ohh this good work that is done by so many good energy industry workers is a good argument just to give up any control and let them do what they and their bosses please and any attempt to even discuss the problems that fraking in this case bring to life means you are a commie and a science hating asshole. Well done.
I have a problem with all the BS that comes out of green movement frequently enouff but I also have problems with people like you who out of the fact that we need energy deduce that we shall allow gas industry in this case do what they want because - yes because of what? If nobody complained they would have been dumping polluted water into rivers as they did because it is cheaper that way.
why - they had many ways to have fun that are illegal today and if you chose career in proper place you could force people to spell as you wanted them to do at least if they could write that is.
from certain perspective people are a homogeneous mass of ignorants and you spelled homogeneous wrong (not that I care - we all understood did we not?)
not that I am an expert but since when people speak and write as grammar of the language they use (mother or otherwise) allows ? That is the way language develops - people make changes to existing grammar and words introducing and changing things accidentally or not - some of this stuff sticks around for longer and is more popular some less, some of the stuff sticks around for so long that it gets into the official rules books. So maybe GP got confused or tried too hard but an odd chance may be that his phrases are replicas of some drunken poster of middle ages slashdot?
.. The equivalent would be people from, say, the UK, calling themselves "European" in exclusion of everybody else in the same continent....
The sentence should read: The equivalent would be people from, say, France, calling themselves "European" in exclusion of everybody else in the same continent and it would fit reality especially as people in UK have such deep feeling for Europe that they digged a bloody moat between them and the rest of continent. I think they use term 'english channel' for it and silly enough they built a tunnel underneath - not sure what for - I mean they do not know much about trains anyway as the history of the eurostar proves every other winter....
You do realize of course that major cause of vomiting in human population is noro virus and it takes approx 2 days to develop the vomiting symptoms so your sickness may be relate to e.g. traveling on a bus where sick person left some traces of its sickness - not much is needed to do that - sick person may be weak enough not to be able to wash hands properly or aerosols created by flushing toilet used by sick person etc - there are many possible vectors. Not that I do not support your quest against golden arch.
I suppose you are right in most of these things. The humans do piss poor job at anything they touch so why this should be different. One must of course allow for mistakes being made - the thalidomide you mentioned is one o those - the interesting part is that this drug is successfully used to cure leprosy. This all may be considered but there is one interesting aspect of that. Quite frankly I do not care GM or not but I want the following to be true:
there must be choice for farmers - search for Linda potato and Germany if you want to know what I mean, the legal cases where monsanto wins against farmers that had fields polluted with their crops unintentionally must stop. This includes also allowances for making the old species survive and be available commercially
there must be a choice for customers - the simple label will suffice. It allows people to make choice however unreasonable and uneducated that may be.
Current practice however is that labels are not done out of fear that people stop buying and farmers are put under pressure legally and practically (pollution with GM seeds, availability of old species for commercial production etc). To me it means that however GM crops are - fuck it I will not buy (consciously i.e. if I know) products based on them out of principle. Play fair and be handled fair - that is obviously asking for too much. I suppose I am a commie, luddite and secret agent of EAAAFF (European Assholes Association Against Frankenstein Foods - I am sick and tired of three letters abbreviations).
to use 'seeds' from 20ya may not be legally possible - search Germany, Linda and potato to find out how that works. It is very much related to GMO as to any other cross-bred stuff these days - being industrial potato farmer means you rely on handlers to provide you seeds - this limits your chances. If license is withdrawn you cannot use the particular plant type commercially. You cannot go back to non-licensed seed either as it is not available. These situations happen in real world and to ignore them is evil - this is more dangerous to farmers than anything else.
merits and possible risks of GM crops include not only the health and safety issues but also the results on the economy and farmers - having all IP 'protected' means that if you are a farmer you have to pay. In some places this is not as voluntary as it is imagined by proponents of so called free market. The actual benefits should also be evaluated - mono-cultures that are created by industry produced seed is an ideal spreading ground for adapted agents doing evil things to the plants themselves as these agents i.e. bacteria, fungi and insects adapt faster than monsanto can gather royalties for their produce. One thing is right - people that are so loudly outraged by GM crops usually completely miss the point why actual monopoly (thanx IP laws etc) on seed is evil for instance.
the book in question is about utopia nothing less and nothing more.
As somebody mentioned Spanish anarchists during civil war and how they were 'organized' - we all know how that ended or?
Not that I mind but by saying 'that is how market operates' you have given up any control you may have gotten out to 'market' w/o even thinking about consequences and there may be some. Market is not an instance of anything - it is just a way we describe how all agents interact, for simplicity we call it market. The closest that you may come to so called free market is probably Somalia and I suppose you would not like to have that or? So you have some 'non free market' interactions by organized public, legal system (laws, courts etc), financial agents (owners like Murdoch) etc. By saying - market will fix it you give this little that you have of control mostly to financial agents. Now the question may arise whether it makes sense to worry as this control that you have given up was worthless anyway because you had very little of it or because the thing to control was worthless. That however is another issue and maybe one that should be discussed instead. Simple saying like some others here they are all corrupt anyway is silly - after all (mandatory car analogy coming your way) you protect your car from theft not because such protection is 100% but because it makes the life of a thief more difficult. choice is yours. I made my own too - I buy newspapers on saturday only (and sometimes on thu - there is one regional newspaper that comes on thu but it is not glossy shit the glossy magazines are so I guess eventually I am on your 'side' but not because I let the 'market' make a decision but rather because I believe there are still means of doing a journalist job properly and in a way that is acceptable (price, depth & time&space availability) for me as a citizen.
so all the costs to ensure safe return of the ship back home is only to ensure life is not lost and not to ensure that billions invested actually achieve something instead of watching (or not depending of point of reentry) billions costing fireworks? This makes me think that excel & power point are the most dangerous tools in the world - allowing morons to produce calculations 'proving' things and then presenting them in a nice way - the common sense or services or reason are not needed to do that. Hoopla hoop and here goes anther 'scientific discovery'.
the good thing about that is that they show to everybody what bunch of fucks they are. The bad thing about this is that this hardly matters. It is as with kids - if t hey ask seemingly innocent question long enough they get an agreement not because we really agree but because we are tired of being asked the same question all t he time. The other problem there is that this is complex matter that does not affect lives directly so there is no majority that would go to EU Parliament with sticks and ropes to hand those assholes. I'd say - hang them all as they do not understand.
seems like you have half way (that is already a good sign) reasonable approach to this. I cannot understand why a law has to be written on thaousands of pages - seems to be a system thing. Germans here have the same sickness - they even have an act of law to simplify acts of law so that acts of law can get all tidy:) Not sure if this is because our political and law system has been fucked up by occupying forces (US apparently designed big part f it) or it is original German idea - maybe combination of those? Still I believe we do not have an act of law spanning over 1000pages (I hope at least).
that GP recognizes the difference between right to free speech and right to remain anonymous is a sign s/he is an educated person with some analytic skills. You post shows the opposite qualities - not only you attack GP's right to use whatever name he wants but you ignore the fact that using a particular (self chosen or not) name in certain context and in a consistent way has nothing to do with anonymity that you imply with your post. In fact every time you address GP by his userid on this side we will know who do you mean so what is problem do you have here?
Och so iDecade is gone we have now sDecade or at least sPost? Just wonder what this 's' stands for - different ideas come to mind here, some more appealing t han others.....
there are tradeoffs with every choice. If you work on an application where the 10% gain on one parameter is worth 20% loss on other(s) then you chose this one. That is something that 'partiuclar programming language' nazis hardly comprehend. In most of the cases that 10% speed increase does not matter but it does matter if you can read your code easilly. Majority designers are just lame - does not matter in what language. For masters of the trade there are differences but they are not comprehensible for us mortals. Then there are people like Linus who do not see the point of the whole discussion - they have made the choice and their hammer is ready to hit any nail because they are so good in it. Alas majority of us have no choice we code into existing code base which besides being shitty is also written in particular language that usually is not preferred choice for us we still code in those.
This whole discussion is not fruitful but amusing.
that is a rare insightful and informative as well as interesting post. There is always a problem with choosing a proper proxy for your measurement. There are subjects that are not available for such statistics as in your example so this TIOBE thing should be taken for what it is - a measure of how many people actually have problems with particular language at the time. Nothing more but nothing less. It is some indication but not very good one for how much work is being done in particular language. I still go for c++ followed by c and java. Each has its own good and bad things.
there is some truth in what he says too. There is a lot of BS around use of this or that language. I have seen horrible code written in java and c++ by people who did not know what programming is. It is a notch easier especially in Java to write 'working' code which attracts all sorts of lunatics. The fact is however these people that mess up java and c++ (as well as other objective languages) written code they also mess up any language - that is their nature. The problem here is that coding itself is just a relatively small an activity that is crucial but not sufficient to produce good applications. You need common sense, negotiation skills (to talk with your colleagues, other teams, customers and their representatives etc), sense for planning and assessing quality and costs etc, AT the end you spend only limited time coding. Good example of what I mean is on ars - winamp and why it went wrong (or why it is perceived so). Quite a good read. SO he is right and he is angry. I was angry too but I noticed this prevents you from getting things done. I code in what I have to.
there has been an article I read lately (which unfortunatelly I cannot find now) describing sense of having an article title as a question. The point of using one is that author does not have source, is not certain s/he is right, wants to flame or simply fill up the gap without offending anyone and question in the title means there is no substance. For a journalist or a person searching for information that is a sign to ignore but somehow I could - I felt attracted to this silliness which is possibly another reason this is has been used: flame-bait must be catchy.....
whether this would be much more effective to remotely log on to gradma's machine or send her a script is depending on many factors not smallest of them is what your gradma can and wants to do on her own and what is it that the script is supposed to do.
the interesting point is different. If you look at the way economy works you will notice that there are two sides that are significantly different but yet they must equal in some way or change their attributes so that their amounts fit the equation: amount of money (and its derivatives) and amount of goods (including services) on the market at any given time. Assuming economy grows (which it does if you look even in middle term i.e. without glitches like recessions etc) you need more money on the market or the system will be stressed because of limited liquidity and/or problem with increasing worth a particular unit of currency has. This can be fixed by injection of new money in amounts appropriate to the level economy grew. Judging these amounts is already difficult enough but how to inject the money? The money is in fact a property of your national bank. If your national bank wants to have more money on the market what it is to do? GIve credit to the gov so that the economy goes - but that is credit which means it has to be paid back. By giving this credit you create spiral of credit - banks get cash which is this credit we just got from the issuing bank and then give credit away holding part of the money as a backup in case... so more and more credit is created which has to be paid back. If this was the only way the system is doomed as you need to increase money supply at some point or wait for recession to wipe out the superfluous credit out of the face of earth. The other option is to give the newly printed (well you do not print that much these days do you - it is all virtual) money away but how? Well established ways are: to arrange to build infrastructure, to organize a sizable army and as these things go send it away to do something somewhere and create destruction which in turn has to be recovered from - a chance for gov investment. You have also another option - give newly created money away by adding this to social spending. Of course now I am a communist to say that but how else is the gov going to introduce money on the market??? OC some trust is needed to have this done and such injection cannot go forever and without a limit. We all (in Germany anyway) know where that goes - Weimar republic at al. Yet there does not seem to be any other way that is doing the same thing i.e. deals with imbalance created by growing market - this is bound to cause trouble only question is how big and how often. The other trouble is the other side i.e. a major decrease in production capacity - say because population decrease (in majority of countries in the so called west this happens because people do not procreate). These are all interesting problems caused by the fact that to make things simple we use something we all agree has a value i.e. money. Interestingly using gold (or any such) as currency is not really helping much either. In Spain during conquest of Americas the additional amount of gold that has been brought back from Americas caused inflation too.
These problems are all alike: due to nature of the system involved a single user of the system will chose to game it as it is more profitable for him/her. This of course increases costs and risks for everyone. The other possibility - if particular aspect of economy/society is viewed as especially important one may introduce rules and regulation requiring all participants in the market to do certain things (get a driving license if you want to use a car on a public road or pay for maintenance and modernization of your grid if you are utility provider.
Another thing is that such disasters are unavoidable and as much unavoidable is that outages they cause will last days or weeks even with some people left without access to utility for longer periods of time. You may improve the situation somewhat by providing regulation requiring market participants to maintain emergency services etc. I do not know what US situation really is - it may be that it is not as bad as people present it only the natural disaster was bigger than we expected it to be? OTOH it may be disaster was bigger than expected but because regulation did not address the issues with utility provisioning, maintenance and emergency services AND utility providers did not bother to do anything knowing well enough that this would harm them because regulation was not addressing issues utility may have had. The result problems bigger than they had to be. It may be interesting if somebody analyzed the problems, regulation etc and provided assessment of the current situation, how it could be improved and how much would it cost. Maybe you have already the best that can be especially given hostility to anything that smells of general national approach allowing savings trough economies of scale etc. In a reasonable, educated and cohesive society one could have hope.
you mean I really have to go that far and get sources, compile and install stuff??? What about software to which there is no (OMG) open source available and the vendor went out of business - new OS versions do not allow these old SW to be run - how is that for 'I run what I want on __my__ HW'?
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I have a problem with all the BS that comes out of green movement frequently enouff but I also have problems with people like you who out of the fact that we need energy deduce that we shall allow gas industry in this case do what they want because - yes because of what? If nobody complained they would have been dumping polluted water into rivers as they did because it is cheaper that way.
why - they had many ways to have fun that are illegal today and if you chose career in proper place you could force people to spell as you wanted them to do at least if they could write that is.
from certain perspective people are a homogeneous mass of ignorants and you spelled homogeneous wrong (not that I care - we all understood did we not?)
not that I am an expert but since when people speak and write as grammar of the language they use (mother or otherwise) allows ? That is the way language develops - people make changes to existing grammar and words introducing and changing things accidentally or not - some of this stuff sticks around for longer and is more popular some less, some of the stuff sticks around for so long that it gets into the official rules books. So maybe GP got confused or tried too hard but an odd chance may be that his phrases are replicas of some drunken poster of middle ages slashdot?
.. The equivalent would be people from, say, the UK, calling themselves "European" in exclusion of everybody else in the same continent. ...
The sentence should read: The equivalent would be people from, say, France, calling themselves "European" in exclusion of everybody else in the same continent and it would fit reality especially as people in UK have such deep feeling for Europe that they digged a bloody moat between them and the rest of continent. I think they use term 'english channel' for it and silly enough they built a tunnel underneath - not sure what for - I mean they do not know much about trains anyway as the history of the eurostar proves every other winter....
You do realize of course that major cause of vomiting in human population is noro virus and it takes approx 2 days to develop the vomiting symptoms so your sickness may be relate to e.g. traveling on a bus where sick person left some traces of its sickness - not much is needed to do that - sick person may be weak enough not to be able to wash hands properly or aerosols created by flushing toilet used by sick person etc - there are many possible vectors. Not that I do not support your quest against golden arch.
next: Apple has wins against people using their brains for speech recognition without a license.
Current practice however is that labels are not done out of fear that people stop buying and farmers are put under pressure legally and practically (pollution with GM seeds, availability of old species for commercial production etc). To me it means that however GM crops are - fuck it I will not buy (consciously i.e. if I know) products based on them out of principle. Play fair and be handled fair - that is obviously asking for too much. I suppose I am a commie, luddite and secret agent of EAAAFF (European Assholes Association Against Frankenstein Foods - I am sick and tired of three letters abbreviations).
to use 'seeds' from 20ya may not be legally possible - search Germany, Linda and potato to find out how that works. It is very much related to GMO as to any other cross-bred stuff these days - being industrial potato farmer means you rely on handlers to provide you seeds - this limits your chances. If license is withdrawn you cannot use the particular plant type commercially. You cannot go back to non-licensed seed either as it is not available. These situations happen in real world and to ignore them is evil - this is more dangerous to farmers than anything else.
merits and possible risks of GM crops include not only the health and safety issues but also the results on the economy and farmers - having all IP 'protected' means that if you are a farmer you have to pay. In some places this is not as voluntary as it is imagined by proponents of so called free market. The actual benefits should also be evaluated - mono-cultures that are created by industry produced seed is an ideal spreading ground for adapted agents doing evil things to the plants themselves as these agents i.e. bacteria, fungi and insects adapt faster than monsanto can gather royalties for their produce. One thing is right - people that are so loudly outraged by GM crops usually completely miss the point why actual monopoly (thanx IP laws etc) on seed is evil for instance.
the book in question is about utopia nothing less and nothing more. As somebody mentioned Spanish anarchists during civil war and how they were 'organized' - we all know how that ended or?
Not that I mind but by saying 'that is how market operates' you have given up any control you may have gotten out to 'market' w/o even thinking about consequences and there may be some. Market is not an instance of anything - it is just a way we describe how all agents interact, for simplicity we call it market. The closest that you may come to so called free market is probably Somalia and I suppose you would not like to have that or? So you have some 'non free market' interactions by organized public, legal system (laws, courts etc), financial agents (owners like Murdoch) etc. By saying - market will fix it you give this little that you have of control mostly to financial agents. Now the question may arise whether it makes sense to worry as this control that you have given up was worthless anyway because you had very little of it or because the thing to control was worthless. That however is another issue and maybe one that should be discussed instead. Simple saying like some others here they are all corrupt anyway is silly - after all (mandatory car analogy coming your way) you protect your car from theft not because such protection is 100% but because it makes the life of a thief more difficult. choice is yours. I made my own too - I buy newspapers on saturday only (and sometimes on thu - there is one regional newspaper that comes on thu but it is not glossy shit the glossy magazines are so I guess eventually I am on your 'side' but not because I let the 'market' make a decision but rather because I believe there are still means of doing a journalist job properly and in a way that is acceptable (price, depth & time&space availability) for me as a citizen.
so all the costs to ensure safe return of the ship back home is only to ensure life is not lost and not to ensure that billions invested actually achieve something instead of watching (or not depending of point of reentry) billions costing fireworks? This makes me think that excel & power point are the most dangerous tools in the world - allowing morons to produce calculations 'proving' things and then presenting them in a nice way - the common sense or services or reason are not needed to do that. Hoopla hoop and here goes anther 'scientific discovery'.
the good thing about that is that they show to everybody what bunch of fucks they are. The bad thing about this is that this hardly matters. It is as with kids - if t hey ask seemingly innocent question long enough they get an agreement not because we really agree but because we are tired of being asked the same question all t he time. The other problem there is that this is complex matter that does not affect lives directly so there is no majority that would go to EU Parliament with sticks and ropes to hand those assholes. I'd say - hang them all as they do not understand.
seems like you have half way (that is already a good sign) reasonable approach to this. I cannot understand why a law has to be written on thaousands of pages - seems to be a system thing. Germans here have the same sickness - they even have an act of law to simplify acts of law so that acts of law can get all tidy :) Not sure if this is because our political and law system has been fucked up by occupying forces (US apparently designed big part f it) or it is original German idea - maybe combination of those? Still I believe we do not have an act of law spanning over 1000pages (I hope at least).
that GP recognizes the difference between right to free speech and right to remain anonymous is a sign s/he is an educated person with some analytic skills. You post shows the opposite qualities - not only you attack GP's right to use whatever name he wants but you ignore the fact that using a particular (self chosen or not) name in certain context and in a consistent way has nothing to do with anonymity that you imply with your post. In fact every time you address GP by his userid on this side we will know who do you mean so what is problem do you have here?
Och so iDecade is gone we have now sDecade or at least sPost? Just wonder what this 's' stands for - different ideas come to mind here, some more appealing t han others.....
This whole discussion is not fruitful but amusing.
that is a rare insightful and informative as well as interesting post. There is always a problem with choosing a proper proxy for your measurement. There are subjects that are not available for such statistics as in your example so this TIOBE thing should be taken for what it is - a measure of how many people actually have problems with particular language at the time. Nothing more but nothing less. It is some indication but not very good one for how much work is being done in particular language. I still go for c++ followed by c and java. Each has its own good and bad things.
there is some truth in what he says too. There is a lot of BS around use of this or that language. I have seen horrible code written in java and c++ by people who did not know what programming is. It is a notch easier especially in Java to write 'working' code which attracts all sorts of lunatics. The fact is however these people that mess up java and c++ (as well as other objective languages) written code they also mess up any language - that is their nature. The problem here is that coding itself is just a relatively small an activity that is crucial but not sufficient to produce good applications. You need common sense, negotiation skills (to talk with your colleagues, other teams, customers and their representatives etc), sense for planning and assessing quality and costs etc, AT the end you spend only limited time coding. Good example of what I mean is on ars - winamp and why it went wrong (or why it is perceived so). Quite a good read. SO he is right and he is angry. I was angry too but I noticed this prevents you from getting things done. I code in what I have to.
there has been an article I read lately (which unfortunatelly I cannot find now) describing sense of having an article title as a question. The point of using one is that author does not have source, is not certain s/he is right, wants to flame or simply fill up the gap without offending anyone and question in the title means there is no substance. For a journalist or a person searching for information that is a sign to ignore but somehow I could - I felt attracted to this silliness which is possibly another reason this is has been used: flame-bait must be catchy.....
whether this would be much more effective to remotely log on to gradma's machine or send her a script is depending on many factors not smallest of them is what your gradma can and wants to do on her own and what is it that the script is supposed to do.
the interesting point is different. If you look at the way economy works you will notice that there are two sides that are significantly different but yet they must equal in some way or change their attributes so that their amounts fit the equation: amount of money (and its derivatives) and amount of goods (including services) on the market at any given time. Assuming economy grows (which it does if you look even in middle term i.e. without glitches like recessions etc) you need more money on the market or the system will be stressed because of limited liquidity and/or problem with increasing worth a particular unit of currency has. This can be fixed by injection of new money in amounts appropriate to the level economy grew. Judging these amounts is already difficult enough but how to inject the money? The money is in fact a property of your national bank. If your national bank wants to have more money on the market what it is to do? GIve credit to the gov so that the economy goes - but that is credit which means it has to be paid back. By giving this credit you create spiral of credit - banks get cash which is this credit we just got from the issuing bank and then give credit away holding part of the money as a backup in case... so more and more credit is created which has to be paid back. If this was the only way the system is doomed as you need to increase money supply at some point or wait for recession to wipe out the superfluous credit out of the face of earth. The other option is to give the newly printed (well you do not print that much these days do you - it is all virtual) money away but how? Well established ways are: to arrange to build infrastructure, to organize a sizable army and as these things go send it away to do something somewhere and create destruction which in turn has to be recovered from - a chance for gov investment. You have also another option - give newly created money away by adding this to social spending. Of course now I am a communist to say that but how else is the gov going to introduce money on the market??? OC some trust is needed to have this done and such injection cannot go forever and without a limit. We all (in Germany anyway) know where that goes - Weimar republic at al. Yet there does not seem to be any other way that is doing the same thing i.e. deals with imbalance created by growing market - this is bound to cause trouble only question is how big and how often. The other trouble is the other side i.e. a major decrease in production capacity - say because population decrease (in majority of countries in the so called west this happens because people do not procreate). These are all interesting problems caused by the fact that to make things simple we use something we all agree has a value i.e. money. Interestingly using gold (or any such) as currency is not really helping much either. In Spain during conquest of Americas the additional amount of gold that has been brought back from Americas caused inflation too.
Another thing is that such disasters are unavoidable and as much unavoidable is that outages they cause will last days or weeks even with some people left without access to utility for longer periods of time. You may improve the situation somewhat by providing regulation requiring market participants to maintain emergency services etc. I do not know what US situation really is - it may be that it is not as bad as people present it only the natural disaster was bigger than we expected it to be? OTOH it may be disaster was bigger than expected but because regulation did not address the issues with utility provisioning, maintenance and emergency services AND utility providers did not bother to do anything knowing well enough that this would harm them because regulation was not addressing issues utility may have had. The result problems bigger than they had to be. It may be interesting if somebody analyzed the problems, regulation etc and provided assessment of the current situation, how it could be improved and how much would it cost. Maybe you have already the best that can be especially given hostility to anything that smells of general national approach allowing savings trough economies of scale etc. In a reasonable, educated and cohesive society one could have hope.
you mean I really have to go that far and get sources, compile and install stuff??? What about software to which there is no (OMG) open source available and the vendor went out of business - new OS versions do not allow these old SW to be run - how is that for 'I run what I want on __my__ HW'?