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Modern Humans Bred With Evolutionary Predecessors In Africa
NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "Based on a new analysis of old skulls, it now appears that modern humans may have interbred with some earlier hominid species, suggesting that human evolution took a more complex path than previously thought. The study opines that modern humans lived side by side with the older species. Paleontologists disagree over the meaning of the findings, or whether they have any substantial significance at all."
Reminds me so much of this comic
Ancient humans got more action than the userbase of Slashdot.
That's not saying much
Ray Beckerman +5 Insightful
once again proving that all men are created horny.
ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
How do they draw this conclusion from a single fossil? Couldn't it have been a deformed human? There are still humans born with the occasional pre-humanoid traits, like tails.
If they didn't .. we wouldn't be here!
At least now we know where the Kardashians came from.
...the thought processes of such cultural collisions.
I imagine something like this, but the interaction would have been very interesting...
When you see your likeness, you are pleased. But when you see your images which came into being before you, and which neither die nor become manifest, how much you will have to bear!
--Darwin, um, yeah... Darwin, to get past the more-reflexive mods
~ Whence do you come, slayer of men, or where are you going, conqueror of space?
So Stan Gooch was right all along?
http://www.forteantimes.com/features/commentary/5176/the_doubly_divided_self.html
No surprise there.
Similar hypotheses have been suggested based on genetic evidence which suggested that humans and neanderthals interbred. See http://www.nhm.ac.uk/about-us/news/2010/may/first-genetic-code-of-neanderthal-reveals-inbreeding66724.html. In both cases, the work has been done by Chris Stringer who seems to focus a lot on this hypothesis. Stringer is a very respected anthropologist who was responsible for formulating a lot of the now accepted ideas about how homonids spread from Africa in successive waves of migrations.
Something tells me nerdy scientists aren't the best equipped for this field of study.
Don't complain about syntax, grammar, or spelling. There is no.hell like input on android.
They probably meant to say that modern humans bread with their evolutionary siblings.
I refuse to believe liberals and conservatives can interbreed. If there was a resulting hybrid offspring it would most certainly be sterile. There is a chance that one of the two known species of Homo Sapiens could interbred with the last remaining members of the Homo Centris sub species allowing extremist DNA to slowly migrate between the species. I haven't seen anything in Nature on the subject so I have my doubts.
Ever seen pics of Jane Goodall's kids?
NOPE.
Is that a nigger joke? They're still your ancestors either way, though.
That's not how you spell douche, douche bag.
Evolution is a trial and error process on a species-wide scale over the course of millennia.
The idea that evolution is a direct march from simple, primitive species to complex ones, with homo sapiens sitting proudly at the top of the heap, is a misconception that comes from a grade-school understanding of evolution.
You're an idiot.
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Doesn't this prove that previously believed-to-be-extinct species of humans aren't extinct at all? They're Grandma?
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Here is a blog post on a related topic http://goo.gl/K3dDG. We already have genetic proof of interbreeding with Neanderthals and Denisovans (more common in specific asian populations). There are also suggestions that all of this mixing is a lot more complicated than we ever thought and not even subject to single periods of time. Personally I find the fact that we are actually a mix of old divergent species really exciting and our genome is really a big twisted mystery just asking to be unraveled to find out where the hell parts of it came from.
Actually, that linkage would suggest I was ignorant. Not knowing the difference between ignorant and idiot might be more akin to idiocy than ignorance, though.
What more do you expect from someone who calls people "dude"?
Didn't these guys watch the last episode of the updated BSG?
... did they download copyrighted music to set the mood for their interspecies lovemaking?
+1 fashionably cynical
ps. not everyone is hip to the jive of the young'uns of the United states of Aaaaaaaaaaahmeeeeeeeeeeeeeericaaaah, biotch!
That explains how Cane and Abel had kids. When Adam and Even only had 2 sons.
So other then evolving from Monkeys we are inter-species hybrid of Monkeys. You know I think that is irreverent enough to get the evangelical christian nuts to support some elements of evolution. Vs accepting that we are descendants of a human monkey hybrid.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Ummm...maybe I don't remember my biology, but if they can interbreed doesn't it mean by definition they are members of the same species?
summary: modern africans are highly mixed with ancient african races. (yes, the bred with apes)
Discussion:
Our analysis indicates that Iwo Eleru possesses neurocranial morphology intermediate in shape between archaic hominins (Neanderthals and Homo erectus) and modern humans. This morphology is outside the range of modern human variability in the PCA and CVA analyses, and is most similar to that shown by LPA individuals from Africa and the early anatomically modern specimens from Skhul and Qafzeh. Iwo Eleru is distinct from the recent African samples used here (although the range of recent modern human variation encompasses relatively low and elongated cranial shapes approaching this condition). Past work has suggested that neurocranial shape reflects population history relatively reliably among modern human populations [14], [15]. Although we did not find unambiguous strong affinities between Iwo Eleru and the samples used here, its overall morphological similarities with early modern humans suggest a link to these early populations and possibly a late Middle-early Late Pleistocene chronology. Nonetheless, the archaeological setting, stratigraphy, previous radiocarbon [see 4] and our new U-series dating indicate a much younger, terminal Pleistocene age for this cranium. Such a late chronology for the Iwo Eleru cranium implies that the transition to anatomical modernity in Africa was more complicated than previously thought, with late survival of “archaic” features and possibly deep population substructure in Africa during this time.
Thus our restudy of the Iwo Eleru cranium confirms previously noted archaic cranial shape aspects, and the U-series age estimates on its skeleton support the previously proposed terminal Pleistocene date for this burial. Our findings also support suggestions of deep population substructure in Africa and a complex evolutionary process for the origin of modern humans [16], [17], [7], [18], [19], [20], [21]. Perhaps most importantly, our analysis highlights the dearth of hominin finds from West Africa, and underscores our real lack of knowledge of human evolution in that region, as well as others. As also indicated by restudy of the Ishango (Congo) fossils [22], Later Stone Age fossils from at least two regions of Africa retain significant archaic aspects in their skeletons. We hope that the next stage of this research will extend studies to the Iwo Eleru mandible and postcrania, and to comparative materials such as those from Ishango.
So someone really did bang an ape.
Yeah but with grog goggles (they didn't have beer back then) she looked like uh.....ok so she was a bit hairy.
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This reminds me of back in grade school when we'd have a section on genetic traits. There was always one kid who couldn't possibly have inherited all of his/her traits from both parents. (Eye color, hair color, blood type, etc.)
Humans from recorded history kept companions such as dogs and cats as pets.
This shows clear signs that they both shared beds and food with the animals so they most likely chose them as mates.
Also this giant "M" golden arch unearthed deems that they worshiped ancient Deity such as Ronald McDonald, a clown with face paint. Even more interesting is a giant purple god of consumption, labeled 'grimace'. Statues of this 'God of consumption' are found throughout the world proving that Grimace was worshiped on all hemispheres and major continents thousands of years ago.
I thought it was established that sex with monkeys in Africa was how HIV was introduced in humans. So now it's news that a human would have sex with something better than a monkey?
... that's how AIDS started.
Interbreeding, so simple a caveman can do it.
Perverts!
My other sig is extremely clever...
Africa was a business trip.
Honest.
Of course modern humans inbred with evolutionary predecessors. If they didn't, they wouldn't exist!
Seems like a scientific way of saying. "Zookeeper molesting Chimpanzees!"
if the two groups can interbreed and produce viable offspring that are fertile...are they really two different species? I'm sure the definition of a species can have some gray area, but I thought this was one of the defining features of the definition.
My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
Geez people. You guys need to read failblog.org more:
Bros:
http://bros.failblog.org/
"Bros"=/= black. Bros are the idiots that try to live like the cast of the Jersey Shore.
Must be nice to just make up whatever fits today's "findings". Who needs rigorous proof and facts anyway????
That's whom we get our erections from.
I've got an evolutionary ancestor IN MY PANTS!
H. Erectus?
Who's to say we didn't have sex with animals and other 'human-like' apes???
I don't know about you, but that "we" doesn't include me dawg :)
Adam and Eve had many sons and daughters, according to the book of Genesis.
Of course, it is still just a fiction.
There's been an avalanche of research published in the last year or so regarding these types of things, with a lot more scientific backing than the little bit I read in this article.
In one of many articles on the topic, this one raised a whole new series of questions about our ancestry:
Scientists unveil a newly-discovered, ancient human ancestor
Or check out these that all relate to different areas of genetic research, most empirical, one modeled, all relating supporting information about homo sapiens (that's us!) inbreeding with various offshoots and close relatives, with us apparently coming out the better? for it.
Neanderthal genes 'survive in us'
Sex with Neanderthals boosted human immunity
Neanderthals, Humans Interbred—First Solid DNA Evidence
Frontiers of Anthropology
Ancient DNA Reveals Secrets of Human History
Fossilised finger points to previously unknown group of human relatives
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
Which human would resist pre-humanoid pussy,
Go take a walk around Walmart
in the series finale to Battlestar Galactica?
It just me or is anyone else being oddly reminded of a certain Sci-Fi show? Six, Baltar, I salute you.
Scientist, and engineers are regarded as being faggy and weak. What really gets you props in today's world is being black and ape like. If you can strut nicely and pick up all the hotties you are the man. If you can't you are a fag. You are laughed at for being Asian, and having a small dick, or dancing like a white person. Generally what made us 'human' is derided, and laughed at. Muscles, and a cool swagger always get instant respect.
NOTE: This isn't a racist thing. I have respect for all the races, I am just sick of all the 'reverse racism' that is prevalent in the politically correct culture today. There is endless tolerance for what makes a black man black, there is no tolerance for being 'white'. Interestingly enough it is the whites who are the harshest critics of 'white culture'.
Races just need to get along. We are all human after all. Being white needs to stop being a bad word.
-"You are the whitest black man I know."
-Said by the wiggerest wigger I know.
Visit Mississippi and you can still do this today.
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." - Richard Dawkins, in The God Delusion
Also, Susan B. Anthony's "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.". However, if there actually was an omnipotent but obnoxious god, would the omnipotence require us to acquiesce to the obnoxiousness?
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
Modern humans and evolutionary predecessors... How did that funding proposal go? "I want to build a time machine to get it on with a proto-human"
Why I am reminded of Jean M Auel's books?
Geez, has someone been watching too much SyFy channel reruns?
That explains how Cane and Abel had kids. When Adam and Even only had 2 sons.
Dude -- you are not helping. Adam and Eve had *a lot* more children than two sons. At least twice that many offspring, in fact, because Genesis 4:25 states Adam fathered "sons and daughters," and a third son, Seth, is mentioned explicitly by name in both Genesis and Chronicles. And then there is the question of Lilith which weakens the exclusivity of the Adam/Eve relationship. If you are going to be snarky about the Christian nuts, at least be responsible enough to do the research first -- all you are doing right now is insulting yourself, and by extension, those of us who feel the same way as you do about religious nutbars.
Many people are perfectly willing to have sex with goats, sheep, cows ,mares, all manner of monkeys, primates even children of various ages and sexes without the aid of any goggles; our veneer of civilization is much thinner than most of us would like to admit. To think that human evolution didn't include genetic inputs from what ever was available is really egotistical, after all we have something like 30 copies of genes for reverse transcriptase, a retro-virus enzyme.
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Now we know why republican brains are wired differently and appear so paranoid.
Not clear on what you mean with the second sentence.
"Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
trace their ancestry to Neanderthals been already established?
MP1, the Digital Compact Cassette?
Is my wife one of the pre-humanoid pussy's? To me she is beautiful, has a wonderful personality and body, and is the mother of three great kids. Perhaps I am the pre-humanoid and she is the human.
I love her just the same either way, and I am fortunate enough to say if I could do it again, I would marry her again.
Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
A classic quote FTA:
"The researchers say their findings also underscore a real lack of knowledge of human evolution" ... "in the region"
Sorry. Couldn't help myself.
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