Amen. I think that in general people put up with waay to much from web service providers, 'just because it's the internet.' If a car dealership told you that a certain car would work 99% of the time guaranteed, would you buy it? --begin plug-- Where I work, (sevenelements.com) we're offering a one month free w/ 6months prepaid thing for anyone switching from a different host (geared toward CIHOST people) --end plug--
oops submited too soon... i meant to say something (re: on a smaller level) about how i can imagine it's just too tempting for (some|a few|most) closed source developers not to borrow something from open source code...
although slightly offtopic, it's something to think about...
my guess is that more companies do this than we realize, just probably on a smaller level. one example: that disk compression utility microsoft borrowed in dos 6.?
it seems like companies wouldn't be so hideously stupid about it though...
I wouldn't think so... it's just too complicated to ever get a grip on, imho... what has one effect on one kid at X stage has a different effect on a different kid at X stage.
Keep in mind that this appears to be running off an @Home connection...
we can hardly blame h[u|i]rd for that.
poor server... that's like rerouting all the traffic in a major city down a small country road, then blaming the quality of the road when things get backed up...
take a look at This Story from a few days ago, regarding Microsoft and the WTO... It showed MS in a quite positive light, and most comments were agreeing with their position. When they do things worthy of mockery, we mock. When they do things worthy of praise, we praise (albeit reluctantly)
I own a webhosting co, and we've had a few clients that started with us but then after geting much bigger than they had planed move to a seperate option, be it their own setup or something like colocation.
I think really there are three options for people: 1) simple webhosting if you aren't planing on having too much traffic (this is sharing your server with alot of other sites, after all) 2) CoLocation If you're planing on alot of traffic but don't have alot of money/time to deal with firewall/server/bandwidth/etc/etc/etc issues 3) Roll your own If you're expecting alot of traffic (slashdot-esque) and you have the resources (cash, knowledge, possibly staff)
yeah... my first thought is that perhaps MS has an interest in msnbc reporting the "bad" stories about them first. think about it, if the story is reported by them first, then other news orgs will be less likely to make a big deal of it (since they weren't first), effectively giving MS an amazing ammount of spin control
Has anyone else noticed how MSNBC gets to Microsoft stories first? (this is a very small example) I remember back when MSNBC launched there was alot of assurance of Microsoft Corp having 0 involvement in it newswise... hmmm...
It has definately worked for me too... I met my wife on ICQ a couple years ago. I think the most important thing to keep in mind is that when you get into a relationship things have to change. We're both big computer people/geeks/whatever, but we don't let that stand in the way of each other. There was a story posted by roblimo (i think) about how geeks need a mate who's not into computers. I disagree. You need to be able to discuss your interests, you just can't let them be more important than your partner.
This is exactly the thinking that perpetuates the strategy that MS has. I mean, it's a damn word processor for god's sakes, you don't need new "features" every few months... I doubt you've ever used wordperfect 5/6/7/8 because they all kick word/office's paperclip ass.
I think Corel is really hiting the ground running with their Linux distribution. This is just another (great) way to get linux out there.
In case anyone's interested, here's an overview of Corel Linux (i'm a beta tester). This is all based on the 2nd Beta Release. The thing that struck me the most about this distribution is that with the "default" install it asks you exactly 0 technical questions. Even the partition tool was pretty simple, though you can just put it on your current DOS partition and bypass all that. I got through the installation without seeing even a glimpse of the console. In fact, an average windows user could easily use this distribution for years never knowing there even _was_ such a crazy thing. While this may cause some of us who like linux for the things that CL tries to "hide" to shudder, this is exactly what Linux needs. Microsoft (from a marketing standpoint) knew what they were doing hiding DOS behind the clouds... it's the same thing. I'm not saying that with a few minutes of tweaking you can't get the normal linux feel back, just that newbies won't have to deal with it until they're ready. As soon as it was through and I was in X Windows, I clicked on the big Netscape icon out of perhaps morbid curiosity, and to my surprise I had an active connection to my LAN. On other distributions this took alotof tinkering. I think this is what splits the line between computer users... those who want it to work so they can look up a recipe or what have you, and those of us like myself who actually enjoy the process of getting everything to work. In a more philosophical mood I would probably make some journey vs. destination remark. It was a weird, almost empty feeling siting in front of a linux box that had been "auto-configured." Yes, i've tried Caldera, and it has its strong points... but what Corel has done could really make linux approachable to everyone (I would literally trust my grandmother to install CL... just stick the CD in, reboot, and hit next a few times). Hopefully Corel will continue to market this like there's no tomorrow... it could really bring linux to the mainstream.
And besides, this would make up for sending celene dion (think www.corel.ca);-)
Remember that thing where pc makers have to pay microsoft for every computer, windows or not... even if you told them no OS at all... is this still how it works? If so then it seems like MS would still get $$ for every computer with linux/whateverthesehave, which would just be absorbed into the price but the principle still sucks...
I can relate to this person somewhat, as I founded my little company when I was 17. Granted it's not quite the moneymaker this company seems to be, but it keeps me comfortable.
I ran into several issues back then, mainly that where I am (tx) a contract can't be legally binding. I had to go through all sorts of loopholes to get a sales tax ID, etc. And I wouldn't wish having to deal with the Tx State Comptroller as a minor on my worst enemy - - talk about a nightmare.
My point is this: The 18 year threshold is waay outdated. I think it should be 16 (at least for most things). I mean think about it, in the U.S., you can operate a motor vehicle, but can't enter into a contract. You can be drafted before you can (legally) drink alcohol. I think there is too much residue left over from when most people actually subscribed to the 'think of the children' mindset. It's time for us, as a country, to grow up.
how many people were killed/injured??? none so far as i can tell... why don't you READ the story before posting... that's generally a good idea anyway...
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Amen.
I think that in general people put up with waay to much from web service providers, 'just because it's the internet.' If a car dealership told you that a certain car would work 99% of the time guaranteed, would you buy it?
--begin plug--
Where I work, (sevenelements.com) we're offering a one month free w/ 6months prepaid thing for anyone switching from a different host (geared toward CIHOST people)
--end plug--
it seems like the refer thing is completely optional
(especially since it says on their page that its a limited time offer).
ruin mars?
hahaha i think you give us a bit too much credit
oops submited too soon... i meant to say something (re: on a smaller level) about how i can imagine it's just too tempting for (some|a few|most) closed source developers not to borrow something from open source code...
although slightly offtopic, it's something to think about...
well, not too surprising i suppose.
my guess is that more companies do this than we realize, just probably on a smaller level.
one example: that disk compression utility microsoft borrowed in dos 6.?
it seems like companies wouldn't be so hideously stupid about it though...
I wouldn't think so...
it's just too complicated to ever get a grip on, imho...
what has one effect on one kid at X stage has a different effect on a different kid at X stage.
SE
absolutely... aroung age ~3 or so the brain stops making _physical_ connections...
that's why those are called the 'development years' when nurture is most important.
SE
I remember my college psy prof. being quite sure that it was all nurture.
Several studies she talked about (which of course i don't remember specificaly) claimed that it's nurture almost exlusively.
Most, however, seem to indicate it's a balance of both... not unlike most things in life.
Keep in mind that this appears to be running off an @Home connection...
we can hardly blame h[u|i]rd for that.
poor server... that's like rerouting all the traffic in a major city down a small country road, then blaming the quality of the road when things get backed up...
SE
take a look at This Story from a few days ago,
regarding Microsoft and the WTO...
It showed MS in a quite positive light, and most
comments were agreeing with their position.
When they do things worthy of mockery, we mock.
When they do things worthy of praise, we praise (albeit reluctantly)
Or, even better, why not one of those net to phone things like dialpad.com (which is free)
Chris_SE
I own a webhosting co, and we've had a few clients that started with us but then after geting much bigger than they had planed move to a seperate option, be it their own setup or something like colocation.
I think really there are three options for people:
1) simple webhosting if you aren't planing on having too much traffic (this is sharing your server with alot of other sites, after all)
2) CoLocation If you're planing on alot of traffic but don't have alot of money/time to deal with firewall/server/bandwidth/etc/etc/etc issues
3) Roll your own If you're expecting alot of traffic (slashdot-esque) and you have the resources (cash, knowledge, possibly staff)
SE
yeah... my first thought is that perhaps MS has an interest in msnbc reporting the "bad" stories about them first.
think about it, if the story is reported by them first, then other news orgs will be less likely to make a big deal of it (since they weren't first), effectively giving MS an amazing ammount of spin control
Has anyone else noticed how MSNBC gets to Microsoft stories first? (this is a very small example)
I remember back when MSNBC launched there was alot of assurance of Microsoft Corp having 0 involvement in it newswise...
hmmm...
It has definately worked for me too...
I met my wife on ICQ a couple years ago.
I think the most important thing to keep in mind is that when you get into a relationship things have to change. We're both big computer people/geeks/whatever, but we don't let that stand in the way of each other.
There was a story posted by roblimo (i think) about how geeks need a mate who's not into computers. I disagree. You need to be able to discuss your interests, you just can't let them be more important than your partner.
This is exactly the thinking that perpetuates the strategy that MS has. I mean, it's a damn word processor for god's sakes, you don't need new "features" every few months...
I doubt you've ever used wordperfect 5/6/7/8 because they all kick word/office's paperclip ass.
from the transmeta.com html source:
"
There are no secret messages in the source code to this web page.
There are no tyops in this web page.
"
I think Corel is really hiting the ground running with their Linux distribution. This is just another (great) way to get linux out there.
;-)
In case anyone's interested, here's an overview of Corel Linux (i'm a beta tester). This is all based on the 2nd Beta Release.
The thing that struck me the most about this distribution is that with the "default" install it asks you exactly 0 technical questions. Even the partition tool was pretty simple, though you can just put it on your current DOS partition and bypass all that. I got through the installation without seeing even a glimpse of the console. In fact, an average windows user could easily use this distribution for years never knowing there even _was_ such a crazy thing. While this may cause some of us who like linux for the things that CL tries to "hide" to shudder, this is exactly what Linux needs. Microsoft (from a marketing standpoint) knew what they were doing hiding DOS behind the clouds... it's the same thing. I'm not saying that with a few minutes of tweaking you can't get the normal linux feel back, just that newbies won't have to deal with it until they're ready. As soon as it was through and I was in X Windows, I clicked on the big Netscape icon out of perhaps morbid curiosity, and to my surprise I had an active connection to my LAN. On other distributions this took alotof tinkering. I think this is what splits the line between computer users... those who want it to work so they can look up a recipe or what have you, and those of us like myself who actually enjoy the process of getting everything to work. In a more philosophical mood I would probably make some journey vs. destination remark. It was a weird, almost empty feeling siting in front of a linux box that had been "auto-configured." Yes, i've tried Caldera, and it has its strong points... but what Corel has done could really make linux approachable to everyone (I would literally trust my grandmother to install CL... just stick the CD in, reboot, and hit next a few times). Hopefully Corel will continue to market this like there's no tomorrow... it could really bring linux to the mainstream.
And besides, this would make up for sending celene dion (think www.corel.ca)
I wonder if I could sue MS for my lost term paper when it bluescreened on me...
Hmmm... that is comparable to an architect drawing his blueprints on an etch-a-sketch
yeah you can also get a refund if you don't want windows ;-)
I was just wondering...
Remember that thing where pc makers have to pay microsoft for every computer, windows or not... even if you told them no OS at all... is this still how it works?
If so then it seems like MS would still get $$ for every computer with linux/whateverthesehave, which would just be absorbed into the price but the principle still sucks...
I can relate to this person somewhat, as I founded my little company when I was 17. Granted it's not quite the moneymaker this company seems to be, but it keeps me comfortable.
I ran into several issues back then, mainly that where I am (tx) a contract can't be legally binding. I had to go through all sorts of loopholes to get a sales tax ID, etc. And I wouldn't wish having to deal with the Tx State Comptroller as a minor on my worst enemy - - talk about a nightmare.
My point is this: The 18 year threshold is waay outdated. I think it should be 16 (at least for most things).
I mean think about it, in the U.S., you can operate a motor vehicle, but can't enter into a contract. You can be drafted before you can (legally) drink alcohol.
I think there is too much residue left over from when most people actually subscribed to the 'think of the children' mindset. It's time for us, as a country, to grow up.
how many people were killed/injured??? none so far as i can tell... why don't you READ the story before posting... that's generally a good idea anyway...
but what will happen when Linus shuffles off this mortal coil (god forbid) ?
has this been thought out?
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