I've seen 8 or more attempts in rapid-fire succession from different IP addresses all trying to deliver the same piece of spam after mail server refused the mail each time with a message stating that spam/UCE is not permitted at my domain. How many times must it say 'no'? How many days in a row must it tell any given spammer that we don't want their spam?
You can tell a drone bot that as many times as you like. It's not going to care.
If someone knocks on your door dressed as a furnace repair man, how can it be called assault and battery if they come in and club you?
Ummm. You get clubbed. I have yet to find spam with weapons that will cause harm to a person. Someone physically assulting you is a crime. Comparing this to spam is silly.
That's the problem with spam. It pretends to be something that it is not in order to sneak its way into your mail server. It misidentifies the sender. It uses misspellings in the subject and body to evade filters meant to stop it. It often has misleading subject lines to make it appear to be a message from a friend or a company that you do business with.
Last time I checked, spam was email. It's not pretending to be anything. It's email. It's not like it's a web server pretending to be email. You are getting email - the content of that email doesn't make it any different. As for filter shortcomings, maybe you should change your filters if it's not working for you.
I have used that very argument. But there's the key difference: There are simple, documented means to reject unwanted WiFi connections. There is no check-box on mail servers saying "do not accept spam." With WiFi, many people and organizations choose to make it freely available, so it's not unreasonable to assume that an open WiFi connection is intended for public use. Given the almost universal hatred of spam, it would be absurd to believe that it was welcome at any mail server that accepted it.
These two are again *soooo* far different than to draw parallels. Yes, you can lock down a WiFi access point, and you can also lock down a mail server. Lack of knowledge in either case is a problem here, not the lack of option.
I reject your reality, and substitute it with my own.
Spam is a fact of life. It won't go away, it won't decrease. This is one of those wonderful "won't somebody please think of the children!" that people scorn so much on slashdot.
If your ISP has to buy more mail servers, the maybe they didn't do their maths correctly in the first place. Maybe they're not enforcing local policies clearly enough. Maybe they should have just thought of it all back when they designed their setup. It's easy to blame spammers, but reality shows that people just didn't think.
Stolen bandwidth? Stolen storage? Where was it taken? To say that it's stolen implies that somebody has been deprived of something. Sure, they may have less free space, but the capacity is still there - so nothing has been stolen. If you're running out of bandwidth/storage, then maybe you should have planned your business better and taken into account these things instead of counting on a bare minimum to survive.
However, for normal users, using normal power WiFi equipment, transmitting with one of these cantennas is illegal. Possession isn't, but transmitting is. The FCC regulations limit the amount of power you can transmit with, and it's based either on effective radiated power or volts/meter. Either way, any sort of directional antenna (like a cantenna) increases these figures without increasing the total power, and therefore exceed the FCC permitted power (unless they reduce their transmitter power by a similar amount, of course. Which they probably don't do.)
This really depends on the laws of your country. In Australia, we are allowed 4W EIRP. With your standard pringles can, you're not going to get 20+dB gain to actually exceed 4W EIRP. In this case, you won't get done for exceeding emissions.
The only way you would get a pringles can over the EIRP limit is to strap an amp on the back - and even then, it's nothing to do with the police, that belongs with the ACMA (the Australian version of the FCC)
I'm amazed that with this being slashdot and all, people still don't have a clue on energy consumption of PCs...
Just because you have a 580W PSU, you will not draw 580W out of the wall outlet. I could have a 2kW power supply in my PC, but it's not going to draw 2kW from the power point.
Your PC will only take as much as it requires. It may be that you are only using 150W out of your 580W power supply. The rest, is just spare capacity.
I don't get this logic. You make it sound like it's the film makers' responsibility to make you entertained. I know it's a gamble when buying consumables, but watching trailers and reading reviews help much in deciding if it's worth it.
Wait a sec... Yes it is their responsibility to make entertain me while I'm watching their product. That's why it's called entertainment. If they didn't keep you entertained, then the creator hasn't done a good job. I watched the full thing (well, part of it, before the DVD got melted for a higher entertainment value), not a trailer... and I'm damn happy I got more entertainment from watching the DVD burn!:)
Personally, I've never been a fan of Star Wars, so when I happened to come across a copy I grabbed it to take a peek. I also had a friend with me that enjoys watching Star Wars.
Interestingly enough, after the first 30 minutes, the disc got ejected, and we went back to what we were doing. My friend hoped that this was a fake, and put out as a 'decoy' as such - because the movie is just crap.
I've seen better B grade movies that this hunk of junk, and if I had gone to the movies to see it, I would have been *very* disappointed.
I say thanks to the people that released this movie! They have saved me the disappointment of going to see it. I also showed it to my folks, who watched the whole thing with a stunned disbelief, and then threw the burnt DVD into the trash.
Yes, I guess pirated movies do cost the authors something - because if we hadn't have seen it and realised how crap it was, all four of us would had paid money, and been very disappointed.
I love the fact that people get all worried about Credit Card fraud... Anyone would think that it's your personal money involved. It's the banks, not yours.
If you actually read the details of your credit card, you'll probably find that you are only liable for x of the fraud anyhow... In my case, it's 10% of the total to a max of $50.
Go ahead, scam my details - put your ass on the line. Waste all the banks money you like. You spend $3000, the most it costs me is $50. And you can bet you'll have the bank hunting you for the balance for a number of years.
On the other hand, this income from the patent can be used to decrease the running cost of the organisation to the Australian tax payer.
If a government department has used my taxes to invent this, and can make enough to partyky run itself from the income, meaning *more* of my taxes aren't spent keeping the organisation running, I say that's great!
It's when they use all my taxes and get nothing out of it that I get more annoyed!
What about if you've ordered a mac mini 3 weeks ago, but are still waiting for the order to complete - which is aparently going to be in another 4 weeks time?
I ordered it on 22/3 but delivery isn't supposed to be until around 9/5...
I would really hope it comes with Tiger, but would be happy if someone could confirm this:)
Sadly, this is the story of most OSS developers too:|
Are you listening Gnome dudes?
Bottom line, if you have an attitude like that, then there is no way in hell linux will make it to the desktop for the mass-market. This isn't rocket science, but a lot of people just don't see the big picture...
Damn it! how lame. The guy didn't even use a proper power supply - but used an invertor to get mains power. whoopie-fucking-do.
Anything can run off mains power, and if you use an invertor in the car, you can run anything off it. Call me when a native power supply works correctly with this stuff directly from 12v.
My CarPC has a direct 12v -> ATX 250w PSU - none of this lossy 12vdc -> 240vAC -> 12/5v dc crap...
Only problem is that these PSUs don't deal with 'sleep' too well - and will keep a constant drain on the battery - unless you want to completely close down your PC each time you stop the car.
Hibernate works ok on Windows, however the mini mac's sleep mode does not power the system down. If you can maintain ~800mA max drain on your battery forever, then this might not be an issue - but if you can't, you'll get stuck really quickly.
I currently run a Celeron 2.4Ghz with 512Mb dial channel DDR ram, Radeon 9200 and a 7" touchscreen in the car - and yes, I use a full size desktop hard drive. These babies are tougher than people think. I've had a car written off with the PC in the back still operating. Only thing that happened was that the CPU fan popped off it's clips.
I say again, don't stress too much about normal 3.5" HDDs in a car...
Industrial PCs have been doing this for years... I have one at home sitting in a 4RU case.
Inside the case is 2 x Celeron 366 systems. The CPU sits on a PCI card, has it's own RAM and 3-4 PCI/ISA slots dedicated to that CPU card. The 'mainboard' is basically a PCB with PCI & ISA slots on it. The PSU plugs into the mainboard, and both PCs run side by side in the one case.
Handy to have 2 PCs for different OSs inside the same case, but getting kind of aged now. Don't know if they make these things for new CPUs, but it wouldn't suprise me...
I dunno, but that sounds like typical terms of service for something like Instant Messenger, and doesn't sound very surprising or new at all. Granted, I haven't thoroughly read their ToS before... They're supposedly used so that they can distribute your messages (IMs) without any possibility of "infringement," but who knows?
MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger already have the same clause... Microsoft can use anything you send over MSN anytime for anything they want... Just because AOL is now doing it, doesn't exactly make it new...
Well, after picking through the code, compiling, nmap'ing, and landing, I'm yet to notice what the hell it's supposed to do to WinXP... No firewall enabled, and ran it on an open port, and nothing happens...
# nmap 10.1.1.2 Starting nmap 3.48 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2005-03-08 17:26 EST Interesting ports on 10.1.1.2: (The 1654 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) PORT STATE SERVICE 135/tcp open msrpc 445/tcp open microsoft-ds 3389/tcp open ms-term-serv
Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 2.610 seconds #./land 10.1.1.2 3389 land.c by m3lt, FLC 10.1.1.2:3389 landed #
I can agree 100% with this. Working for a corporate ISP helpdesk, I get around 5-10 of these calls per week where NAV has hosed the users email client.
Interestingly enough, after having customers tell me that I have no idea what I'm doing, uninstalling NAV will always fix their problem.
I'm sick of explaining to customers with broken email how bad NAV/NIS is, and yet some people still swear by it. Symantec deserve this one... it's karma in action.
I think parent was talking about their own geography.
Exactly. If you can't even identify which part of a country you've spent 17+ years of your life living in, then how the hell are you going to get any respect from the rest of the world...
I live in Australia, and I know we have 8 states (actually 6 states and 2 territories) but I can at least name them, and point to where I live!
I think I'd have a better chance of guessing some of the US states than people that were in his class - and I've only ever visited the US once.
What is going to be the attitude towards the rest of the world from these guys who don't even know where they are? This is one of the many reasons a lot of people *really* dislike America.
I find that hard to believe. My son id six, and his clase can name the state they are in and surronding states. I would wager in a few years he will be able to name most, if not all the states.
I should actually clarify - this was in high school - so they'd be about 17-18 years old... Not sure if the Americans use the term High School for that age, but it's what I've seen used in both the UK and Australia, so I guess it fits:)
if they want it this way then let the Russians build thier own space station. America the powerful can do without others since the USA is the greatest nation ever to exist on the face of the planet.
All naysayers can get stuffed!
And people wonder why planes crash into buildings with attitudes like this:\
It would be interesting to see how many people in the US could actually find Russia on the world map. I've been told of a friends days at school in the US where a number of people could only name 4-5 states in America - one couldn't even find the state he lived in!
To the rest of the world, it seems like "America - home of the brave.... and the stupid."
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Dude, you're on a roll today.
I've seen 8 or more attempts in rapid-fire succession from different IP addresses all trying to deliver the same piece of spam after mail server refused the mail each time with a message stating that spam/UCE is not permitted at my domain. How many times must it say 'no'? How many days in a row must it tell any given spammer that we don't want their spam?
You can tell a drone bot that as many times as you like. It's not going to care.
If someone knocks on your door dressed as a furnace repair man, how can it be called assault and battery if they come in and club you?
Ummm. You get clubbed. I have yet to find spam with weapons that will cause harm to a person. Someone physically assulting you is a crime. Comparing this to spam is silly.
That's the problem with spam. It pretends to be something that it is not in order to sneak its way into your mail server. It misidentifies the sender. It uses misspellings in the subject and body to evade filters meant to stop it. It often has misleading subject lines to make it appear to be a message from a friend or a company that you do business with.
Last time I checked, spam was email. It's not pretending to be anything. It's email. It's not like it's a web server pretending to be email. You are getting email - the content of that email doesn't make it any different. As for filter shortcomings, maybe you should change your filters if it's not working for you.
I have used that very argument. But there's the key difference: There are simple, documented means to reject unwanted WiFi connections. There is no check-box on mail servers saying "do not accept spam." With WiFi, many people and organizations choose to make it freely available, so it's not unreasonable to assume that an open WiFi connection is intended for public use. Given the almost universal hatred of spam, it would be absurd to believe that it was welcome at any mail server that accepted it.
These two are again *soooo* far different than to draw parallels. Yes, you can lock down a WiFi access point, and you can also lock down a mail server. Lack of knowledge in either case is a problem here, not the lack of option.
I reject your reality, and substitute it with my own.
Spam is a fact of life. It won't go away, it won't decrease. This is one of those wonderful "won't somebody please think of the children!" that people scorn so much on slashdot.
If your ISP has to buy more mail servers, the maybe they didn't do their maths correctly in the first place. Maybe they're not enforcing local policies clearly enough. Maybe they should have just thought of it all back when they designed their setup. It's easy to blame spammers, but reality shows that people just didn't think.
Stolen bandwidth? Stolen storage? Where was it taken? To say that it's stolen implies that somebody has been deprived of something. Sure, they may have less free space, but the capacity is still there - so nothing has been stolen. If you're running out of bandwidth/storage, then maybe you should have planned your business better and taken into account these things instead of counting on a bare minimum to survive.
However, for normal users, using normal power WiFi equipment, transmitting with one of these cantennas is illegal. Possession isn't, but transmitting is. The FCC regulations limit the amount of power you can transmit with, and it's based either on effective radiated power or volts/meter. Either way, any sort of directional antenna (like a cantenna) increases these figures without increasing the total power, and therefore exceed the FCC permitted power (unless they reduce their transmitter power by a similar amount, of course. Which they probably don't do.)
This really depends on the laws of your country. In Australia, we are allowed 4W EIRP. With your standard pringles can, you're not going to get 20+dB gain to actually exceed 4W EIRP. In this case, you won't get done for exceeding emissions.
The only way you would get a pringles can over the EIRP limit is to strap an amp on the back - and even then, it's nothing to do with the police, that belongs with the ACMA (the Australian version of the FCC)
UWB (Ultra Wide Band) by any other name... It already got shot down once. Now it's rebranded and trying again. It shall get shot down again.
I'm amazed that with this being slashdot and all, people still don't have a clue on energy consumption of PCs...
Just because you have a 580W PSU, you will not draw 580W out of the wall outlet. I could have a 2kW power supply in my PC, but it's not going to draw 2kW from the power point.
Your PC will only take as much as it requires. It may be that you are only using 150W out of your 580W power supply. The rest, is just spare capacity.
Is it really that hard to understand?
I don't get this logic. You make it sound like it's the film makers' responsibility to make you entertained. I know it's a gamble when buying consumables, but watching trailers and reading reviews help much in deciding if it's worth it.
:)
Wait a sec... Yes it is their responsibility to make entertain me while I'm watching their product. That's why it's called entertainment. If they didn't keep you entertained, then the creator hasn't done a good job. I watched the full thing (well, part of it, before the DVD got melted for a higher entertainment value), not a trailer... and I'm damn happy I got more entertainment from watching the DVD burn!
Personally, I've never been a fan of Star Wars, so when I happened to come across a copy I grabbed it to take a peek. I also had a friend with me that enjoys watching Star Wars.
Interestingly enough, after the first 30 minutes, the disc got ejected, and we went back to what we were doing. My friend hoped that this was a fake, and put out as a 'decoy' as such - because the movie is just crap.
I've seen better B grade movies that this hunk of junk, and if I had gone to the movies to see it, I would have been *very* disappointed.
I say thanks to the people that released this movie! They have saved me the disappointment of going to see it. I also showed it to my folks, who watched the whole thing with a stunned disbelief, and then threw the burnt DVD into the trash.
Yes, I guess pirated movies do cost the authors something - because if we hadn't have seen it and realised how crap it was, all four of us would had paid money, and been very disappointed.
I love the fact that people get all worried about Credit Card fraud... Anyone would think that it's your personal money involved. It's the banks, not yours.
If you actually read the details of your credit card, you'll probably find that you are only liable for x of the fraud anyhow... In my case, it's 10% of the total to a max of $50.
Go ahead, scam my details - put your ass on the line. Waste all the banks money you like. You spend $3000, the most it costs me is $50. And you can bet you'll have the bank hunting you for the balance for a number of years.
On the other hand, this income from the patent can be used to decrease the running cost of the organisation to the Australian tax payer.
If a government department has used my taxes to invent this, and can make enough to partyky run itself from the income, meaning *more* of my taxes aren't spent keeping the organisation running, I say that's great!
It's when they use all my taxes and get nothing out of it that I get more annoyed!
"How do you handle these 3rd-party security people who make mountains out of every molehill?"
Easy. Cattle-prod.
What about if you've ordered a mac mini 3 weeks ago, but are still waiting for the order to complete - which is aparently going to be in another 4 weeks time?
:)
I ordered it on 22/3 but delivery isn't supposed to be until around 9/5...
I would really hope it comes with Tiger, but would be happy if someone could confirm this
Am I the only one who reads this as basically saying that Debian has been left behind because it has become stale?
Sadly, this is the story of most OSS developers too :|
Are you listening Gnome dudes?
Bottom line, if you have an attitude like that, then there is no way in hell linux will make it to the desktop for the mass-market. This isn't rocket science, but a lot of people just don't see the big picture...
Damn it! how lame. The guy didn't even use a proper power supply - but used an invertor to get mains power. whoopie-fucking-do.
Anything can run off mains power, and if you use an invertor in the car, you can run anything off it. Call me when a native power supply works correctly with this stuff directly from 12v.
My CarPC has a direct 12v -> ATX 250w PSU - none of this lossy 12vdc -> 240vAC -> 12/5v dc crap...
Only problem is that these PSUs don't deal with 'sleep' too well - and will keep a constant drain on the battery - unless you want to completely close down your PC each time you stop the car.
Hibernate works ok on Windows, however the mini mac's sleep mode does not power the system down. If you can maintain ~800mA max drain on your battery forever, then this might not be an issue - but if you can't, you'll get stuck really quickly.
I currently run a Celeron 2.4Ghz with 512Mb dial channel DDR ram, Radeon 9200 and a 7" touchscreen in the car - and yes, I use a full size desktop hard drive. These babies are tougher than people think. I've had a car written off with the PC in the back still operating. Only thing that happened was that the CPU fan popped off it's clips.
I say again, don't stress too much about normal 3.5" HDDs in a car...
Industrial PCs have been doing this for years... I have one at home sitting in a 4RU case.
Inside the case is 2 x Celeron 366 systems. The CPU sits on a PCI card, has it's own RAM and 3-4 PCI/ISA slots dedicated to that CPU card. The 'mainboard' is basically a PCB with PCI & ISA slots on it. The PSU plugs into the mainboard, and both PCs run side by side in the one case.
Handy to have 2 PCs for different OSs inside the same case, but getting kind of aged now. Don't know if they make these things for new CPUs, but it wouldn't suprise me...
I dunno, but that sounds like typical terms of service for something like Instant Messenger, and doesn't sound very surprising or new at all. Granted, I haven't thoroughly read their ToS before... They're supposedly used so that they can distribute your messages (IMs) without any possibility of "infringement," but who knows?
MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger already have the same clause... Microsoft can use anything you send over MSN anytime for anything they want... Just because AOL is now doing it, doesn't exactly make it new...
Well, after picking through the code, compiling, nmap'ing, and landing, I'm yet to notice what the hell it's supposed to do to WinXP... No firewall enabled, and ran it on an open port, and nothing happens...
./land 10.1.1.2 3389
:\
# nmap 10.1.1.2
Starting nmap 3.48 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2005-03-08 17:26 EST
Interesting ports on 10.1.1.2:
(The 1654 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed)
PORT STATE SERVICE
135/tcp open msrpc
445/tcp open microsoft-ds
3389/tcp open ms-term-serv
Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 2.610 seconds
#
land.c by m3lt, FLC
10.1.1.2:3389 landed
#
Wow. This must be one huge hole
Too bad they're a shit card, plagued with echo problems, low volume, faulty hangup detection, and many, many annoying issues.
Oh well, you get what you pay for I guess...
And don't forget BBC World Service...
I listen to that broadcast from Australia, and it's a great outlet for real views.
"They discuss, amongst other things, what it's like competing with Microsoft, and Firefox as an operating system."
Wow. I didn't think Firefox had reached the functionality of emacs yet...
I can agree 100% with this. Working for a corporate ISP helpdesk, I get around 5-10 of these calls per week where NAV has hosed the users email client.
Interestingly enough, after having customers tell me that I have no idea what I'm doing, uninstalling NAV will always fix their problem.
I'm sick of explaining to customers with broken email how bad NAV/NIS is, and yet some people still swear by it. Symantec deserve this one... it's karma in action.
I think parent was talking about their own geography.
Exactly. If you can't even identify which part of a country you've spent 17+ years of your life living in, then how the hell are you going to get any respect from the rest of the world...
I live in Australia, and I know we have 8 states (actually 6 states and 2 territories) but I can at least name them, and point to where I live!
I think I'd have a better chance of guessing some of the US states than people that were in his class - and I've only ever visited the US once.
What is going to be the attitude towards the rest of the world from these guys who don't even know where they are? This is one of the many reasons a lot of people *really* dislike America.
I find that hard to believe. My son id six, and his clase can name the state they are in and surronding states. I would wager in a few years he will be able to name most, if not all the states.
:)
I should actually clarify - this was in high school - so they'd be about 17-18 years old... Not sure if the Americans use the term High School for that age, but it's what I've seen used in both the UK and Australia, so I guess it fits
if they want it this way then let the Russians build thier own space station. America the powerful can do without others since the USA is the greatest nation ever to exist on the face of the planet.
:\
All naysayers can get stuffed!
And people wonder why planes crash into buildings with attitudes like this
It would be interesting to see how many people in the US could actually find Russia on the world map. I've been told of a friends days at school in the US where a number of people could only name 4-5 states in America - one couldn't even find the state he lived in!
To the rest of the world, it seems like "America - home of the brave.... and the stupid."