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Microsoft Kills the Kin
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... but I've only been seeing ads on TV for the Kin for about 2-3 weeks....
That's the crazy thing... it's only been *on the market* for 2-3 weeks. They basically killed it right away.
Engadget covered this a bit better, but basically through bad project management, they delayed the whole thing by 18 months, and a LOT has changed in the smartphone space in that time. If they had come out with it 18 months ago, it might have made sense.
Now even microsoft is coming out with a new mobile OS, it really doesn't make sense to support two, and Verizon was pretty upset that microsoft delayed it so long, so they didn't give microsoft the low plan pricing they originally planned for.
All in all, it never made sense to anyone, and now its gone. Its like the palm Foleo all over again.
You have metal around the case to bring the front and back pieces together. Why not make that piece of metal useful?
Sounds like reasonable engineering to me, except for the fact that it ended up introducing a new problem.
You don't design a billion dollar product based on what "seems reasonable". You design it based on the ideas of the best goddamn engineers you can find, and do exhaustive testing.
The problem at Apple is that the higher-ups get so entranced in design work that they might push too hard to make their engineers "deal with it". If an engineer told steve jobs "no, you can't do that", Jobs would probably fire him and find and engineer that said he could do it, even if that engineer was either just covering his ass, or was too optimistic.
And then they required all the testers to have covers on their phones to make it look like an iphone 3G, which masked the meat-to-antenna issue.
I'd also like to know the age of these "engineers".
I'm a 25 year old engineer and I love twitter, because I like to know what my friends are doing.
Most people that don't like twitter just don't understand it, or are the kind of people that don't accept tech to begin with. Twitter really isn't supposed to be for "normal" people. At least not until techy becomes the norm, which is happening. -taylor
Hiding it makes a lot of sense if you don't want to look bad, but is unhelpful to users who want to know if they need to update their systems or if it can wait.
I think you run too much windos. The only reason I've ever hesitated installing an OS X update right away was when it required a restart and I had something running I didn't want to interrupt. I've never seen an update break anything. I shake my head when I hear the windos admins at the company test a bugfix update. Why'd the need to do that? Isn't that what the vendor is supposed to do before sending it out?
I think you run too much Mac.
Vendors are supposed to test their updates before sending it out, but who knows if their tests were comprehensive? The best way to see if an update will work with your specific combination of hardware and software is to test it on your hardware and software. Are you using a custom app written in-house? Did your programmer rely on an outdated program interface that finally got phased out in this update? The vendor may have given plenty of warning that they were going to phase out that interface, but your programmer may have missed that, or been an idiot. In that case, the vendor *DID* test and considered it functional, but it could still break stuff.
Or the vendor thought they tested it, but screwed that up. Are you willing to trust them to always get it right 100% of the time?
Your cuddly image of Mac computers always working is great, but *NO* system is infallible, and if you have 1000 computers and you can't afford to have them all stop working on you, you have to test *EVERY* upgrade. That's just common sense. -Taylor
Why is the information publicly available? Why would most generic Mac users care to seek it on their own? Should Apple shove it in their face?
I would hardly call release notes for a bugfix "shoving it in their face."
It makes a lot of sense to say what you fixed in a bugfix, so people clearly know if a system needs a bugfix, or is safe.
Hiding it makes a lot of sense if you don't want to look bad, but is unhelpful to users who want to know if they need to update their systems or if it can wait.
This is probably more of an issue for enterprise users, and in that case their are fewer macs for sure, but its a good practice to be honest about what you're fixing, and covering that up is dishonest. -Taylor
What is the target purpose for this? Research experiments that could be done? What kind of safety goggles are used with this (material/wavelength tint/etc) and what kind of clothing/protective gear will NOT set on fire if accidental exposure should occur? Also, what kind of battery life are we looking at? (or is this a plug in stationary laser?)
Well, assuming it draws around the 1W power that the laser puts out, and assuming a modest 2200mAH 3.3v battery, it would run for about 7 hours continually. And this thing is BIG (like, maglite big), so it could probably stand to pack more batteries than that! -Taylor
1-watt blue, I mean. IR laser diodes are much, much cheaper.
And require a DPSS setup to make visible light, which is more complicated. They're also more dangerous, because they can leak invisible light that can blind you without warning.
This is a true blue laser, not an IR laser pumped down, so its much simpler. That explains the cost.
Plus, they're selling it with a nice housing, batteries, a warranty, etc.
Its a killer deal.
I'm just worried some stupid kid is going to blind 15 people in some restaurant by trying to show his friends how he can pop the kids balloons stuck in the ceiling and accidentally reflecting it off of something.
This laser will blind a person in a MILLISECOND. -Taylor
Could that 1-watt blue diode be used to make a dirt cheap CNC engraver for wood nameplates?
I think so, though I've heard that normally laser cutters are like 30W minimum. You're not cutting though, just burning, so I feel like it would get the job done. Might have to move slowly though. -Taylor
This is the dumbest article I have ever seen on any subject ever. How much more can someone grasp at straws? It's a nice display, just stop. No one ever said "It has a resolution greater than or equivalent to the human retina," they just call it a "Retina" display because it *sounds* fancy. It's a fucking marketing name... I've argued about some pretty stupid stuff in my day (but capacitive means you can't use a stylus! How are you supposed to get to all those tiny menus!), but this is ridiculous. -Taylor
Macs went to EFI over four years ago. Hard to believe it took the windows machines this long to take the leap?
BIOS is the bane of the PC service tech. That's where manufacturers lock up the hardware and prevent you from being able to fix it or work on it. Good bye, and good riddance.
As people have said, windows machines have been capable for a few years now. But due to the broad variety of windows machines, its not as easy to move forward. Microsoft has to support legacy stuff for enterprise customers or they are going to piss a lot of people off. Windows XP needs BIOS as far as I can tell, so if you buy a PC and can't install XP on it, some people might get upset. Macs are tied to their hardware more intimately, so apple can control this.
But mostly, I think is because it's not that big of a deal... Most users NEVER interact with the BIOS directly (well... you know what I mean!) so it doesn't much matter.
And I'm amused that you assume that if BIOS goes away, PC manufacturers will suddenly stop locking down hardware... I'm sure UEFI can be just as restrictive... -Taylor
What we really need for change is showing the evils of the police department, sort of an anti-COPS show, showing abuses in the police system to innocent people.
It's called YouTube.
Not for long, if these officers succeed in changing the laws... -Taylor
Along with high-frequency traders, include lawyers, people in the arts, and geologists. I've yet to encounter other career paths that result in so many high-functioning alcoholics.
If IE9 is supposed to destroy the previous versions of IE then they better support IE9 on XP. XP is still a solid operating system and currently has the highest market share.
No one is going to upgrade their OS just because there is a new browser from Microsoft.
I think IE7 or IE8 would be fine for XP users... This article is about *IE6* dying... people still stuck with that old of a browser will see plenty of improvement going to something even 1 or 2 generations behind IE9.
Now, EULAs themselves are perhaps a grey area, but Microsoft's opinion on the matter is quite clear.
Yeah, but as you say, EULAs could potentially be a gray area. I dunno, I'm not a lawyer and maybe it is just as bad as piracy, but I'm certainly less likely to get in trouble doing it than with direct piracy, so at least I'm covering my ass.
I dunno, maybe it is just as bad, I haven't put a lot of thought into it. But I don't like paying for a tied up license for an OS anyway, so I guess its my way of getting back. -Taylor
Why would anyone running XP fork over the dough for a 3TB HDD? XP is 9 years old and Win7 is a very good replacement for newer machines, particularly ones who's owners might want a 3TB drive for.
Because some people are perfectly happy running XP, or don't want to pay $100-$200 for a legal copy of windows 7, and don't want to pirate.
I have a perfectly good fileserver at home that just runs XP. I use XP because it is also my backup computer for various tasks, and mostly I've just been too lazy to move it to linux.
Either way, i've got 5TB of storage and I'd love to throw in another 3TB. Even if I fork over the money for a 3TB drive, i might not want to spend *another* $100 just for a compatible OS, even if I have all the money in the world.
XP is a perfectly good OS for most people for another 5 years if not longer. I love windows 7 and have it on 3 machines of mine, but that doesn't mean XP isn't totally fine much of the time.
Plus, you can find legal copies of XP for free, in the trash. When someone throws out an old PC, it often still has XP, so I snap a picture of the license sticker and use that with an OEM disc next time I need a copy of XP on something. Legally gray but I consider it fair use. -Taylor
If you steal a pickpockets wallet, you're still going to jail for being a pickpocket.
If you steal your own wallet back from a pickpocket, you're not going to jail.
Ugh, can we all stop this?
I mean really, I have a proposal:
Let's all, finally and from now on, agree that we shouldn't keep using physical-world analogies for virtual things.
It just allows people who don't understand the situation to *continue* not understanding the situation, while still allowing them to try to make decisions about it.
I think that's pretty damaging. Remember Senator Ted "Tubes" Stevens? Yeah, lets not have any more tubes here - the internet has been a part of all of our lives for at least 18 years or more (less if you're not that old... but then its your whole life!).
The reality distortion field is really strong up there in Redmond, isn't it? That's the only POV you could be coming from to be looking at this as levelling a field unfairly tilted against Microsoft....
You are very incorrect. I live in silicon valley, and have never been to washington. I hate windows mobile and ditched it *years* ago, never to look back. I am a rabid fan of Android and shelled out for a nexus one as soon as they hit AT&T. I had a G1 for a year before that.
I never implied that the playing field was fairly or unfairly tilted, just that it is tilted. Of course, its tilted because windows mobile is complete crap and they charge for it, when android is amazing and free. I merely said that they are *trying* to level the playing field, by making them both cost money.
Though for what it's worth, Windows Series 7 isn't just a rebranding, it's re-written from scratch and actually isn't even compatible with windows mobile at all (so there are no legacy architectures, for example). They recently showed off screenshots of what WinMo 7 was going to be before they scrapped it (crap) - and then it was very much scrapped. I don't personally care, Android is amazing and I don't feel like supporting some fledgling platform that's going to be way behind android, but I do think it will be better than WinMo (which is not saying much).
So chill out. I'm not some brainwashed redmond zombie; you hugely misinterpreted what I said. And I already responded to someone making the same complaint earlier today somewhere down this thread... -Taylor
Healthfood sucks. Seriously. I lived in Japan for a year. I could eat whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted, and as much as I wanted. and I still lost weight. American junk food has to be some of the grossest, fattening food on the planet (and the most delicious, but that's another story). Sure, I would like to eat healthily, though, like I did in Japan, but what options does that give me? I can eat a salad..... or a different salad. I can go to a restaurant with a menu of salads. I suppose there are sandwiches, too. So now we're up to two choices when I want to eat healthy.
In Japan, nearly everything is healthier and lighter than its American equivalent, including the fried food. There are terribly unhealthy choices, too, but there are as many ways to eat reasonably healthy food over there as there are types of fast food in America. Americans do not have an aversion to health food, they have an aversion to eating the same shitty, expensive health food every day.
Signed, Everyone outside of the East and West Coasts that doesn't have delicious, cheap, and many varieties of healthy or moderately-healthy food.
Hell, I agree, and I live in the west coast. In Santa Clara county actually, where this legislation was passed. I only have a couple options around my work, and I get sick of sub sandwiches or a salad every day, so I even used to go to Burger King a couple times a month just for some damn variety. I wish we had more japanese style food, that stuff is great.
Its really hard to find a good lunch near me that has less than 800 calories, will fill me up, and I won't get sick of after a little while.
Luckily my girlfriend decided to start making me lunches recently, and I eat way better now. Best thing ever. -taylor
That's fine, I'm just arguing with the suggestion that this is:
"Controlling people. Not even for their own good, but merely for the sake of weilding control."
As bad as that would be, this isn't that kind of situation, and pretending like it is is just stupid.
Not saying we shouldn't abhor this kind of legislation (or that we should), just saying that when you make an argument, you should properly identify the problem, not just dramatize everything. -Taylor
Fine both mean the DOJ needs to get involved, but that will never happen.
Either way, I am going to be sure in the future I do not buy any phone made by anyone who paid MS a dime. So glad I did not get an eris.
Sadly, HTC is awesome. I've been a customer of theirs for years and have never been let down by the hardware. Currently on a Nexus One and love it.
I'll try not to worry about what their accountants and laywers decide, because their hardware guys are amazing. Unless this gets worse though, I suppose. I'm more just sickened by the thought of continuing to pay Microsoft for licensing a phone with an OSS OS. I thought i decided to stop paying them for phones a long time ago... -Taylor
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This guy's got nothing on the Giant Cardboard Robots i saw at the Maker Faire.
http://www.gorobotics.net/the-news/misc/turn-yourself-into-a-giant-cardboard-robot/
-Taylor
... but I've only been seeing ads on TV for the Kin for about 2-3 weeks....
That's the crazy thing... it's only been *on the market* for 2-3 weeks. They basically killed it right away.
Engadget covered this a bit better, but basically through bad project management, they delayed the whole thing by 18 months, and a LOT has changed in the smartphone space in that time. If they had come out with it 18 months ago, it might have made sense.
Now even microsoft is coming out with a new mobile OS, it really doesn't make sense to support two, and Verizon was pretty upset that microsoft delayed it so long, so they didn't give microsoft the low plan pricing they originally planned for.
All in all, it never made sense to anyone, and now its gone. Its like the palm Foleo all over again.
-Taylor
You have metal around the case to bring the front and back pieces together. Why not make that piece of metal useful?
Sounds like reasonable engineering to me, except for the fact that it ended up introducing a new problem.
You don't design a billion dollar product based on what "seems reasonable". You design it based on the ideas of the best goddamn engineers you can find, and do exhaustive testing.
The problem at Apple is that the higher-ups get so entranced in design work that they might push too hard to make their engineers "deal with it". If an engineer told steve jobs "no, you can't do that", Jobs would probably fire him and find and engineer that said he could do it, even if that engineer was either just covering his ass, or was too optimistic.
And then they required all the testers to have covers on their phones to make it look like an iphone 3G, which masked the meat-to-antenna issue.
gizmodo posted a good article on the issue yesterday: http://gizmodo.com/5575412/apple-design-vs-apple-engineering
It is systematic, not accidental.
-Taylor
The last thing I need is more noise. That's why I don't use twitter. Besides, 160 characters doesn't exactly lend itself to worthwhile discourse.
Haha, yet your comment is only 145 characters! Noise you say? Yeah, you have no need for that...
-Taylor
I'd also like to know the age of these "engineers".
I'm a 25 year old engineer and I love twitter, because I like to know what my friends are doing.
Most people that don't like twitter just don't understand it, or are the kind of people that don't accept tech to begin with. Twitter really isn't supposed to be for "normal" people. At least not until techy becomes the norm, which is happening.
-taylor
Hiding it makes a lot of sense if you don't want to look bad, but is unhelpful to users who want to know if they need to update their systems or if it can wait.
I think you run too much windos. The only reason I've ever hesitated installing an OS X update right away was when it required a restart and I had something running I didn't want to interrupt. I've never seen an update break anything. I shake my head when I hear the windos admins at the company test a bugfix update. Why'd the need to do that? Isn't that what the vendor is supposed to do before sending it out?
I think you run too much Mac.
Vendors are supposed to test their updates before sending it out, but who knows if their tests were comprehensive? The best way to see if an update will work with your specific combination of hardware and software is to test it on your hardware and software. Are you using a custom app written in-house? Did your programmer rely on an outdated program interface that finally got phased out in this update? The vendor may have given plenty of warning that they were going to phase out that interface, but your programmer may have missed that, or been an idiot. In that case, the vendor *DID* test and considered it functional, but it could still break stuff.
Or the vendor thought they tested it, but screwed that up. Are you willing to trust them to always get it right 100% of the time?
Your cuddly image of Mac computers always working is great, but *NO* system is infallible, and if you have 1000 computers and you can't afford to have them all stop working on you, you have to test *EVERY* upgrade. That's just common sense.
-Taylor
Why is the information publicly available? Why would most generic Mac users care to seek it on their own? Should Apple shove it in their face?
I would hardly call release notes for a bugfix "shoving it in their face."
It makes a lot of sense to say what you fixed in a bugfix, so people clearly know if a system needs a bugfix, or is safe.
Hiding it makes a lot of sense if you don't want to look bad, but is unhelpful to users who want to know if they need to update their systems or if it can wait.
This is probably more of an issue for enterprise users, and in that case their are fewer macs for sure, but its a good practice to be honest about what you're fixing, and covering that up is dishonest.
-Taylor
What is the target purpose for this? Research experiments that could be done? What kind of safety goggles are used with this (material/wavelength tint/etc) and what kind of clothing/protective gear will NOT set on fire if accidental exposure should occur? Also, what kind of battery life are we looking at? (or is this a plug in stationary laser?)
Well, assuming it draws around the 1W power that the laser puts out, and assuming a modest 2200mAH 3.3v battery, it would run for about 7 hours continually. And this thing is BIG (like, maglite big), so it could probably stand to pack more batteries than that!
-Taylor
1-watt blue, I mean. IR laser diodes are much, much cheaper.
And require a DPSS setup to make visible light, which is more complicated. They're also more dangerous, because they can leak invisible light that can blind you without warning.
This is a true blue laser, not an IR laser pumped down, so its much simpler. That explains the cost.
Plus, they're selling it with a nice housing, batteries, a warranty, etc.
Its a killer deal.
I'm just worried some stupid kid is going to blind 15 people in some restaurant by trying to show his friends how he can pop the kids balloons stuck in the ceiling and accidentally reflecting it off of something.
This laser will blind a person in a MILLISECOND.
-Taylor
Could that 1-watt blue diode be used to make a dirt cheap CNC engraver for wood nameplates?
I think so, though I've heard that normally laser cutters are like 30W minimum. You're not cutting though, just burning, so I feel like it would get the job done. Might have to move slowly though.
-Taylor
This is the dumbest article I have ever seen on any subject ever. How much more can someone grasp at straws? It's a nice display, just stop. No one ever said "It has a resolution greater than or equivalent to the human retina," they just call it a "Retina" display because it *sounds* fancy. It's a fucking marketing name...
I've argued about some pretty stupid stuff in my day (but capacitive means you can't use a stylus! How are you supposed to get to all those tiny menus!), but this is ridiculous.
-Taylor
Macs went to EFI over four years ago. Hard to believe it took the windows machines this long to take the leap?
BIOS is the bane of the PC service tech. That's where manufacturers lock up the hardware and prevent you from being able to fix it or work on it. Good bye, and good riddance.
As people have said, windows machines have been capable for a few years now. But due to the broad variety of windows machines, its not as easy to move forward. Microsoft has to support legacy stuff for enterprise customers or they are going to piss a lot of people off. Windows XP needs BIOS as far as I can tell, so if you buy a PC and can't install XP on it, some people might get upset. Macs are tied to their hardware more intimately, so apple can control this.
But mostly, I think is because it's not that big of a deal... Most users NEVER interact with the BIOS directly (well... you know what I mean!) so it doesn't much matter.
And I'm amused that you assume that if BIOS goes away, PC manufacturers will suddenly stop locking down hardware... I'm sure UEFI can be just as restrictive...
-Taylor
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What we really need for change is showing the evils of the police department, sort of an anti-COPS show, showing abuses in the police system to innocent people.
It's called YouTube.
Not for long, if these officers succeed in changing the laws...
-Taylor
Along with high-frequency traders, include lawyers, people in the arts, and geologists. I've yet to encounter other career paths that result in so many high-functioning alcoholics.
Don't forget engineers! We're alcoholics too! :)
-Taylor
If IE9 is supposed to destroy the previous versions of IE then they better support IE9 on XP.
XP is still a solid operating system and currently has the highest market share.
No one is going to upgrade their OS just because there is a new browser from Microsoft.
I think IE7 or IE8 would be fine for XP users... This article is about *IE6* dying... people still stuck with that old of a browser will see plenty of improvement going to something even 1 or 2 generations behind IE9.
Keep up that attitude, and we'll put it on a Pro-Herpes-Drug ad.
"Herpes. It's what's for dinner."
Yes, I know, way, way too far.
-Taylor
Now, EULAs themselves are perhaps a grey area, but Microsoft's opinion on the matter is quite clear.
Yeah, but as you say, EULAs could potentially be a gray area. I dunno, I'm not a lawyer and maybe it is just as bad as piracy, but I'm certainly less likely to get in trouble doing it than with direct piracy, so at least I'm covering my ass.
I dunno, maybe it is just as bad, I haven't put a lot of thought into it. But I don't like paying for a tied up license for an OS anyway, so I guess its my way of getting back.
-Taylor
Why would anyone running XP fork over the dough for a 3TB HDD? XP is 9 years old and Win7 is a very good replacement for newer machines, particularly ones who's owners might want a 3TB drive for.
Because some people are perfectly happy running XP, or don't want to pay $100-$200 for a legal copy of windows 7, and don't want to pirate.
I have a perfectly good fileserver at home that just runs XP. I use XP because it is also my backup computer for various tasks, and mostly I've just been too lazy to move it to linux.
Either way, i've got 5TB of storage and I'd love to throw in another 3TB. Even if I fork over the money for a 3TB drive, i might not want to spend *another* $100 just for a compatible OS, even if I have all the money in the world.
XP is a perfectly good OS for most people for another 5 years if not longer. I love windows 7 and have it on 3 machines of mine, but that doesn't mean XP isn't totally fine much of the time.
Plus, you can find legal copies of XP for free, in the trash. When someone throws out an old PC, it often still has XP, so I snap a picture of the license sticker and use that with an OEM disc next time I need a copy of XP on something. Legally gray but I consider it fair use.
-Taylor
And I just realized that you weren't the one to start the analogy, though my thoughts in general still stand.
If you steal your own wallet back from a pickpocket, you're not going to jail.
Ugh, can we all stop this?
I mean really, I have a proposal:
Let's all, finally and from now on, agree that we shouldn't keep using physical-world analogies for virtual things.
It just allows people who don't understand the situation to *continue* not understanding the situation, while still allowing them to try to make decisions about it.
I think that's pretty damaging. Remember Senator Ted "Tubes" Stevens? Yeah, lets not have any more tubes here - the internet has been a part of all of our lives for at least 18 years or more (less if you're not that old... but then its your whole life!).
-Taylor
The reality distortion field is really strong up there in Redmond, isn't it? That's the only POV you could be coming from to be looking at this as levelling a field unfairly tilted against Microsoft....
You are very incorrect. I live in silicon valley, and have never been to washington. I hate windows mobile and ditched it *years* ago, never to look back. I am a rabid fan of Android and shelled out for a nexus one as soon as they hit AT&T. I had a G1 for a year before that.
I never implied that the playing field was fairly or unfairly tilted, just that it is tilted. Of course, its tilted because windows mobile is complete crap and they charge for it, when android is amazing and free. I merely said that they are *trying* to level the playing field, by making them both cost money.
Though for what it's worth, Windows Series 7 isn't just a rebranding, it's re-written from scratch and actually isn't even compatible with windows mobile at all (so there are no legacy architectures, for example). They recently showed off screenshots of what WinMo 7 was going to be before they scrapped it (crap) - and then it was very much scrapped. I don't personally care, Android is amazing and I don't feel like supporting some fledgling platform that's going to be way behind android, but I do think it will be better than WinMo (which is not saying much).
So chill out. I'm not some brainwashed redmond zombie; you hugely misinterpreted what I said. And I already responded to someone making the same complaint earlier today somewhere down this thread...
-Taylor
Healthfood sucks. Seriously. I lived in Japan for a year. I could eat whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted, and as much as I wanted. and I still lost weight. American junk food has to be some of the grossest, fattening food on the planet (and the most delicious, but that's another story). Sure, I would like to eat healthily, though, like I did in Japan, but what options does that give me? I can eat a salad..... or a different salad. I can go to a restaurant with a menu of salads. I suppose there are sandwiches, too. So now we're up to two choices when I want to eat healthy.
In Japan, nearly everything is healthier and lighter than its American equivalent, including the fried food. There are terribly unhealthy choices, too, but there are as many ways to eat reasonably healthy food over there as there are types of fast food in America. Americans do not have an aversion to health food, they have an aversion to eating the same shitty, expensive health food every day.
Signed,
Everyone outside of the East and West Coasts that doesn't have delicious, cheap, and many varieties of healthy or moderately-healthy food.
Hell, I agree, and I live in the west coast. In Santa Clara county actually, where this legislation was passed. I only have a couple options around my work, and I get sick of sub sandwiches or a salad every day, so I even used to go to Burger King a couple times a month just for some damn variety. I wish we had more japanese style food, that stuff is great.
Its really hard to find a good lunch near me that has less than 800 calories, will fill me up, and I won't get sick of after a little while.
Luckily my girlfriend decided to start making me lunches recently, and I eat way better now. Best thing ever.
-taylor
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
That's fine, I'm just arguing with the suggestion that this is:
"Controlling people. Not even for their own good, but merely for the sake of weilding control."
As bad as that would be, this isn't that kind of situation, and pretending like it is is just stupid.
Not saying we shouldn't abhor this kind of legislation (or that we should), just saying that when you make an argument, you should properly identify the problem, not just dramatize everything.
-Taylor
They can be awesome just like SuSe once was, I still won't buy from folks who make deals with the devil.
Fair enough.
Fine both mean the DOJ needs to get involved, but that will never happen.
Either way, I am going to be sure in the future I do not buy any phone made by anyone who paid MS a dime. So glad I did not get an eris.
Sadly, HTC is awesome. I've been a customer of theirs for years and have never been let down by the hardware. Currently on a Nexus One and love it.
I'll try not to worry about what their accountants and laywers decide, because their hardware guys are amazing. Unless this gets worse though, I suppose. I'm more just sickened by the thought of continuing to pay Microsoft for licensing a phone with an OSS OS. I thought i decided to stop paying them for phones a long time ago...
-Taylor