out the window or something, with n9 outselling their much more widely available and advertised windows phones

    21. Re:Rise of Linux by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      I find maemo superior to meego in terms of flexibility and usability, and the hardware keyboard is a must for me.

    22. Re:Rise of Linux by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      Tizen sound a lot like an Android from a usability point of view. Apps are to be programmed in javascript or something alike. Not GTK/QT like maemo/meego. I feel tizen will be more distant to gnu/linux than maemo is.

    23. Re:Rise of Linux by MtHuurne · · Score: 1

      You can use a (mini) bluetooth keyboard with it. Not out of the box, but it's not overly complex to set up either. I even saw an app for this appear in the Ovi store a couple of days ago.

    24. Re:Rise of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there's this aegis crap, phone api doesn't give you neighbouring cells, you can't access sms storage and there's surely more. don't get me wrong, i like this n9 - but there apparently was some pressure to cripple it a bit

    25. Re:Rise of Linux by DrXym · · Score: 1

      That horrible Android java crap is still open source software - Dalvik VM from Google, Apache Harmony Java runtimes, and various other bits and bobs. There is nothing to stop some either from porting QT to work on Android. In fact its already done. So you can write apps and entirely avoid Java if you want.

    26. Re:Rise of Linux by __aasdno7518 · · Score: 1

      I am interested in this tablet, not because it is best / most up to date, but it pushes Linux. What I mean is, it's not relying on a locked down version that the likes of Google pretend is Linux. It's not just a question of free as in no cost OS, but freedom to do what you like.

      I agree. And it's got a KDE desktop,which is quite nice.

    27. Re:Rise of Linux by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Tizen is not exclusively web apps. EFL is available for native development, so there's no reason to believe it will be impossible to do more. At this point it's just a wait and see.

    28. Re:Rise of Linux by Barbara,+not+Barbie · · Score: 1
      You can buy the exact same tablet today - it's just a rebadged Zenithink C71 - for $120 to $130. In other words, it's a real piece of crap, totally obsolete, and will never see the light of day, because as word gets out that , people will drop it like a hot potato.

      Go to 2:06 of the video and try to make yourself believe that's a 7" diagonal screen. Steve Jobs and his RDF might have been able to make you a believer, but this guy is no Steve Jobs.

      Also notice how the buttons on the top bar are so small that even on the 15" screen, they sometimes require a second attempt (probably because the demo is fake and they hade to coordinate their actions with the software player).

      Also of note - they tilted the screen to try to make it look like the laptop on which it's running has the same aspect ratio as a 7" 840x480 screen.

      This device will never see the light of day, because there simply will never be enough pre-orders. Not when you can buy a 10" tablet with android support (this doesn't support android) for $100. Or just buy the Zenithink for $120, follow the instructions on the net on how to root it, and install whatever you want on it yourself.

      Just remember, you're getting obsolete tech, poor battery life, limited wireless (only b/g, not b/g/n) and there are much better devices coming down the road (this summer, the same $260 this guy is asking will buy you a quad-core with much better battery life, better networking, better everything.

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    29. Re:Rise of Linux by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Maemo and Meego (rather, Mer) are equivalent in flexibility, though in usability terms Maemo (whether on the N900 or N9) is currently ahead.

    30. Re:Rise of Linux by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Tizen will supply EFL along side the HTML/JS runtime. And since Tizen will also be using Xorg + glibc, software should be readily transplantable between it and other compatible platforms, much like how games for the palm Pre would run on the N900.

    31. Re:Rise of Linux by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I'd love to have one because it's Linux, but especially because it's not tied to a phone company. But there are a couple of things that keep me from buying it.

      1. It's way overpriced (I discussed this at length in another comment)

      2. Seven inch screen? Way too small. Make it ten inches, about the size of a hardcover book. A friend brought his iPad 4 to the bar the other day, that thing's about the ideal size. My notebook has a ten inch screen, and it's about right for me. I don't see the sense of lugging around a big seventeen inch laptop.

      A question, though, how can installing an OS brick it? I've never seen any other computer bricked by an OS install.

    32. Re:Rise of Linux by almostinsane · · Score: 0

      My god is that thing ugly. What a waste of money.

    33. Re:Rise of Linux by Windwraith · · Score: 1

      Indeed, I just purchased one cheap Android tablet for 80â and the specs are only marginally inferior. (less CPU and half RAM, same resistive type of screen). I didn't realize how limited the Spark is until I had a similar tablet in hand. It's a failure waiting to happen. (if not a failure already) ...I mean, totally not buying this for $250+. ~$100 would be a more realistic price. Just the resistive screen is enough of a turnoff, and to make things worse you can find decent Android tablets with good touch and superior specs for those $250+. KDE is my desktop of choice, but...not worth paying $100 for it.

    34. Re:Rise of Linux by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      EFL != qt/gtk.
      There's millon more applications using the latter, that can be simply re-compiled to work on maemo.
      There's also many more developers that know the latter.

    35. Re:Rise of Linux by Rysc · · Score: 1

      You're right, they are far more open than most. And, indeed, almost all closed parts could be replaced without extreme effort, barring only some of the driver stuff.

      Real, fully-open phones are indeed possible but the n9 isn't the way to get there. It's just the best intersection of practical and open at the moment.

      Full disclosure: I own an n9 and an n900 and I love them both.

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    36. Re:Rise of Linux by Rysc · · Score: 1

      The n9 is a better phone and better for normal people, but hackers will like the n900 better. Certainly it's got nicer multitasking. It makes a very good hand-sized tablet, but only a so-so phone; if the phone experience could be improved it would be easy to recommend.

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    37. Re:Rise of Linux by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Well, as far as tablets go,

      • Android, as well as WebOS, are Linux
      • iOS is FreeBSD on top of XNU
      • RIM's OS is based on QNX, which while not quite Unix, is still a POSIX compliant OS
      • Windows 8 alone is based on the Windows 8 kernel, while its predecessors were based on Windows CE. There are no other non-Unix tablet OSs, and both Symbian & Haiku are floundering

      So none of these tablets 'push Linux' i.e Android pushes Google, while Spark would push KDE. This tablet pushes KDE's Active Plasma interface for tablets, and aims to give KDE a shot in the arm, which I do hope they get, since they are, IMO, the best UX around @ the moment, following a sensible platform-centric strategy for everything - desktops, netbooks and now tablets. A lot of native KDE apps are likely to be the native apps for this tablet as well - things like Konqueror/Rekonq and Calligra Active. In other words, it would be a good platform to popularize KDE. Also, if the makers of this tablet can tie up w/ some major book stores both in the US and abroad, they could make a compelling content based case for this platform.

      I expect this platform to be more successful than the one Ubuntu is creating.

    38. Re:Rise of Linux by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      Tizen is not exclusively web apps. EFL is available for native development, so there's no reason to believe it will be impossible to do more. At this point it's just a wait and see.

      yes, it's wait and see, and if I had to bet and I could find someone to take that bet, I would bet that if any phones from tizen lineage end up out you wouldn't have native binary access - for phone manufacturer partners/random guys just taking the source of course there's a native stack.

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    39. Re:Rise of Linux by rdnetto · · Score: 1

      To that end, I'd love to see a 100% Linux phone, nothing relying on Google with it's bits locked down or tracking

      They're also working on 'Kubuntu Mobile' (alpha release's available from the site), which presumably uses Plasma Active as well. The reference platform for that is also the Nokia N900, though as modifying an Android kernel to run Ubuntu doesn't take a great deal of effort, it won't be long at all before someone has it running on the Galaxy Nexus (or its successor).

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  5. Multi-touch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I wonder what framework it will use for multi-touch and how well the installed applications are optimized for touch input. Actually, (formerly) Nokia's QT was starting to get good touch support, might be a reason why they went with KDE?

    1. Re:Multi-touch? by loufoque · · Score: 1

      Does X11 even have multi-touch support?

    2. Re:Multi-touch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah it does. Since like 2008?

    3. Re:Multi-touch? by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Earlier than that. the Wacom tablet driver supported multiple pens on screen at once before that.

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    4. Re:Multi-touch? by RoccamOccam · · Score: 1

      Aaron Seigo is one of the principle developers of KDE and that is why they went with KDE. I'm glad to hear it -- KDE will be an excellent UI for a tablet.

    5. Re:Multi-touch? by DrXym · · Score: 1

      QT doesn't need to run on X11 thankfully. So it's more a question of whether QT supports multitouch. X11 is such a dinosaur laden down with stuff that most desktops work around or abstract away (e.g. with QT/GTK, Cairo, Freetype etc.) that even desktop distributions are looking forward to the day it can be dumped.

    6. Re:Multi-touch? by Microlith · · Score: 1

      It doesn't, but running a Qt exclusive framebuffer will break compatibility with other toolkits.

      We're stuck with X11 until Wayland gets off the ground.

    7. Re:Multi-touch? by Rysc · · Score: 1

      Multi pointer is not the same as multi touch. I was using two mice with xfree86 3.x, but that doesn't mean much.

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    8. Re:Multi-touch? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      In API terms, it would seem to me to be the same thing - reporting several positions at once - and what else does X need to concern itself with? Actually handling multitouch gestures in a special way is up to the window manager, DE, and applications.

    9. Re:Multi-touch? by Rysc · · Score: 1

      Actually handling multitouch gestures in a special way is up to the window manager, DE, and applications.

      Not so much.

      See for example this, where a spec for X multitouch gestures is described. This is not something WMs can effectively support without help from X. A couple of years later, support lands as a result. Yes, it's up to the WM or whatever to interpret the events, but X needed updating to give them enough information.

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  6. Preorder... by psergiu · · Score: 4, Informative

    This "preorder" business sounds fishy.

    Anyone remembers the "CherryPal Africa" $99 laptops ? I preordered two. And almost 3 months after the date they were supposed to be shipping i got the money back by filling a complaint with my bank. Some of the people who preordered used Western Union or simmilar money transfer services and they never got their money back OR the laptop.

    Be carefull if preordering vapourware from unknown companies.

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    1. Re:Preorder... by MtHuurne · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is always some risk in preorders, but I think this one is relatively safe:

      • Aaron Seigo is a long time high profile KDE developer and he was president of their foundation for two years.
      • The hardware already exists: they're re-using an Android tablet.
      • The software already exists: you can already download images of Mer with Plasma Active. It's a work in progress, but it's not vapourware.
  7. Nokia N9 by srussia · · Score: 3, Informative

    To that end, I'd love to see a 100% Linux phone, nothing relying on Google with it's bits locked down or tracking

    MeeGo Harmattan close enough for you?

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    1. Re:Nokia N9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm glad someone mentioned Nokia N9 here. In fact, as soon as I can afford to spend the money, I will buy one. I hope to accomplish two things with this purchase:

      • - I will own a phone with a free/open and modern OS (or at least less controlled then the competition)
      • - I will contribute a tiny little bit to changing Nokia's mind about abandoning Meego
    2. Re:Nokia N9 by Fri13 · · Score: 1

      What makes Linux in Android more closed than Linux in Harmattan (aka Maemo 6.0)?

      Linux is under GPLv2 license and no one can not close it. Heck, you can even install any wanted Android version with wanted Linux version what is just available on your chosen handset.

      Welcome to Android community where people actually run own compiled Linux operating system in their customized Android system.

    3. Re:Nokia N9 by cdp0 · · Score: 2

      But why go through all that when you can buy one phone (Nokia N9) that gives you what you need right from the start ? With N9 you basically have root access from the beginning, no jail breaking, no flashing, no nothing. This is what I call freedom (well, in this context).

    4. Re:Nokia N9 by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Some android phones are rootable too. Also, a phone's rootability says very little about the OS sitting on top. I'm sure Nokia could have closed the phone down if they wished.

    5. Re:Nokia N9 by cdp0 · · Score: 1

      That's not the point. The point is Nokia N9 gives you root by default (you have to activate it though, it is called developer mode I believe - I do not own a N9), not a rootable phone. It's a different philosophy altogether. Smartphones are more or less mini computers, and while I pay a lot of money for one, I certainly expect to be free to do whatever the hell I want with it. You wouldn't want your notebook locked down, wouldn't you ?

    6. Re:Nokia N9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, N9 doesn't quite give you root.

      Try loading a kernel module on your N9. Apparently can't do it. So, not real root.

      I have no issues doing this on my N900.

      When I heard N9 didn't really give root, it was scratched of my shopping list.

  8. but the most important question... by mrt_2394871 · · Score: 3, Funny

    even for someone who wants a full Linux stack, is: 'Can I play Angry Birds on it?'

    1. Re:but the most important question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why ask for Angry birds when you can wait patiently for Pissed Of Penguins (this is a real project)
      http://filmsbykris.com/pop/

      YMMV

    2. Re:but the most important question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there's a version even for my crappy LG "cookie", the answer should be: "sure, you can".

    3. Re:but the most important question... by MtHuurne · · Score: 1

      Or what about Slightly Annoyed Rodents?

    4. Re:but the most important question... by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      I think there is still missing version for standard Linux desktop.

    5. Re:but the most important question... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      Presumably yes, given that Chromium can be built for ARM, and there is Angry Birds for Chrome.

  9. Obligatory... by axedog · · Score: 4, Funny

    2012 - year of the linux tablet!

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    1. Re:Obligatory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This must be what the Mayans saw and foretold.

    2. Re:Obligatory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, but does it run lin.... oh.

  10. Close but not enough by larppaxyz · · Score: 1

    To me, this look's like cheap Chinese tablet, with plastic screen and low specs. With 260 dollars you can have WeTab with 10" 1366x768, 3G, GPS, 32G SSD and Intel Atom. I'm not sure why WeTab pretty much failed, custom WeTab UI is pretty good and tablet runs unmodified Debian and Ubuntu if you wish. However, i'm happy to see something like this appearing and it could be useful if it would only cost around 150 dollars.

    1. Re:Close but not enough by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      Where do they make the good tablets, if not China?

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  11. Zenithink rubish by wmac1 · · Score: 1

    I have used 2 different zenithink tablets (7 and 10 inches) before and they are rubish. Both of them provide less than 2 hours of battery, the WiFi does not work at even 6 meters distance, display quality is rubbish and tablet back becomes hot (specially the WiFi section). Wife reception becomes even worse if you "do not hold it right", i.e. put your hand on the antenna section.

    1. Re:Zenithink rubish by psergiu · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Wife reception becomes even worse if you "do not hold it right"

      Learn to hold yor wife right and she'll be more receptive :)

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    2. Re:Zenithink rubish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wife reception becomes even worse if you "do not hold it right", i.e. put your hand on the antenna section.

      So THAT would explain the fairly cold reception I got when coming home late the other night: I didn't hold my wife right. But I'm curious, where are females' antenna sections??? (Just so that I can avoid that area, when the need arises in future....)

    3. Re:Zenithink rubish by Clueless+Nick · · Score: 1

      ...but the antenna section is in the hub-by.

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    4. Re:Zenithink rubish by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Wife reception becomes even worse if you "do not hold it right", i.e. put your hand on the antenna section.

      If your wife has an "antenna" I think you should check she is a he on her birth certificate.

    5. Re:Zenithink rubish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. She's a Mantis-Woman from Green Alien Planet number 6.

  12. No GPS? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    No GPS! One of the great advantages of tablets over smart phones is the bigger screen, and GPS/Maps display. Sorry but No GPS, No Go.

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  13. Have they fixed.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Where the Tablet edition of KDE does not pop up the keyboard for Chrome or Firefox text input boxes?

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    1. Re:Have they fixed.... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I don't see how they can fix it without having some standard protocol for an app to indicate that a UI element requiring keyboard input is in focus, and without patching Gtk (and other UI frameworks) to use that protocol.

    2. Re:Have they fixed.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh? Is there really no cursor in KDE Tablet edition? That's obscene!

  14. They're doomed by TuringTest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The vision of Plasma Active is to create an innovative and fresh data-centric UI which is not concerned with applications but rather offers a user oriented interface with logically combined items through activities, which reflect the workflow and usage of the device by the user".

    Didn't understand a word? Me neither. And this is from a commercial company trying to sell the thing. No more luck with the promotional video, which only shows some loading times for some unexplained tasks for which the benefit is not clear.

    Until they hire some marketing people able to explain why consumers should buy the thing, and some UX people making the users feel at home when using it, nobody -not even geeks- will want to buy one.

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    1. Re:They're doomed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out "What is plasma active ?" at http://www.plasma-active.org/ for a better description.

      You're right, the one at basyskom is not clear at all.

    2. Re:They're doomed by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      "The vision of Plasma Active is to create an innovative and fresh data-centric UI which is not concerned with applications but rather offers a user oriented interface with logically combined items through activities, which reflect the workflow and usage of the device by the user".

      Didn't understand a word?

      Oh, I understood it perfectly. Allow me to interpret: We've not got a single blessed clue about this Plasma doohickus--hell, we've not even seen the thing--and the hardware has no standout features, which is why we're not actually telling you about them. And we're just generally full of crap, in any case.

      Google Translate really needs to add Marketing BS to their supported languages. :)

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    3. Re:They're doomed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fully agree with the above. Furthermore, they look set to announce the launch of the only tablet on the market with no 3G wireless networking capability. I'm as big a Linux fan as any (and I like KDE), but holy schmoly, even I wouldn't buy one of these. What's the point? If I get a tablet, it needs to have 3G.

    4. Re:They're doomed by shiftless · · Score: 1

      Until they hire some marketing people able to explain why consumers should buy the thing, and some UX people making the users feel at home when using it, nobody -not even geeks- will want to buy one.

      You're right that he needs to hire a good marketing person, but the device does have value as it stands. I'd love to have one for personal use. It's Linux based; I don't care about the interface, that can be changed.

      I can definitely see where some businesses might like to purchase something like this for use in an integrated system; for instance this caught my eye because among other things I'm designing a restaurant which uses a tablet-based ordering system, and proprietary solutions (as well as anything requiring Java) are completely off the table.

      There's plenty of Chinese suppliers already out there who I am sure have all types of Linux tablets available, but this guy has already done the legwork of putting together a more or less finished product that is ready for market. All that's needed is to customize it to the specific application.

    5. Re:They're doomed by TuringTest · · Score: 1

      You're right that he needs to hire a good marketing person, but the device does have value as it stands. I'd love to have one for personal use. It's Linux based; I don't care about the interface, that can be changed.

      When people in the target audience are already considering a change in the interface, which is the single major sale point, I am reassured: this is doomed!

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    6. Re:They're doomed by TuringTest · · Score: 1

      :-)

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    7. Re:They're doomed by bjwest · · Score: 2

      ... If I get a tablet, it needs to have 3G.

      Why? A tablet isn't intended as a replacement to your cell phone. You already have 3/4G access there, why pay for another?

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  15. Words mean things by symbolset · · Score: 2

    I would know. In this case "snag" means to acquire through purchase or through gift - to achieve ownership without theft.

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  16. Well... by symbolset · · Score: 1

    I'm tempted to twist a line from "Finding Nemo" here: Just keep waiting, just keep waiting...

    I've got a lot of wants too on my list. But until they let me back into the labs where we invent this shit I gotta take what's on the retail counter.

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  17. Difference between Android and Linux ?? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2

    Have a tablet running Android 2.3 (version 4 isn't available for it yet, still waiting)

    Need to know what's the difference between a tablet running Linux and Android ?

    Will Android apps work in the Linux tablets, and vice versa?

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    1. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by MrHanky · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are you sure that four digit UID really is yours?

    2. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've just discovered why Stallman advocated the GNU/Linux naming scheme. While Android kernel is based on Linux, Android as an OS is very far away from conventional Linux/Unix systems. Afaik Spark will be closer to conventional Linux (like what you could have in desktops and servers). Thus whatever Spark is running is probably completely incompatible with Android.

    3. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by chrb · · Score: 4, Informative

      Android and traditional "Linux" are not quite the same thing. Imagine taking a generic Linux distribution like Ubuntu, cutting it to the bare minimum, replacing xorg and the desktop with an app launcher, add a web browser and media player, add a Java runtime environment like the JRE linked to an online app market, and then you have something that resembles Android. Command line Linux apps will run on Android, but you will usually have to recompile them if nobody else has (you can cheat though, and say, run Debian in a chroot). Linux graphical apps (X) will not run on Android (you can hypothetically run them through VNC, but it's not great). Apps written for other graphical backends like OpenGL and SDL should work on Android once you get them to compile. Android apps will not run on Linux because there is no Android runtime environment for Linux. At some point I expect we'll see an open source "Android player", but nobody has done it yet (I recall Canonical working on it at one point, but I haven't heard anything about that for a while).

    4. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by TuringTest · · Score: 3, Informative

      Surely he is the first Slashdot troll? :-P

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    5. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by Nikker · · Score: 1

      You must be trolling. Of course Android supports ARM most of the devices out there are ARM now.

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    6. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm - sounds like what I have been reading about Ubuntu with Unity/HUD/Wayland ...

      RO

    7. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by Noitatsidem · · Score: 2

      I don't see ARM being mentioned in the post above?

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    8. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by nadaou · · Score: 1

      > Android apps will not run on Linux because there is no Android
      > runtime environment for Linux.At some point I expect we'll see
      > an open source "Android player", but nobody has done it yet

      seeing how simple it is to set up the Android qemu/kvm based SDK in a virtual machine on Linux, I don't know if that itch is really very scratchy.

      > Command line Linux apps will run on Android, but you will
      > usually have to recompile them if nobody else has (you can
      > cheat though, and say, run Debian in a chroot)

      please tell us more about this debian chroot solution.the idea intrigues me and I wish to subscribe to the newsletter.

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    9. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      The virtual environment works well for developers. If Android apps become something that people want to use on their desktop then the virtual machine solution doesn't work.

      Apple is confronting this now with a wealth of iOS applications that are very popular and that people would like to run on their macs.

    10. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by chrb · · Score: 4, Informative

      seeing how simple it is to set up the Android qemu/kvm based SDK in a virtual machine on Linux, I don't know if that itch is really very scratchy.

      BlueStacks got over $10m funding, so some people think it's a good idea. It should be really easy to do, too - all the source required is open and already runs on Linux/Android, it just needs porting to Linux/desktop.

      please tell us more about this debian chroot solution.

      http://www.mayrhofer.eu.org/debian-on-android http://www.saurik.com/id/10

    11. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by Nimey · · Score: 3, Informative

      There was an official contest of some sort a couple years back, and one of the prizes was getting a random abandoned low-UID account.

      Don't believe Taco ever said which account it was.

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    12. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Nobody knows everything. I would assume that android apps would work in Linux, since Android is based on Linux, but I'd have to have an Android in my hands to know for sure, or someone who did telling me to have an idea of its truth.

      Lots of MS fans at /. or I'd never be modded "flamebait" for complaining about Patch Tuesday and the monthy reboot. Perhaps he's a MS or Apple fan who's never used either Android or Linux but is finally getting curious?

    13. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that he said he had an Android tablet it seems unlikely that he's _never_ used it, no? Android's pretty unusable, but not that unusable surely.

      tl;dr you're an idiot too.

    14. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by isopropanol · · Score: 3, Informative

      Poor assumption. Do OSX applications work on BSD? No, the UI libraries are completely different. Same thing (only even deeper) comparing Android and Linux.

    15. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by afidel · · Score: 1

      Hmm, since the Android source is open you should be able to get an Android environment up and running on Linux, kind of like a chroot environment. Since Windriver has already tweak Android to run multiple windows it should be doable =)

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    16. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by Tarlus · · Score: 1

      I'll do something crazy and be a constructive Slashdotter. Whether or not parent is trolling, at least other readers can glean some information. Hopefully I'm not completely full of shit...

      "Android" is just the name of an operating system that employs the Linux kernel, the same as "Ubuntu" or "Slackware." Also like Ubuntu, it is financially supported and actively developed by a parent company. It is unique in its ground-up adaptation and optimization for battery-powered mobile architectures, as well as its display manager and development frameworks that are all designed from the ground up for low-resolution touch screens. It is also unique in its widespread use and endorsement among many hardware manufacturers.

      The implementation of Linux in the context of this Spark tablet is also tailored very much for that hardware, and that is just an inherent beauty of Linux. It is using a version of KDE that is modified to be more friendly for the touch screen, but probably not as intuitively as Android's environment. I am seeing regular K-applications in the demo for this unit which are typically mouse-and-keyboard oriented. Out of the box this tablet probably lacks the necessary libraries and whatever other software capacities may be needed to run an Android application. However, that is not impossible and in fact I would be very surprised if somebody doesn't set one of these up to be able to do so. It will probably just be unintuitive...

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    17. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by afidel · · Score: 1

      Is BlueStacks running QEMU or does it only work for the small percentage of apps not using the native SDK?

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    18. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by snadrus · · Score: 1

      Because of the library differences, not yet. But there's hope with PulseAudio growing the compatibility libraries to replace AudioFlinger. If Wayland gets off the ground sufficiently, it may replace SurfaceFlinger. The combination would allow most Linux programs to share the important hardware daemons (Video, Sound, Net). I'm not sure if V4L2 would be needed to share the cameras, etc. The thin BusyBox layer could easily be added to, so it should be possible, but hasn't happened.
      If that's too much change, JNI connections could be made to existing sharing libraries that could be extended to providing the regular library APIs.

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    19. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Android apps will not run on Linux because there is no Android runtime environment for Linux.

      Yet. :)

      There's a project called IcedRobot implementing Android compatibility atop the Java SE. Early days but eventually Android applications should run on any platform that runs Java.

      The lead, a Red Hat employee, has some clout in the OpenJDK world but progress is slow given the developers volunteer their time.

    20. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by theCoder · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are a lot of changes Google made to the Linux kernel, that while the source is available are not in the mainline. Some of those changes the kernel devs did not like, and may never be in the kernel at all. Others are slowly working their way in. This page lists the major differences in Android versus mainline.

      Because of the kernel differences, it would be difficult to run an Android environment on a mainline Linux distribution.

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    21. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 1

      Indeed. One of the reasons that the Android emulator in the SDK is so slow to start is that it is a completely emulated environment, right down to the ARM CPU.

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    22. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      The question I have is - does Plasma Active ride on Linux/BSD + X/Wayland? Or does it just run on Linux/BSD? Very specifically, does it run on just the Linux/BSD kernel, but avoid the userland altogether? It would seem to me that on top of the kernel, having QT and Plasma Active would be adequate.

    23. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by afidel · · Score: 1

      I guess a VM with transparent passthrough ala VMWare Fusion or Parallels is the best bet then =)

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    24. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the most importanr modifications were recently merged to the mainline.

    25. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by chrb · · Score: 1

      What percentage of apps use the NDK? I suspect it isn't that many, but I've never seen a figure. BlueStacks claim that they can run native Android/ARM and Android/X86 code as well as the Dalvik code, so they must be doing some form of ARM emulation at least.

    26. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      for "Android" you have a set environment in which to run Android apps.

      "Linux tablets" however.. well, a linux tablet _might_ run android apps. and linux applications built so that they'll run on it - which is the real questionmark.

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    27. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by afidel · · Score: 1

      The last time I saw stats it was around 28%, but if weighted by downloads it was significantly higher.

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    28. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      it doesn't seem to be running qemu(bluestacks).

      having tried bluestacks though, I'd recommend running android-x86 in virtualbox rather than using bluestacks at this point.

      and not that many apps use native sdk really. only the sort of apps that would have desktop replacements anyways in general - I don't think bluestacks supports ndk too well right now(or couple of weeks ago in released version..) even though the ndk has support for arm+x86 hybrid builds.

      the really hard part with using bluestacks was actually moving media onto it.

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    29. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by sjames · · Score: 1

      please tell us more about this debian chroot solution.the idea intrigues me and I wish to subscribe to the newsletter.

      It's fairly simple in concept. Android uses a Linux kernel so if you stick the Debian userspace in a directory tree on a rooted device and chroot to it, you have a Debian system. Because X won't have a display driver, you use the VNC server driver. On the Android side of the divide, you use a vnc client connecting through localhost to see it.

    30. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is now technical differences does Android application run ON Linux or IN Linux. As there is only one Linux what is monolithic operating system what everyone can download from kernel.org.

      Programs does not run IN operating system, but ON operating system, actually BY operating system.

      Android applications are using virtual machine written with Java language, they are not ran by Linux even an Android. But by virtual machine.

      So question is, can that Dalvik virtual machine be possible get run ON desktop Linux?

      Yes or No?

    31. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by Fri13 · · Score: 1

      Actually Android applications run on Linux, because Linux is as well the operating system in Android.
      As every android application is ran by Linux (Linux Dalvik Application) it can not be said they wouldn't run on Linux.
       

    32. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2

      Are you sure that four digit UID really is yours?

      See how unwelcome Slashdot has become since CmdrTaco left ?

      Why don't you guys ask Rob Malda (aka CmdrTaco) whether my four-digit UID is genuine, or not ?

      Unlike some of the latecomers who think that they know it all, old-timers like me know that we don't know a lot of things, and we are not shy to ask questions - even questions that seem to be basic to those know-it-all latecomers

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    33. Re:Difference between Android and Linux ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should and can are two different things. It can be done as there are at least two companies touting their wares of a way to run arbitrary Android apps on other OSes (one was demoed on a N900 running Maemo, the other was demoed on a device running Meego), however no-one AFAIK has done it and published how to do it, and the aforementioned companies aren't interested in selling their solutions to end-users. So although it is possible, unless you are an uber-hacker don't expect to be able to do it any time soon.

  18. Games might make it live by erroneus · · Score: 2

    I hate to sound like someone else when I say "developers, developers, developers" but if this thing shipped with Angry Birds on it, people would buy it and keep using it. Combine that with some really good navigation, and that would keep people from playing with it and dropping it in a drawer later.

    1. Re:Games might make it live by DogDude · · Score: 1

      if this thing shipped with Angry Birds on it, people would buy it and keep using it

      Was this meant as a joke...?

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    2. Re:Games might make it live by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sudoku
      Minefield
      Tic-Tac-Toe
      Checkers
      Scrabble
      Crossword Puzzles

      Firefox

      Get all of the above installed by default and you'll capture a lot of people. Hell, my mother-in-law will use it for Sudoku alone.

    3. Re:Games might make it live by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Monopoly

      Risk

      Trivia

      Chess

      Hearts

      and a few more should do the trick, along w/ Angry Birds. I wouldn't expect Firefox, though - I'd think that they'll either go w/ Konqueror or Rekonk - both QT based browsers developed specifically for KDE

  19. Know your target... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want to sell a "tablet/laptop" to the "Joe Plumber" then don't make a website/news/blog about "IT RUNS LINUX"; sell it for what it can do! Not what "YOU THE HACKER" can make it do!

    Slashdot is NOT your target customer!
    I love linux but I don't want to hack a tablet/laptop just to have what I need to do the job.
    If I need a little more than than it has installed; I can "apt-get/yum/pacman/etc" what is "outthere" in the "OSS" world.
    If that is not working then no sale!
    Good package selection to start with and good support of all other packages too.
    But we all know this don't we; why are these "it runs linux" things keep comming up on /.?

    And yes I'm buzzed. Sorry if you don't approve.

    1. Re:Know your target... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually, slashdot IS their target customer. I've been following it for a month or so, and it's aimed at developers/linux junkies/free software advocates.

    2. Re:Know your target... by unixisc · · Score: 2

      If anybody's working on a Gnome 3 tablet, /. should be their target customer. But not this one. It's done a fine job, and as some people noted above, they do need better marketing, as well as some content tie-ups so that they can also be a good tablet for books, among other things.

  20. Packaging format by thoughtspace · · Score: 1

    The Linux and Android mob really need to standardise the packaging connector location and shape. Let alone too many variants of OSes.

    1. Re:Packaging format by Robert+Zenz · · Score: 1

      I don't know what you mean, there is only one OS in that mix, Linux.

      But if you mean Distributions, then no, that doesn't need any standardization or unification by definition. I'm not sure what you mean with "packaging connector location and shape", though...

    2. Re:Packaging format by unixisc · · Score: 1

      There is only 1 Android, albeit the various versions... but all are from Google. Yeah, you have Motorola, HTC, Acer and all the other vendors who sell those things, but just like there is only 1 Windows, there is only 1 Android.

  21. Wait for Oracle to sue for trademark infringement by Chrisq · · Score: 0
    Wait for Oracle to sue for trademark infringement: 3 .... 2 ..... 1

    Actually I wouldn't blame them if the did. Who's to say that sometime in the future they won't make a low-powered SPARC processor and a tablet. Heck, with Android being GPL'd they might be the only people who have the undisputed rights to release an android tablet.

  22. important question by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

    Can it run Flash in a browser?

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    1. Re:important question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      since it uses an ARM processor you can forget about adobe flash but I suppose gnash or lighthouse or something might work... but I'd say "no".

    2. Re:important question by hobarrera · · Score: 2

      Totally wrong. The N900 runs a firefox-based browser, and ARM, and has a flash plugin out-of-the-box.
      Maybe that's usable (would need to check it's license), or maybe adobe will make one/license one for them.

      The real solution would be for adobe+flash to die once and for all! :)

    3. Re:important question by unixisc · · Score: 1

      The alternative to that would have to be HTML5, but I've found out, w/ some pilot runs on Youtube, that if you have a crappy connection for which a download is interrupted, under HTML5, the video doesn't re-download, unless and until you empty the download history or the cache. Not a problem I've seen w/ Flash. So until they can fix this issue, I see unqualified adoption of HTML5 as a retrogade step.

    4. Re:important question by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      This isn't a bug in HTML5 per se, but rather in the browser's implementation. The browsers shouldn't fail to re-download if the last attempt was interrupted; it should behave as it would if this were a normal website, or image.

  23. linux confusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it Android or Linux. Some people mean the same with those, some don't.
    A GNU/LINUX tablet, that's what we want.

    1. Re:linux confusion by unixisc · · Score: 1

      If what you want to run is Emacs, why use tablets in the first place? Just go w/ netbooks.

  24. god. by unity100 · · Score: 1

    cheap Chinese tablet, with plastic screen and low specs

    why that fixation to have hard, heavy metal casings on handheld devices ? isnt it stupid to haul around something heavy ? or, 'shiny' is more important than 'light' for you ?

    1. Re:god. by bjwest · · Score: 2

      cheap Chinese tablet, with plastic screen and low specs

      why that fixation to have hard, heavy metal casings on handheld devices ? isnt it stupid to haul around something heavy ? or, 'shiny' is more important than 'light' for you ?

      I think it's more of a durability thing, being hand held and all. I'd rather not have my $300 + toy shatter the first time I drop it.

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  25. Sparc Linux! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    64 Cores on my cellie? I'm there!

    1. Re:Sparc Linux! by disi · · Score: 1

      I had the same idea at first :D

    2. Re:Sparc Linux! by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Yeah, if it was a SPARC tablet, I might actually buy it. I miss my old SPARCstation... /sniff

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  26. emerge details... by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

    ...but does it run Gentoo?

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  27. Raises the question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But does it run Windows?

  28. I only have one question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much?

    1. Re:I only have one question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, there is a price. Let me rephrase that question:

      Will you please take my money?

  29. The price is right, but needs support by Mithent · · Score: 1

    A single-core 1GHz Cortex A9 and 512MB RAM isn't cutting edge these days, but the price is low. I guess it's in the Kindle Fire bracket, and judging by that device's success, that might be no bad thing - if it's well-promoted and has a strong selection of software easily available. It could fall down on both of those counts, though... we'll see!

  30. Re:Wait for Oracle to sue for trademark infringeme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do people really name tablets after the processors?

  31. Re:Wait for Oracle to sue for trademark infringeme by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    Do people really name tablets after the processors?

    Possibly not, but it could be a generically used term, like people say "arm tablet", or more unusually "atom tablet".

  32. Why not, it's a sh*tty product by Barbara,+not+Barbie · · Score: 2
    Take an obsolete $120 Zenithink C71, root it, install a badly done KDE here's a video - note that the demo is done on a 14" screen, not a 7" screen, and even then, the buttons on the top menu bar don't always work, and double the price.

    Go to 2:06 of the video and freeze it - you'll see that the demo is completely fake - that is NOT a 7" screen.

    So, what you see is NOT what you'll get. It's not running on the same hardware, it's not anywhere near the same resolution - and yet nowhere is this mentioned.

    The idea that this is ever going to sell is insane. Then again, the guy's in Calgary - perhaps he's experiencing a brain freeze?

    So, you have a choice - order this PoS for $260 this summer, or order a quad-core with better battery life and more features for the same price. Gee, that's a no-brainer.

    What next, som idiot installing freeDOS on a tablet and asking for 3x the price (a freeDOS tablet for $100 would actually make more sense, because there IS a market for people who would like to be able to play those old games in a convenient form factor).

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  33. Apps, schmapps. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    The price of the tablet itself is what holds me back. $265 USD seems pricey with a 1 ghz CPU, only 500 meg of ram, and only 4 Gb of internal storage and no keyboard. That's ten bucks more than an Acer Aspire One that has almost twice the CPU speed, twice the memory, and sixty two times the drive space. Oh, and the Acer has one more USB port, a network port, a monitor port, and not only audio output like the tablet but input as well. What makes the touchscreen so damned expensive? This thing should be at least a hundred bucks cheaper.

    I'd buy one if I didn't think I was being robbed.

  34. That didn't make a lick of sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What, exactly, is demonstrated as being evidence of X11 as a "dinosaur laden down with stuff that most desktops work around or abstract away"?

    I mean, there's nothing there.

    1. Re:That didn't make a lick of sense. by DrXym · · Score: 1
      I just cited examples. Cairo is used for drawing because the drawing primitives in X11 are so godawful that they are dead code. Similarly fonts in X11 are so arcane so apps use Truetype. And GTK sits on all of this providing another layer of abstraction.

      Large chunks of X11 do nothing at all in a modern desktop. Most apps are drawing directly into surfaces managed by a compositor so the main purpose X11 serves is to listen for mouse and keyboard input and call extensions when the screen needs to be recomposited. It's more of an impediment and a bottleneck these days causing extra context switches and hoops to jump through which is why there is major interest in dumping it altogether for Wayland.

    2. Re:That didn't make a lick of sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait a minute, so the X server does:
      - handle input events
      - blit in rectangular frames ("windows")

      I'd say that's exactly what it's supposed to do in the first place. Is has to be a "bottleneck" (where everyone goes through) but someone has to do it... and it can't be the application itself since both the input devices and the screen are shared devices (either locally or over the network)

    3. Re:That didn't make a lick of sense. by DrXym · · Score: 1
      X11 doesn't blit anything these days. It is just the hoop that has to be jumped through when the screen needs recompositing. Virtually every app renders itself into a surface via GTK / QT so all that framework does is call the damage / compositing extension to flip buffers.

      As for input events hacks have to be employed there too. X11 sees the world as a series of 2D bounding boxes and conveys messages relative to those boxes. Which isn't a whole lot of good in a compositing desktop where windows might scaled, thumbnailed, even rotated or tilted. All that stuff in X11 related to fonts, drawing, damage is obsolete in a modern desktop.

      So it's a bottleneck. An arcane set of APIs running in their own process space representing an extra context when most of the actual work is then done in other processes. Cutting it out of the loop completely would make the desktop experience a lot smoother and responsive than it is right now. It also doesn't stop X11 running on top of something like Wayland and it could probably done transparently too with X11 being loaded up when something hits the local display device.

  35. Buy it to show your support of OSS by HWguy · · Score: 1

    I see devices like this as a way for those who say they value the philosophy Linux represents to put their money where their mouth is. I'm pretty OS agnostic but I'm going to buy one. I like the idea of having a little self-contained Linux box that I can hack -- and via the USB ports and hopefully some internal TTL-level serial port - turn into all manner of cool controller and interface. It seems like a great tool for a hacker.

  36. Chrome app? by phorm · · Score: 1

    Isn't angry birds available as an app on Chrome? I haven't installed it myself but don't see why that wouldn't work.

  37. Yawn. Another underpowered Linux device by msobkow · · Score: 2

    I've tried to run recent versions of Linux on comparably powered and configured Intel hardware.

    The experience SUCKS. You can't play video without it going choppy (especially not full-screen Flash videos or YouTube content.) The UI takes a quarter to half second to respond if you've got anything USEFUL running on the system. You can hear the hard drive grinding away as the system swaps and thrashes trying to do anything with a mere 512MB of RAM to play with.

    Piece of crap, in my books, and late to market. You can already buy more powerful tablets that have better brand recognition and market share.

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  38. Re:Yawn. Another underpowered Linux device by Microlith · · Score: 1

    Piece of crap, in my books, and late to market. You can already buy more powerful tablets that have better brand recognition and market share.

    But can I get one with the software I want on it? No. They all run Android or iOS. And more than a few of them come locked down from the start.

  39. Did anyone else misread the headline? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I totally read the headline as saying that there's going to be a Linux tablet that uses a Sparc processor, then I read that it's just another ARM tab.

  40. Re:Yawn. Another underpowered Linux device by msobkow · · Score: 1

    What's the point of having software choice when I already know the thing is too underpowered to be useful to me?

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  41. Re:Yawn. Another underpowered Linux device by msobkow · · Score: 1

    And aside from that, installing Linux on a laptop is a breeze. I can't think of any reason most tablets shouldn't be as easy to install, if there are any standards for touch screens, that is.

    Besides, ever hear of "jailbreaking"? You know, the way that MOST techies get around the BS software install locks on systems so they can get rid of the crapware and install useful stuff instead?

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  42. Re:Yawn. Another underpowered Linux device by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

    I'd wait until Medfield tablets come out. Those should be easy to get whatever Linux distro you want running on them, powerful enough, yet with decent battery life.

  43. Article says $265 but you can buy for $138 by adisakp · · Score: 1

    The Article says the tablet will be about $265 with Linux but you can buy the same tablet right now for $138.89. Why not just save half the $$$ and install Linux yourself on it?

  44. Re:Yawn. Another underpowered Linux device by CAPSLOCK2000 · · Score: 1

    It has not always been like that. For many years installing Linux on a laptop was painfull because laptops used a lot of non-standard hardware. Right now tablets are in the same boat. There are many suppliers and manufacturers take all kinds of shortcuts, using anything they can get away with. As they have total control over both hardware and software there is no incentive to use standards. That will come in a few years when the current startups realize they need to support and maintain their old hardware.