She pointed out that it was an almost gratuitous manner in which they used curses and was probably unnecessary to tell the story. That could probably be arguable but she likened that swearing to people using the bathroom. Everyone does it but we don't see it in movies unless it's got an important plot point (see Pulp Fiction or Unforgiven).
Rocco: Fucking... What the fuck. Who the fuck fucked this fucking... How did you two fucking fucks...[shouts]
Rocco: fuck!
Connor: Well, that certainly illustrates the diversity of the word.
Everything is twisted for ratings and if you go on TV thinking anything else you're naive and deserve what you get. Only if I get to be like Patrice O'Neal and get to explain what a Donkey Punch and an Angry Pirate are on a news show will I feel like I've done something worth my time.
But with China and Russia making their own ICANN of sorts it seems to make sense for ICANN to become a free and neutral international department. If it's going to be a WORLD WIDE WEB for much longer and not the US tubes, EURAsia tubes, Russia tubes, and China Tubes something has to give now.
ICANN becoming their own international organization with no country has to be one of those things.
Anything you do that is totally useless but you will dote on for hours like total nerd is art.
No, that's just being a nerd...
Be creative. Make a pretty garden. Build a model ship. Conjure up an elegant equation. Design an elegant and efficient circuit (when you're not required to for work). Think of a mathematical proof for an already proven theorem because you think the existing proof isn't elegant.
Now that I can agree with, at least in my mind, as art for geeks. As I said at the top of this. Not everyone will like everything that is out there. Some "art" people will go on about why this artist is good in front of one of their pieces where as we'll enjoy the aesthetics of mother boards at the local computer shop talking about why it's better than the one next to it.
Do I personally believe that there is a difference between what is ART and what isn't... Of course I do, but as we've proved (to death) it's all in how it's viewed and my view my be different than yours. If art to you is a well put together garden, a piece by H.R.Giger, or even a well crafted D&D character more power to you. But, please, don't take anything away from the men and women who make their livings creating their artistic expressions for others to enjoy.
I know many artists that create works they know they have to sell in order to eat
Then they are not being artists when they create it.
Then what are they being? The next closest thing I can come up with is craftsmen at that point. They are using their talents in a craft make money. Then so would people in IT, we aren't programmer and admins, we're craftsmen. But what about the pieces that they did not intent to be success? Where they WHERE passionate about it during it's creation and sold it despite themselves.
besides, It's not a profession as much as a way of life. It takes artists to model movie sets and any form of entertainment. Just like acting. Is acting or being in a band or singing a profession? It's a fine line. It's a honed skill. Something that takes many years working.
If he/she created it to sell regardless of whether he/she admires it, then it's utilitarian.
Actually, just from watching the process from the outside you can see a BIG difference in the process for the pieces for selling, for their enjoyment, and the ones that they think will bridge the gap between the two.
I know many artists that create works they know they have to sell in order to eat, they don't have the same passion and flair to them as they create as the pieces they make for themselves or that become surprise success. Yes, the creator creates for themselves, but (as much as they'll deny it) they need to be able to move pieces off galley walls and will make works that appeal to the audience while still maintaining their integrity as an artist.
So, while MOST of their work is in their eyes some of the time they will be thinking of what will sell and, in the case of commissioned work, what the client wants to see.
They are like a kid sitting in a grade school class who raise their hand in response to a poll by the teacher because they assume that if everyone else is raising their hands, that must be the right answer.
But, this goes back to the title of the thread. It's all subjective. If you feel that it is art when someone craps in a can and sells it to snobs, then by all means, that is art. I feel there is more merit in the piece made by the girl winging paints at a canvas out of anger over being dumped than a four year old pushing paints around one of her daddy's canvases and being told she's a genius. It's all in the eyes of the viewer. I PERSONALLY don't feel that certain things and people that are in the art world belong there or with as much accolade as they have.
But, that's me and I'm just a geek, so what do I know
That's horrible! I nearly choked when I saw giger.com.
What?! His works are safe for work. Just not what most slashdotters would call art, which is sad, cuz he has done set design for a few sci-fi movies if I'm remembering right.
"Art is not simply something that someone made that you like to look at/listen to/read/etc."
Yeah, actually it is.
I find it hard to believe that people like Britney Spears are truly artists in anything but the loosest use of the word and not just media pawns or Marla Olmstead is an actual "artist" as we like to think of them and not just a child who like to paint whose parents are trying to score some coin from said snobs and media buzz.
It's not the product that is art, it's the process and the producer that makes it art. You can say ANYTHING is art, but is it really an artistic expression or an excuse for money and/or nudity and/or fame?
Cocaine? Sky Diving? Hockey? Sneaking illegal immigrants/substances across the border?
...playing Animal Crossing on my DS, and why I'm a fool for paying a subscription to an online game.
OH! Really you can't. At least not from Animal crossing, and if you're looking for an adrenal rush from Animal Crossing... You have issues... You're not a fool, that's your thing. I get my rush from the gym and the like.
The Mona Lisa is just a painting of some chick, I just don't see the big deal.
Leonardo did some stunning works and his notebooks are far more interesting than the Mona Lisa IMHO. The thing I hate is that his works that really where are art at the time (at least to him (I hope)) are being lost to time and fading in memory and what we're left with are his commissioned works of a portrait of some woman and a mural of John 13:21...
The most common uses of property taken by eminent domain are public utilities, highways, and railroads. Some states require that the government body offer to purchase the property before resorting to the use of eminent domain.
But, I highly doubt that that would work in this case because it's not physical property and as so many have pointed out, we never owned it to begin with
Even if it's segregated "art for geeks" it may not really be art. Of course, some critics may say that it was never art to begin with. Art is not simply something that someone made that you like to look at/listen to/read/etc. Part of it is the creative process that made the art that makes that art worth taking in and thinking about. To someone in the art world, Giger may be seen as a genius but to someone like your average slashdot reader a mother board or the latest Linix kernel may be more of a piece of art than something Giger could ever produce.
Then again, IANAA and M.C. Escher is my favorite M.C...
or was this always private and I missed that memo? I remember setting up a TV with the ol' rabbit ears and tin foil and it worked for "free" no problems. If now we're being charged for what we as a people owned isn't that the government taking our property? I mean yeah it's not a physical thing and it's the FCC's job to regulate it, but it's there also a law about government not taking what's yours without compensation?
That would be a hoot and a kick to the economy. We'll sell this then give EVERYONE part of the sale price back as compensation for the reclaimed property.
Plus I tend to not buy other games since I know that I probably won't even play them, so in the end I've actually saved money by Playing wow. Paying $15/month to play a game instead of paying at least $50 for a new game about every month.
My solution was getting open ended games. After I beat Animal Crossing, Oblivion, Marrowind (I know, but my girlfriend got me hooked on Oblivion before I beat Marrowind) and Wii Sports. I'll buy some new games...
There are 10 million people willing to pay to play a game they already payed once for? And all they get out of it is to complain about gold farmers and griding hours of their life away for another item that the company can just create (which in of itself is utterly useless to the rest of their life)?
Wow! And I thought I was odd for selling fish to a raccoon to pay off my virtual house in bells... I kind of don't feel so bad because I'm not paying for it in real money each month... And I can take my DS with me...
Nah, like you would any job. They advertise them internally and externally, but aside from the money I really don't know WHY you'd want to be in management. It removes you from useful rotation.
Not sure there can be much more innovation in this arena than has already taken place over the past few thousand years, but the advent of wireless communications certainly makes for interesting possibilities.
Nonono! I said Innovation OR screwing the customer... Not innovation FOR screwing the customer
Like the RIAA and Oil companies this is the last gasp of a company that can't adapt to the changing market demand with anything that won't screw the customer. Also like the above mentioned you have little choice in the immediate, all the options being talked about are down the road ideas. So, they're going to bend the customer over and get what more money they can before they die a painful death.
Which is more profitable? Innovation or screwing the customer?
Man, I just keep thinking of MI:2 where they make a super virus because they where trying to make a super vaccine.
We keep washing 99.9999% of germs and bacteria off ourselves and we seem to be getting sicker and the germs seems to be getting tougher (MRSA). When I was a kid was played in dirt then came in and grabbed a sammich and went out to play more... Damn life was sweet... Most of us are fine! It's not until we get into the "bacterial hand lotion" kicks that I see my peers dropping like flies...
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Rocco: fuck!
Connor: Well, that certainly illustrates the diversity of the word.
Everything is twisted for ratings and if you go on TV thinking anything else you're naive and deserve what you get. Only if I get to be like Patrice O'Neal and get to explain what a Donkey Punch and an Angry Pirate are on a news show will I feel like I've done something worth my time.
But with China and Russia making their own ICANN of sorts it seems to make sense for ICANN to become a free and neutral international department. If it's going to be a WORLD WIDE WEB for much longer and not the US tubes, EURAsia tubes, Russia tubes, and China Tubes something has to give now.
ICANN becoming their own international organization with no country has to be one of those things.
Do I personally believe that there is a difference between what is ART and what isn't... Of course I do, but as we've proved (to death) it's all in how it's viewed and my view my be different than yours. If art to you is a well put together garden, a piece by H.R.Giger, or even a well crafted D&D character more power to you. But, please, don't take anything away from the men and women who make their livings creating their artistic expressions for others to enjoy.
besides, It's not a profession as much as a way of life. It takes artists to model movie sets and any form of entertainment. Just like acting. Is acting or being in a band or singing a profession? It's a fine line. It's a honed skill. Something that takes many years working.
I know many artists that create works they know they have to sell in order to eat, they don't have the same passion and flair to them as they create as the pieces they make for themselves or that become surprise success. Yes, the creator creates for themselves, but (as much as they'll deny it) they need to be able to move pieces off galley walls and will make works that appeal to the audience while still maintaining their integrity as an artist.
So, while MOST of their work is in their eyes some of the time they will be thinking of what will sell and, in the case of commissioned work, what the client wants to see.
But, that's me and I'm just a geek, so what do I know
His works always make me think of Alien though
It's not the product that is art, it's the process and the producer that makes it art. You can say ANYTHING is art, but is it really an artistic expression or an excuse for money and/or nudity and/or fame?
You're not a fool, that's your thing. I get my rush from the gym and the like.
I may be thinking of Eminent domain (United States)
The most common uses of property taken by eminent domain are public utilities, highways, and railroads. Some states require that the government body offer to purchase the property before resorting to the use of eminent domain.
But, I highly doubt that that would work in this case because it's not physical property and as so many have pointed out, we never owned it to begin with
Even if it's segregated "art for geeks" it may not really be art. Of course, some critics may say that it was never art to begin with. Art is not simply something that someone made that you like to look at/listen to/read/etc. Part of it is the creative process that made the art that makes that art worth taking in and thinking about.
To someone in the art world, Giger may be seen as a genius but to someone like your average slashdot reader a mother board or the latest Linix kernel may be more of a piece of art than something Giger could ever produce.
Then again, IANAA and M.C. Escher is my favorite M.C...
or was this always private and I missed that memo? I remember setting up a TV with the ol' rabbit ears and tin foil and it worked for "free" no problems. If now we're being charged for what we as a people owned isn't that the government taking our property? I mean yeah it's not a physical thing and it's the FCC's job to regulate it, but it's there also a law about government not taking what's yours without compensation?
That would be a hoot and a kick to the economy. We'll sell this then give EVERYONE part of the sale price back as compensation for the reclaimed property.
There are 10 million people willing to pay to play a game they already payed once for? And all they get out of it is to complain about gold farmers and griding hours of their life away for another item that the company can just create (which in of itself is utterly useless to the rest of their life)?
Wow! And I thought I was odd for selling fish to a raccoon to pay off my virtual house in bells... I kind of don't feel so bad because I'm not paying for it in real money each month... And I can take my DS with me...
And sit....
Nah, like you would any job. They advertise them internally and externally, but aside from the money I really don't know WHY you'd want to be in management. It removes you from useful rotation.
(5) He will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by the sovereign.
We, where doomed to fail if we are to believe Sun Tzu. The Sovereign believed himself to be a general or at the very least "the decider"
Like the RIAA and Oil companies this is the last gasp of a company that can't adapt to the changing market demand with anything that won't screw the customer. Also like the above mentioned you have little choice in the immediate, all the options being talked about are down the road ideas. So, they're going to bend the customer over and get what more money they can before they die a painful death.
Which is more profitable? Innovation or screwing the customer?
Man, I just keep thinking of MI:2 where they make a super virus because they where trying to make a super vaccine.
We keep washing 99.9999% of germs and bacteria off ourselves and we seem to be getting sicker and the germs seems to be getting tougher (MRSA). When I was a kid was played in dirt then came in and grabbed a sammich and went out to play more... Damn life was sweet... Most of us are fine! It's not until we get into the "bacterial hand lotion" kicks that I see my peers dropping like flies...
This is outbreak waiting to happen! Find me patient zero!