Debian renamed Firefox and Thunderbird because the Mozilla Foundation would allow a modified version to be called Firefox/Thunderbird. It was not Debian's decision to do this. Place the blame where it belongs.
And yet every other distro has Firefox and Thunderbird, even debian based ones... Debian doesn't use Firefox because Debian has some unreasonable bar set for judging the free-ness of software.
Incidentally, Thunderbird was renamed to Icedove.
It's pretty easy to find, really, since you can search Debian's package repository for "Thunderbird" in package descriptions, and it comes up as the first result.
(apt-get update && aptitude search thunderbird) yielded nothing, just like aptitude search firefox.
And if you want updated software, use testing, not stable. Stable is like Ubuntu's LTS releases. It's older software, because Debian Squeeze (stable) was released on June 25, 2011. Firefox 5 (not counting that short-lived version 4 POS.) was released on June 21, 2011.
Do you really expect them to get a new version modified as necessary, tested, bugfixed, tested again, and included in the distribution in 4 days?
While they could have been at 3.6, really, the differences between 3.5 and 3.6 are negligible.
I wanted stable after testing out Ubuntu 11.10beta1 (and will probably use Ubuntu 12.04 LTS next year). I figured that debian would have updated to Firefox (iceweasel) 3.6.x when Mozilla EOL'd 3.5 (before squeeze was released). Even RedHat is updating browser version numbers instead of backporting all patches.
Maybe you should learn WTF you're talking about before you make yourself sound like a fool again....
Sound advice. Strangely, I didn't say anything foolish. I merely admitted ignorance (didn't know what icedove was called). Everything else is explained above.
Everything that those scientists or their contemporaries might post to Wikipedia would be deleted because it would be first-hand knowledge. How dare someone who actually *knows* the people in question try to edit the bios; they're not Wikipedia insiders!
School officials say they are the first public school district in the country to give every kindergartner an iPad
This outweighs any consideration regarding cost or practicality. They're the FIRST. The FIRST! Doesn't that feel good?
Yeah. The fact that they know this means they researched it. The fact that they researched it means being first was probably what they wanted (and since someone else probably already gave them to 1st graders, kindergartners was the next logical step).
It's stalkerish, but it's not stalking. Stalking requires a physical presence (and in most states, a threat or threatening demeanor) that this case lacks.
And you have little probability of dealing with MS Office Macros?
I don't know. Do you?
Cheeky. How about an administrative assistant, paper pushers, or accountants? Plenty of people deal with programming type things. Concepts of loops (or conditional repetition) can be useful in a ton of blue collar jobs too. Once you start thinking that way, you can make a lot of things more efficient. Even in IT/sysadmin work, there's a clear divide between IT folk who just use GUIs and IT folk who can throw a quick script or two together. The first group might know quite a bit about best practices, etc. but the second group can manage thousands of tasks/computers at a time.
Programming is just as useful in today's world as mathematics
If you're talking about basic mathematics, then I'm going to disagree.
I'm a sysadmin. For basic arithmetic, I use a calculator or expr. Jenny at the cash register uses - the cash register. A lot of folk use rote memory for the really simple math; memory from before they were even in school. For my job, programming concepts (especially specific languages like C, perl, etc) are a godsend. For Jenny's job, programming concepts might seem out of place until she starts looking at the checkout lines and tries to imagine it being more efficient. For a lot of people, having some programming basics would help them know what a computer can and can't do (it doesn't have a wizard living inside it). The first course doesn't have to be all data structures and algorithmic orders of complexity either. Simple "this is a branch" "this is a loop" is good enough. If you don't mind spaghetti code, replace goto with the loop, and you don't even have to discuss functions.
I tried installing debian squeeze yesterday because I was having difficulty getting gnome-panel running perfectly with Ubuntu 11.10 Beta1. The installer is really nice compared to how it used to be, but I remembered why I switched after an hour of trying to get compiz to work and being annoyed that I couldn't find firefox or thunderbird in the repos (I remembered that iceweasel [3.5? WTF, update it already] was their re-skinned browser, but couldn't remember the new name for thunderbird). Debian is a modern teenage browser slamming doors and yelling "I HATE YOU!" at its parents.
No, they changed the definition of the crime itself to exclude violations of TOSes and similar. Read the amendment, it's like a whole paragraph of reading.. Or, ya know, just scream and cry that your rights are being violated reflexively.
I see nothing in the amendment that completely nixes violation of ToS from any and all lists of criminal activity found in the bill, only from the list of felony activities. Nor did I scream and cry like you believe I did; I posed a question, and expected a reasoned response. There is no legal version of justfinggoogleit.
Or, ya know, just reflexively scream and cry that others just scream and cry about their rights being violated.
Well, we'll have to reimagine the economy, but I like the idea of a future where we can all just lay on the beach (or wherever else you prefer to lay) and robots will take care of our every need.
Not every need. With food, shelter, entertainment, etc taken care of by robots, we'll have even more time to compete with each other for mates. I wonder how bloody that competition can become with robotic exoskeletons...
Maybe while we're at it, we can just put all the smart kids in the same classes as all the developmentally disabled kids. That should level the playing field a bit.
simply because increased profits by utilizing robots won't trickle down but make a small class richer. More people will be out of work and few people will become richer.
They can only become richer by selling their product to people. If there are large swathes of the population who can't afford to buy their widgets (because they've gone back to subsistence farming or something), then they'll just have a lot of robots that can build stuff but nothing worth building unless they want to stockpile the product.
With Improved Robotic Controls III, workers are able to be more productive. There won't ever be a point where humans aren't needed (even if only to research Improved Robotic Controls IV or be loaded into transports to try and capture a nearby enemy colony.
Even that wouldn't be too much of a threat. You would get a moderate fever, maybe some chills (a mild version of what happened in the story, except with a lot less foreign cells to kill), then you'd be fine. Might need a few-day hospital stay for monitoring, but likely nothing more.
No, for one, I Am Legand never happened. Two: the disease in I Am Legend was a bacillus stirred up into the air by dust storms, not some human experiment.
The proffered radios are expensive, overwhelmingly benefit one corp, and perform poorly in this terrain (the digital radios tend to be all or nothing; in much of rural MO, you can get a poor but comprehensible analog signal further, at least with current equipment).
But they work in New York City. Do you *want* more people to die from 9/11? That's what Obama is trying to prevent in this Steve Jobs bill. Think of the children's livers!
It doesn't reduce the nutritional value of the food I was previously given. That makes my food more valuable as long as I can preserve it. Almost like how older pennies are worth more than a cent just from material value.
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"DiscShatter" is better. Describes exactly what happens with half of the DVDs they send.
Debian renamed Firefox and Thunderbird because the Mozilla Foundation would allow a modified version to be called Firefox/Thunderbird. It was not Debian's decision to do this. Place the blame where it belongs.
And yet every other distro has Firefox and Thunderbird, even debian based ones... Debian doesn't use Firefox because Debian has some unreasonable bar set for judging the free-ness of software.
Incidentally, Thunderbird was renamed to Icedove. It's pretty easy to find, really, since you can search Debian's package repository for "Thunderbird" in package descriptions, and it comes up as the first result.
(apt-get update && aptitude search thunderbird) yielded nothing, just like aptitude search firefox.
And if you want updated software, use testing, not stable. Stable is like Ubuntu's LTS releases. It's older software, because Debian Squeeze (stable) was released on June 25, 2011. Firefox 5 (not counting that short-lived version 4 POS.) was released on June 21, 2011. Do you really expect them to get a new version modified as necessary, tested, bugfixed, tested again, and included in the distribution in 4 days? While they could have been at 3.6, really, the differences between 3.5 and 3.6 are negligible.
I wanted stable after testing out Ubuntu 11.10beta1 (and will probably use Ubuntu 12.04 LTS next year). I figured that debian would have updated to Firefox (iceweasel) 3.6.x when Mozilla EOL'd 3.5 (before squeeze was released). Even RedHat is updating browser version numbers instead of backporting all patches.
Maybe you should learn WTF you're talking about before you make yourself sound like a fool again....
Sound advice. Strangely, I didn't say anything foolish. I merely admitted ignorance (didn't know what icedove was called). Everything else is explained above.
Everything that those scientists or their contemporaries might post to Wikipedia would be deleted because it would be first-hand knowledge. How dare someone who actually *knows* the people in question try to edit the bios; they're not Wikipedia insiders!
School officials say they are the first public school district in the country to give every kindergartner an iPad This outweighs any consideration regarding cost or practicality. They're the FIRST. The FIRST! Doesn't that feel good?
Yeah. The fact that they know this means they researched it. The fact that they researched it means being first was probably what they wanted (and since someone else probably already gave them to 1st graders, kindergartners was the next logical step).
Modern humans and evolutionary predecessors... How did that funding proposal go? "I want to build a time machine to get it on with a proto-human"
It's stalkerish, but it's not stalking. Stalking requires a physical presence (and in most states, a threat or threatening demeanor) that this case lacks.
Tsunami hits Japan, Japan completely unprepared
They didn't even have a word for it!
Thanks for the explanation and the apology. Sorry for throwing the comment back at you. :)
And you have little probability of dealing with MS Office Macros?
I don't know. Do you?
Cheeky. How about an administrative assistant, paper pushers, or accountants? Plenty of people deal with programming type things. Concepts of loops (or conditional repetition) can be useful in a ton of blue collar jobs too. Once you start thinking that way, you can make a lot of things more efficient. Even in IT/sysadmin work, there's a clear divide between IT folk who just use GUIs and IT folk who can throw a quick script or two together. The first group might know quite a bit about best practices, etc. but the second group can manage thousands of tasks/computers at a time.
Programming is just as useful in today's world as mathematics
If you're talking about basic mathematics, then I'm going to disagree.
I'm a sysadmin. For basic arithmetic, I use a calculator or expr. Jenny at the cash register uses - the cash register. A lot of folk use rote memory for the really simple math; memory from before they were even in school. For my job, programming concepts (especially specific languages like C, perl, etc) are a godsend. For Jenny's job, programming concepts might seem out of place until she starts looking at the checkout lines and tries to imagine it being more efficient. For a lot of people, having some programming basics would help them know what a computer can and can't do (it doesn't have a wizard living inside it). The first course doesn't have to be all data structures and algorithmic orders of complexity either. Simple "this is a branch" "this is a loop" is good enough. If you don't mind spaghetti code, replace goto with the loop, and you don't even have to discuss functions.
Debian is a modern OS.
I tried installing debian squeeze yesterday because I was having difficulty getting gnome-panel running perfectly with Ubuntu 11.10 Beta1. The installer is really nice compared to how it used to be, but I remembered why I switched after an hour of trying to get compiz to work and being annoyed that I couldn't find firefox or thunderbird in the repos (I remembered that iceweasel [3.5? WTF, update it already] was their re-skinned browser, but couldn't remember the new name for thunderbird). Debian is a modern teenage browser slamming doors and yelling "I HATE YOU!" at its parents.
No, they changed the definition of the crime itself to exclude violations of TOSes and similar. Read the amendment, it's like a whole paragraph of reading.. Or, ya know, just scream and cry that your rights are being violated reflexively.
I see nothing in the amendment that completely nixes violation of ToS from any and all lists of criminal activity found in the bill, only from the list of felony activities. Nor did I scream and cry like you believe I did; I posed a question, and expected a reasoned response. There is no legal version of justfinggoogleit.
Or, ya know, just reflexively scream and cry that others just scream and cry about their rights being violated.
And the whole point of the amendment is that TOS violations won't be a felony.
But are they still a misdemeanor? ToS Violations might still be a crime even with this ammendment despite what the title here says.
I guess nobody plays MOO any more.
Well, we'll have to reimagine the economy, but I like the idea of a future where we can all just lay on the beach (or wherever else you prefer to lay) and robots will take care of our every need.
Not every need. With food, shelter, entertainment, etc taken care of by robots, we'll have even more time to compete with each other for mates. I wonder how bloody that competition can become with robotic exoskeletons...
Maybe while we're at it, we can just put all the smart kids in the same classes as all the developmentally disabled kids. That should level the playing field a bit.
That's what /. is for!
simply because increased profits by utilizing robots won't trickle down but make a small class richer. More people will be out of work and few people will become richer.
They can only become richer by selling their product to people. If there are large swathes of the population who can't afford to buy their widgets (because they've gone back to subsistence farming or something), then they'll just have a lot of robots that can build stuff but nothing worth building unless they want to stockpile the product.
With Improved Robotic Controls III, workers are able to be more productive. There won't ever be a point where humans aren't needed (even if only to research Improved Robotic Controls IV or be loaded into transports to try and capture a nearby enemy colony.
Even that wouldn't be too much of a threat. You would get a moderate fever, maybe some chills (a mild version of what happened in the story, except with a lot less foreign cells to kill), then you'd be fine. Might need a few-day hospital stay for monitoring, but likely nothing more.
As long as they aren't Reginald Barclay's T cells. http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Barclay's_Protomorphosis_Syndrome
No, for one, I Am Legand never happened. Two: the disease in I Am Legend was a bacillus stirred up into the air by dust storms, not some human experiment.
The proffered radios are expensive, overwhelmingly benefit one corp, and perform poorly in this terrain (the digital radios tend to be all or nothing; in much of rural MO, you can get a poor but comprehensible analog signal further, at least with current equipment).
But they work in New York City. Do you *want* more people to die from 9/11? That's what Obama is trying to prevent in this Steve Jobs bill. Think of the children's livers!
Spectrum auctions don't seem to get much more than £15 these days
Why buy at auction what sells cheaply otherwise?
http://www.80stees.com/products/Spectrum-MASK-Shirt.asp
It was the only reason.
where 'Programmers' Day' has been
UNMATCHED QUOTES!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Just be glad they weren't using LISP (because the parens would drive you mad :) ).
It doesn't reduce the nutritional value of the food I was previously given. That makes my food more valuable as long as I can preserve it. Almost like how older pennies are worth more than a cent just from material value.
Like the aliens from Galactica 1980?