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PC Era Forecasted To End In 18 Months

dcblogs writes "In a historic shift, shipments of smartphones, tablets and other app-enabled devices will overtake PC shipments in the next 18 months, an event that may signify the end of the PC-centric era, market research firm IDC said. IDC said worldwide shipments this year of app-enabled devices, which include smartphones and media tablets such as the iPad, will reach 284 million. In 2011, makers will ship 377 million of these devices, and in 2012, the number will reach 462 million shipments, exceeding PC shipments. In 2012, there will be 448 million PC shipments. One shipment equals one device. PC sales will continue to climb, but will no longer rule."

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  1. Oh happy day by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 4, Funny

    This will probably mean the end of Microsoft as well.
    Likely the beginning of the Year of Linux on the desktop as well.

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    1. Re:Oh happy day by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Just because something changes from #1 to #2 doesn't mean that the era is at an end.

      Compare to radio stations - they are around and kicking even though TV, video and the internet has come.

      And someone that buys a phone/pad or whatever probably already has a PC.

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    2. Re:Oh happy day by RabbitWho · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right.. I feel like complaining about the fact that smart phones and ipads etc. ARE personal computers.. but then someone will punch me in the face.

    3. Re:Oh happy day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good grief, we do see comedy quite a bit here. Year of Linux.......
      Let's get rid of the geeky fanboyisms right now shall we?
      M$ is evil.
      Apple is for dumb people
      Google steals your identity
      Ubuntu will cure cancer and bring world peace to the desktop

      There, that should do it surely?

    4. Re:Oh happy day by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Yes, with PC sales continuing to clime MS will be very sad.

      Considering PC lifespan is 2-5 years, and smartphone 1-3, it would be about even when taking into account replacement rate i think.

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    5. Re:Oh happy day by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't get your hopes up. They're talking about shipments, not installed base.

      People pretty much stopped buying new PCs once they had a Core 2 Duo or faster. It isn't that no one is using PCs anymore, it's that no one is buying a new one because the old one is still plenty fast.

      Incidentally, you can expect the same thing to happen in phones in a couple of years. Once you have a phone which is fast enough to play video and has a battery that lasts all day, the biggest improvements are going to come as software update and you won't care about the hardware any more than you currently care whether you have a 2.6GHz CPU vs. a 3GHz CPU -- both are fast enough to do whatever so nobody cares anymore.

    6. Re:Oh happy day by treeves · · Score: 2

      I suppose that when they say "The era of X is over" they mean the era when X *is dominant* is over. They're not saying X will be no more. Yes, we still have radio, but it is no longer our primary means of receiving entertainment and news. (and hasn't been for quite a while). ...Or they're just finding a way to spin some numbers to make it dramatic.

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    7. Re:Oh happy day by Luyseyal · · Score: 1

      And World Community Grid.

      Just sayin...
      -l

      /IF, it happens at all. My PC makes a great space heater that saves humanity, even if nothing else.

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    8. Re:Oh happy day by RapmasterT · · Score: 1

      This will probably mean the end of Microsoft as well. Likely the beginning of the Year of Linux on the desktop as well.

      I'm feeling pretty optimistic about IPv6 too!

    9. Re:Oh happy day by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      Radio stations are certainly still around, but it's pretty clear it is no longer the "era of radio"

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    10. Re:Oh happy day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I'll punch them back for you. Double if they claim that Apple doesn't sell personal computers.

    11. Re:Oh happy day by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The year of Linux on the desktop is the same year the the Desktop becomes irrelevant.

      This isn't about the death of the Desktop, just as the Mainframe hasn't died yet either. It is a shift in usage.
      The Mainframe was widely used across orgs including many smaller companies then the PC (and PC based servers) had slowly replaced them leaving the mainframe reserved to large companies who need the big horse power. A lot of mainframe companies have died or been merged and became less relevant Prime, Digital, leaving IBM and HP to control that market.

      The PC will have a similar fate. It will loose the home market. and its job will be for more for jobs that take medium level number crunching (think excel sheets and basic DB stuff), and software development jobs.
      Probably Dell and Lenovo or HP.

      Are we going to loose something as home users... Yes. just as the small business lost out when they in essence downgraded from mainframes to Desktops... However they will gain features too, such as improved mobility, power savings, and better price.

      Is Microsoft going to be dead in a new Linux world order.
      Probably not. Right now Android is looking like it will become king. However the game for mobile is still rather early. Apple is still strong, Microsoft does have a reputation of coming in late in the game. And the GNU community does have a tendency step on its own feet and change its rules to fight off profitable use of GNU software that has any sort of lock-down.

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    12. Re:Oh happy day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy...you're RIGHT! Apple IS for dumb people....it all makes sense now!

    13. Re:Oh happy day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Phones are multifunction, but quite lacking in certain areas. Until they have decent cameras comparable to todays $200 quick-shot dedicated digital cameras, and proper 4G bandwidth, we'll be upgrading them every year or so.

      Apple know this, and this is why they hold back on each of their product releases. Their fans are guaranteed to update to the latest model. Heck, there's even women in this office with the iphone4 saying as soon as the white model is out, they're replacing their current one, just for the color! Nintendo have had quite some success with the DS range too. It's still a pile of antiquated crap, but the regular cosmetic changes has all the children wanting the latest model.

    14. Re:Oh happy day by space_jake · · Score: 1

      Yeah but a desktop stays pretty still all day. Only the keyboard and mouse get wear and tear and are easily replaced. I beat the shit out of my mobile phone so I'll probably need a new one every two years regardless of the upgrade cycle.

    15. Re:Oh happy day by A+Friendly+Troll · · Score: 1

      Right.. I feel like complaining about the fact that smart phones and ipads etc. ARE personal computers.. but then someone will punch me in the face.

      I'm not sure if this is the earliest example, but I had one of these babies and I might be biased...

      http://www.playretro.co.uk/hardware/sinclair_zx_spectrum_box.jpg

    16. Re:Oh happy day by Sancho · · Score: 2

      Once you have a phone which is fast enough to play video and has a battery that lasts all day, the biggest improvements are going to come as software update and you won't care about the hardware any more than you currently care whether you have a 2.6GHz CPU vs. a 3GHz CPU -- both are fast enough to do whatever so nobody cares anymore.

      Except that wireless providers are historically terrible at providing software updates. Apple bucked this trend a bit, and some Android phones have gotten one or two updates. Carriers are still the gatekeepers for the vast majority of phones, though. They want to sell new hardware, not provide new software.

    17. Re:Oh happy day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that made me laugh.

    18. Re:Oh happy day by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1

      well, if they discontinue support for XP at that time also (very likely) then it just might be. SOMETHING has to run on those P4's and celeron D's lol.

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    19. Re:Oh happy day by interval1066 · · Score: 1
      Off-topic, but I'm really curious;

      "Are we going to loose something as home users... Yes. just as the small business lost out when they in essence downgraded from mainframes to Desktops... "

      Small business 'lost out' when computing power grew by factors and at the same time became factors affordable and smaller? How in the world did ANYONE lose out on that deal? Except mainframe manufacturers?

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    20. Re:Oh happy day by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > They want to sell new hardware, not provide new software.

      Why? Software is cheaper and more likely to retain the customer. Services are more profitable than things. Offering the customer a free OS upgrade if they sign an new contract makes sense.

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    21. Re:Oh happy day by nuggz · · Score: 1

      Here in Canada the carriers retain customers with long term contracts, not service.

      Please don't give them the idea that they can charge for services like software upgrades.

    22. Re:Oh happy day by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      Somebody should build a anti-personnel computer.
      It could punch people in the face.

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    23. Re:Oh happy day by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Apple is cynical enough to do exactly what you describe, and unfortunately it works. They obviously held back on the iPad, and will be releasing a new one soon and their hipster fans will rush out to buy one. In the meantime, what piece of technology has advanced that they couldn't have included those features in the first iPad? Nothing. It's just a cynical ploy to take advantage of their gullible fanbase.

    24. Re:Oh happy day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, I will just mod you to hell and post as an AC. Enjoy.

    25. Re:Oh happy day by __aamnbm3774 · · Score: 1

      ...for now.

    26. Re:Oh happy day by flahwho · · Score: 1

      No really, the carrier$ don't care about your hardware or even thier$ for that matter. All they really care about i$ getting people to $ign tho$e two year contract$.

    27. Re:Oh happy day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also can't remember the last time a mobile phone lasted me 2 years before falling apart or being completely mangled.

    28. Re:Oh happy day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clock frequency hasn't mattered since the Pentium 4/Pentium 3/Athlon XP debacle - you can only compare across processor generations. Although "most people" just go with frequency, after a brief computer-troubleshooting conversation they can easily say: "Oh, I see the hard drive & memory are old so my computer is slow? what do you suggest?"

      People will stop using PCs as soon as these things calling themselves "not PCs" can do everything a PC currently does. If it has a USB host controller and display adapter*, you can functionally convert it into a thin client (connected to a cloud-server) or full blown PC.

      *USB can drive a display, but since there isn't a USB video out device class, driving a display isn't an intended design goal.

    29. Re:Oh happy day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This will probably mean the end of Microsoft as well.

      Likely the beginning of the Year of Linux on the desktop as well.

      Likely the year of the "What an Idiot you are". Grow Up.

    30. Re:Oh happy day by TomGreenhaw · · Score: 1

      But I cannot jump into a pool with a PC in my pocket. Turnover on phones will always be high because they are far more prone to physical abuse.

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    31. Re:Oh happy day by couchslug · · Score: 1

      My PC running BSD is dying twice over.

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    32. Re:Oh happy day by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Incidentally, you can expect the same thing to happen in phones in a couple of years.

      Not the shoddy way phones are manufctured. Mine's just over a year old and it needs replacement -- it only works on speakerphone mode now.

      You're always going to replace your phone more often than your desktop, unless Packard Bell goes back into business.

    33. Re:Oh happy day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Over the long haul, phones will still have a more rapid upgrade cycle - they get killed far more easily and at least in the US have that nice subsidy pushing you to upgrade. If/when the phone has a 10-20x sales lead, it might start to overtake PCs in usage.

    34. Re:Oh happy day by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Does this mean that I'll be able to get Duke Nukem Forever on my smartphone?

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    35. Re:Oh happy day by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      Wait, hasn't the Year Of Linux On The Desktop been every year since the late nineties? I read it somewhere.

    36. Re:Oh happy day by ksandom · · Score: 2

      I think you're under estimating how important fashion is to a large portion of the population. While us nerds may be lacking the sheep chromosone to some extent, it's alive and kicking in most people.

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    37. Re:Oh happy day by nahdude812 · · Score: 1

      They not only rely on contracts to retain customers (not satisfaction), but new contracts is a major metric - if not the primary metric - for most carriers in terms of their sales reports. Most stockholders care about growth, not profitability, and new contracts looks like growth (with very little, if any, attention paid to lost accounts)

    38. Re:Oh happy day by zmollusc · · Score: 1

      End of Microsoft, you surely jest! Windows phones will soon eclipse Android and iPhone.

      Microsoft are still recruiting shills, right?

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    39. Re:Oh happy day by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      Aside from the levity I don't think anything you said about Microsoft or Linux has any meaning. Linux has never declared it would have a year of the desktop (random commenter posts have granted you that bit of fodder, not industry proclamations). And, Microsoft will continue for some decades after it looses it's monopoly position.

      As far as the predicted 18 months go, well, that's about as corny a statement as could be made and I doubt anyone with an ounce of common sense would believe that.

      We have desktops for a reason and we have phones for a reason. Tablets and phones are limited use devices and are severely limited at performing the tasks of the desktop. If you believe otherwise you don't really use your desktop as anything more than a mechanism to play games or simple communication. To the vast majority of the world the desktop is a sophisticated tool capable of things that put the smart-phones to shame.

      The installed base argument has some merits while the argument about selling more units really has none. That's like saying the bicycle market will overtake the automotive market because more bicycles are sold. The entrenched base of installs has very limited applicability. PCs are designed to last significantly longer than a phone. Phones get beat up more. Phones have a life expectancy of around 2 years while the PC is expected to be 5+ years. Phones are useful only while on a contract, whereas the PC can be used without one. PC applications are significantly more robust and productive. The costs to operate a phone under contract is significantly higher than a PC (it doesn't have a contract). 3 years of contract for a cell phone at $100 a month equates to nearly $4,000 (including phone cost), whereas a PC can run out of the box and be productive with open source software.

      How can anyone believe the utter nonsense being bantered about? There are more important things for us to put our minds around instead of debating while waiting to see if PCs have a limited life as a driving force in the home and business.

      It's utter nonsense to conceive what the author postulated as being even remotely correct.

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    40. Re:Oh happy day by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      > They want to sell new hardware, not provide new software.

      Why? Software is cheaper and more likely to retain the customer. Services are more profitable than things. Offering the customer a free OS upgrade if they sign an new contract makes sense.

      Why would a customer want a free OS upgrade when you can get a whole new, latest-and-greatest phone with that new contract?

    41. Re:Oh happy day by blhack · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm out of the ordinary, but I've never replaced a phone because it was out of date, I've only ever replaced it when it breaks.

      I doubt any of my desktop machines would still be crunching if they got banged up against my keys in my pocket for 16 hours a day.

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    42. Re:Oh happy day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Haha, but I can!
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    43. Re:Oh happy day by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 1

      And all those tablets, phones and flying cars will be running GNU Hurd.

    44. Re:Oh happy day by Facegarden · · Score: 1

      Once you have a phone which is fast enough to play video and has a battery that lasts all day, the biggest improvements are going to come as software update and you won't care about the hardware any more than you currently care whether you have a 2.6GHz CPU vs. a 3GHz CPU -- both are fast enough to do whatever so nobody cares anymore.

      Except that wireless providers are historically terrible at providing software updates. Apple bucked this trend a bit, and some Android phones have gotten one or two updates. Carriers are still the gatekeepers for the vast majority of phones, though. They want to sell new hardware, not provide new software.

      That's why I will do my best to avoid buying phones from wireless providers. I got a Nexus One as soon as I could and have loved it ever since. I get the best updates asap and never have to deal with carrier BS. I can even tether for free, without any hacking! I love it. The Nexus S will be in the same boat, though personally I have more faith in HTC hardware than Samsung. I also feel that the lack of MicroSD was a terrible decision. But the "Nexus" brand as an idea is great. Google came forward yesterday with clarified branding - "Nexus" means a pure unadulterated google experience, free from carrier BS. I like that.
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    45. Re:Oh happy day by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      More likely, the year Steve Jobs declares himself President For Life and begins a reign of terror that makes the French Revolution look benign.

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    46. Re:Oh happy day by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      That's what I don't get. Carriers should not want to constantly make customers buy new hardware because they subsidize this new hardware. On the contrary, they should keep the customer on their first phone for as long as possible so that once the phone's cost has been absorbed by the monthly fees, they can pocket those fees directly. It only makes sense. Rolling out software updates which have already been coded and designed by hardware manufacturers at no extra cost should be a lot cheaper than subsidizing hundreds/thousands/tens of thousands of new phones every once in a while.

    47. Re:Oh happy day by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Somebody should build a anti-personnel computer. It could punch people in the face.

      That would be a personal computer with a flavor of Vista installed?

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    48. Re:Oh happy day by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      Not ones dumb enough to work for free, so make sure they think of that as an "audition".

    49. Re:Oh happy day by treeves · · Score: 1

      Really? A lot of people are on contracts and every two years their provider says "Hey, you can get a new phone for free if you renew your contract. Which one do you want?" and they say "cool, what are my options?" etc. etc.

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    50. Re:Oh happy day by w0mprat · · Score: 1

      The end of the existing paradigm does not bode well for the competition to that paradigm. Linux has taken decades to try conquer the desktop, it has missed it's chance.

      One battle lost. However, Linux has is winning the smartphone market, having taken down iOS with the explosive growth of Android, and will inevitably do the same with tablets.

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    51. Re:Oh happy day by w0mprat · · Score: 2

      Once you have a phone which is fast enough to play video and has a battery that lasts all day, the biggest improvements are going to come as software update and you won't care about the hardware any more than you currently care whether you have a 2.6GHz CPU vs. a 3GHz CPU -- both are fast enough to do whatever so nobody cares anymore.

      Except that wireless providers are historically terrible at providing software updates. Apple bucked this trend a bit, and some Android phones have gotten one or two updates. Carriers are still the gatekeepers for the vast majority of phones, though. They want to sell new hardware, not provide new software.

      All hope is not lost. If you have an Android phone it's only a matter of time before you root your handset go for a aftermarket ROM - probably when your warranty runs out in 12 months. Ironically the community builds of Android are often highly stable and usable sometimes less buggy than carrier software, and you get the latest and greatest features and performance. I have a HTC Magic running Android 2.2, this is hardware that was abandonded by HTC in late 2009 with no further than version 1.6, and it runs sweetly.

      You tend to get a stable release every month, or you could update to nightly builds if you like self-torture. That's per ROM, there's a huge range of aftermarket OS builds. Admittedly it's a minefield, and it's not for the novice tech user, but anyone who's installed Windows or changed a hard drive is probably the right technical level.

      Point is, where the carriers let Android users down, the OSS community has done a fucking awesome job of keeping old handsets upgraded.

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    52. Re:Oh happy day by Z34107 · · Score: 1

      Sir, I believe this means fisticuffs.

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    53. Re:Oh happy day by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      Linux at no time has ever tried to conquer the desktop. Linux has undertaken the goal of becoming a premier alternative to Windows. And there are reasons no one has been able to capture more than a few percent of the desktop market. The primary reason is that Microsoft is a monopolist. They earned this in a not so honest way. In fact, they were ruled a monopolist that used criminal monopolistic predatory practices to get there.

      What Linux has done is become the heart of an endless array of devices. As well, Linux has roughly 5% of the market for desktop use, more than 90% of the super computer market, and over 50% of the server market.

      I think you have no idea what Linux has accomplished in the past 5 years. Nearly 100 million people world-wide use desktop Linux. That equates to 1/3 the population of the US.

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    54. Re:Oh happy day by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      Hear hear. Bout time someone said it like it is.

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    55. Re:Oh happy day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree. But when consumers will care less in the hardware there will be no other way than to work in trying to provide more and better/new software. And I guess, companies sticking to their own OS and frameworks like Nokia, will benefit from that.

    56. Re:Oh happy day by stu72 · · Score: 1

      Telco's have no interest in selling new hardware except as a means to attract new subscribers. Most smartphones sold in North America are heavily subsidized by the carrier, meaning they *lose* money every time they "sell" a new phone. The only people in North American telcos who will be upset at the loss of the upgrade imperative will be their marketing department - they'll lose their easiest grab on people's attention.

    57. Re:Oh happy day by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
      You are correct of course, but I think that there is a psychological thing going on. The user is always looking for something new and shiny, and around the time the typical contract is up, they might be bored with their phones. So it's a trip to the Verizon or AT&T store, and there ya go - new shiny smartphone.

      I'd even suspect that most phones lifetime is measured by how long the battery lasts before failing to hold a charge as long as it did when it was new. So we treats uselves to a new phone.

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    58. Re:Oh happy day by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      I hear it's going to ship with Duke Nukem Forever as a standard install.

    59. Re:Oh happy day by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      This will probably mean the end of Microsoft as well. Likely the beginning of the Year of Linux on the desktop as well.

      Oh you Linux fanboys have been predicting this for years. Me, I'm not so sure

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    60. Re:Oh happy day by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Microsoft does have a reputation of coming in late in the game.

      Huh? What? You do realize that Microsoft has a smart phone since the beginning of smart phones? MS beat out Android and Apple for smart phones, their latest release just happened to come out after Apple and Android started gaining traction.

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  2. I dunno, man by Pojut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even if smartphones and such sell more than their larger counterparts, I still don't see it happening that quickly. There's still a lot to be said of the experience of using a "PC" rather than an "app device", regardless of the equal or disparate capabilities between them.

    An example is writing...I'm not going to write on a bluetooh-keyboard-connected iPad for the same reason I wouldn't write on a netbook or a laptop; I need to feel centered, to feel like "OK body and mind, we're sitting down, and we're writing." I don't see being able to duplicate that feeling with an "app" device.

    1. Re:I dunno, man by sgage · · Score: 1

      Well said, Pojut.

    2. Re:I dunno, man by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, but Pojut is doing it wrong. He's writing. He's not consuming. Content creation by anyone other that the Media (big M) is so last century and more to the point

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    3. Re:I dunno, man by khr · · Score: 1

      I'm sure some writers probably said (and probably still do) the same thing about switching from typewriters to word processors... Or pens to typewriters... Things'll change...

    4. Re:I dunno, man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if smartphones and such sell more than their larger counterparts, I still don't see it happening that quickly. There's still a lot to be said of the experience of using a "PC" rather than an "app device", regardless of the equal or disparate capabilities between them.

      An example is writing...I'm not going to write on a bluetooh-keyboard-connected iPad for the same reason I wouldn't write on a netbook or a laptop; I need to feel centered, to feel like "OK body and mind, we're sitting down, and we're writing." I don't see being able to duplicate that feeling with an "app" device.

      Another example is... writing... I'm not going to write on a rectangular pad with buttons containing alphabetic characters connected to a box and television screen via wires. I need to feel centered, to feel like, "OK body and mind, we're sitting down, and we're putting pen to paper." I don't see being able to duplicate that feeling with a "computer" device.

    5. Re:I dunno, man by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      It kind of ignores the fact that people generally replace their phones every two years at most. A decent PC can last 5, even 10 years these days if the user isn't interested in games. So, by default phone sales are going to be at least 2x higher than PC sales, even if people spend more time and money on their PCs.

    6. Re:I dunno, man by baxissimo · · Score: 1

      Nobody's saying PCs will go away any time soon (well, except maybe that sensationalist headline). But you have to ask yourself how many people have that same need you do, versus the number that, say, need to play Angry Birds? And even people who do need to write a lot, what is the balance of time spent in that activity vs more casual comsumption activities? If the aggregate demand for casual experiences outstrips that for serious productivity experiences, then it stands to reason devices that cater to the former will eventually outnumber those that target the latter.

    7. Re:I dunno, man by nlawalker · · Score: 1

      I agree. Pen and paper, tablets, smartphones, etc. are all portable, but civilization still has desks, offices and workplaces for a reason.

    8. Re:I dunno, man by xs650 · · Score: 1

      Or clay tablets to papyrus.

    9. Re:I dunno, man by Pojut · · Score: 1

      I'm refering more to my surroundings.

      Example: The desk you see in this picture is where I write, typically while my wife is either watching or playing something on the TV. Pay attention to what is immedeatly within my vicinity when sitting there:

      -Two walls
      -Two monitors
      -A large trackball (a Kensington Expert, to be precise)
      -My PC Tower
      -Posters, pictures, etc.
      -A desk

      Seeing these things displayed in front of me, filling my field of vision, really help to put me where I need to be. Having the actual monitors (as opposed to a tablet's or notebook's screen), the big trackball, the full-size keyboard...I'm not really sure how to describe it exactly, but for some reason having all that around me makes writing MUCH easier. I find I get distracted if I'm trying to write on a netbook or a laptop.

      I can't really explain it, it's just the way it feels to use a "PC" rather than an "app device" or a laptop. ::shrug:: Wish I could give it more justice than that, but there it is.

    10. Re:I dunno, man by lilo_booter · · Score: 1

      There's nothing stopping anyone manufacturing a docking device which holds a portable device and extends it with keyboard, mouse and displaying on a decent sized monitor. The difference is that you're free to use it in other ways too.

    11. Re:I dunno, man by michael_cain · · Score: 1

      ...still has desks, offices and workplaces for a reason.

      Yep. Pundits talk like most people are purely consumers of content, not creators. At least in the white-collar world, though, almost everyone is a content creator when they're at work. It may be short-lived content with an audience of only a handful of people, but I don't think people will be happy if told that they need to prepare that six-page spreadsheet on their smartphone. A tablet or a smartphone may be a useful and valuable adjunct to a PC, but for a lot of people it's not a replacement.

    12. Re:I dunno, man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm refering more to my surroundings.

      Example: The desk you see in this picture is where I write, typically while my wife is either watching or playing something on the TV. Pay attention to what is immedeatly within my vicinity when sitting there:

      -Two walls -Two monitors -A large trackball (a Kensington Expert, to be precise) -My PC Tower -Posters, pictures, etc. -A desk

      Seeing these things displayed in front of me, filling my field of vision, really help to put me where I need to be. Having the actual monitors (as opposed to a tablet's or notebook's screen), the big trackball, the full-size keyboard...I'm not really sure how to describe it exactly, but for some reason having all that around me makes writing MUCH easier. I find I get distracted if I'm trying to write on a netbook or a laptop.

      I can't really explain it, it's just the way it feels to use a "PC" rather than an "app device" or a laptop. ::shrug:: Wish I could give it more justice than that, but there it is.

      Do you ever re-read all of this and think, "hey maybe I'm just anal"? If you wanted, you could get over that, but you seem disinclined.

      Everything must be JUST SO. So no laptops for you then. Ok, that's cool, but damn I'm glad most of this market is driven by people who can adapt to new devices.

    13. Re:I dunno, man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My home computer is from 2003, and I *am* interested in games. I was going to get a new one in order to play Starcraft II, but I lost interest in it because of Blizzard's no-LAN policy (not to mention the activation check).

      I still spend a lot of time playing games, but it's Starcraft 1 instead of 2, Civ 3 instead of Civ 5, etc.

    14. Re:I dunno, man by fermion · · Score: 1
      So it is like a typewriter. Some houses had them, some didn't. Most businesses had them. If a household did have a typewriter, it was often not regularly replaced.

      I think what we are talking about is households upgrading PCs for personal use. A family may have one or more PCs, but they will upgrade less often. I myself have been upgrading every couple years, but my workhorse machine is likely not going to be upgraded in the near future as I buy mobile devices.

      In that way the era of selling huge number of PCs, and the race to add features to PCs to encourage families to upgrade, may be over. We may be seeing the same thing with consoles. It may be that families will concentrate on personal portable devices that can do 80% of what a PC can do. Sort of like when we moved from desktop to laptop machine, but much more drastic as the technology backbone is likely to be more dramatically effected.

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    15. Re:I dunno, man by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

      Then, if you could just extend it with more memory, a hard drive, and a faster CPU, it would be almost as useful as a PC!

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    16. Re:I dunno, man by CornflakeJustice · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's actually pretty reasonable. App devices are designed for function, but they tend to be oriented towards quick bursts of something. EX: iOS games are largely built to be a quick serving here, a quick serving there. But sitting at a desk to work just 'feels' more like you're doing something to be productive. I love my fancy app infested phone, if I have a moment of brilliance and self actualization I can make a quick note on it, but if I want to really expound on that idea a workspace is better suited towards actual working.

    17. Re:I dunno, man by XLazarusX · · Score: 1

      I think that's the direction things will go once tablets are as powerful as office PCs, but that day is not today.

    18. Re:I dunno, man by Pojut · · Score: 1

      Not at all...it's being surrounded by objects that pertain to what I'm doing that's important, not necessarily the objects themselves or their placement.

      A laptop is all-inclusive, whereas a desktop PC has wires, monitors, a tower, etc. Seeing it butt-up against a wall that is also covered in objects that spark creativity and imagination play a role as well.

      Again, it's these things being present, not the placement, that matters.

    19. Re:I dunno, man by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      the experience of using a PC... stuck at a desk in front of a monitor. Yum.

      The smartphone experience on the other hand is not only mobile, but with a bluetooth keyboard (or voice recognition) and the phone plugged into your big TV screen. For the drones in the office, I can't see the PC being replaced anytime soon, but the home casual user - its gone, and for the gamer type in his bedroom, he's got that TV in there already, and for the salesman and manager and marketing types, that smartphone offer is irresistable.

      The devices are getting as powerful as PCs anyway, dual-core CPUs and lots of flash RAM with a permanent network connection. These have more power than my old PC had just 5 years ago, and that's the big factor here that make it different this time - you no longer need a PC.

      So, although its a self-serving article, don't think that times aren't changing.

    20. Re:I dunno, man by lilo_booter · · Score: 1

      Don't think they need to be *that* powerful to do what most people need - certainly not in order to cater for the suggested needs of the OP here. But agreed, not completely there yet.

    21. Re:I dunno, man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I understand. I moved in with my girlfriend and gave up the desk with a monitor, etc. for a TV tray and a laptop on the couch. Now I get fuckall done.

    22. Re:I dunno, man by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      So a bigger Palm is a Jobsian work of genius? Their Pilot PDAs were just small tablets running an OS specifically designed for the form factor, after all. Even Apple's Newton didn't run the same OS as the Mac.

      There are actually pros and cons to a general OS on a tote-along device. It's really the interface that makes the big difference and not the OS as a whole. Having apps that run against the same services and libraries at home and on the road is actually a good thing (unless you run the app store). Having an interface that matches your hardware is good, too. Having a whole new OS just because the interface changes is not necessarily good.

    23. Re:I dunno, man by AshtangiMan · · Score: 1

      I can relate. It's not as much about the computer itself (though I've never been able to be as satisfied with a laptop/docking station), it's about the layout of the useful parts (monitor, keyboard, mouse). The workstation environment is not what the tablet is made for though, and in other settings I can see that being really nice (as the witty replier said, when I am consuming rather than creating).

    24. Re:I dunno, man by HermMunster · · Score: 2

      Most of the computers I have run Linux, even those that are entitled to a license of WinXP and Vista. My phone system runs Linux. It runs Trixbox and integrates with Google Voice and Sipgate. My entertainment system runs Linux attached to a 47" LCD TV. On it I have Ubuntu and XBMC installed. My Pogoplug V2 runs Linux. I use it as my primary UPNP server (even my XBMC sees it as a UPNP device while XBMC itself also operates as a UPNP device), as well as sharing files on the internet . Both my XBOX360 and my PS3 connect to the Pogoplug. My phone runs Android which is Linux. My GPS runs Linux. My servers in the back all run Linux. My diagnostic workstations run Linux and are used to clean viruses, test hardware, back up and restore data.

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    25. Re:I dunno, man by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      I think you'll see navigation change from the mouse to a device similar in concept to the Kinect. I bought one not to use with my XBOX360 but to use when the configuration is thoroughly vetted in Linux.

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    26. Re:I dunno, man by Francofille · · Score: 1

      Word processors did a better job than typewriters. Typewriters did a better job than pens. The new technologies improved use over the old ones.

      A smart phone is not better at making clear continuous phonecalls than a landline. An ipad is not better at web browsing than a desktop. Neither gadget is a better camera, graphing calculator, alarm clock, dictionary, pen, translator, text input device, audio player, video player, or battery than any of its traditional counterparts.

      The only thing going for the gadgets is that they are highly mobile, however there are big trade-offs. It's harder to do just about anything and therefore it encourages the user to be passive in every interaction. It also allows us to be disrupted and disrupt others at any time or place. It also makes it very easy to fragment our attention. A whole generation is growing up taking all this negative conditioning for granted; it's just a way of life.

  3. Hype by recoiledsnake · · Score: 2

    First, the report talks about devices sold, not the installed base, in which PCs will have a very big lead for the foreseeable future. Phones have long sold better than PCs. Also, do you know anyone that just uses smartphones and tablets but never PCs or laptops? Didn't think so.

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    1. Re:Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Phones have long sold better than PCs.

      As this article quite clearly states, no they haven't. Unless you mean phones in general and not smartphones, in which case you might as well mention that toilet paper has also long sold better than PCs.

    2. Re:Hype by GiveBenADollar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I for one have three bikes at home and only two cars, does that mean that the era of the car is over at my house? I really tire of these slanted news articles that crumble with the slightest application of common sense.

    3. Re:Hype by ifrag · · Score: 1

      And no consideration of how many of those devices are new users compared to existing users just upgrading to the next version. Maybe the typical lifetime of these devices is shorter than a PC. PC's are typically upgradeable where these devices are usually just the package deal, so not every PC user looking to expand their capabilities need buy a new PC.

      Besides, there's not even netcraft confirmation! Clear proof the PC is not dying.

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    4. Re:Hype by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Yeah, yeah.

      Laptops have been selling better than desktops for about 3 years now, but it hasn't killed the desktop usefulness. Likewise I doubt phones or tablets can replace the need for desktops.

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    5. Re:Hype by Sancho · · Score: 2

      Also, do you know anyone that just uses smartphones and tablets but never PCs or laptops? Didn't think so.

      I come damned close, though, in my personal life. At work, I have to use a keyboard to get anything done (though conceivably, I could use an iPad connected to a bluetooth keyboard.) Most of my computer use at home is fairly light and based on consuming content, and as such, an iPad is perfect except for two little problems:

      1) The iPad currently requires the use of a computer at least once (to activate) and any time you want to back it up. I think this will eventually be addressed, but it hasn't been high on Apple's priority list.

      2) Flash (which is becoming less and less of a problem.)

      My Android phone has neither of these problems, and in fact the only time it connects to a PC is to charge. It has practically replaced my laptop for day-to-day, out-of-the-house/office usage.

    6. Re:Hype by rhathar · · Score: 1

      Although, toilet paper is probably more ubiquitous than PCs. Just not necessarily among the geek crowd.

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    7. Re:Hype by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      Looks like CmdrTaco has gone full retard today. The OMG KDE IS DIEING story, and this?

    8. Re:Hype by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Slashdot makes this same mistake every single time a story like this goes on the front page. Every time.

      The report is from a marketing firm. Their audience is other marketing types who make reports to business types. That lot is concerned about growth because growth is where they can make money. Selling things in markets that are growing faster than competition can enter, which means profit margins can stay comfortably high.

      Once growth falls off and capacity catches up, things get competitive. Margins dwindle and the kinds of companies that pay people to read marketing reports can no longer survive.

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    9. Re:Hype by interval1066 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Everybody knows you never go full retard.

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    10. Re:Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laptops have been selling better than desktops for about 3 years now.

      Does that include PCs ordered for businesses? Or only home use?

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    11. Re:Hype by heckler95 · · Score: 1
      Agreed... further support of your point that this is just hype:
      • Phones are typicaly single-user devices while PCs are often shared among a household.
      • The 2-year lifecycle dictated for phones by wireless contracts inflates these statistics quite a bit compared to the more "optional" lifespan of a computer
      • Over the last 5-10 years, the gap between an "average" PC/laptop and the hardware requirements needed to run the latest version of Windows has shrunk significantly. (Remember having to upgrade your hardware to handle Win95/98, and then again to handle XP? Windows 7 was actually a step backward in terms of hardware requirements from Vista)
    12. Re:Hype by rezalas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to mention PC just means Personal Computer, which is what phones are becoming. I wouldn't say that the PC will ever die, but new hardware trends will emerge over time and old technologies will be overtaken by newer more efficient ones. The Modern Desktop (what they call a PC) is a far cry from what it once was in the beginning and is hardly recognisable in some forms. The truth is that we're moving closer to having one set of portable PCs (smart phones) and a non-portable home-based central network (the Desktop) that controls all of your media. This might be the modern desktop, a new derivative, or it might be the xbox360/PS3 two more generations down the road. But to say that the 'PC' is dead or it's era is coming to an end is short sighted at best.

    13. Re:Hype by BungeBash · · Score: 0

      Exactly! I'm not sure what all they take into account, but my smartphone doesn't replace my computer. Also, what about how a lot of people build their own PC's. I can't build my own laptop (currently). So this "news" story is being slated as ground breaking when maybe hey... I built my computer last year and it's time for me to buy a laptop/netbook/Definitely not iPad to go along with the whole setup.

    14. Re:Hype by shadowfaxcrx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thank you.

      Of course non-PC devices are selling faster than PC's right now. Almost everyone already has a PC, so there isn't a large group going out in the same time period to buy one. The same can't be said about tablets and smartphones.

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    15. Re:Hype by smi.james.th · · Score: 2

      Agreed. The other thing to consider here is that while someone might buy a new cellphone every year or two, or possibly more frequently if you're in the habit of breaking or losing it, a PC tends to be a bigger investment, possibly lasting up to 5 years, so naturally the number of units shipped per year would be lower.

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    16. Re:Hype by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      I really tire of these slanted news articles that crumble with the slightest application of common sense.

      At least all the yammering about "the cloud" seems to have decreased. I thought they'd never shut up about how computers were going to disappear completely. And it's been a while since I heard anyone proclaim that games were completely dead and downloadable content on the wii was going to be the only thing you'd be able to buy in a month.

    17. Re:Hype by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The car era will never be over because it's really hard to make out in the back of a bicycle. Likewise, the PC era will never be over because it's really hard to fap to a video on a 4 inch screen.

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    18. Re:Hype by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Although, toilet paper is probably more ubiquitous than PCs.

      That's because it is usually much higher quality.

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    19. Re:Hype by sexconker · · Score: 1

      The car era will never be over because it's really hard to make out in the back of a bicycle. Likewise, the PC era will never be over because it's really hard to fap to a video on a 4 inch screen.

      4 inches?
      POV videos would be DOUBLE life size for CmdrTaco!

    20. Re:Hype by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Let's see, Tablet editing of photos..... Sucks big time.... check.
      Tablet editing video of your dog eating a cracker.... sucks big time.... check.
      Tablets and phones have insanely small storage space.... so you cna store anything really.... check.
      Surfing facebook and youtube on tablet and phone..... sucks big time.... check.
      Onlinebanking on Tablet and phone..... some work, some really suck.... check.

      Oh yeah, PC's are doomed! Everyone's going to stop buying them.... Plus what dork would use a keyboard and mouse to play a FPS when you can drag your fingers all over a screen to do it.... Gaming is also dead on the PC! Long live the tablets!!!!

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    21. Re:Hype by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My last phone cost $590.00

      My last laptop was $750.00
      My last PC , Quad Core i5 with 8 gig ram... was $699.99

      PC is a bigger investment? It's less than 20% more than the freaking phone if you buy the phone at the cheapest rate, It's 1/2 the price of the phone if you are dumb and subsidize it through the cellphone carrier. iPhone though AT&T is $299+$1500.00 over the next 2 years.

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    22. Re:Hype by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      The other thing to consider here is that while someone might buy a new cellphone every year or two, or possibly more frequently if you're in the habit of breaking or losing it, a PC tends to be a bigger investment

      Not any more. The newest iPhone costs over $650 here. The last computer I put together cost $500.

    23. Re:Hype by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Also, what is a "PC"? Do they count laptops and netbooks as PCs or "mobile and tablet computing" devices?

      The last paragraph makes me think they're full of shit and other marketspeak. "Cloud computing will also expand. Public cloud services will grow by 30% in 2011, rising to $28.7 billion worldwide."

    24. Re:Hype by smi.james.th · · Score: 2

      Ok, if you want to play that game...

      My current phone cost me the equivalent of about $120.

      My current computer on the other hand, when I bought it anyway, cost something closer to $400 or $500 IIRC, and it's lasted about 5 years so far. I've been through about three phones in the same amount of time.

      Granted, they've not been iPhones or Blackberries, but they're running Symbian so technically they do count as smartphones. My point stands, though, I go through phones much faster than PCs, so just to account for me over the last 5 years, manufacturers have had to ship 0.667 units of phones annually but only 0.2 units of PCs. I still use my PC more though.

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    25. Re:Hype by KhabaLox · · Score: 1

      It's 1/2 the price of the phone if you are dumb and subsidize it through the cellphone carrier. iPhone though AT&T is $299+$1500.00 over the next 2 years.

      If you include your connection cost for the phone, then you need to include the connection cost for your PC. I'm sure you pay less for broadband to your house than you do for 3G for your phone, but you still need to compare apples to apples.

      And if it's "not dumb" to buy an unsubsidized phone, what is the not dumb way to get connectivity for it, and how much do you pay for it?

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    26. Re:Hype by smi.james.th · · Score: 1

      Ok, I'll concede that point, as I've done already when someone made a similar statement.

      Think about how quickly you'd replace each of those things though. A PC will typically be in use much longer than any phone.

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    27. Re:Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I buy a new Phone every 12 to 18 months. I buy a new computer every 24 to 36 months. I don't know anybody who has a tablet and not a phone. I makes sense that these categories combined will outsell PCs.

    28. Re:Hype by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      the ignorance is also about the report failing to understand that phones and PC's are entirely separate markets and not even remotely linked. You don't carry PC's with you in your pocket - that means keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc.

      This is like saying that (X product will lose dominance) due to (y product in a separate market).

    29. Re:Hype by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Oh, yes, we're definitely agreed on that point. Although, with a $650 price tag, I wouldn't be replacing my phone "every year or two", either :) More realistically the phone might last 2-3 years, while the computer would be good for 4-5, or longer depending on what it's being used for.

    30. Re:Hype by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Might be that way for you, but my PC costs, even including the phone payment plan and all, almost five times what my phone costs me.

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    31. Re:Hype by EdZ · · Score: 3, Funny

      Although, toilet paper is probably more ubiquitous than PCs.

      And this is surprising how? Everyone knows that populated PCBs really chafe, even with SMT components only.

    32. Re:Hype by smi.james.th · · Score: 1

      Although, with a $650 price tag, I wouldn't be replacing my phone "every year or two", either :)

      True. I'm used to much cheaper phones though, as I said elsewhere, my phone at the moment is about $120 worth, so I won't mind replacing it sooner than you will your $650 one. I hardly use a phone except for phoning, the one fancy feature that I do have is GPS for in case I get lost, so I don't really see myself spending lots and lots of money on a device that I hardly use, although I need to have it. Hence, replacing it more frequently isn't such a problem.

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    33. Re:Hype by Chyeld · · Score: 0

      If it's an iPhone, you may not want to replace it every year or two, but you can damn well bet on the fact that Apple will be doing everything in it's power to push you into doing so regardless.

      Apple didn't become the Saint of Obsolescence by playing fair with its products.

    34. Re:Hype by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "I really tire of these slanted news articles that crumble with the slightest application of common sense."

      The era of non-crumbly news articles is dying.

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    35. Re:Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one have three bikes at home and only two cars, does that mean that the era of the car is over at my house? I really tire of these slanted news articles that crumble with the slightest application of common sense.

      C'mon... really??? That's the best analogy you can come up with? I know a LOT of people who own bikes, and they all sit there collecting dust. People who buy tablets, smartphones, etc... actually use them.. and use them A LOT. If people who bought bikes actually used them to commute back and forth to work and get groceries, then.. and only then would your terrible analogy have some merit. But alas.. it does not.

    36. Re:Hype by ksandom · · Score: 1

      While maybe not for everyone, there is value in seeing and discussing what other markets are doing and thinking since their descisions in their market will affect ours.

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    37. Re:Hype by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      It's total sales. The tipping point was reached for Apple about 18 months before the rest of the industry, so the flip probably happened for home users before it happened overall given Apple's small presence in the corporate market.

      Given that the latest phones can drive an HDTV via HDMI output, and can support a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, they seem like a logical step. In a couple of years, I expect mobile phones will be more powerful than my current (four year old) laptop. They're already more powerful than my mother's desktop, and that's fast enough for everything she does. I suspect that, for her, the ability to put the computer in a pocket and take it anywhere would be more valuable than the extra speed of a new laptop or desktop.

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    38. Re:Hype by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      Slashdot makes this same mistake

      It's not a mistake, it keeps discussion lively.

    39. Re:Hype by raphael75 · · Score: 1

      An IDE cable might not be so bad...

    40. Re:Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey now, I have a Desire HD (4.3 inch), Froyo (hence Flash), and access to redtube. I can assure you it ain't that hard. Well... fappin' ain't too hard, anyway. 'It' is that hard.

    41. Re:Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. A lot of people seem to churn through mobile telephones and similar devices at a shocking rate. And laptops don't seem to have very long lifetimes either.

      Also, mobile devices are getting updated rapidly, as they become more powerful to handle more tasks, while desktop computers have been able to do more than the vast majority of users will ever want to do, for quite some time.

    42. Re:Hype by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      First, the report talks about devices sold, not the installed base

      Exactly why the "era of the PC" is nowhere near its end.

      I know lots of people who get a new phone every 12 months (and at least one carrier has now gone to a 9-month cycle of allowing the subsidized phone upgrades), but not many people buy a new PC every year.

      Anyway, the comparison is kind of silly. There really aren't that many tasks for which a smartphone has replace my PC. Mostly, it's just got me checking my email more often. I'm not going to start doing a lot of things for which I've been using my PC with my smartphone, no matter how smart it gets.

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    43. Re:Hype by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Although, toilet paper is probably more ubiquitous than PCs. Just not necessarily among the geek crowd.

      Why use toilet paper when you've got Axe Body Spray?

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    44. Re:Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is why newer phones have an hdmi port out the side...

    45. Re:Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sort of random comment... but I see a commercial every once in a while for windows azure or something like that. Some mother disappointed her family can't take a good picture and then she exclaims "To the Cloud!" and magically fixes the picture. Now, how many consumers will actually know wtf that actually means? It just sort of hits me as a horrible advertisement.

    46. Re:Hype by node+3 · · Score: 2

      I don't understand. They make their old hardware "obsolete" by rapidly advancing the state of the art, and this is a bad thing? The alternative would be to keep the iPhone 4 roughly similar to the original iPhone, which makes absolutely zero sense.

    47. Re:Hype by Xtifr · · Score: 1

      At least all the yammering about "the cloud" seems to have decreased.

      Apparently you haven't watched any television lately. MS is actually trying to push the notion that Windows7 == "the cloud". And yes, the ads make about as much sense as you'd expect from that very confused notion.

      What I've learned from MS this month: "the cloud" will auto-position cut-and-pasted heads into your photos(!?), "the cloud" will provide an RDP connection to your home machine which will magically be fast enough to allow you to stream locally stored video, and "the cloud" will allow you to become a megamillionaire and quit your day job in the fast food industry. Yay cloud. :/

    48. Re:Hype by node+3 · · Score: 2

      Yes, because your garage is indicative of everyone's. Also, children have bikes and no cars.

      And unlike your example, this is a changing tend and not just a snapshot of a mostly static relationship. The smart phone and tablet are rising and seems poised to eclipse the PC. This isn't terribly surprising to most people, but I fully expect Slashdot to completely miss the significance of this. Even once the PC is dethroned, the stereotypical slashdotter will still live and die by theirs.

      It's also important to note that this doesn't mean that the PC is dying. PCs will be around for quite some time. Just that it's being supplanted as the most numerous general computing appliance.

    49. Re:Hype by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention PC just means Personal Computer

      "Personal computer" the term and "personal computer" the two words next to each other don't mean the same thing. By simply going with the meanings of the two words, a basic four function calculator is a PC.

      Smart phones and tablets are distinct from PCs, just as game consoles and PDAs are, even though all of them could be described by the words "personal computer", just not the term.

    50. Re:Hype by Xtifr · · Score: 2

      Almost everyone already has a PC, so there isn't a large group going out in the same time period to buy one.

      And for people who live alone in their parent's garage, that's all that needs to be said, but for families (which are actually a fairly large segment of the population, outside of geekdom), there's another factor, which is that while before, they may have needed several PCs, now they may be able to get by with one PC and several tablets and/or smartphones. So there may well be a decrease in PC use, even if it won't affect anyone on slashdot.

      Another factor is that after the public reaction to Vista, MS was basically forced to make Win7 not be a slow, bloaty mess (relatively speaking), so there's not as much incentive to replace your older machines; people can upgrade, and many probably have. My prediction (you read it here first) is that MS is going to be persuaded by the hardware makers to make the next version of Win noticably bigger and bloatier, though probably not by as much as Vista was.

    51. Re:Hype by rezalas · · Score: 1

      You've taken my statement out of context by just chopping at one tiny part of what I was actually saying. Considering I never said anything about a 'four function calculator' or anything similar (unless you consider a dual core 1.3Ghz phone with 1GB RAM and 3D processing to be on par with a 4 function calculator) I think you missed the actual point I was making. If you notice I stated that phones are 'becoming' a PC (dual core processors, dedicated video memory and 3D graphics, multi-gig storage, external video support, etc).
      My phone is already faster than my PC from six years ago which goes double for my laptop. Simply put, the phone is catching up in utility and is becoming just another 'PC' essentially.

    52. Re:Hype by Labcoat+Samurai · · Score: 1

      Might as well mention that anyway. A smartphone is hardly a replacement for a PC. I won't say there's *no one* with a smartphone and no access to a PC, but I suspect it's pretty rare.

    53. Re:Hype by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      But at least a lot of the tech news writers seem to have realized that most of their readers don't care. Ads are always going to use buzzwords as promises of undefined awesome stuff, you're right.

      And I did actually hear part of that commercial while I was at a restaurant and was surprised how they were trying to equate "cloud" with "everything physically transforms into a desktop when you need it to." I guess there's a reason I don't work in advertising.

    54. Re:Hype by Labcoat+Samurai · · Score: 1

      The point is that nothing is being supplanted. People are buying more phones, but they aren't buying *fewer* PCs. It would be like if there was a massive health kick in this country and everyone started buying bicycles... but they'd almost all still need cars. Likewise most people will continue using PCs even if they also buy smartphones and tablets. I mean, sure, there'd be some people who would conclude they don't actually need a car, and there'll be some people who will conclude they don't actually need a PC, but the two are mostly unrelated.

    55. Re:Hype by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

      They make their old hardware "obsolete" by rapidly advancing the state of the art, and this is a bad thing?

      Depends on the definition of "advancing the state of the art". Does it involve subtly changing the curvature of the corners or precisely adjusting the exact shade of white?

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    56. Re:Hype by hazydave · · Score: 2

      PCs are a commodity market. You generally get what you pay for. The average PC sold in the USA last year cost just over $500, and the profit margins were razor thin.

      Smart phones have artificially high prices. They are kept high, particularly in the USA, Canada, and other countries in which phones are subsidized by telecom companies (and these artificial prices affect the international price as well). They do this to maintain the illusion that a subsidized phone is a stellar deal, which in fact, not so much.

      In a competitive market, the high end smart phones would run around $300, unbundled/unlocked, give or take. Even comparing that to the very high profit margins Apple's seeing shows this clearly. The iPod vs. iPhone is the perfect comparison. If you add a mic ($1.00), a camera or two ($2-$3), and a cellular modem subsystem (radio chip, PA, switches, printed antenna... $20-$30), you get a smart phone. You can buy an iPod Touch with 8GB at Amazon for $215. Even with markup, the extra components that make it an iPhone don't get you anywhere near the $600 or so they sell for unbundled (well, the replacement price, since Apple doesn't actually sell unbundled in the USA, though they do elsewhere).

      And even this is comparing, well, Apples to non-Apples. Apple hardware, all of it, is overpriced. An Archos 32, running Android, with that same 8GB runs $145 at Amazon. Not as nice as the iPod, but it does the same jobs.

      This is already coming true, even with fairly weak competition. Two of the small national wireless companies, MetroPCS and Cricket Wireless, have left the subsidized phone + contract model -- you buy the phone outright, you pay by month as long as you feel like it. MetroPCS has two Android models, one at $230, one at $300... the later with OLED screen and both 3G and LTE (I won't say "4G") network interfaces (apparently their LTE service sucks, but they did roll it out before Verizon). If you could buy these as a commodity, rather than locked into any given carrier, the prices would drop still more.

      I mean, really, think about it. A smartphone or ARM-based tablet has only some of the same components as a PC, but nearly every one costs less: cheaper display, cheaper battery, cheaper CPU (and it's an SOC, so no need for a "North Bridge" or other system chips), same Wifi, fewer ports, less RAM, less mass storage, no keyboard, etc. The only reason people think these things are expensive is because there's little direct competition. But things like Android are starting to change that... no more proprietary lock-in.

      Apple should be an indicator, too. The average laptop, not including netbooks, sold in the USA in 2009 cost about $550. Apple's cheapest laptop starts at $1000... and they're selling the same thing. Macs ARE PC Clones. So figure, for any price Apple puts on an item, you should figure if that class of item were sold in a PC-like commodity market, the average price would be about half. This also tracks with plain old MP3 players, and it's starting to look like smart phones are heading there. Tablets, not yet, but no one's had a successful ARM-based tablet yet except Apple and Samsung... and Samsung's not fighting the high markups yet. No point yet, but in a few years, it'll be the PC Wars all over again.

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    57. Re:Hype by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      Stolen wifi from someone in another state via moonbounce. You pay nothing!

    58. Re:Hype by hazydave · · Score: 1

      I pay $120 a month for broadband to the house, $30 a month for broadband to the phone (that's the exact cost on top of the dumb phone costs). Ok, I live in a "wireless" area... no wired broadband, which is always cheaper (well, short of a T1 line or Frame Relay).

      Really, these are pocket computers we're talking about here. Apple's a good example... don't want the network? Buy the iPod, same thing as an iPhone 'cept for the phone part. Folks always rave about the cost of the smart phone network connection, but never mention their internet connection when talking about their PC(s). But whatever you pay, it's a direct result of that PC, just as the cellular modem service plan is the result of having a smart phone.

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    59. Re:Hype by hazydave · · Score: 1

      I replaced the main board, CPU, and RAM on my primary system two weeks ago.. ran me about $500. The whole PC is far more expensive than a smart phone: monitors, hard drives, printers, scanners, keyboard, mouse, etc.

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    60. Re:Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you say that it is the end of the era of slanted news articles that crumble with the slightest application of common sense? Oh wait, that would require some sort of meteorological event in hell.

    61. Re:Hype by hazydave · · Score: 1

      There are two things they do.

      The "good" part in advancing the state of the iPhone.. new models, that make you WANT a new one (you, not me, I have no use for an iPhone). If you somehow NEED that upgrade, because Jobs and Co. dangle a shiny new carrot in front of you, that's no way you being forced.

      On the other hand, if they're obsoleting the older models via software upgrades, you may well be forced to upgrade, or stop having access to available software. They just did that, after all... iOS 4 barely runs on the iPhone 3, doesn't on earlier iPhone and iPod models. AND they pushed developers to upgrade software for this and the iPad.. so the set of available apps that run on older models is drying up. That's how they force an upgrade.

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    62. Re:Hype by AshtangiMan · · Score: 2

      I don't think Apple is any different than any other computer hardware or software maker. Autodesk is probably one of the worst on the software side, and the WinTel side of the PC world is pretty good at planned obsolescence as well. In fact I don't think I've ever owned a computer that after 3 years would run the latest software without dragging like a donkey. And the hardware upgrades to get to that point almost always seemed to run just a little slower with all of the latest and "greatest" software than the previous iteration. At my office I am pushing for a no software upgrade policy, as there is little benefit to stay on that train (here is where the security update side comes in and always at some point forces an upgrade).

    63. Re:Hype by HermMunster · · Score: 2

      I think in Apple's case the newer iPods were opened to discover that much of the iPhone internals were there.

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    64. Re:Hype by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      Your DSL or cable provider typically doesn't discount your PC by 80% for signing a new two-year contract.

      Gosh, subsidies influence buying decisions. Film at 11.

      IDC are, as always, missing the real point of their own story.

    65. Re:Hype by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      AT&T, Cox, Comcast, and Time Warner didn't offer me a $1 PC to sign a two-year data deal, either. It's the subsidies. In a market with subsidies, always suspect the subsidies make the difference. After all, that's what why they exist.

    66. Re:Hype by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      It is a spectacular deal to buy your phone subsidized if the only plans you can get cover the cost of a subsidized phone anyway. If you have low-priced phone plans you can use with an unsubsidized phone, that's great. If all you can get decent coverage from are the plans that subsidize a phone, you'd be silly to still pay up front for the phone in addition to paying to subsidize the equipment.

    67. Re:Hype by LordSnooty · · Score: 1

      "Shock as marketing proves to be key battleground in war between operating systems of equivalent abilities"

    68. Re:Hype by bane2571 · · Score: 1

      You've got to wonder though. If it can hook up to a full sized screen, Has a mouse and keyboard and features a full suite of applications that are user installable, Is it a phone? or is it just a very small form factor PC?

    69. Re:Hype by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      Also, do you know anyone that just uses smartphones and tablets but never PCs or laptops? Didn't think so.

      You're thinking is very Western centric....

      Even in America, more people own cell phones than computers.....
      http://www.ere.net/2010/10/21/more-cell-phones-than-computers-means-you-cant-ignore-mobile/

      The disparity grows in poorer countries.

      Even if you just consider smart phones, as hardware gets cheaper, smart phone will start displacing dump phones on the lowend.

    70. Re:Hype by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      This is the same argument regarding software updates. They can update their software all they want, but it doesn't mean that updating is necessary nor should it always be done.

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    71. Re:Hype by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      If it's an iPhone, you may not want to replace it every year or two, but you can damn well bet on the fact that Apple will be doing everything in it's power to push you into doing so regardless.
      Apple didn't become the Saint of Obsolescence by playing fair with its products.

      Right, because it is Apple that has a history of not providing OS updates for the iPhone for at least two years and not Android manufacturers......

    72. Re:Hype by w0mprat · · Score: 1

      Apple has very deliberately ensured that the iPad is highly dependant on a computer for syncing. They are still in the business of notebooks and desktops to some extent. If the iPad could do something as simple as host USB, it would make a desktop redundant.

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    73. Re:Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The car era will never be over because it's really hard to make out in the back of a bicycle. Likewise, the PC era will never be over because it's really hard to fap to a video on a 4 inch screen.

      Have you tried?

    74. Re:Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not going to replace my PC or my NAS until a handheld device has 1TB for my CP ... er... CP = camera pictures

    75. Re:Hype by Known+Nutter · · Score: 1

      (the Desktop) that controls all of your media

      Let's not forget about the "desktop" where actual work gets done... you know, authoring papers and books, finance, art, research, running equipment, and so on.

      I don't see running a refinery, for example, from an iPad any time soon.

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    76. Re:Hype by fractoid · · Score: 1

      "Personal computer" the term and "personal computer" the two words next to each other don't mean the same thing. By simply going with the meanings of the two words, a basic four function calculator is a PC.

      I don't believe the GP was just talking about a device with computing functions that is personal. A "personal computer" these days really means "an internet appliance and application platform, owned and usually used by a specific individual". In recent years that's usually implied a desktop computer, although notebooks and netbooks have been increasingly filling the role. In the last two or three years, the appliances we call 'phones' have increasingly taken over that role, at least while the user is away from their primary PC.

      In large part, the shift towards tablets (with their very consumer-oriented interface) is possible because most people consume far more content than they create. For stationary use at home, tablets may still fill this use, but work computers will continue to require a physical input device such as a keyboard because 'work' generally involves creating content of some form.

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    77. Re:Hype by node+3 · · Score: 1

      You've taken my statement out of context by just chopping at one tiny part of what I was actually saying. Considering I never said anything about a 'four function calculator' or anything similar

      That's was just an example of the folly of playing loose with words. Phones and tablets are not PCs. You can call them PCs, but then you're just changing terminology, not reality.

      Let's say for now we call smart phones and tablets "PCs". Then the story about the "PC ending, to be replaced by PCs" sounds silly, right? But you just reword it to "desktop and notebook computers to be replaced by smart phones and tablets". Nothing has changed, just the wording.

      Simply put, the phone is catching up in utility and is becoming just another 'PC' essentially.

      Except it's not, because the term "PC" doesn't apply to phones. That's why you had to add the word "essentially". That's also the point of the article, that the phone is becoming a PC alternative, which is what you are calling "just another 'PC' essentially".

    78. Re:Hype by node+3 · · Score: 1

      A "personal computer" these days really means "an internet appliance and application platform, owned and usually used by a specific individual".

      No it doesn't. Video game consoles, TVs, smart phones, etc., are all "internet appliance and application platforms owned and usually used by a specific individual".

      PCs are separate from iPhones, iPads, Android phones, etc. Maybe the term will change, but I doubt it. Consider this, if you have a notebook and a smart phone sitting on a table and ask someone to hand you your PC, which do you think they'll grab? Or in reverse, if someone asked you for the PC, do you really think they meant the phone?

      That's part of what makes this story so interesting. The non-PC computing devices are beginning to show signs of eventually surpassing the PC as the "internet appliance and application platform, owned and usually used by a specific individual" of choice. And while I still use my PC (Mac, specifically, but I'm pretty sure that's no surprise) and will for some time, I'm very glad to see the end of the PC era. PCs are like (warning: auto analogy coming) big trucks or tractors. They're very important and will never go away completely, but are poorly suited to the needs of most people.

    79. Re:Hype by rezalas · · Score: 1

      It is applying to phones these days, which is where I believe you're wrong. You can use a phone for the same things you use a desktop or a notebook for with the only real difference being size. They have different names (phone, desktop, notebook) but they're still just a PC. You can argue all you like and try to nit pick my words but you're still wrong.

    80. Re:Hype by Santzes · · Score: 1

      How do you cum on Axe Body Spray?

    81. Re:Hype by !eopard · · Score: 1

      The car era will never be over because it's really hard to make out in the back of a bicycle.

      Carry a blanket or towel when on your bike?

      Likewise, the PC era will never be over because it's really hard to fap to a video on a 4 inch screen.

      My phone has HDMI out and will play many video formats. You can also buy portable projectors that fit in your pocket.
      Hang your towel over your bike and you have your own portable outdoor movie theatre :)

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    82. Re:Hype by node+3 · · Score: 1

      It is applying to phones these days, which is where I believe you're wrong.

      Sure, the definition you made up for PC applies to smart phones, but you've failed to give any reason for everyone else to give up the more widely held definition for yours.

      You can argue all you like and try to nit pick my words but you're still wrong.

      I'm not the one making up definitions. The problem here is that the author of the story, myself, and most everyone else are using a common definition for "PC", while you're using the rezalasese definition.

      I'll translate the story into rezelasese for you: The desktop and notebook PC era is beginning to give way to the phone and slate PC era.

      By conflating phones and tablets with desktop and notebooks, you've simply taken a bit of linguistic acrobatics and pretended like the story is false. But translated into your definition for PC like I did above, it should be clear that the story is not as wrong as you said it was.

    83. Re:Hype by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      Plus they are usually cheaper, and most definitely more disposable. Of course they will be sold more often.

    84. Re:Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really tire of these slanted

      3 bikes & 2 cars? how many tires was that again?

    85. Re:Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, 4 inch screen is fine for that :-P

    86. Re:Hype by milamber3 · · Score: 1

      I know right! No ones ever uses more than 640K memory and people will never user their phone or tablet in place of a computer!

    87. Re:Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Phones have long sold better than PCs.

      This.

      Keep in mind that cell phone providers have taken planned obsolesence to a whole new level. Not only are the phones themselves designed to only last about a year, the companies keep intentionally 'breaking' the older phones to force upgrades.

      Hell, my carrier just got bought out by AT&T. So they send me this flier saying "Oh, too bad for you, your old smartphone sucks and won't work with our |33T uber network." So then they list my model, and a short list of replacement models which are "equivalent" to mine. One of them happens to be the exact same make and model as my existing phone... all it needs it to have the OS reloaded. But they are still giving this away for "free", which is actually them selling the phone to me along with my service contract. And no, they won't reload my existing phone, I'm required to get a new one from them. Or upgrade to an iPhone of course, which is what they're really trying to push.

    88. Re:Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand. They make their old hardware "obsolete" by rapidly advancing the state of the art, and this is a bad thing? The alternative would be to keep the iPhone 4 roughly similar to the original iPhone, which makes absolutely zero sense.

      Your premise is incorrect. They are not being made obsolete by rapidly advancing the state of the art, they are being made obsolete so that you have to buy a new one every year.

      The phones themselves are only manufactured to specs which state a 1 to 2 year max lifespan of the actual device. There have been no upgrades to the cell system which require anything more advanced than a basic digital phone- analog has, indeed, been dropped due to tech upgrades.

      Most of the phones which your carrier claims "won't work with our system" will work perfectly fine with their system, the only reason they quit working is because the carrier has blocked them. It's a perfect in-bed partnership between the carriers and manufacturers. The manufacturers make sure the phones break easily and often, and constantly release new versions and stop manufacturing models as recent as a year old. In return, the carriers refuse to support the older models of phone and pull people into contract upgrades and extensions with promises of rebates on a new phone.

    89. Re:Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article refers to the end off PC "centric" era, not the PCs themselves. This conclusion has always been reached in terms of sales statistics vs population. The same happened to the radio when the television came along. We all still have radios and TVs at home but listening radio stopped being the leisure activity of preference to become substituted by watching TV. The same way the trend of using computers mostly today to access the Internet seems to be replaced by other devices (smartphones) as the preferred way of accessing Internet content.

    90. Re:Hype by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      That's why the distinction is largely meaningless now. The end of the PC era is supposed to be followed by the start of the ubiquitous computing era, where there's no need to have a designated computing device because everything (TVs, lighting controls, fridges, whatever) has some computing power that you can use and you can just display the output on whichever device has the most convenient display. This is more an evolution of the PC era than an end.

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    91. Re:Hype by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      My current contract is the same price both with and without the phone (HTC Wildfire). So has my phone cost me 24x£20 = £480 (hey that's cheaper than I was expecting) or £0?

    92. Re:Hype by fbjon · · Score: 1

      You should use the component side, not the side with the joints.

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    93. Re:Hype by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      No, it means a portable device, like an iTouch, costs $150 and can do many of the things a casual computing person would need, so there's no sense in shelling out $900 for a boring Dell box.

      For the rest of us, we'll have smart phones, tablets, laptops, AND a standard desktop (or three) for many years to come.

      Tablets are a NEW segment--they are IN ADDITION to, not replacing desktop PCs.

    94. Re:Hype by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      You can't dethrone something if you aren't replacing it. People are buying more smart phones, but they aren't NOT buying PCs. Smart phones are in addition to, not a replacement of, PCs.

    95. Re:Hype by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Yeah but you didn't get a $1 smart phone either. Chances are you paid around $200 for a smart phone PLUS the 2-year contract.

      $200 isn't that much less than a decent PC that can be had for $400-500 with a monitor, minus the crazy 24 month contract fee.

      I can put it another way. For many of us, if our smart phone didn't have the phone, and was just a data device (with the high cost data plans and stupid contracts) we wouldn't own one. It wouldn't supplant our laptops/desktops. But, if I have to have a phone on me, I might as well have one I can check my email and sign my timecard with as well.

    96. Re:Hype by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      I can't be for sure but isn't iPhoto on an iPad the same thing as iPhoto for a Mac? If so, then how does that suck big time, other than the input device is your finger instead of a mouse?

    97. Re:Hype by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      There's a thin line between today's smart phone and tomorrow's "feature phone", and which data plan is required by your provider is usually the line they draw in their advertisements.

      Right now at this moment I can get a Pixi from Sprint for $30. I can get phones like the Samsung Reclaim that feature email through the web providers, email through Exchange or Notes, web, streaming video, GPS, streaming music, a family locator, and a memory card slot. It doesn't have an app store, but most "smart phones" from two years ago didn't either. I can also get the Dell Inspiron Mini 10 for $0.

      U.S. Cellular has Android phones starting at $50 after rebate with a new plan (the Apex from LG). The Blackberry Curve 9330 is $30 after rebate. The Samsung Exec Windows phone is $29.99 with a new plan; no rebate is required.

      Verizon has the Motorola Citrus with Android 2.1 for $50 with a new two-year contract (and you get a second one free if you get two contracts). They have the Pixi Plus for free. The HTC Ozone (Windows mobile 6.1) is free with a contract. The Blackberry Tour 9630 is $30 with a contract.. The Kin One is $20 with contract.

      These are all online prices from the service providers' own web sites. They're not some local reseller with an in-store special. They might be location-sensitive, especially since Verizon asks for a ZIP code even to shop for phones. I doubt they'd get away with gouging certain parts of the country across the board on the equipment for very long, though.

      You don't have to have an iPhone 4, a Galaxy S phone, a Droid 2 or Droid Pro, or a Windows 7 phone for it to be a smart phone. There are other options out there.

    98. Re:Hype by node+3 · · Score: 1

      You can't dethrone something if you aren't replacing it.

      Dethroned as the most commonly purchased general purpose computer, and potentially as the most commonly used general purpose computer.

      People are buying more smart phones, but they aren't NOT buying PCs.

      Some are buying iPads instead of PCs. This will only become more prominent over time.

      Smart phones are in addition to, not a replacement of, PCs.

      By definition, every time someone uses an iPhone or iPad when their PC is nearby, they are using it as a PC replacement. Also, every time someone leaves a notebook at home because they have a phone or tablet, they are using it as a PC replacement.

    99. Re:Hype by node+3 · · Score: 1

      People are buying more phones, but they aren't buying *fewer* PCs.

      Sure they are. The iPad has already had a notable impact on the sales of PCs.

      It would be like if there was a massive health kick in this country and everyone started buying bicycles... but they'd almost all still need cars.

      Most people can't get by with just a bike, however most will not only be able to get by with something like an iPad, but will actually prefer it.

      Comparing a bike and a car is a disingenuous analogy.

      Likewise most people will continue using PCs even if they also buy smartphones and tablets.

      Not likely. Most people fucking hate their PC and love their iPhone/iPad. The PC's best days as a consumer product are peaking.

      That's not to say the PC is going away. That's still a long way off (if ever). But the writing's on the wall and it's on its way to be supplanted. This will happen first with consumers, and this story is about the first milestone on that road.

    100. Re:Hype by Labcoat+Samurai · · Score: 1

      Sure they are. The iPad has already had a notable impact on the sales of PCs.

      Yeah? Link? I confess some ignorance here. I was basing my original statement purely off of the summary, which claimed that PC sales continue to rise. If true, it's enough for an informal argument expressing skepticism that the iPhones and iPads are directly competing all that much. I say informal because it's always possible that sales, in theory, should be rising *more*, but that seems a nitpick to me. In any case, if a significant proportion of iPad sales come at the expense of PC sales, it seems hard to explain how this market could have arisen out of nowhere without absolutely devastating the PC market.

      Most people can't get by with just a bike, however most will not only be able to get by with something like an iPad, but will actually prefer it.

      Comparing a bike and a car is a disingenuous analogy.

      Most people will be able to get by with an iPad? Really? You think that? In the absence of a relevant study, I suppose I can't refute that point, but every experience I've had suggests otherwise. I don't know a single iPad owner or iPhone owner who does not also own a PC. In fact... of all the people I know, I can't think of one off the top of my head who does not own a PC. Some of these PCs are several years old, granted, but they use them and could not do without them.

      Likewise most people will continue using PCs even if they also buy smartphones and tablets.

      Not likely. Most people fucking hate their PC and love their iPhone/iPad.

      I'm not sure what makes you think that exactly. A study? Because if it's personal experience, mine conflicts. Most people I know love their computers. And iPhone love isn't universal. I get disappointed with mine from time to time, my best friend is canceling his in favor of a Droid, and my girlfriend has been fuming angry over hers many many times. I'd say I feel net positive about the device, but no more so than about any PC I've ever owned.

    101. Re:Hype by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Sure they are. The iPad has already had a notable impact on the sales of PCs.

      Yeah? Link?

      One, two. There are plenty more. Basically, iPads are negatively impacting netbook sales, which are PCs. Certainly they are the bottom end of that market, but that's where you're going to see the impact first.

      I say informal because it's always possible that sales, in theory, should be rising *more*, but that seems a nitpick to me. In any case, if a significant proportion of iPad sales come at the expense of PC sales, it seems hard to explain how this market could have arisen out of nowhere without absolutely devastating the PC market.

      You already did explain it: rates of change. First the netbook's rate of change was negative (i.e., they still sold more, but at a lower rate), and now they are actually selling less. Also, I never said most iPads were sold at the expense of a PC sale, just that it is having a notable effect. If I were being nitpicky, I would have included the iPhone and iPod touch, because there are certainly some PC sales that didn't happen due to them (simply down to the fact that some people may not have had the money for both a new PC and a new iPod, and chose an iPod). The iPad's effect, however, is more prominent.

      Most people can't get by with just a bike, however most will not only be able to get by with something like an iPad, but will actually prefer it.

      Comparing a bike and a car is a disingenuous analogy.

      Most people will be able to get by with an iPad? Really? You think that?

      Not today. That's why I used the word "will" and not "can now".

      In the absence of a relevant study, I suppose I can't refute that point, but every experience I've had suggests otherwise. I don't know a single iPad owner or iPhone owner who does not also own a PC. In fact... of all the people I know, I can't think of one off the top of my head who does not own a PC. Some of these PCs are several years old, granted, but they use them and could not do without them.

      As iPads gain storage, and features like printing, the consumer scenarios where a PC does something that an iPad can't start to vanish.

      Likewise most people will continue using PCs even if they also buy smartphones and tablets.

      Not likely. Most people fucking hate their PC and love their iPhone/iPad.

      I'm not sure what makes you think that exactly. A study? Because if it's personal experience, mine conflicts. Most people I know love their computers.

      It's a love-hate relationship. Most people hate them, but love the things they can do with them. Once you can replace them with something they hate less, they will jump at it.

      And iPhone love isn't universal.

      I never said it was.

      I get disappointed with mine from time to time, my best friend is canceling his in favor of a Droid, and my girlfriend has been fuming angry over hers many many times. I'd say I feel net positive about the device, but no more so than about any PC I've ever owned.

      I also said the PC will be around for some time. That implies there will be people, like you, who prefer PCs (or at the very least, still want to have one). Let's take it as given that a significant portion of Slashdotters will still have PCs long after the "end of the PC era".

    102. Re:Hype by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      Exactly. At some point in the near future (10,20,30 years?) something the size of your phone will do "everything". You might have a keyboard, mouse, and 52 inch screen at home, but your smart phone could be the cpu/video/storage driving all of it.

      I just read about vmware creating virtualization software for android phones. I could see my phone booting up a full version of linux, switch to a full version of windows, switch back to phone, etc... That is one more reason to support open platforms. If small hand held devices are someday able to be just as powerful as desktop PC's, it won't have much advantage to the end user if they can't take advantage of that power to run desktop software.

    103. Re:Hype by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      I don't think anyone foresees the death of large screens. Maybe just a change in what is feeding the screen the video. What if your smart phone could stream video to your TV or pc monitor, accept input from a blue tooth keyboard or mouse, and run full virtual desktops of the OS of your choice, at PC speeds.

      Certainly won't happen in 18 months, but I can see it happening within my lifetime.

    104. Re:Hype by Labcoat+Samurai · · Score: 1

      Fair points all around. I can definitely see why it would impact netbook sales given that netbooks seem much more in direct competition.

      I'm not sure the iPad in its current form, even with more memory and printing capability could compare to a PC, and if it got to the point that it could, I'm not sure what would distinguish the two. For example, I could bemoan the lack of input devices like keyboards, game controllers, etc. that severely narrow the device's usefulness. And you could counter that there's nothing in principle that prevents those things from being added to some future version. I could complain that the OS is still, fundamentally, a mobile OS with serious limitations, and you could point out that there's nothing, in principle that prevents the next generation from running a more full featured OS. But at some point, it just becomes another sort of PC.

      As for love of the devices, I say give it time. New technologies are hot and sexy, no doubt, but they don't get to be new forever, and I wonder if people will be less forgiving of a device's flaws and limitations after that initial wonder and excitement begins to die down. It was certainly my experience with the iPhone. At first, I was blown away, but I take it for granted, now, so I don't tend to notice when it does things well, and instead, I notice when it does things poorly. I still feel the device is a net positive, but I've begun to define the device more by what it can't do or can't do well rather than by what it can.

    105. Re:Hype by node+3 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure the iPad in its current form, even with more memory and printing capability could compare to a PC, and if it got to the point that it could, I'm not sure what would distinguish the two.

      This is exactly the problem with this discussion, and it's almost inevitable when raising this topic amongst geeks.

      The iPad will never, ever "compare to a PC". What it (or some other device like it) will do is become useful enough on its own that many people will eschew the use of PCs altogether.

      You, however, probably can never really go without having a PC. Lots of people will be just like you. For that reason, no iPad, no matter how advanced, could replace your PC, unless the iPad itself basically became a PC (which it won't).

      As for love of the devices, I say give it time.

      It's inherent to the device type. People will always complain about issues, but the number of issues, the types of issues, and the severity of issues that you can have with something like an iPad are dwarfed by the issues people can, and do, have with PCs.

      Sure, you will find any iPad as too limiting, but those things that limit you are so far beyond the needs and desires of most people that they aren't actual limits. People aren't going to trade what is for them hypothetical limits for real problems.

      This is very much like cars vs trucks. Trucks are important for a relatively small number of people. Some can't do without them, others just don't like the limitations of cars, but for most people, cars are not only just fine, but preferable. PCs will become more like trucks. The only reason they are so ubiquitous today is that there hasn't been a viable alternative.

    106. Re:Hype by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      You are not normal. Most folks' last phone was free.

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    107. Re:Hype by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      and the WinTel side of the PC world is pretty good at planned obsolescence as well. In fact I don't think I've ever owned a computer that after 3 years would run the latest software without dragging like a donkey. And the hardware upgrades to get to that point almost always seemed to run just a little slower with all of the latest and "greatest" software than the previous iteration.

      Shit, man. Run Linux. (Sez the guy who's retiring his Pentium D desktop next month after five years of good service.)

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  4. Developer soup by iONiUM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I'm all for new technology, we're also entering an era I like to call developer soup. Maybe I just coined that. In any case, there's no good way to target all the platforms anymore. You might argue HTML5, but really only Chrome is useful for that (right now), and many do not run Chrome. Many in fact, still use IE6/7/8 at corps.

    It kind of stinks, because before you could make an app for one platform and hit a lot of targets, but not anymore.. Android, iOS, BBOS, Windows, Linux, Mac, MeeGo, the diversity is difficult, at best, if you want an all encompassing app. Ah well, I guess HTML4 for now, HTML5 in 18 months.

    1. Re:Developer soup by TelavianX · · Score: 1

      HTML5 will never be for anything useful. It will always be behind the times because it changes so slowly, while silverlight and flash will leap ahead. The true answer is a unifed common app framework or at the very least a seamless way to convert an app from one system to another.

    2. Re:Developer soup by lehphyro · · Score: 0

      Java! Write once run anywhere. With a different GUI for each platform obviously.

    3. Re:Developer soup by hitmark · · Score: 1

      So basically we are back to the age of the microcomputer?

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    4. Re:Developer soup by simoncpu+was+here · · Score: 1

      It's write once and debug anywhere, unfortunately.

    5. Re:Developer soup by lehphyro · · Score: 1

      Nope, there are tons of libraries that support almost everything needed to develop for these platforms, I personally don't have any major problems with compatibility.

    6. Re:Developer soup by devent · · Score: 1

      Developers are targeting multiple systems all the time. Back then it was IBM PC, Amiga, C64; not long ego it was Windows 95, Win 98, Win 2000, Win XP, MacOS. Now it's Win Vista, Win 7, MacOSX, Linux. So now it's Android, iOS, Windows, Linux, Mac, MeeGo. The problem was solved long ego, just use a cross platform framework.

      The only thing that is bad that the smart phone companies are limiting their devices to specific frameworks or languages. They are trying to do MS-style lock-in. Can't really blame them for trying but give it a few years and cross-platform development will be as easy as it is for the PC.

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    7. Re:Developer soup by DrCode · · Score: 1

      It's back to the future... well, the 80's. You could target MSDOS, Windows 3, GEM, AtariST, Commodore, Mac, or various flavors of Unix. It did make for lots of employment opportunities for software engineers, so let's hope the same is true now.

    8. Re:Developer soup by c0lo · · Score: 1

      HTML5 will never be for anything useful.

      Wanna bet on it?

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    9. Re:Developer soup by TelavianX · · Score: 1

      Even now silverlight and flash are well ahead of html5 specs. In a year or two is it going to be better for html5? No. I guess we will have to wait until 2017 or so for html6.

  5. DOORKNOB ERA FORECASTED TO END IN 24 MONTHS by dyingtolive · · Score: 3, Funny

    Read all about it in this arbitrarily nonsensical review guaranteed to increase page clicks here!

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    1. Re:DOORKNOB ERA FORECASTED TO END IN 24 MONTHS by NetServices · · Score: 1

      Mmmmmm.... doorknobs.

    2. Re:DOORKNOB ERA FORECASTED TO END IN 24 MONTHS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modern era forcasted to end in 24 years.

      Read all about the reality of not having enough oil to live like spoiled brats forever!

    3. Re:DOORKNOB ERA FORECASTED TO END IN 24 MONTHS by countSudoku() · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Most awesome! May I also subscribe, multiple times, to your newsletter?

      I look forward to orphaning all the perfectly good hardware I own in favor of a paperless, flying-car world of handheld delights and not very good copy or pasting or printing... what's scanning? Well, that's something we used to do with a thing called a USB serial port that our plamtop vendors forgot to equip us with. Now we "scan" by taking a picture of the page you want copied, then upload it thru email to your facetwit account, then convert it into a textless PDF, and we're done... almost. Now, download it again on a real computer and print via an actual USB port connected to a printer(not over wireless where we lose many features), and we're done. Hooray, we are teh suck!

      Now, if you'll excuse me I'm off to purchase every doorknob at OSH...

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    4. Re:DOORKNOB ERA FORECASTED TO END IN 24 MONTHS by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      Mmmmmm.... doorknobs.

      Best placed inside a sock and applied liberally about the head and body of tech pundits.

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    5. Re:DOORKNOB ERA FORECASTED TO END IN 24 MONTHS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you link isn't working

    6. Re:DOORKNOB ERA FORECASTED TO END IN 24 MONTHS by hypergreatthing · · Score: 1

      Most awesome! May I also subscribe, multiple times, to your newsletter?

      newsletter era forecasted to end in 18 mins. You heard it here first.

  6. Where the Work Is Being Done by Sonny+Yatsen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Until smartphones and tablets displace the PC in being the platform where most of the work is done, I don't consider the PC Era to be over.

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    1. Re:Where the Work Is Being Done by johnlcallaway · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Please mod up!!! If I need a full size monitor and keyboard in order to work 8 hours, I'd rather have a 'desktop' to begin with. My setup has two monitors, and a REAL keyboard and mouse, not the toy ones on most laptops, and I can't even begin to imagine the carpel tunnel and thumb pain that would skyrocket if iPads and such became work devices for people who type and use a mouse all day long, like developers and admins.

      The era of the PC can't be over anyway, the mainframe era hasn't ended yet.....

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    2. Re:Where the Work Is Being Done by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

      If I didn't need to do coding, I could handle pretty much all the business work I need to do on my iPad with iWork. It handles spreadsheets and word processing just fine with a docking station. And the amount of coding work I'm doing is decreasing every year as I focus more on the business side of the house.

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    3. Re:Where the Work Is Being Done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But who's to say a phone can't do all that? All it needs is a dock.

    4. Re:Where the Work Is Being Done by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Define "work" in such a way that it is not PC centric and we may already be there.

      Are Linux Servers "PCs"?

      Are MySQL, Apache servers "PCs" ?

      Are Email, Messaging and chat "PC" ?

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    5. Re:Where the Work Is Being Done by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      Well actually, the smartphone will be the PC. That is to say, you could create a docking station connected to keyboard, mouse, and video. Just plug in your phone and go. Should the phone ring, you speak with bluetooth headset or hands free. Now expand that to include a future wireless keyboard, mouse, and video connection. Think about that for a moment... The phone is always with you. You sit down in the plane, office desk, or restaurant and are presented with the option to wirelessly pair with the peripherals. Now add in a bonus to have all your stuff backed up in the "cloud" in the event you lose your phone. Upgrades could be simple too. Swap out flash media or restore over the air.

      With faster and smaller technologies, all but the most powerful of workstation PCs will be shoved out of the home market. For the corporate world, desktop PCs could be replaced with smartphones for traveling salesman.

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    6. Re:Where the Work Is Being Done by EvanED · · Score: 1

      My setup has two monitors, and a REAL keyboard and mouse, not the toy ones on most laptops, and I can't even begin to imagine the carpel tunnel and thumb pain

      Not to mention neck pain. For me to really be comfortable for long periods of time, the center line of my monitor really needs to be a foot and a half or so (I don't have a tape measure) above the top of my keyboard. That excludes even laptops for long-term use without a discrete keyboard and/or monitor.

    7. Re:Where the Work Is Being Done by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      You do realize that slashdot readers aren't representative of the population as a whole, don't you? There will always be a core group of PC/workstation users, but for the majority of people a tablet or phone is all they need to access email, facebook, and porn.

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    8. Re:Where the Work Is Being Done by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      If I need a full size monitor and keyboard in order to work 8 hours, I'd rather have a 'desktop' to begin with.

      If you're writing novels, doing spreadsheets, or other non-intensive computing tasks, you can plug a full sized monitor and real mouse and keyboard into the netbook/notebook. In that case you would have all you need without having to have an extra device.

      Of course, if you need massive CPU power (intensive graphics, for example) then you do need a full desktop PC.

      But most people really don't.

    9. Re:Where the Work Is Being Done by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1

      It will need 4gb of memory, a 4 core CPU for compiling and creating movies and photo editing (all at the same time if I want to), a couple TB of disk space, and a video output that supports multiple monitors.

      Do you know of a phone that supports that? Or even an affordable laptop???

      Desktop workstations are the cheapest forms for this AND the most ergonomic. It is cheaper to have a desktop with plenty of work space at my job and home and a phone that can transfer or unlock access to data than it is to create a phone with all of the above AND a usable battery life.

      Maybe someday with 100MB WiFi type connectivity is available, it will be possible. But until then, the phone should be the accessory, not the desktop.

      Virtualization of the desktop might make the storage and cost requirements less, I work from home by remoting into my work desktop. But my company frowns on my storing my video collection, personal music and photos, PC games, and doing personal contract work on their computer equipment, so I still need one at home also.

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    10. Re:Where the Work Is Being Done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on your viewpoint. From the manufacturers' and retailers' viewpoint more work (building and selling, respectively) would be being done. Consumers may continue to spend more hours on PCs, but for the other partners the tipping point may be coming soon. Devs too, probably.

      But could we back up a moment to reading comprehension? Both the blurb and TFA state "the end of the PC-centric era". That's just the end of PC dominance. This != end of the PC, at all. That's an entirely a different thing, and it's bloody embarrassing that so many comments here on /. can't pick up on such a basic difference.

      It's a significant milepoint, and definitely one that should be noted by nerds.

    11. Re:Where the Work Is Being Done by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      A modern phone can drive an HD TV via HDMI. It can use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse. It can have 64GB of internal storage, plus WiFi and cellular network connections. The current core that ARM is aiming at the high-end is the Cortex A9, which supports up to 4 cores per package, at up to 2GHz (although 1-1.5GHz is more realistic). It can support up to 4GB of RAM.

      If you can't do real work on a platform like this, then I suspect that the problem is more you than the hardware...

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    12. Re:Where the Work Is Being Done by tresstatus · · Score: 1

      Until smartphones and tablets displace the PC in being the platform where most of the work is done, I don't consider the PC Era to be over.

      tell that to the guy that sits in the cube next to me. he does plenty of "work" on angry birds and youtube all day on a 4.3" screen.

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    13. Re:Where the Work Is Being Done by Nemyst · · Score: 2

      And without your dock close at hand, you're stuck on a tiny screen with no physical keyboard. I'm sorry but the convenience of a hardware, full-sized keyboard and proper applications (not apps) should far outweigh the hip factor in corporate environments.

    14. Re:Where the Work Is Being Done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If anything the mainframe era is returning what with all this cloud computing bullshit.

    15. Re:Where the Work Is Being Done by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Until smartphones and tablets displace the PC in being the platform where most of the work is done, I don't consider the PC Era to be over.

      Recycling an old joke here: a train station is where the trains stop, a bus station is where the buses stop (and don't go further)... a workstation is...

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    16. Re:Where the Work Is Being Done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And without your dock close at hand, you're stuck on a tiny screen with no physical keyboard.

      Without being close at your desk, your point is moot.

    17. Re:Where the Work Is Being Done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll just dock your phone on your desk and it'll power your monitors.

      Probably not in 18 months, though.

  7. Linux by MrEricSir · · Score: 2

    So can we declare 2012 the "Year of the Linux Smartphone"?

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    1. Re:Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Er, I think 2010 was the year of the Linux smartphone.

    2. Re:Linux by toadlife · · Score: 1

      Based on Android device sales this year, I would say it has already arrived.

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    3. Re:Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nope, sorry, but 2012 is taken as "Year of the Mayan end of the world"

  8. it only means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That there is more High level people in companies doing mostly nothing (e-mails and such) than regular workforce and having an Ipad/iphone/blackberry does not mean that you have forfeited your pc ownership.

    People cant stop complaining about slow pc and want bigger display or worst two or three display (my company) to enhanced their work experience so an IPAD? I dont think so

  9. Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It could also mean that smartphones will stay as individual devices and computers will shift or stay as shared devices (depending on the family).

    I know many families where they have one or two computers for 4 people, but each person has an iPhone or smartphone.

    For some families that had one computer per person, come the regular renewal or upgrade time for those machines, they may downsize, getting rid of one machine or both and replacing it with one faster one, since many of the trivial tasks people do on computers can be done with a smartphone or tablet...but really, most financial, graphics, school work still need a real computer. As as fancy as any touch device gets, they will likely never be as fast as a keyboard typing a book report for the average user.

  10. Quick Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this mean we'll write the smartphone apps ON smartphones?

    Oh... no it doesn't... guess that means it's not the end of the PC. Oops.

  11. OK OK will you get off my back now? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    Steve Ballmer was seen pleading plaintively at the merciless slashdot crowd.

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  12. Probably true by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

    At work I still need a desktop machine for coding. But as an example, currently my dad has an iMac that I bought him a couple years ago. I bought him an iPad 3G for fathers day because he does travel a lot. Talking with him over thanksgiving, he rarely turns on his iMac any more. Only time he does is to update investments or work on his taxes. The rest of the time he uses the iPad with docking station.

    I still have my older Mac Mini hooked up to my TV. I have since 2005, but in the last year or so my XBox360 has taken over as it had HD output. I know the newer MacMini's have HDMI, but my HDTV is 10 years old and still uses HD component. When the MacMini kicks the bucket I'm not sure if I'll replace it. My iPad does pretty much all I need at home.

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    1. Re:Probably true by tepples · · Score: 1

      I know the newer MacMini's have HDMI, but my HDTV is 10 years old and still uses HD component.

      You might be able to turn VGA out from your Mac into HD component.

  13. I highly doubt this by Stregano · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tell that to the 10mil+ subscribers of WoW. With the new expansion getting released, WoW players are going nowhere. Tell the pro Starcraft players that as well. The average consumer doesn't use their pc much anyway, and most of that can be handled through their ps3 or phone now, so they might stop using it alot less.

    What about college students? So, how are they going to type up their exams now. On a smartphone? I think it would be absolutely horrid to write a thesus using a phone. Ouch.

    18-months? Really?

    Now, I consider myself an avid pc gamer, and I have no plans to move away from that anytime soon, plus the 6 cores are starting to roll out in larger numbers. 3-D technology is getting implemented more and more into PC's (I believe it is NVidia who is doing a bunch of stuff with it).

    The thing is that PC's can do so much more than a smartphone, and PC's are upgradable (not just software, but hardware) and it won't void your warranty (well I guess if you buy a PC from Dell or something it might since I don't know the rules with pre-made machines). The point is that as pc's evolve, you can easily evolve and adapt with the times by upgrading your PC. To do this with a smartphone means that you need to buy a new phone. Not all that smart if you ask me

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    1. Re:I highly doubt this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell that to the 10mil+ subscribers of WoW. With the new expansion getting released, WoW players are going nowhere. Tell the pro Starcraft players that as well. The average consumer doesn't use their pc much anyway, and most of that can be handled through their ps3 or phone now, so they might stop using it alot less.

      What about college students? So, how are they going to type up their exams now. On a smartphone? I think it would be absolutely horrid to write a thesus using a phone. Ouch.

      18-months? Really?

      Now, I consider myself an avid pc gamer, and I have no plans to move away from that anytime soon, plus the 6 cores are starting to roll out in larger numbers. 3-D technology is getting implemented more and more into PC's (I believe it is NVidia who is doing a bunch of stuff with it).

      The thing is that PC's can do so much more than a smartphone, and PC's are upgradable (not just software, but hardware) and it won't void your warranty (well I guess if you buy a PC from Dell or something it might since I don't know the rules with pre-made machines). The point is that as pc's evolve, you can easily evolve and adapt with the times by upgrading your PC. To do this with a smartphone means that you need to buy a new phone. Not all that smart if you ask me

      I think you didn't read the article.

      Oh wait, this is /., carry on.

    2. Re:I highly doubt this by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

      I frankly don't see myself buying another desktop for home use unless I get back into video editing or 3D as hobby again. If I'm not working around code anymore in another 18 months, I may not be buying a new laptop either. I found two years ago my iPhone did about 90% of what I needed. The iPad seems to fill the other 10%.

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    3. Re:I highly doubt this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > What about college students? So, how are they going to type up their exams now. On a smartphone?

      I think you're missing the point here. The smart phone will *become* their PC. For typing up papers, yes, they'll have a wireless bluetooth keyboard and monitor. The smart phone stays in your pocket, and when you need those peripherals, you'll just sit down next to them. The computing device itself will be mobile, always with you.

      And mobile devices are getting increasingly powerful, and will soon be able to run advanced 3D games. The point is, people don't want to be tied down to one physical location any more, and that's what's going to change.

      Having said that, I agree that it won't be over in 18 months. I think for at least 5 more years, PCs will be a big market force. But their era *will* come to an end, just like so many before it.

    4. Re:I highly doubt this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I look forward to typing on a tablet, because as a colemak typist, most of the work for me is *pressing keys down*. I expect tablets to be really crappy for qwerty typing though, because of the clumsiness in the layout itself. Because touchscreen keyboard layouts can be visually changed as easy as functionally, I think this is the first time that colemak actually has a chance with the general public, and I intend to be a pioneer in that area. I have colemak on my HTC incredible. You haven't seen a person text until you've seen me touch-type on it in landscape.

      Granted, most of the time I don't touch type because the AnySoftKeyboard maintainer, God bless him, wants colemak to be somehow uniform with all the other inferior layouts, but we'll figure all that out in time.

    5. Re:I highly doubt this by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 1

      Wow, your needs must be incredibly low. I commonly do: programming, document creating/editing (text, spreadsheets, etc), image editing, video editing, music playback (which If I owned a stereo I guess may be possible that way), gaming (varied genres), web browsing (multiple tabs), printing, video playback (various formats), video capture... I think that covers most of the things I do. Even using a laptop for most of these requires a hefty 'desktop replacement' class laptop. Some can work on 'app devices' as the article calls them, but more than 50% of those need a PC. Even web browsing with multiple tabs is something I've yet to see on smartphones, I assume without having ever seen one an iPad could do it though.

      Anyways... Alot of my common tasks would be hard or impossible on a 'app device'. Then again I'm sure if all you do is consume and not create, then mobile devices are just fine.

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    6. Re:I highly doubt this by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Tell that to the 10mil+ subscribers of WoW. With the new expansion getting released, WoW players are going nowhere.

      I really tried to tell them, but for some reason I can't get in touch with any of them lately...

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    7. Re:I highly doubt this by shipbrick · · Score: 1

      I can foresee a day when the desktop computer isn't necessary, and in it's place is instead a dock for your smartphone. Plug in the smartphone into the dock and then use a standard keyboard, mouse, monitor, and speakers. I could type a paper that way for sure.

    8. Re:I highly doubt this by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      And what if you can come home, snap your phone into it's charging station and have it come up on a full sized monitor with a mouse and keyboard? Or you want to show a friend how the work on said thesis is going, just snap into their dock (let's just hope and pray that they standardize these things) and pull it up.

      Most people don't play PC games, not AAA, high end graphics, $60 games anyway. Those that do will undoubtedly keep their PC's for the foreseeable future, myself included. But if you don't play games, there's really zero need for more computing power than what is available in a smartphone today, and there's little reason to upgrade in the future, especially if a new phone can be had for $200 every two years. The only real obstacle is UI, and a good, universal docking solution can solve that in well under two years.

    9. Re:I highly doubt this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does anyone make an app-enabled device with a full-size keyboard, ample storage (>100GB), and a screen larger than 10 inches?

      If so, please let me know.

    10. Re:I highly doubt this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes I wonder how people like you not only find your way, but actually manage to stay on /. without feeling like an outcast among its userbase. Is this a sign of the dumbing down of geeks everywhere? If your iPhone and ipad does everything you need, then you do nothing more than consume 3rd party content. You don't understand your hardware, you're ceasing to create software, you're nothing more than average joe consumer. Hand in your id on your way out.

    11. Re:I highly doubt this by martas · · Score: 1

      people don't want to be tied down to one physical location any more, and that's what's going to change.

      wait, i thought that's what laptops were for...

    12. Re:I highly doubt this by Avatar8 · · Score: 1

      Those that are smart enough use a PC; the rest will use a smart phone.

    13. Re:I highly doubt this by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      are you sure? Things aren't as tethered to the PC as you might think, even games like WoW. Considering services like OnLive aren't too bad. You can see the $10 a month incentive for games developers writ large for the future.

      And no, not that smart to continually upgrade your smartphone... but who (in the world of people selling you stuff) cares about that. If they can make better margin on a smartphone + contract sale instead of a replacement card, then you can bet which way they're going to be pushing. Besides, the vast majority of people buy fully configured PCs, and replace them when they get old.

    14. Re:I highly doubt this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The laptop doesn't fit in your shirt pocket.

    15. Re:I highly doubt this by Stregano · · Score: 1

      When you buy a fully configured PC, the placer you buy it from still, normally, builds it for you (unless we are talking about a laptop or something like that). Those companies building your PC's order the parts to build these. All they are is a middle-man for what most of us /.'ers already do. So unless everybody migrates to factory made pc's (laptops, netbooks, tablets, etc), then PC's will not go away anytime soon.

      For a Smartphone, you don't have people sitting there configuring their phone like they would a PC.

      And for smartphone vs PC, to get a high-end smartphone on a phone plan, you can get it for what, 300-500 depending on the phone for a top of the line phone. Yeah, pre-configured top of the pc, you are not getting it for 300-500. It is cheaper to fly through phones, but that does not mean that PCs are dying just because smartphones sell more.

      I have not done the math, but what is the ratio of bus passes sold vs. motor vehicles bought? If more bus passes are sold, under this same notion, that means that people find cars obsolete and that within 18 months, cars will go away and everybody will take the bus. Do you see how silly that sounds?

      When something is cheaper, more people will buy it, but that does not for one second means that the more expensive item is obsolete or going away.

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    16. Re:I highly doubt this by thejoelpatrol · · Score: 1

      While everyone can agree that this story is a bit silly all around, I can't believe this comment got modded +5. Am I to believe that the real reason this is silly is because people need a PC to play WoW or Starcraft? Or because people like to upgrade their hardware with new CPUs and graphics cards? The fact that the commenter doesn't even know what it is like to buy a pre-built PC should make us pretty skeptical that his/her experience can be generalized to the entire population...

      Also, we better not opine about what it is like to write college theses if we can't spell thesis correctly.

    17. Re:I highly doubt this by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      The smart phone stays in your pocket, and when you need those peripherals, you'll just sit down next to them.

      Given the battery life of my phone, I'd be tossing it into a docking/charging station as long as I'm at it.

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    18. Re:I highly doubt this by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      I have not done the math, but what is the ratio of bus passes sold vs. motor vehicles bought? If more bus passes are sold, under this same notion, that means that people find cars obsolete and that within 18 months, cars will go away and everybody will take the bus. Do you see how silly that sounds?

      its not silly though, it only sounds that way because the number of bus passes sold is tiny compared to the number of cars out there. It sounds better if you compare commuters buying rail tickets v those buying road toll passes (or parking passes, or whatever). If the number of rail tickets suddenly rose dramatically (eg if there were free taxis to take you from station to work, or anything else the authorities did to make rail more attractive) then we would say the era of the car was over. Many people would still have them for leisure, but the 2-cars-per-household of today would end, no-one would want to keep a car they had to pay tax and maintenance on when they took the train everywhere.

      Lets assume the government started doing something in this area, would you still think the car manufacturers would be a good investment? In our analogy, you can now see how Apple and Google are considered good investments while Microsft is unloved by the stock market.

    19. Re:I highly doubt this by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      I'd play WoW on an iPad if they made a client that ran on it.

    20. Re:I highly doubt this by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      That's nice, but what does the average non-slashdotter do?

      Surf the web, send/receive email, look at some pictures, listen to some music. They don't need a computer.

    21. Re:I highly doubt this by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      I've been out of college since before students used computers in college, but my wife is a full time student at Texas. She tells me most of the incoming freshman are using laptops, but a lot of them are using iPad with a stylus that captures handwriting. Unless Geology 101 lectures have changed in the past 25 years, I think students would rather have a device to write on than a device to type on, if just to be able to keep up with the lecture and make sensible notes.

      So if the main need for a freshman at college is a way to take notes, read assignments, access their student account/email, write papers and pirate music files, then they only need a computer for the latter two.

    22. Re:I highly doubt this by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      How do you take notes on a laptop? I type 90 wpm and couldn't keep up with a lecture. I also can't draw diagrams on my laptop very well.

      I have no need for an iPad, but this is one case that is hard to deny it's plausibility over a laptop. Still, most students will have both (still have to write papers) and making it easy to synch the two is a good business model. It ensures a company like Apple doesn't undercut one division in favor of the new "in" thing, for starters.

  14. End of desktops? by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

    Kind of hard for the year of Linux on the desktop to come around when there are no more desktops

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  15. Computerworld forecasted to grow brain: never by billcopc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is such an idiotic statement. There are already far more cell phones sold, smart or not, per year than PCs, and this has been true for nearly a decade. These phones are being replaced with "app-enabled devices" because it's getting nearly impossible to get a plain old phone - they just don't make them anymore. Even the $0 freebie has some sort of smartphone-like functionality. Hell, my old MotoRazr from 2004 had apps! Shiit Java apps, but still...

    The day you can sit down at an "app-enabled device" and professionally write software, code a business-class web site, edit video, design a mechanical blueprint, and play WoW, well that might be the end of the PC era. For now, and the next 10 years at least, we just have a lot of fussy gadgets.

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    1. Re:Computerworld forecasted to grow brain: never by xded · · Score: 1

      sit down at an "app-enabled device" and professionally write software, code a business-class web site, edit video, design a mechanical blueprint, and play WoW, well that might be the end of the PC era.

      To do that, I suppose you will need some kind of hand-sized keyboard for typing comfortably, some kind of sufficiently accurate/high-dynamic-range pointing device (mouse or some well sized touch thing), a good screen not to squint at details and some upgradeability to be able to play new games (real time radiosity, subsurface scattering, or whatever is bleeding edge these days) without thrashing the whole thing every 6 months.

      To me that's still called a PC, whether it runs on battery or not.

    2. Re:Computerworld forecasted to grow brain: never by Luckyo · · Score: 2

      The "they don't make them anymore" feature phones still outsell smartphones by a very large margin. We're looking at about 4-5 times at the moment.

      But even if you count any "I can install a game on it" phone as a "smartphone" (you could do that in early 1990s), they still make a lot of mobile phones that don't even have a screen, much less a capability to install anything on it.

    3. Re:Computerworld forecasted to grow brain: never by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
      Agreed. A lot of us want just a phone. I find the danger of some of the "smartphone's are taking over" mentality is that manufacturers are going to try to follow the bogus trend and reduce availability of the competent machines

      I want a phone. I want it to work well, and that's pretty much all I want the freaking thing to do. I am old school in that I want my stuff to work as well as it can, and usually buy the best device for the purpose. This means I have a powerful desktop, a powerful laptop for when I can't use the desktop, a netbook for in the car or on travel, a box that was a little slow for Vista rescued with linux, and coming this Christmas, an IPad for the coffee table in the living room. And a pretty plain phone. I suppose that's a lot of toys, but maybe not so bad in comparison to the monthly bills some people I know pay for their smartphones.

      A "smartphone" is such a compromise in performance on all levels, it does a lot of things, but none all that well. We live in an age of five foot LCD Televisions, where people watch movies on a tiny smartphone screen.

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    4. Re:Computerworld forecasted to grow brain: never by tepples · · Score: 1

      I want a phone. I want it to work well, and that's pretty much all I want the freaking thing to do.

      If you want a phone that's just for talk and perhaps text, then what are you going to buy when you want a PDA or MP3 player to listen to music, watch videos, or play video games on travel? Or would you just use your netbook for that?

    5. Re:Computerworld forecasted to grow brain: never by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
      Oops, forgot to add my IPod to that list - that's what I'd be listening to.

      I think I'm starting to sound like an equipment junkie.....

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  16. Hyperbole by joeflies · · Score: 2

    "an event that may signify the end of the PC-centric era"

    I think they overlook a few of factors:

    1) smart phones are undergoing a upgrade/replacement phase that isn't seen in the pc world. Outside of the gaming community, many people are fine with the core 2 duo they bought 3 years ago, but in the same period of time they would have replaced a smart phone at least once.

    2) many people have more than one smart phone - I have a work phone and a home phone, yet I only have one pc

    3) many people are smart phone buyers but not pc buyers. For instance, a family may have 1 home computer and 4 phones (one for each parent, one for each kid)

    End of the PC-specific era? Better get some more statistics than just shipments.

    1. Re:Hyperbole by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

      I would have said the same thing a year ago, but today I find myself using mostly devices at home. I have a Mac Mini at home, but I've been using it hooked up to my TV for several years. Even then, I mostly use my XBox for streaming movies now from Netflix. I gave up my laptop at work to a new hire and have been using my iPad & iPhone since May for most of my work. I still have an iMac at the office. I use it for code reviews and I still step in to help fix things with a couple of our products that I developed early on, but increasingly I find devices do exactly what I need.

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  17. The Apple Effect by Huckabees · · Score: 1

    I was going to post a cynical comment about how PCs and smart devices are different tools for different purposes but then I realized that this really does speak volumes about how far the usability of such portable devices has come since 2000 when the only people with "smart" devices were those with blackberries to check work email.

    Funny the shift seemed to start when Apple made them "cool" to wave around as a status symbol.

  18. These devices are for consumers by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    If you create any content (even large blocks of text, much less cad, drawings, etc.), all the other devices suck terribly.

    But if you want to play games, listen to songs, watch videos, read what other people write, I agree.

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  19. Awesome by Hatta · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sick of being politically correct.

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  20. unlikely by choko · · Score: 1

    Your average PC user doesn't upgrade nearly as much as your average cell phone user. Most people buy a PC and it serves them for 3 to 5 years. Those same people upgrade their phones as soon as their contract is up. This isn't really a good comparison. More likely, it's just another opportunity for "journalists" to tout the end of something. They really seem to love doing that whenever a new toy comes out. I've lost count of how many times I've been told that PC gaming era is at an end.

    1. Re:unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And more people actually "building"/upgrading their own computer instead of buying a whole ones, which this article seems to be about.

    2. Re:unlikely by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Your average PC user doesn't drop his PC on the ground on a regular basis...

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  21. Continuee prediction of the End of the PC Era era by drolli · · Score: 1

    Predicted to last longer than 18 Month

  22. In related news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In related news, landfills around the world are expected to grow exponentially, as individuals and businesses discard old, still-working computers.

  23. Again? by Evildonald · · Score: 1

    Breaking Story! Slashdot posts a story about the death of PCs! For the millionth time...

  24. Consuming vs. Creating by Toe,+The · · Score: 4, Interesting

    More broadly: anything creative is better done on a computer than a tablet.

    A tablet (etc.) is for consumption of content. They rock for accessibility and convenience: just what you need when you are passively consuming content, such as reading or watching. Even gaming counts, as you are not putting anything in to the device: just getting entertainment out of it.

    But if you are trying to create something (prose, music, code, graphics, databases, and so on and so on), then a full-fledged computer is vastly superior.

    Maybe this will change someday, as the interfaces for devices improve and the apps develop. But in the short-term, I defy someone to create billboard-quality graphics, commercial-grade websites, or a publication-level novel on a tablet. I suppose it can be done, but it would be a heck of a lot easier with a full computer.

    1. Re:Consuming vs. Creating by HeckRuler · · Score: 0

      Hey now, I put my heart and soul into that tourist. He had gotten further then any of his slain, crushed, drowned, poisoned, petrified, and de-brained brethren. By hook or by crook I had wrested Mjolnir and Whisperfeet from the powers that be. And with those, he was on a roll. Nigh unstoppable, this tiny god of death strode through the dungeon of doom.

      ...Until the fateful day he choked to death on a tin of spinach. SPINACH! One little tin. He hadn't eaten a bite in forever. His own success was his downfall, for lo, upon his left ring, these words appeared:

      SUSTENANCE.

    2. Re:Consuming vs. Creating by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      A tablet (etc.) is for consumption of content. They rock for accessibility and convenience: just what you need when you are passively consuming content, such as reading or watching. Even gaming counts, as you are not putting anything in to the device: just getting entertainment out of it.

      But if you are trying to create something (prose, music, code, graphics, databases, and so on and so on), then a full-fledged computer is vastly superior.

      I dunno, in the professional photography world there's a lot of apps available for the iPad with the capability to edit images, manage your collection, etc... etc... If you know what you're doing with your camera, the image generally doesn't need much in the way of editing.
       

      Maybe this will change someday, as the interfaces for devices improve and the apps develop. But in the short-term, I defy someone to create billboard-quality graphics, commercial-grade websites, or a publication-level novel on a tablet. I suppose it can be done, but it would be a heck of a lot easier with a full computer.

      As far as photography goes, billboard quality is a pretty small specialty market. The vast market below that is, as I indicated above, is finding tablet class devices very useful.

    3. Re:Consuming vs. Creating by Toe,+The · · Score: 1

      I dunno, in the professional photography world there's a lot of apps available for the iPad with the capability to edit images, manage your collection, etc... etc... If you know what you're doing with your camera, the image generally doesn't need much in the way of editing.

      Then effectively you're creating content on the camera, and just playing with it on the other device. Seems to prove my point more than refute it.

      My example was graphics, and they don't have to be billboard-sized... let's see you create a professional brochure on a phone. :)

    4. Re:Consuming vs. Creating by treeves · · Score: 1

      Is this your example of a "publication-level novel" produced on your iPad? Keep your day job, as they say.

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    5. Re:Consuming vs. Creating by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      I dunno, in the professional photography world there's a lot of apps available for the iPad with the capability to edit images, manage your collection, etc... etc... If you know what you're doing with your camera, the image generally doesn't need much in the way of editing.

      Then effectively you're creating content on the camera, and just playing with it on the other device. Seems to prove my point more than refute it.

      Um, no. If you think editing a photo is just 'playing', you couldn't be further off base. Trying to minimize what people are actually doing with real tablets in the real world to bolster a refuted claim isn't a very effective debating technique.
       

      My example was graphics, and they don't have to be billboard-sized... let's see you create a professional brochure on a phone. :)

      I know your example was graphics - which is why I brought photography into the discussion, to show that your argument only functioned if you excluded what professionals were already doing in the real world. And again, as with choosing such a small niche market as billboard graphics, taking extreme cases like brochures one a phone (especially when phones weren't the topic of discussion) is a pretty poor debating tactic.
       
      If your method of 'discussion' is to mistakenly treat edge cases as the middle and to move the bar - that's prima facie evidence that your argument has severe problems. Or that you don't actually know what you're talking about.

    6. Re:Consuming vs. Creating by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Well, I was going more for funny commentary on the interactive nature of games with some references to Nethack, which usually go down well around here. But I guess I got carried away at the end there.

      You ever ascended in nethack? Fun game.

    7. Re:Consuming vs. Creating by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      If you are sorting and displaying your photos (to a client, for example), that isn't creation, that's consumption.

      I know what I'm doing with a camera and every single professional image I've produced since 1995 has had some level post processing in Photoshop (or Lightroom these days).

      Before Photoshop we would "edit" our film and prints, even when we "knew what we were doing". We would dodge, burn, push the film development for different ISO, etc. etc. all because no SLR camera can make a perfect image right out of the camera.

      So yes, tablets are great for consuming my content, but it's all being edited on my desktop Mac, then sync'd to the device. My camera creates 16 megapixel RAW files that bring Photoshop to its knees. There's no way an iPad could stand up to the same demands.

  25. In other news... by JeremyGNJ · · Score: 1

    In other news...Linux will be huge on the desktop within the next 18 months.

  26. Doubt it by MDillenbeck · · Score: 1

    1.5 yrs until people will not be using Blender, Flash Pro, Visual Studio, or want to engage in some high-end 3D FPSers? Sorry, no. Where am I suppose to edit my AVCHD video files? What about the 720p files I shoot on my phone? Store my digitized photo albums, or keep a backup of all the individual songs I bought in case my iPod battery dies?

    One factor they probably didn't count: cost. If smart devices are a threat to any market, it is the netbook. Sorry, the iPad doesn't even come close to touching a venerable Toshiba M400 tablet PC, and an ancient M200 is probably just as good. However, an iPad might compete with my original EEE PC 4G - which I have to nLite XP to get it to fit on (+eeectl = x2 screen brightness for operation in full daylight = awesome).

    Don't get me wrong. I just got an android phone, and its nice - but it is no where near a PC replacement. Heck, a 4" screen for reading emails is iffy, and the web experience is less then great. However, it has a lot of convenience - especially setting it up as a hotspot to use with my laptop when no free wi-fi is around.

    My apologies for being a bit random in my comments... I'm trying to learn to be brief.

    1. Re:Doubt it by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      1.5 yrs until people will not be using Blender, Flash Pro, Visual Studio,

      You are an anomoly. 'People' don't create, they consume.

      or want to engage in some high-end 3D FPSers?

      iPad v4.0, Wii/xBox/Playstation.

      What about the 720p files I shoot on my phone? Store my digitized photo albums, or keep a backup of all the individual songs I bought in case my iPod battery dies?

      Somewhere in the cloud, or the central house NAS.

      Having said that, I agree. My PCs won't be going anywhere anytime soon. But for a lot of people, their little portable device works just fine.

    2. Re:Doubt it by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      However, an iPad might compete with my original EEE PC 4G - which I have to nLite XP to get it to fit on (+eeectl = x2 screen brightness for operation in full daylight = awesome).

      They are in two separate markets. Tablets and cheap laptops. The iPad is not cheap in the least and is more expensive than most decent laptops. Netbooks gained popularity not because they were small, ultra-portable PCs have been doing small since the early 90s, but because they were cheap. Really, with all the restrictions that the iPad gives you with the high price, I'm better off to get a low-end ultra-portable PC if I don't care about the cost, or a netbook plus an iPod touch.

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  27. Supplement not replace by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

    Two years ago they said no one would use a PC, because netbook sales were through the roof. PCs were entirely dead. But people buy netbooks to supplement their PCs. Same with smartphones and tablets.

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    1. Re:Supplement not replace by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Bingo! I have a desktop, laptop, iPad, and iPhone. Each has a different purpose, though the iPad & laptop overlap a bit.

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  28. I for one... by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

    I for one welcome our new Chumby overlords.

    http://www.chumby.com/

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  29. Television example by droidsURlooking4 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Considering buying a new HDTV right now. Many are 'Internet Ready" which means it runs "apps". For a smartphone I suppose "apps" make sense but when I can just a good monitor and put a small Eee pc behind it with hdmi, gigabit ethernet, basically the whole Internet and any "app" I want, those Internet Ready devices fall flat. Why would I limit myself to today's hyped snapshot of the Internet experience? I'll keep them in mind for my fridge though.

    1. Re:Television example by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Why would I limit myself to today's hyped snapshot of the Internet experience?

      Because you don't know how to set up a PC to your TV (or even that such a thing is possible).

      That's probably 80% of consumers.

      Good luck winning that war man.

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  30. Checking my units.... by Georules · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure that 1PC = 1Phone.

  31. No, there are still more PCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think there are more computers in use than portable devices (phones, tablets, pda's, etc.) The difference is, they become dated and/or break much faster and need to be replaced more frequently.

  32. there's no good way to target all the platforms by wiredog · · Score: 1

    There hasn't been that since, well, ever. Unix vs VMS in the 70's and 80's, Mac vs PC vs Sparc (aaah. The fun of endianness...)...

    1. Re:there's no good way to target all the platforms by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but if you targeted Windows, that was 90+%. Which is why there were few games for Mac/Linux/VMS. In the smartphone era, you have to develop for Android & IOS at least. There's no single 90% winner anymore.

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    2. Re:there's no good way to target all the platforms by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      Windows dominance only really happened in the mid '90s. Before then, DOS had a large market share, but Commodore, Atari, Apple, Sinclair and Acorn all had a respectable share of the personal computer market (list of companies varied depending on your location).

      Windows only really started to compete seriously with UNIX workstations with NT 4 (and then, only at the bottom end of that market) in 1996, so if you were writing a CAD application (for example), you'd have to target a few *NIX variants and have fun with their varying levels of POSIX / SUS compliance. You also had to deal with the fact that, to actually do anything, you generally needed to use platform-specific extensions - POSIX threads weren't standard, for example, until 1995 and weren't well supported until some years later.

      In the handheld market, Microsoft has never had a dominant position. I'm not sure that they've ever had even 20% of the market share.

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  33. Not necessarily by Midnight+Ryder · · Score: 1

    You might be thinking too 'inside the box' - for instance, PhoneGap handles pretty much every smartphone OS out there, plus Mac and PC. SO HTML 5 + CSS + JavaScript + (insert JS datahandling concept of choice) has become a VERY viable way of handling a write once then compile for platfom(s) of choice. It's not a solution for every problem, of course - I somehow doubt writing RageHD in HTML 5 is going to be a choice anytime soon. But for 75% of apps out there, it's a good, solid solution. And PhoneGap is by no means the only one out there providing such a solution.

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  34. The PC is dead. Long live the PC! by BigDaveyL · · Score: 1

    Wasn't the PC supposed to die like 15 years ago?

  35. Apples and oranges... by Last_Available_Usern · · Score: 1

    While they are computing devices I don't see why the comparison is being made. None of those devices are really true PC replacements in most senses of the word. Those are devices you use to get some work, or play, done when you don't have the luxury of a full-speed, full-size machine. In this sense they may as well include touch screen MP3 players and eReaders too.

    1. Re:Apples and oranges... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, the headling might as well be stating that it's the end of the PC era because because the Hostess Twinkie is outshipping PCs. In my lifetime I've heard the same prophecy about the end of the PC maybe a dozen times... It has yet to come to be, and has never even come close.

  36. App-enabled device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What in the hell does "app-enabled device" mean anyway? Sounds like somebody was just born yesterday.

  37. Speaking of which by killmenow · · Score: 1

    You can have my pencil and paper when you pry them from my cold dead hands.

  38. No kidding by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

    Doesn't surprise me that there will be more smartphones. After all, phones are heading the way of all phones being smart phones and we are also heading the way of everyone having a personal phone. Wonderful, however that doesn't mean computers are going away. Thus far I've seen no indication that these devices are going to replace computers for work. Phones particularly but the iPad as well are devices well designed for consumption, not production. That's fine for play, not for work. I'm not just talking development, I mean simple things like say e-mail or a spread sheet. I've seen people do e-mail on an iPad, works fine but is much MUCH slower than on a computer.

    I'm sure they'll be plenty of these other devices, but that doesn't mean computers are going anywhere.

  39. No surprise by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 1

    That's because PCs last longer than smartphones, tablets and the like, and people own more of those devices than PCs. The people I know keep PCs for 5-6 years, yet they're replacing their smartphone every 18 months when their carrier offers an upgrade and may replace it more often if it gets broken. And if they have a tablet it's in addition to their smartphone, not in place of it. And then there's their company-issued phone, which is usually in addition to their personal one. Work PCs follow a similar 5-year replacement cycle, but company-issued cel phones tend to follow the 18-month replacement cycle of the carrier's upgrade offers (assuming they aren't broken and require replacement sooner). And tablets will undoubtedly be in addition to cel phones, or used on the job by people who wouldn't normally be issued a cel phone or have their own work PC (think inventory clerk or delivery driver, they may get a tablet in place of the dedicated hand-held terminal device they use now).

    So yeah, given the above, I can see how one PC can equal 2-4 mobile devices. But no mobile device will be able to replace the always-on tower system with the 125W quad-core CPU, 2-terabyte RAID array, 26" or larger high-definition flat-screen monitor and full-sized ergonomic keyboard and mouse. I'll use the smartphone or tablet in situations I can't or don't want to mess with the desktop, but I can't see them ever making the desktop unnecessary.

  40. Start of the true Computing era? Power to the PC! by SplatMan_DK · · Score: 1

    The headline seems a bit melodramatic...

    Why? Because I know several tablet owners and smartphone owners, and not a single one of them would "exchange" their PC with these new gadgets. The mobile devices are more like supplementing their PC's, making private streaming and multimedia editing (among many other things) all the more relevant on a true PC.

    I really can't see this as the end of the PC era in any capacity. All these new devices do is make people more used to having the power of computing accessible at all time. If anything PC usage will increase because users want more power to fill data and content onto their mobile devices.

    Example: When my dad god a smartphone with 24/7 access to picasa, youtube and facebook, he also started using his PC for photo and video editing.

    Another example: When my girlfriend got an iPad she started cataloging our personal photo and video collection and adding quite advanced metadata to the content.

    A third example: When I got a tablet I started structuring much of our personal information in real word documents, scanned PDF files and spreadsheets so it was all easier to take with me on-the-go. And obviously the scanning and document processing capabilities of the PC is lightyears ahead of any mobile device.

    So it's really quite simple: More power in more devices means more needs for the true powerhouse of the bunch: the PC!

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  41. I thought it was 2 years by rossdee · · Score: 1

    I thought the end of everything was in 2 years time (21-Dec-2012)

  42. End of PC era or Beginning of Home Server PC era? by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

    Think about it. Everyone wants easy access and control over their own info. What easier way to achieve this than a centralized home server?

    Want all of your music & movies & data in the "cloud"? Why not just have your own stable cloud at home that can sync & stream your data to all of your fragmented year-long-lifespan (disposable) mobile devices?

    If only someone made a cheap and reliable OS that could work as both a desktop and/or a server... Too bad MS has artificial remote connection limits in their OS, and Apple OS can't be used except on their pricey hardware.

    If only the free and open source Linux OS I use for desktop computing could be also be used as server... ::sigh:: I guess my dreams of owning my own cloud and r-synching encrypted backups between family and friends will never be a reality.

  43. the PC is dead, long live the PC by buback · · Score: 1

    PC's won't die. Terminology might change, but the PC will be around for a very long time.

    here's an example: PDA's "died" about 5 years ago. Smartphones were the future. and today we have iphones and android phones. the OS is different, and the hardware is a generation removed, the the key difference is that PDA's didn't have a cell phone transmitter/receiver.

    I was making skype calls over wifi on my iPAQ ~8 years ago. but, hey, PDA's are dead, right?

  44. Yeah? by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 1

    Supposing this is true, how is it significant? Development and research will still be done on PC, workstation, cluster, or supercomputer, etc. None of which interface with a 4" screen and crap keyboard. And somehow I find it incredibly unimportant that someone who uses such methods has a smartphone for MS Outlook. Something tells me they collaborate with peers in a more... effective manner.

    Maybe the only way this is important is if you're into the stock market and you time it right. Go short some Dell stock or something. That is, of course, if you don't think Dell is agile enough to join the new 'era'.

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  45. Size matters by bromoseltzer · · Score: 1

    What's a iPhone? A tiny PC, that's what. And a PC is a giant iPhone. The story here is that lots of people want to carry a small smart screen around with them, like we didn't know that. It's a good place for little apps, messaging, and small emails -- and making phone calls.

    But sometimes you want a 20 inch screen - or two of them. How much coding is done on the iPhone? How much graphics editing? Where would you want to write your thesis or read Wikipedia? Reading War and Peace on my smartphone is a real chore, but it fits nicely on the Kindle.

    The story is that all the computer ecological niches are being filled: desktop, laptop, small laptop (iPad), and hand-held. Not to mention "real" computers in datacenters. An investor wants to know who's going to make the big profits, but I want one of each, please.

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    1. Re:Size matters by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. My wife tells me that size doesn't matter, and that 4" should be enough for anyone!

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    2. Re:Size matters by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Yup! My iPhone is by far the most portable "computer" I have. It's a good way to read ebooks while getting my oil changed, waiting in a line, or eating lunch. But I never read ebooks on it at home; I use my Kindle or iPad there.

      And only a machocist (sic) would edit a Google Docs speadsheet on an iPhone unless they had to.

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  46. Upgradability... by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

    What these "forecasters" don't seem to understand is that the PC market moves much more slowly. For all practical intents, I can use an upgraded desktop that I purchased in 2005 and have a decent computer that can run most needed applications. Sure, I might not be able to run Super Fancy Game 2011 on it, but for typical computer tasks like e-mail, word processing, browsing the internet, YouTube, etc. it works just fine. But lets consider the smartphone market in 2005. There were no widely used captive touch screens, the iPhone wouldn't be released for another 2 years, and the first Android phone wouldn't be released for another 3 years. A person using a HTC Dream wouldn't be able to run the same basic programs that someone with, say, a Droid 2 could. Yet that is only a 2 year gap in hardware! People are buying more smartphones, tablets, etc. because they don't have a practical life longer than a year or two. You can't get software to run on them, annoying bugs in the OS won't be fixed, etc. On the other hand, if you spend a bit of money and upgrade a mid-range system from 2005, you can run just about any normal program on it.

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  47. And bags of M&Ms overtake Mobile Devices by dmomo · · Score: 1

    It's true. More bags of M&Ms will ship in the next 18 months than all mobile devices combined. This certainly means the end of mobile computing!

    Seriously. I am not sure if these devices are all "replacing" PCs. Sure it may dent PC usage, but it's not exactly a cataclysm. I have 2 mobile devices and three PCs, and will likely buy another PC next year.

  48. Nothing beats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Playing Halo on a 4 inch screen!

  49. Mayan calendar by retech · · Score: 1

    The ancient Mayans predicted this as well as Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce and that Uri spoon bendy guy. This is (for sure) the end of times!

  50. Bicycles far outsell autmobiles, yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I still drive a car to work, to just about everywhere. While I may hop on the bike often enough, in actual use, I drive a lot more than I could ever ride. Same with my phone. And frankly, there have always been more phopnes than PCs. Only now, you can look for porn on one. Sort of. It's hard to exercise the hand option when squinting at a 3-inch view screen.

  51. Re:End of PC era or Beginning of Home Server PC er by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

    All that works just fine except for the cloud part. If you look in most ISP's contracts they don't allow you to run servers without buying a "business class" service.

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  52. I don't believe it by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Show me Netcraft confirms it or it doesn't happen...

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  53. Mobile devices complementary products ... by perpenso · · Score: 1

    This will probably mean the end of Microsoft as well. Likely the beginning of the Year of Linux on the desktop as well.

    I realize you are being humorous due to the year of the desktop reference but some readers should consider the following.

    With respect to desktop and laptop personal computers mobile devices are complementary products not replacement products. Now tablets, they may be replacement products for netbooks.

    At least for regions of the world where people tend to own computers. In other regions the mobile devices are establishing a new market. Today's internet capable smartphone with downloadable apps is tomorrows free-with-your-service low end phone.

  54. ahh..... sure? by BLToday · · Score: 1

    I mean, cellphones in general have out sold PCs for years and we're still using PCs. I don't see a single device that does everything well coming any time soon. Sure you can write a nice long email on a Blackberry but have you try editing excel on it? Tablets are great for my parents to watch their movies or slingbox at their business, but terrible for just about anything else.

  55. Re:The PC is dead. Long live the PC! by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    Well I remember them supposed to have been dying after the birth of Amiga's(which died a screaming fiery death), and after the start of the console revolution(when they went mainstream), and that hasn't happened. And back ~5 years ago when 3 new consoles were launched.

    I foresee the PC being around for a long time still. And probably forever, because there will always be some technology that will require an actual workhorse machine of some flavor.

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  56. just wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    another piece of shit story.

    first flash is soooooo dead, now the pc is soooooooo dead.

    even if the headline is trying to sensationalize slashdot should ignore this crap - its the kind of thing an apple cocksucker would say upon holding an ipad for the first time.

  57. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think this article signifies the end of a person being able to write a sensible article seriously is the world as a whole getting stupider by the minute try thinking and doing some research before writing another lame article.

    The PC era is not going anywhere cloud computing is a fad to some point it does have some good uses although its not a solution for everything and APPS = the dumbest consumer money sucking invention I have ever seen.

    People seriously need to slow down there consuming and realize they are buying useless crap and being resold it every 3 months in a different packing.

  58. End of the cell phone era... by mswhippingboy · · Score: 1

    Another way to look at this is that it's the end of the cell phone era. PCs (in the form of small, handheld computers) are taking over where cell phones used to dominate (i.e. making phone calls).
    The term "PC" (Personal Computer) has been in use since the early 70's, but the desktop machines today are quite a different beast than those of that period. At one time, the term "PC" was used to indicate a particular architecture (based on the IBM PC vs Macintosh, Sparc, PowerPC, etc), but that really doesn't apply anymore since most machines (including the Mac) are based on this same architecture which bears very little resemblance to the original IBM PC.
    Additionally, the lines are very blurred between what a desktop, laptop, tablet & smartphone is. There are products that straddle the lines between each of these general categories.

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  59. Seer-Sucker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "No matter how much evidence exists that seers do not exist, suckers will pay for the existence of seers."

  60. Not all PCs are full-size desktop PCs by tepples · · Score: 1

    PC's are typically upgradeable where these devices are usually just the package deal

    You're right about full-size desktop PCs. But how does one go about upgrading CPU or video on a laptop or a nettop, or upgrading RAM when it's already maxed?

    1. Re:Not all PCs are full-size desktop PCs by mattventura · · Score: 1

      Depends on the computer, but the laptops that tend to be un-upgradeable (apple, cheap laptops, netbooks) are typically targeted towards the market that is okay with buying new devices anyway. The high-end laptop market usually uses socketed CPUs, upgradeable video, and ram caps that won't be obsolete in a year or two (16GB+, some even 32GB).

  61. Bizarre headline. by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure how "all of the PC's competitors' sales put together will finally equal the PC's sales" equates to "Stick a fork in the PC; it's done." It would still have a plurality of market share and be #1.

  62. This is also what killed the dinosaurs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is also what killed the dinosaurs.

  63. Typical usage habits don't suggest replacement by Greguar · · Score: 2

    I don't believe that the majority of these shipped app device units are being used in a true computing capacity. In my day to day exposure, smart phones in particular don't tend to be used for much beyond the capabilities of earlier cell phones.

    Especially among the younger crowd, who now seem to think that owning an iPhone 4 is the new minimum requirement for acceptance by their peers, the typical use seems to mostly comprise texting and music playback, with the occasional use of the camera for taking pictures of their friends while drunk. Facebook has definitely made significant inroads, but not too many people are using advanced features of Facebook or using more complex web applications from their smartphones. Some games are present, which are definitely more impressive than what previously existed as games on cell phones, but which mostly fill the same role: idle time wasters when on the go.

    In my office environment, everyone has a smart phone. No one uses one as a primary email device, a primary web browsing device or a general office productivity device. The dominant use is scheduling, which requires syncronization with their computer-based scheduling, and email & web browsing while not in the office.

    iPads have made some inroads as a computer replacement, with a few people using them as laptop-replacements for meeting notetaking and presentations, but still they're not being used as a primary productivity device.

    I see these mobile devices, currently, as a supplement to personal computers which can be omni-present. Because they fit in a pocket and combine functionality with a required gadget (cell phones), more people are web browsing on the go or performing some tasks that previously may have required access to a computer. They still have syncing relationships to computers that are critical to many of their functions, and most functions still work better from a real computer. I doubt that any time soon you will see someone replacing their work PC with a smart phone, and the consumers that might replace a home PC with one probably didn't use that home PC very much.

    1. Re:Typical usage habits don't suggest replacement by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 1

      See, you're right of course, but your answer is boring. Where's the hype? Where's the sensationalism? Where's the aura of broken paradigms and disruptive technological revolution? You can't sell popular magazines, newspapers, or blog posts with rational discourse. It has to have hype, and pep, and a big Wow factor. Reality just doesn't cut it, so large doses of bullshit need to be folded in to get people's limited attention.

  64. No soap operas on the radio by tepples · · Score: 1

    Compare to radio stations - they are around and kicking even though TV, video and the internet has come.

    But their formats have changed: it's either play-by-play sports, news and political talk, or mainstream music. Gone are comedy, drama, and (in many markets) local music; in particular, there's no soap radio anymore. People in my family end up connecting a radio transmitter to the cable box to listen to MSNBC's Morning Joe and USA's Law & Order and NCIS. My grandmother even listens to the U.S. House and Senate floors on C-SPAN as if it were her soap opera.

    1. Re:No soap operas on the radio by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      Not quite what you are looking for, but awesome anyway.
      http://radio.macinmind.com/
      Old time Radio plays.

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    2. Re:No soap operas on the radio by sabre86 · · Score: 1

      in particular, there's no soap radio [wikipedia.org] anymore.

      That might be the best allusion I've ever seen in an Internet comment. "Surely", I thought, "that's a reference to actual soap opera radio programs and not the anti joke." How long did you wait to do that?

      --sabre86

    3. Re:No soap operas on the radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long did you wait to do that?

      According to the talk page, since 19:17, 20 November 2005.

    4. Re:No soap operas on the radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People in my family end up connecting a radio transmitter to the cable box to listen to MSNBC's Morning Joe and USA's Law & Order and NCIS

      Perhaps they should try using a receiver instead.

    5. Re:No soap operas on the radio by tepples · · Score: 1

      People in my family end up connecting a radio transmitter to the cable box to listen to [TV programs]

      Perhaps they should try using a receiver instead.

      With a Part 15 FM transmitter like the Jupiter Jack, they can use any FM radio in the house as the receiver, including a radio on the other side of the bathroom from the shower.

  65. Stop it already. Just Stop. by hobo+sapiens · · Score: 1

    These stories about the "Imminent demise of technology X in Y months" get really old after a while.

    People are still using winXP, IE, audiocassettes, automobiles, and even vacuum tubes. The era of the PC isn't ending anytime soon.

    Writers should just take the week off if they have nothing valid or interesting to write about.

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    1. Re:Stop it already. Just Stop. by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 1

      They have deadlines to meet. No content, no paycheck. That's what it all boils down to.

  66. Busy day by QuaveringGrape · · Score: 2

    The end of the PC and KDE both predicted on the same day? Seems like some forecasters have too much free time to extrapolate.

    In any case, the data is undoubtedly misinterpreted. I own both a desktop PC and an iPod touch. You might think this to be a neutral statistic: I bought a computer and a mobile device, for a score of 1:1.

    However, I built my computer from scratch, so no "computer" was shipped to me. Therefore my score is 0:1, resulting in the statistical data that I don't own a computer.

    I have a friend who owns a desktop PC, an Android phone, an Android tablet, a netbook and an iPod touch. That's a score of 1:4. Would he give up his desktop? Not a chance.

    See, while it may be true that more mobile devices are being sold than PCs, the statisticians fail to realize that most people have a computer or two in addition to their devices. Some people build their own computers. Some people buy them used. Some people keep on using their old machines because they still work fine. Enough with the "device x is going obsolete because of device y" articles.

  67. Computers vs. appliances by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Right.. I feel like complaining about the fact that smart phones and ipads etc. ARE personal computers

    If applications for a computing device need the device manufacturer's approval before they will run, I call the device an "appliance", not a computer. For example, Apple iDevices are appliances. So are video game consoles and Android phones on AT&T. On the other hand, other Android devices are computers, as are Nokia N900 phones and desktop and laptop PCs.

    1. Re:Computers vs. appliances by RabbitWho · · Score: 1

      You are not qualified to decide what a word means. What you call an appliance could be a parrot.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer

    2. Re:Computers vs. appliances by tepples · · Score: 1

      From the Wikipedia article you linked: "A computer is a programmable machine..." An iDevice isn't programmable by its user unless the user pays $99 per year for the iPhone Developer Program, and the terms of this agreement ban releasing apps that make the iDevice programmable by its user.

    3. Re:Computers vs. appliances by RabbitWho · · Score: 1

      You're just trolling now. The machine is programmable. It doesn't say "A computer is a machine which is programmable at all times by anyone". Someone programmed it, it's still programmable, you get a firmware upgrade it'll be reprogrammed, it's a computer. What else? A butterfly?

  68. We have a new meme! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Netcraft confirms the PC is dying!

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  69. That’s great, it starts with an earthquake.. by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

    That’s great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and snakes, an aeroplane -

    Lenny Bruce is not afraid. Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn -

    world serves its own needs, don’t misserve your own needs. Feed it up a knock,

    speed, grunt no, strength no. Ladder structure clatter with fear of height,

    down height. Wire in a fire, represent the seven games in a government for

    hire and a combat site. Left her, wasn’t coming in a hurry with the furies

    breathing down your neck. Team by team reporters baffled, trump, tethered

    crop. Look at that low plane! Fine then. Uh oh, overflow, population,

    common group, but it’ll do. Save yourself, serve yourself. World serves it's

    own needs, listen to your heart bleed. Tell me with the rapture and the

    reverent in the right - right. You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright

    light, feeling pretty psyched.

    It’s the end of the world as we know it.

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  70. Horrible Summary by Infonaut · · Score: 1

    From TFA: "It may be seen as a historic shift, but it is one that tells more about the creation of a new market, mobile and tablet computing, than the decline of an older one, the PC. Shipments of personal computers will continue to increase even as they are surpassed by other devices."

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  71. No creation of code on iDevices by tepples · · Score: 1

    But if you are trying to create something (prose, music, code, graphics, databases, and so on and so on), then a full-fledged computer is vastly superior.

    Maybe this will change someday, as the interfaces for devices improve and the apps develop.

    Except Apple will not allow creation of code on its iDevices in the foreseeable future, as it circumvents the $600 + $99/yr revenue stream for the iPhone developer program. That's a large part of why I bought a Dell netbook instead of an iPad.

    1. Re:No creation of code on iDevices by igreaterthanu · · Score: 1

      That's only for code that runs on iDevices. Surely Apple would allow php development on the iPad for example. Even though it isn't a very good idea at all.

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  72. Toilet paper will overtake them all by noidentity · · Score: 1

    Have you looked at toilet paper shipments? Far more than PCs and smartphones combined. I predict that toilet paper will overtake both in the next 18 months, signaling an end of phones and PCs. Wait, it meets a different need? Hmmm, maybe phones do as well...

  73. This is stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PCs have a much longer lifespan. I've seen people change phones almost as often as their underwear.

  74. They have to replace the keyboard first by erroneus · · Score: 2

    Sorry, but no. Nothing beats the keyboard for input. We write and write and write all day long. Touch screens are no substitute for a keyboard. There is no substitute for a keyboard yet. Even if they made a hat that lets you think words, it would still not replace the keyboard.

    1. Re:They have to replace the keyboard first by eriqk · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but no. Nothing beats the keyboard for input.

      There's an app for that.

    2. Re:They have to replace the keyboard first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Truth.
      This man speaks (or posts) it.

      Imaginary mod points for you.

    3. Re:They have to replace the keyboard first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      an asshat?

    4. Re:They have to replace the keyboard first by Kittenman · · Score: 1

      Even if they made a hat that lets you think words, it would still not replace the keyboard.

      I have two or three hats, and have never had any problems thinking of words (or more complex concepts, such as 'I wonder what's for dinner', or 'That's a cute blonde over there') under any of them.

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    5. Re:They have to replace the keyboard first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it would

    6. Re:They have to replace the keyboard first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll go a long way to replacing the keyboard if you stop repeating the same point five times in each paragraph.

    7. Re:They have to replace the keyboard first by erroneus · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what you're talking about. What you have said is confusing. I wonder if there is another way to say what you said that would make more sense? I think your point is unclear. What are you talking about?

      (Sometimes in writing, an effective style can be stating the same point in multiple ways or even repeating the same thing several times. It is also effective when speaking though it depends on the audience and their willingness to accept the dramatic or possibly comedic effect.)

    8. Re:They have to replace the keyboard first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if they made a hat that lets you think words, it would still not replace the keyboard.

      If they made a hat that lets you think words, the Dept of Homeland Security would attach a voice synthesizer and mandate that we wear them at all times.

    9. Re:They have to replace the keyboard first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can think words with any hat.
      I've come to the point where I don't even a hat to think words.
      But who was phone?

    10. Re:They have to replace the keyboard first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if they made a hat that lets you think words, it would still not replace the keyboard.

      Personally, I don't need a hat to think words :)

    11. Re:They have to replace the keyboard first by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Uggh, reminds me of crap like Dragon Naturally Speaking and its ilk. They've been promising voice-to-text for well over 25 years now and it's still not a viable reality. Hell, they still can't promise good OCR yet, let alone voice-to-text.

    12. Re:They have to replace the keyboard first by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      All my hat does is sort students into the proper Hogwarts school. I got Hufflepuff.

  75. If only people at work can create by tepples · · Score: 2
    I prefer "author" to "content creator" for various reasons, but that's beside my main point:

    Pundits talk like most people are purely consumers of content, not creators.

    Of course people working for a publisher are more likely to push the misconception that only people working for a publisher can be authors.

    At least in the white-collar world, though, almost everyone is a content creator when they're at work.

    The problem will come when only people who are at work can afford tools to create. This has already happened in video game development; Nintendo requires an office and previous published titles on someone else's platform before it'll sell you a devkit for one of its platforms.

  76. Consuming by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

    By that argument, the iPad is killing the television, not the PC.

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  77. Just you wait by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    As soon as they come out with 3D porn that requires much faster processors and graphics cards to display, sales of PCs will skyrocket again!

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  78. In the future by Rysc · · Score: 1

    In the future everyone will carry a smart phone around with them. When they approach a computer terminal, which will be a stationary mouse, keyboard and monitor, the phone will sync using high bandwidth low-distance wireless protocols. While at the terminal you simply set your phone on the desk/table, or even leave it in your pocket; you might plug it in to the power jack and possibly into an ethernet jack for faster net access (these might be one cable). All of your computing always takes place on your own device, possibly farming out intensive computation to external servers via partially-web/cloud/net-based apps. Storage is local to your phone with a sync service which mirrors to redundant, encrypted storage on a remote service provider silently and in the background, or on demand. Some files may not really existing locally but will be transferred on-demand if they are not in the local disk cache.

    Thus, wherever you go you have your own computer and your own data, all of which is secure.

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    1. Re:In the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so essentially, to make this work, we would need some sort of unified hub. basically modern monitors, keyboards, mouse, speakers etc would all plug into a box of some description.. lets call it a connection portal, or CP. you would also be able to connect your smart phone to the CP and sync all your personal data together.

      wow, i'm going to go patent this "PC" er, i mean "CP" idea... /troll.

      IMO its much easier & cheaper to just use current computers to interface with the keyboard/video/mouse/audio/network, so the technology is there, its just going to be a matter of writing software that's able to handle the functionality. any modern complicated device (ie, one that outputs / inputs that does anything in the field of encoding / decoding) is essentially a computer anyway.

      the hardware is already here, its just a matter of making the software work.
      there really isn't anything stopping someone from writing a linux shell that function like an android phone, auto syncs with the apps and are able to run them, and syncs data with your phone.

    2. Re:In the future by Rysc · · Score: 1

      No. The "Connection portal" would be the smart phone, the bus would be a fat wireless link. Each device would have internally all required hardware and software to perform this communication automatically. The only cord required would be power. A monitor might have a cat5 plug as well for when wired video is preferred.

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  79. Meh. by Fishbulb · · Score: 1

    This is what they predicted when the Newton came out.

    In other news, I predict that sometime in the future everything will be a bit different than it is now.

  80. Device for which all apps are cross-developed by tepples · · Score: 1

    What in the hell does "app-enabled device" mean anyway?

    As I understand the article, it means a computing device that runs applications from multiple developers but for which all applications are cross-developed. This includes, for example, PDAs and Android devices. It also includes appliances that run only applications that have been approved by the appliance platform's gatekeeper, such as a video game console or an iDevice.

  81. I predict! by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    IDC Era Forecasted To End In 18 Months...

    Far more likely.

  82. Enough Already by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 1

    Enough with the "End of the PC Era" hype already. Smartphones and PCs are different. They are used for different things. Nobody uses Photoshop or Maya on a cell phone. Nobody is walking down department store aisles with their PCs or laptops looking up prices. Of course there will be more cell phones than PCs. People get rid of phones far more often than laptops or desktops, and phones are on average much cheaper.

    This is an anachronistic bullshit meme that needs to be abandoned.

  83. Wating for Confirmation... by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Netcraft I need to know!

  84. HA HA HA! by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    "Read"? You must be new here!

  85. *Sigh* by Requiem18th · · Score: 1

    I wish my pc was app-enabled!

    Instead I'm stuck with just like what? 13 thousand packages in the repository plus self published software... and they are not even actual apps, just full blown applications... I'm off to buy an iPad!

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    1. Re:*Sigh* by martas · · Score: 1

      heh, yeah, i LOLed at that terminology too... they're acting like 3rd party software is some kind of revolution. jeeesus...

  86. Here's the device I want by SlashDotDotDot · · Score: 1
    It's about the size of your thumb. It contains storage, processing power, wifi, cell voice/data connectivity, and a battery, but no display. It can plug into various, standardized input/output units including touch screens (ranging from pocket-sized to large tablet), TVs, PC stations (which are just dumb monitor/keyboard/speaker modules), cameras, video game controllers, your car, simple headphones, eInk displays, etc. You can plug and unplug it from these things on-the-fly. Wherever you plug it in, all your app(lications) work in whatever capacity is appropriate to the size and functionality of the display. On your pocket display, they act like smart-phone apps, at your home desk-station, they act like PC applications. You can upgrade your peripherals independently from your core.

    I see no technological barrier to building this family of devices today. Is anyone building it?

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    1. Re:Here's the device I want by Vegemeister · · Score: 1

      And all your apps have to run on a chip with 700 mW TDP. No thanks.

  87. phone software updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except that wireless providers are historically terrible at providing software updates. Apple bucked this trend a bit, and some Android phones have gotten one or two updates. Carriers are still the gatekeepers for the vast majority of phones, though. They want to sell new hardware, not provide new software.

    Until "smart" phones came along, was there really a need for software updates on phones? I've had a Sony-Ericcson W810i for a few years now, and have never had a software update. Can you explain to me why I might need one?

  88. Maybe on volume, but how about value? by wangerx · · Score: 1

    It seems this comparison would be much more interesting if it were based on dollars and not units. This article makes as much sense as saying "the sale of toothpicks is outpacing chopsticks". BTW, I don't plan on doing any of my software development on my Android phone since my current seven virtual desktops is hardly enough real estate to do my work.

  89. So, when did the Automobile Era end? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

    So, when did the Automobile Era end? I'm sure the number of PCs that shipped each year long ago outstripped the number of Automobiles that ship each year. I guess that means that the car-centric era is over.
    While that comparison is slightly more absurd than the point of the article, it still gets at something important: smartphones and PCs are different devices with different uses. When the number of PCs shipped this year is less than the number shipped last year, you can start to talk about the end of the PC Era (of course even then you might be wrong).

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  90. meh by Ramirozz · · Score: 1

    Oh come on! change that yellowish title.

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  91. Brooms and Vacuums by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    Whenever I see the "tablets will replace desktops!" spin, I remember vacuum cleaner ads from before I was born, and how the vacuum cleaner was supposed to replace brooms everywhere, and reduce work too. Funny how almost every home has one vacuum (maybe two or three depending on function), but many homes have more than one broom (standard, whisk, large push broom, etc). The vacuum may leave things cleaner and less dusty, but it requires more work to push it around. Sometimes you just need to brush something up and away.

    1. Re:Brooms and Vacuums by benthurston27 · · Score: 1

      Except I think the PC is the vacuum invented before the broom and now people are using brooms for light work where before they were using vacuums. The article would be saying the broom is going to replace the vacuum for everything.

  92. I hate headlines like this!!!!!!!!!! by BudAaron · · Score: 1

    Lordy - get it right. The PC era isn't ENDING. It's just that other devices will ship more units than PCs. That's 446 million PCs and 468 million phones. That's hardly the end. Let headlines reflect the TRUE story please.

  93. Just like consoles put an end... by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

    ... to PC games!

  94. Someone's drinking the Java kool-aid by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

    I've no idea if you're right or not,
    I just wanted to make a joke about java kool-aid, which now that I think about it...
    Nope, still sounds putrid.

    1. Re:Someone's drinking the Java kool-aid by lehphyro · · Score: 1

      If you have specific technical issues with java portability, I'm all ears, otherwise, you're the one drinking some kool-aid.

    2. Re:Someone's drinking the Java kool-aid by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Read the first line of my post.
      Now read the second.

      Give it a second to sink in

      Now, having fully groked my post, what in the world would make you think I'd know of any technical issue with java portability?

  95. Smartphones need to die. by timeaisis · · Score: 1

    I am so ready for smartphones to be over with. When are we going to get portable wrist computers that display on holoscreens? I don't want the word "phone" in my computing devices anymore. Once some company decides to make a device that just runs on a "data" network, and kills "voice" and "text", phones will finally die, AT&T will finally go out of business and no longer have stranglehold on the market, and I can stop spending $100 on a phone plan every month of my life.

  96. app-enabled devices = locked down devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's the plan...

  97. You're out of touch with the unwashed masses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tell that to the 10mil+ subscribers of WoW. With the new expansion getting released, WoW players are going nowhere. Tell the pro Starcraft players that as well. The average consumer doesn't use their pc much anyway, and most of that can be handled through their ps3 or phone now, so they might stop using it alot less.

    Give it five years, and MMORPGs will be out on smartphones and tablets.

    What about college students? So, how are they going to type up their exams now. On a smartphone? I think it would be absolutely horrid to write a thesus using a phone. Ouch.

    I expect most college students already spend twice as much time on their phones as they do typing papers.

    18-months? Really?

    Okay, that's pretty unrealistic. Five years, maybe.

    Now, I consider myself an avid pc gamer, and I have no plans to move away from that anytime soon, plus the 6 cores are starting to roll out in larger numbers. 3-D technology is getting implemented more and more into PC's (I believe it is NVidia who is doing a bunch of stuff with it).

    The vast majority of the population is not composed of avid PC gamers. And smartphones now have dedicated 3D graphics chips too. They're already vastly more powerful gaming systems than handhelds like the DS, with title availability and input/control the main limiting factors.
     

    The thing is that PC's can do so much more than a smartphone, and PC's are upgradable (not just software, but hardware) and it won't void your warranty (well I guess if you buy a PC from Dell or something it might since I don't know the rules with pre-made machines). The point is that as pc's evolve, you can easily evolve and adapt with the times by upgrading your PC. To do this with a smartphone means that you need to buy a new phone. Not all that smart if you ask me

    Smart is not something you have to worry about.

    While I don't think for a minute that PCs will disappear, most people don't use their PCs that way. They don't upgrade their PCs, even if their PCs are upgradable. Half of them have laptops that essentially can't be upgraded (except for memory.) They'd rather spend $500 every two years on a the next model smartphone/iPad.

    Yes, I know, you're thinking, "What a bunch of idiot n00bs!"

    Give it another five years, and kids'll be so used to the touchscreen that using a mouse, keyboard, and display seem weird. Like driving a car from the back seat.

  98. Way past Six by Avatar8 · · Score: 1
    During the infancy of computers, various quotes were flung about such as "The world will never need more than six computers," and "No one would ever want a computer at home." I'll file this along with these outlandishly wrong statements, but I'm guessing "end of PC era" will be forgotten much sooner than the others.

    People that know how to use a computer to its full potential will continue to do so. Those that use a computer for e-mail and internet might as well use a smart phone. Of course shipments of phones will outnumber PCs. Phones are much cheaper, more available, less complicated and more disposable than a PC. Service providers *want* every person to have a phone so they get cheaper and cheaper. If Microsoft wanted a PC in every house, they'd give away a computer with every copy of Windows sold.

    Having worked in IT for 26+ years, I'm pretty tired of computers. I know I'll always be using a computer as a basic tool, but I (hopefully) won't be working ON them for the rest of my life. Still I'd much rather use a PC for anything that a smart phone offers. I just last year upgraded to a phone that can text. I certainly don't want one to surf the internet and cost me extra for such a service when I can get the exact same content with a better interface and experience for much cheaper on a PC, mobile or otherwise.

    The PC era will never end. We're doomed to evolve with them.

  99. Death of the prosumer? by presidenteloco · · Score: 1

    One thing thing that makes me sad about this is that app devices with touchscreens etc. are largely about consuming content as opposed to producing it.
    Sure, you can produce chirps, squawks, tweets whatever they're called, like a hungry cookaburra chick (I want to be FED!!)

    But no-one is going to write the next great scientific paper, the next insightful essay, or the next great American novel one tweet, one google-search,
    or one mobile coupon at a time, are they?

    Everyone's goal should be to produce more quality stuff/experience/knowledge/wisdom than they consume. Or at least to be occasionally in output mode instead of tribe-following input mode with a channel changer.

    These devices aren't going to help.
     

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    1. Re:Death of the prosumer? by davidbofinger · · Score: 1

      Everyone's goal should be to produce more quality stuff/experience/knowledge/wisdom than they consume.

      Are you seriously suggesting everyone should, e.g., write more than they read?

      It's unclear to me what "consume" means in the context of e.g. wisdom, anyway.

      The argument falls down because culture is WORM - written once but potentially read by many.

  100. dumb by tudorl · · Score: 1

    Yeah right ... who in their right mind will give up the old trusty 101 keyboard for a touch* b***s*** device???

  101. In other news: automobile era ended too! by goodmanj · · Score: 1

    Last year, far more computers were sold than cars. Therefore, the automobile era is over, right?
    More cups of coffee were sold than houses. Therefore, the housing era is over, right?

    "A sold more than B" does not say anything about the importance of B.

  102. sensationalism by ecloud · · Score: 1

    This is just an attention-whoring headline, nothing more. Yeah so other devices sell more than PCs... doesn't mean people will stop using PCs. I can't imagine doing everything I need to do on such small screens. For the kind of light reading / heavy video watching that passes for web surfing with most people, it's understandable, but not for some kinds of work.

    Oh and for those who say "finally, good riddance to MS" well we just have new overlords on the other devices. Thank goodness Android and Meego offer some alternatives to the Apple app lock-in. It's the same story all over again with Apple replacing MS this time around, except that this time the playing field is somewhat less tilted at the beginning.

  103. "Forecasted" ? Really? by markzip · · Score: 1

    I may not be much of a grammarian, but shouldn't the title read "PC Era Forecast To End In 18 Months"? "Forecasted" just looks and sounds ugly to me. It's an irregular verb and thus disobeys some rules.
    Cite: Forecast or forecasted? (itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com)
    Cite: English Verb - To Forecast (writingenglish.com)

    Apart from that pedantic observation, I concur with those suspicious of the source and methodology. Market researchers are interested in selling reports to those interested only in high margin expanding markets.

    Anecdote: My father finally decided to upgrade his computing experience and after much thought and consultation we decided replace his ancient desktop PC with a 15 inch laptop. This combined the speed he wanted with a screen size which meant that he and my mother would not have to squint at the new screen.

    BTW, as part of the consultation process, my father asked me "What's the difference between a program on my computer and an app?" Good question.

  104. Haha! by Corson · · Score: 1

    A decline in PC shipments means that everybody has 2-4 PCs at home so what people buy now, out of boredom, is smartphones. Wait until they realize the game experience on a smartphone is *so* different from that on a PC, then we'll see another surge in PC shimpents, ans so on. I wonder, who paid that reasearch company to come up with those conlusions?

  105. Yeah. Wake me up when it really happens. by Chas · · Score: 1

    THE PC IS DYING!

    This has been a clarion call for all these niche platform markets for DECADES now.

    Funny, but the PC still seems quite sprightly! And it's not an "undead" kinda sprightliness. My brains have gone uneaten now for years.

    Basically this is a bunch of marketing jackasses trying to create "spaces" to sell into. Basically hawking a bunch of only semi-useful crap that people really don't need if they have a PC. Is some of it nice to have? Sure. But just about all the functionality is STILL better on a PC (save the mobility thing). And the thing is, they're not really hawking the products themselves. They're looking to cash in on all the peripheral "services". Setup, maintenance, upgrades, troubleshooting, etc. Not to mention possible subscription-style fees.

    I don't want to game on my phone. I don't want to watch postage-stamp resolution videos on my phone. I don't want to waste time texting, sexting, tweeting, blogging, IM'ing, etc on my phone. I don't want to word-process on my phone. I don't want to edit images on my phone. I don't really wanna listen to music on my phone. I want to make PHONE CALLS. If I have to, I want a semi-to-very useful web browser (WEB, not web video), and if it takes halfway decent pics on occasion, great. But if it don't no big deal. And I want it to have a useful contact list/address book for memorization of contact info (including phone numbers). That and if it can do GPS and mapping, great. It's useful, but if it's not there, I won't cry. I don't need stock apps, magazine apps, fart apps, or any other kind of useless time-money-and-battery-wasting apps.

    The PC is here until something truly better can come into all it's niches and outdo it. Until that happens, this is just a lot of flapping gums and hands outstretched, begging for money.

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  106. Vocabulary by Lucidus · · Score: 1

    Dear Cmdr Taco: The past tense of 'forecast' is just 'forecast.'

  107. You mean "desktop era" by mario_grgic · · Score: 1

    Handheld computers are personal computers as well in the sense they are personal and computers :D.

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  109. What about longevity? by Firethorn · · Score: 1

    What about longevity, besides just present installed base? Right now most smart phones are being sold with a 2 year contract; I'm willing to bet that most don't make it lng past that. Most computers probably last 3-5 years. For every geek that buys another computer every year, you probably have at least one apple-fan who upgrades his I-phone whenever a new one comes out, whether it's a year old or just a month.

    So sales would have to be ~50% higher for smartphones to merely equal computers, over time.

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  110. Eventually... by slmcav · · Score: 0

    .. aren't all those devices attached via USB cable to .... wait for it.... a PC!

  111. Car era will end sometime, as everything else by Steeltoe · · Score: 1

    Peak oil anyone?

    1. Re:Car era will end sometime, as everything else by kaizokuace · · Score: 1

      What about well after peak oil? What about all the oil based products we rely on? When all the oil is gone what happens then?

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    2. Re:Car era will end sometime, as everything else by Black+Gold+Alchemist · · Score: 1

      Two links:

      Link 1
      Link 2

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    3. Re:Car era will end sometime, as everything else by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      I was told in 3rd grade (1978) that all the oil would be gone by the year 2000. Now it's almost 2011 and there is no end in sight. Plenty of wars over imaginary supply fears and OPEC monopolies, but no shortage of black stuff in the ground for us humans to burn.

    4. Re:Car era will end sometime, as everything else by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      It's taken you 32 years to figure out that 3rd grade teachers lie??? Guess what else they lied to you about!

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  112. Re:Bunghole by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    In other words, TP > PC?

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  113. Grrr. Traceable GPS in my PCs by vlueboy · · Score: 1

    <TINFOIL HAT>
    Current cellphone GPS doesn't need a valid subscription to make 911 calls and help the authorities track your location in case of an accident --US taxes already pay for that feature. Consider that we've had the simpler radio coverage as WiFi on PC's through retail stores like Best Buy and even Staples. Consider that GPS is in almost every digital cellphone sold this decade. Consider how antennae are no longer visible for Centrino Wifi or GPS Cellphones. With security theater plus TPM and DRM spreading, it's only a matter of time before the US and China mandate a "backport" of cellphone GPS to our PC hardware.

    This requires

    • A covert chip added to every mobo --only a couple giants to contact covertly for the most part of home boards.
    • A current network --covert wire-taps cost users nothing, and these will probably be free. The hardest part is bundling multiple trasnceivers for cross-carrier compat anywhere in the country for CDMA and whatever the other two EDGE formats are.

    I'm sure it will take years... if it hasn't been implemented in secret
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  114. Re:Start of the true Computing era? Power to the P by tftp · · Score: 1

    Any given technology can be optimized for maximum performance (a home computer) or for maximum battery life (a portable computer.) It is possible, theoretically, to connect a 24" LCD monitor to your iPhone, but the video resolution will be so bad that you will hate the day Steve Jobs was born. And who would want to sit at home and read news on a tiny screen when he has a whole wall of a screen right in front of him? Why would you want to dig a trench with a screwdriver? Why would you want to turn a tiny screw with a shovel? You want to use a right tool, not the tool that you happen to have.

    The home computer will always be faster - or at least until such a time when a portable computer is "fast enough." This can happen, actually, if all the calculations are moved off of your hardware and onto some big cloud in the sky. Then all you have is a terminal, and it doesn't matter how fast it is. But we aren't there yet, and probably won't be there for a good time because the video bandwidth that modern cards push around is quite impressive.

    The only viable case of a convergence that I can see today is a family that is not much into computers. That family can use their smartphones during the day, and at home they drop them in some cradles; that connects them to some LCD panels with somewhat better resolution, and to the keyboard/mouse. Then they can type emails, edit some photos, and browse the Web. Pacman, maybe, or a snake. Not much else. But for them it may be enough.

  115. One could argue the smartphone IS a PC. by DaveWick79 · · Score: 1

    If someone is seriously replacing a desktop or laptop PC with a smartphone, then it becomes their PC. The reality is, people will always buy more smartphones than PC's because 1) you don't accidently drop your desktop in a puddle and have to replace it, 2) Many families share a PC or two but each family member has a phone, and 3) the cost of the smartphone (subsidized, true) is less than a PC.

    Sure, I would expect smartphone, tablets, and the ubiquitous "Other app enabled devices" to outsell PC's. The headline makes it sound as if as soon as smartphones outsell PC's by one unit, noone will ever buy a PC again, which is utterly thoughtless.

  116. so true by formfeed · · Score: 1

    I for one have three bikes at home and only two cars, does that mean that the era of the car is over at my house?

    Now that you mention it: I have two bathrooms but only one refrigerator.

  117. Differing types of users? by Firethorn · · Score: 2

    My monthly internet and phone costs are amazingly similar, actually. Wtihin $10. $70 for cell phone, $70 for home phone/internet

    I'd be more willing to buy unsubsidized phones if the phone companies were willing to give me unsubsidized connection plans.

    One thing to remember is that just because the low end of one market overlaps the high end of another, doesn't mean that you're going to get all that many people who buy cheap for one and expensive for the other.

    Not many are going to buy a $30k Motorcycle and a $16k econobox car.

    Of course, my newest phone was nearly $200(subsidized), my last computer was ~$1000, my last laptop $700.

    I don't go with cheap computer equipment; but my computers generally last 6 years(3 mainline, 3 as a server/backup/other). I'm seriously considering a tablet or netbook for my next portable computer; the screen for my phone just isn't big enough for everything.

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  118. Not the end of PCs, just the PC-centric "Era." by weston · · Score: 1

    This isn't about PCs disappearing. This is about the bulk of personal "computing" moving onto devices other than PCs*. And even if it's overstated in the article, it's essentially sound as a trend. For people who aren't authoring (and even some who are), PCs are more or less overkill.

    None of this means PCs won't be produced or used. They'll just likely become a minority in a larger sea of devices. Or, as his Steveness says, PCs will be like trucks. That's the end of the PC-centric Era, and it's not a particularly controversial idea.

    * Where PC means the desktop/workstation form factor that terms has come to signify. Yes, I know, technically it means "personal computer" and you could grandfather anything with a CPU into that; doesn't change the fact the term PC has come to mean something more specific and it's this usage the article is running with.

  119. Not likely by LongearedBat · · Score: 1

    In offices: PC's are often the most suitable option, though they don't need to be so big. (See MacMini.)
    With gaming: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1900220&cid=34482708

  120. Discrepancy in era definition? by FatalChaos · · Score: 1

    I agree with people that PCs aren't going to disappear in 18 months (and you can pry my keyboard from my cold, dead hands), but from a business perspective the PC era does seem to be over. After all, as another person pointed out, business isn't just about raw numbers, it's also about growth. At this point, it does seem like the PC market is relatively saturated, and I doubt many new competitors want to come in and try and push HP and Dell out. Thus, form a growth perspective, yeah, the current market for firms to enter is the smartphone and tablet market, so in that sense the PC era is (temporarily) over.

  121. Meh... by Kees+Van+Loo-Macklin · · Score: 1

    So, you are saying a whole multitude of devices combined can outsell a singe device. So what?

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  122. Another Sign of the Apocalypse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have bigger problems. You can now trade AMEX rewards points for virtual crap in FarmVille and other "social" games. I know that all the rewards are fundamentally just coupons, but this is like coupon porn. These games don't push the graphics envelope, so you can be comfortable playing them on your tablet or similar device. They must be in cahoots.

  123. 18 months... by alxkit · · Score: 0

    18 months, huh? Right in time for the end of the world...

  124. Your definition of a "PC" by bm_luethke · · Score: 1

    It largely depends on yoru definition of a PC. I'm too lazy to look it up, nor is it an original idea (many of us thought this *well* before it was wrote) but ESR has a great article about the future of computing and how it is converging on a single small device.

    So, we are going away from the PC to the Tablet - OK, what makes it a tablet vs a PC? The interface? There is no reason whatsoever that I can not get a PC with a touchscreen and get that interface with all the versatility of the PC. The form factor? Well I can't certainly get that PC performance and nice touch screen in a tablet yet but heck, we are close to it.

    Lets take the Apple MacBook Air - and easy target as it is currently a widely known set standard. So where does that fit in? Apple wants us to think it isn't a PC, isn't a Tablet, but something in between - yet it *is* a PC replacement we are looking at corporate wide. There isn't anything really lacking there either (well, other than application availability for Mac OS, though bootcamp and a purchase of Windows Professional would fix - but that is software and mostly irrelevant to what we are discussing). In what we call the 'PC" world (by that we mean windows based) you can for the same price as it and get a CPU two generations later, twice the ram and slightly faster, a built in DVD-writer, and a few other hardware upgrades for the same price, weight, and a one inch thick instead of .8 inches thick form factor (we just purchased a Sony VAIO at work equipped as such). So it isn't Apple has any truly special hardware there either - their advertising campaign is quite correct about where that device fits in. Give us a good port replicator (ours has yet to arrive so I can't say how it will work) and the only reason to do otherwise is cost (~1600 for the laptop plus the port replicator and whatever monitor you choose is four or more times the cost of a desktop similarly equipped, but then it doesn't weigh a few pounds and fit in a folder either). Truly that "PC's" form factor is close enough to the tablets that if it had as convenient and OS as they do it would supplant them.

    Add in that phones are quickly looking at multiple core 1.5+ ghz processors and multiple ports/outputs/inputs and the line becomes really blurred hardware wise. Indeed, we are already seeing phones that can *capture* as decent quality as their optics allow 1080p video and play any 1080p video stream at full quality as well as a dedicated Blu-Ray player - those lines are blurring. With some of them add a port replicator and hardware wise you are going to be hard pressed to find a difference. Further given time and it being primarily a software issue the following statement comes to mind - once a problem is totally software anything is fixable, it just is a matter of time. So yes, these firms are correct. However one has to note they are wanting money for their advice and, while correct from a strict standpoint the hardware convergence has some time to go and the software had a great deal left. It isn't remotely time to have them the same or invest as such - but long term that is where we are very much moving.

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  125. Go ahead and say what you like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go ahead and say what you like, but I don't own a smart phone. I own a PC. I can do a lot of work at a PC. I can't see anyone doing a spreadsheet on a smartphone. I don't see anyone writing software on a smartphone. I see people creating software for a smartphone on a PC. I don't see any video editing on a smart phone. I don't see people chucking a PC after 18 months. I see people chucking smartphones all the time after just 18 months. I can't put a PC in my pocket. I can't easily use the PC in the car while I'm driving. I've seen lots of people cut other people off in traffic while talking on the smartphone. I've seen lots of people running red lights, not going till past the New York Minute(tm) at a new green light (and give a sour look in the rear view mirror and speed after being coached with a horn from behind). You can't do these things with a PC. I agree that smart phones are likely going to ship more than PC's, but I don't see smart phones being more useful in more ways than a PC.

  126. KEYBOARDS TO VANISH IN 12 MONTHS THANKS TO APPLE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The venerable typewriter keyboard, used for almost 100 years, will all but disappear thanks to Apple's iPad. This journalist thinks it's just keen.

  127. PC era ended January, 2007 by gig · · Score: 1

    The PC era ended in January of 2007 when Apple introduced the iPhone. When we look back 20 years from now, we won't mark the point at which mobile smartphones and mobile tablets outsold PC's as the changing of the guard, we'll mark the original iPhone because it was the first mobile with a PC-class operating system, applications, and Web browser.

    The HTML4/Flash era of the Web also ended in January of 2007, as well as the WML/WAP era, and the HTML5/MPEG-4 era of the Web began. That is also when the Web changed from being a PC/IT platform to being a consumer platform. Again, we won't look back 20 years from now to the point where there was more HTML5 on the Web than HTML4, or the point where there was more MPEG-4 on the Web than Flash, or even the point in 2010 when all the browsers turned on their HTML5 parsers by default. We'll look back to the original iPhone because it was the first HTML5/MPEG-4 -only system that Web developers had to support, and the first true consumer Web browser.

  128. Not entirely a joke: see ADA by tepples · · Score: 1

    You intended your post as a joke, but when I first read it, I didn't think "joke" but instead "ADA requirement". Governments have been outlawing round doorknobs in favor of levers in an effort to make buildings more accessible to people with disabilities. To what extent are these handheld devices as compatible with assistive devices as PCs?

  129. Desktop PCs are for work; tablets are for home by tepples · · Score: 1

    a 4 core CPU for compiling and creating movies and photo editing (all at the same time if I want to)

    The pundits would assume that "compiling and creating movies" are something that only employees and hardcore enthusiasts do. Photo editing can work on a handheld device, especially at the 10 Mpx or so of entry-level compact digital cameras; any bigger than that and you're either an employee or a hardcore enthusiast. So I guess the pundits would conclude that only employees and hardcore enthusiasts need desktop PCs.

  130. When computers are for offices by tepples · · Score: 1

    After all, phones are heading the way of all phones being smart phones

    Heading slowly, at least in the United States of America where dumbphone service for occasional use can cost as little as $65 per year (Virgin Mobile USA) but data plans for smartphones are far more expensive.

    Thus far I've seen no indication that these devices are going to replace computers for work.

    Unless you get to a situation where offices will have computers. Once Apple kicks the iPad's dependency on iTunes software for iOS updates, homes will start to have appliances instead of computers.

  131. Desktops vs. phones: what about laptops? by tepples · · Score: 1

    And without your dock close at hand, you're stuck on a tiny screen with no physical keyboard.

    Without being close at your desk, your point is moot.

    You appear to have forgotten laptops, you know, computers that use your lap as your desk. I ride public transit to and from work, and I pass the time by coding on my 10" netbook.

    1. Re:Desktops vs. phones: what about laptops? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      If every desk or seat worthy of performing work at provides KVM access, pairing up wirelessly would get rid of the need to carry all that dead-weight. And you wouldn't need to close your notebook, hibernate, and/or shutdown. Just un-pair and walk away. When you find another place to sit down and work, just re-pair to its KVM and resume work. All while leaving the phone in your shirt pocket.

      That's somewhat seamless functionality. Would be nice to have, yes?

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  132. And a play station is... by tepples · · Score: 1

    a train station is where the trains stop, a bus station is where the buses stop

    What does that mean for the video game consoles sold by Sony Computer Entertainment?

    1. Re:And a play station is... by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Sorry, budy, I wouldn't know. I only own a workstation.

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  133. HTPC usability by tepples · · Score: 1

    when I can just a good monitor and put a small Eee pc behind it with hdmi, gigabit ethernet, basically the whole Internet and any "app" I want, those Internet Ready devices fall flat.

    Except home theater PCs aren't very common except among geeks. One reason is connecting a stock PC with a stock desktop OS to a TV falls flat on user interface. Most such devices aren't preconfigured for a 10-foot UI to start playing music, videos, web pages, and PC games. Nor do they even come with an easy tool to calibrate text size for your combination of TV size, resolution, and seating distance. I've asked other users about the problems with HTPCs and compiled some of their thoughts here.

    Why would I limit myself to today's hyped snapshot of the Internet experience?

    Because "today's hyped snapshot" is easier to learn to use from one's couch with a TV-style remote control.

  134. Personal Computer by Ender_Wiggin · · Score: 1

    Isn't the term Personal Computer becoming anachronistic? A minicomputer might have been considered small when the term was first coined, but today the term is useless. As for Personal computing, my iPhone is more personal to me than my laptop. Should we rethink these terms and call current PCs something new?

  135. Layne's Law by tepples · · Score: 1

    So we have a Layne's Law issue; now let's solve it. The PIC microcontroller or whatever in your microwave is a computer too, but most people don't think of that when they hear "computer" because it's embedded in an appliance. What is a short, catchy term by which one should refer to an end-user-programmable computer in statements to the public?