Sure, the police can keep a small percentage of "immoral" people in line, but if a significant percentage of people decide to act against society, then the police wont be much help.
Police often have resource problems as it is on say New Years EVE, or other special occasions, what makes you think they could handle it if crime say doubled, and they had to lock up 2% of the US population instead of 1.
If there wasnâ(TM)t a clear majority of "good" people then society would have crumbled long ago.
You think that its the police that keep society safe from violence, LOL.
Ever hear of a riot... if everyone in society wanted to vomit violence then do you seriously think the police could stop it ?
Morality is what keep society safe, we are safe from violence because most people dont want to commit violence, not because everyone lives in fear of the police catching them (a police state).
Insightful comments, i dont know the answer to the problems there, but i believe it has to _start_ with literacy (education).
Even "crazy" people can have logical reasons to behave in their own twisted way, the logic only makes sense if you apply it to their twisted base conditions. (it can be logical for a crazy person to behave in a crazy way)
I think a lot of arguments happen because people look at the same problem from different viewpoints and disagree with what they see. To resolve the problem requires them to agree on what the problem is first. That is where literacy and critical thinking can help.
Ive heard that there are programs over the help them to read their religious books, its a start, it might take a generation to see the benefits.
Or maybe instead of resorting to violence to achieve your goal (like the tailban does) we could try and teach them to think for themselves so they arent so easily brainwashed by religion.
'It's more harmful to an open source project to let them contribute than it is to constantly shut them down. Do not respond to them on mailing lists or IRC. Do not let them get any sort of commit rights. Close any "usability" bugs they open. Do not let them participate in any way.'
Or perhaps give them guidelines to operate under, off the top of my head;
- Be able to perform an action with the mouse or keyboard.
- Minimize requirement to use mouse and keyboard at the same time.
- Minimize mouse movement wherever possible.
- Resource hungry effects should be easy to turn off.
Maybe i can help, i actually think Gnome3 looks nice, i think it would be pretty good on a touchscreen, but dumb unforgivable desktop changes include;
- Disabling desktop icons by default (can only have a bare wallpaper unless you modify the registry, which average users wont do)
- If you do have desktop icons enabled, you can see them at the same time as the applications selector thing.
- No minimise button, instead you have to rightclick, select minimum press button. 3 steps instead of 1.
- When selecting between applications with alt-tab, if you have say two firefox windows open, it shows them as tree, so you have alt-tab with one had, and mouse over to sub-tabs to select which of the windows you want to maximise.
- To open new applications is more mouse-intensive then the old start-button style menu (actually a foot iirc) they had, first you have to zoom the mouse to the top left and click, then move across a little and select application, then move all the way to the other side of the screen to select a category, then scrolling through the list.
Overall the interface is much more demanding of the user in terms of co-ordination and total movement.
"A person has the right to go about their lives without other people sticking their noses into it."
There i was trying to go about my life without other people sticking there nose into, and you never imaging what happened next...
I went out to the front yard to look in the snail box and there where all these bits of paper in there... from people !
All i want to do is go about my life without other people sticking their nose into it, and i have to put up with PEOPLE trying to COMMUNICATE !
Surely on a planet with only seven billion people on it i should have the right to avoid issues with people, and live in ignorance of those around me.
I mean, if i cant even have privacy when i want it, then how can i.... my freedom from others, blah blah blah, me me me... just think of the children !!!
The reason average users do stupid things is because of their past experiences.
If we provided users with user friendly and powerful tools they might gain confidence with them and use them, instead we treat them like idiots and complain that they act like idiots.
"Not really. Out Of Box Experience is more important for the 95+% of users who are not hackers." (fixed it for you)
And as software developers we should be incredibly ashamed about that.
The problem is when its more annoying to try and workout how change something than it is to put up with annoying features.
Giving users the ability to control their software should always be very important, its really arrogant for developers to always expect they know whats best for users.
"You mean the CIA has been actively trying to halt the nuclear weapons program of a nation who is opposed to the United States? Surely you jest!"
The biggest difference between any two groups of people is their leader.
You say a nation opposed to the United States, do you really mean that.. do you count the Iranian protesters who stand against their authoritarian government as part of the nation opposed to the United States ?
The Loy Yang is a brown coal fired Power Station in Victroria Australia, it provides a third the states power needs, it is built beside an open cut mine that has enough coal to last 1300 years (yes, over a thousand years).
Its owned by international companies and cant be shut down without financially compensating them, one of its current contracts is to supply energy for 15 years.
That is one of a few coal fired power stations in the Latrobe Valley, which has lots of brown coal not worth exporting, but good enough to burn. There are plans to build another brown coal fired power station in the Latrobe valley.
There are wind farms going up, but that account for only about 2% of power generation.
I wish i was more of an optimist, but i cant things changing in my state within a decade.
And if we could generate clean energy at half the price as energy from coal, then what do you think will happen to the price of coal, do you think it might go down, can you see a problem ?
Capitalism alone can not solve this problem.
No country can be allowed to act in its own best interests and ignoring the fate of everyone.
People can only truly understand something that they have experienced.
When they hear of someones hardship, they can try and "imagine" how it must feel like by comparing it to something they have experienced. They are comparing something they truly know about (their own experience) with something relative to their own experience.
Nobody can truely understand a more extreme experience than they have encountered themselves. i.e. Its always worse when it happens to you.
The point of using this technology is that the results cannot be predicted, however knowledgeable you may be
Well then someone would need extra strong magical powers to predict it then wouldnt they... (did you understand the bit about appearing like magic?)
You cannot say without a doubt that there will never ever be a way to predict (whatever), all you can say is current technology/knowledge cant predict (whatever).
Randomness is often considered to be an unpredictable pattern, but what is and isnt predictable is dependent on knowledge, so its not an absolute truth.
Randomness is really just an unrecognized pattern, its subjective , what seems random to one person may not be to another.
e.g. Im sure there are people (maybe children) that consider the tides to be random, they dont have the knowledge and experience to see the pattern.
So, any sufficiently advanced pattern is indistinguishable from randomness.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke
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Sure, the police can keep a small percentage of "immoral" people in line, but if a significant percentage of people decide to act against society, then the police wont be much help.
Police often have resource problems as it is on say New Years EVE, or other special occasions, what makes you think they could handle it if crime say doubled, and they had to lock up 2% of the US population instead of 1.
If there wasnâ(TM)t a clear majority of "good" people then society would have crumbled long ago.
You think that its the police that keep society safe from violence, LOL.
Ever hear of a riot... if everyone in society wanted to vomit violence then do you seriously think the police could stop it ?
Morality is what keep society safe, we are safe from violence because most people dont want to commit violence, not because everyone lives in fear of the police catching them (a police state).
Insightful comments, i dont know the answer to the problems there, but i believe it has to _start_ with literacy (education).
Even "crazy" people can have logical reasons to behave in their own twisted way, the logic only makes sense if you apply it to their twisted base conditions. (it can be logical for a crazy person to behave in a crazy way)
I think a lot of arguments happen because people look at the same problem from different viewpoints and disagree with what they see. To resolve the problem requires them to agree on what the problem is first. That is where literacy and critical thinking can help.
Ive heard that there are programs over the help them to read their religious books, its a start, it might take a generation to see the benefits.
Or maybe instead of resorting to violence to achieve your goal (like the tailban does) we could try and teach them to think for themselves so they arent so easily brainwashed by religion.
"They don't try to craft their own bullshit OO extensions to C, when they can just use C++, or Java, or Objective-C, or Python."
I think the problem with GObject isnt so much how it operates, the issue is that they are trying to solve a problem that they should be going near.
GObject is really about being able to use C++, and Java, and Objective-C, and Python in a layer above the libraries. It shouldnt try and do that.
'It's more harmful to an open source project to let them contribute than it is to constantly shut them down. Do not respond to them on mailing lists or IRC. Do not let them get any sort of commit rights. Close any "usability" bugs they open. Do not let them participate in any way.'
Or perhaps give them guidelines to operate under, off the top of my head;
- Be able to perform an action with the mouse or keyboard.
- Minimize requirement to use mouse and keyboard at the same time.
- Minimize mouse movement wherever possible.
- Resource hungry effects should be easy to turn off.
woops, meant to say
- If you do have desktop icons enabled, you cannot see them at the same time as the applications selector thing.
Maybe i can help, i actually think Gnome3 looks nice, i think it would be pretty good on a touchscreen, but dumb unforgivable desktop changes include;
- Disabling desktop icons by default (can only have a bare wallpaper unless you modify the registry, which average users wont do)
- If you do have desktop icons enabled, you can see them at the same time as the applications selector thing.
- No minimise button, instead you have to rightclick, select minimum press button. 3 steps instead of 1.
- When selecting between applications with alt-tab, if you have say two firefox windows open, it shows them as tree, so you have alt-tab with one had, and mouse over to sub-tabs to select which of the windows you want to maximise.
- To open new applications is more mouse-intensive then the old start-button style menu (actually a foot iirc) they had, first you have to zoom the mouse to the top left and click, then move across a little and select application, then move all the way to the other side of the screen to select a category, then scrolling through the list.
Overall the interface is much more demanding of the user in terms of co-ordination and total movement.
Thats why i see it as less usable.
"A person has the right to go about their lives without other people sticking their noses into it."
There i was trying to go about my life without other people sticking there nose into, and you never imaging what happened next...
I went out to the front yard to look in the snail box and there where all these bits of paper in there... from people !
All i want to do is go about my life without other people sticking their nose into it, and i have to put up with PEOPLE trying to COMMUNICATE !
Surely on a planet with only seven billion people on it i should have the right to avoid issues with people, and live in ignorance of those around me.
I mean, if i cant even have privacy when i want it, then how can i .... my freedom from others, blah blah blah, me me me ... just think of the children !!!
The reason average users do stupid things is because of their past experiences.
If we provided users with user friendly and powerful tools they might gain confidence with them and use them, instead we treat them like idiots and complain that they act like idiots.
"Not really. Out Of Box Experience is more important for the 95+% of users who are not hackers." (fixed it for you)
And as software developers we should be incredibly ashamed about that.
The problem is when its more annoying to try and workout how change something than it is to put up with annoying features.
Giving users the ability to control their software should always be very important, its really arrogant for developers to always expect they know whats best for users.
"You mean the CIA has been actively trying to halt the nuclear weapons program of a nation who is opposed to the United States? Surely you jest!"
The biggest difference between any two groups of people is their leader.
You say a nation opposed to the United States, do you really mean that.. do you count the Iranian protesters who stand against their authoritarian government as part of the nation opposed to the United States ?
The Nation is dead, long live the people.
The Loy Yang is a brown coal fired Power Station in Victroria Australia, it provides a third the states power needs, it is built beside an open cut mine that has enough coal to last 1300 years (yes, over a thousand years).
Its owned by international companies and cant be shut down without financially compensating them, one of its current contracts is to supply energy for 15 years.
That is one of a few coal fired power stations in the Latrobe Valley, which has lots of brown coal not worth exporting, but good enough to burn. There are plans to build another brown coal fired power station in the Latrobe valley.
There are wind farms going up, but that account for only about 2% of power generation.
I wish i was more of an optimist, but i cant things changing in my state within a decade.
And if we could generate clean energy at half the price as energy from coal, then what do you think will happen to the price of coal, do you think it might go down, can you see a problem ?
Capitalism alone can not solve this problem.
No country can be allowed to act in its own best interests and ignoring the fate of everyone.
"Clem has made anti-semantic remarks"
Proof or shut the fu*k up.
People can only truly understand something that they have experienced.
When they hear of someones hardship, they can try and "imagine" how it must feel like by comparing it to something they have experienced. They are comparing something they truly know about (their own experience) with something relative to their own experience.
Nobody can truely understand a more extreme experience than they have encountered themselves. i.e. Its always worse when it happens to you.
"far easier to create a new language from whole cloth than it is to convince the existing user base of a popular language to accept radical changes."
I think we should apply that concept to human languages.
And if you dont agree with me then, sof ertes fidods as'd fguw !
"This isn't so much about security as it is about a consistent revenue stream."
Financial security.
Two scoops ?
The point of using this technology is that the results cannot be predicted, however knowledgeable you may be
Well then someone would need extra strong magical powers to predict it then wouldnt they... (did you understand the bit about appearing like magic?)
You cannot say without a doubt that there will never ever be a way to predict (whatever), all you can say is current technology/knowledge cant predict (whatever).
Randomness is often considered to be an unpredictable pattern, but what is and isnt predictable is dependent on knowledge, so its not an absolute truth.
Randomness is really just an unrecognized pattern, its subjective , what seems random to one person may not be to another.
e.g. Im sure there are people (maybe children) that consider the tides to be random, they dont have the knowledge and experience to see the pattern.
So, any sufficiently advanced pattern is indistinguishable from randomness.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke
If you make it hard for non-geeks they will just wait until its on TV for free.
Media industry still doesnt seem understand the time-value of their product.
"Actually there's nothing random given the multiverse theory."
There's nothing random given the predeterminist [uni|multi]verse.
Still there are people are who dont understand the difference between real stuff and images of real stuff.
I give you two homework questions
- What does transitive mean ?
- How does this legally relate to theft ?
You dont have the guts to say whats on your mind (do you mean shoot him?) and you still cant see how important free speech is...
OPEN YOUR EYES