"Posting anonymously (and behind seven proxies) for obvious reasons." - yes, because your post is highly embarrassing for you. not a fact or citation in view to back up your post
give it a rest. the systemd supporters are only going around trying to clear up the shit produced by anti-systemd trolls because they can't research facts before they type crap
glad you like cross-platform software. systemd will give you cross-distro system software so the config of the system will be standard on all systemd based distros
"scripts that call scripts that lead to more scripts," - you are talking about sysvinit there aren't you because if you are not, you need to read up about systemd.
" and logs that don't give you any meaningful information" - again, you need to read up about the systemd journal logging before you make these sorts of comments
"There is and was no need for systemd." - if there was no need, it wouldn't exist or if it existed and wasn't needed, it wouldn't be implemented.
Why do you think Ubuntu are replacing their "systemd type" Upstart with systemd, they obviously see it as a better implementation of Upstart and Ubuntu are the leaders in writing stuff on their own that no-one else wants to use.
"For months the message among Slashdot commenters was that he's strong-arming the distros into accepting systemd." - and you accepted what you read in posts as true? you need to visit http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/T...
look at the title of the summary for the answer. the rest of the so called "summary" is just a list of flamebait links and commentary, its not even a summary of an article
"There are CONSTANT statements that if you do not use systemd you will not be able to use primary Linux distros in the future, because all software will supposedly be gobbled up by it as a dependency." - if that is true (or false), its their prerogative to create they systems as they want them.
"Again you are using half truths, or at least feigning half understanding, or it may be possible that you dont understand the linux culture...." - nonsense, as i read it, he understands fully, it is free in all senses as it is free for you to choose another distro that suits you.
there is a bundle of misinformation out there about the systemd project so there is a lot overblown junk out there but no-one has said there aren't bugs to be fixed
"There is no doubt that system d helps the maintainers, but it also harms the admins." - thats a personal opinion
"Because Lennart Poettering managed to make his friends doing GNOME development make GNOME depend on systemd, " - if you do some research, you'll find he actually enabled the software remain compatible with Consolekit but Gnome chose not to use it. read this for more info http://www.linuxvoice.com/inte...
its quite amazing (and disappointing) just how much mis-information is out there and that people do no research before jumping on the bandwagon
"2. The god damn pottering man:
Hes controversially steamrolled most major distros into giving up everything from competent init scripts to non binary logs and even the bootloader in favour of 1 single process capable of doing everything, forever. " - Poettrering steamrollered the major distros????? i've got a tin foil hat for sale, you sounds like you need a double layer version.
"My workstation doesn't work anywhere as well as it did a couple of years ago, before systemd got installed. So when somebody blames systemd for these kinds of problems, that person is totally correct." - its these sorts of comments that gets labelled as trolling because they are vague anecdotes with no facts backing it up. If someone points out a specific problem and backs its up with facts, it gets discussed properly.
Now if you'd said you thought your PC was too underpowered for KDE then i'd understand what you meant. I've got a 12 year old 1GB memory, 2Ghz laptop running opensuse Tumbleweed 13.2, its slower than my desktop but it doesn't stop me working, the only thing i can;t do is watch Flash videos, i think my graphics ATI setup is too out of date to be supported.
When was the last time you tried something like KDE on your machine? I find each new release gets faster and more efficient, it seems faster now than it did 5 years ago, but if you don't like the alternative DEs then its a moot point
You'll have to explain "desktop that doesn't get in the way of getting real work done.", i see this claim over and over again. For me to work I login, i click an icon (select from a menu), i work - i've yet to see the desktop impede my work. Do the config options of the desktop entice you away from your work?
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"Posting anonymously (and behind seven proxies) for obvious reasons." - yes, because your post is highly embarrassing for you. not a fact or citation in view to back up your post
give it a rest. the systemd supporters are only going around trying to clear up the shit produced by anti-systemd trolls because they can't research facts before they type crap
glad you like cross-platform software. systemd will give you cross-distro system software so the config of the system will be standard on all systemd based distros
keep on dreaming
"scripts that call scripts that lead to more scripts," - you are talking about sysvinit there aren't you because if you are not, you need to read up about systemd.
" and logs that don't give you any meaningful information" - again, you need to read up about the systemd journal logging before you make these sorts of comments
nicely put. they read a heading or a line and make an assumption on how things work, they don't do any research before they start typing junk.
its all configurable and down to design so if you don't understand the design or how to configure it, then the problem is yours to deal with.
"There is and was no need for systemd." - if there was no need, it wouldn't exist or if it existed and wasn't needed, it wouldn't be implemented.
Why do you think Ubuntu are replacing their "systemd type" Upstart with systemd, they obviously see it as a better implementation of Upstart and Ubuntu are the leaders in writing stuff on their own that no-one else wants to use.
"For months the message among Slashdot commenters was that he's strong-arming the distros into accepting systemd." - and you accepted what you read in posts as true? you need to visit http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/T...
he is saying to you "if its that important to you, put your money where you mouth is "
look at the title of the summary for the answer. the rest of the so called "summary" is just a list of flamebait links and commentary, its not even a summary of an article
"There are CONSTANT statements that if you do not use systemd you will not be able to use primary Linux distros in the future, because all software will supposedly be gobbled up by it as a dependency." - if that is true (or false), its their prerogative to create they systems as they want them.
..." - nonsense, as i read it, he understands fully, it is free in all senses as it is free for you to choose another distro that suits you.
"Again you are using half truths, or at least feigning half understanding, or it may be possible that you dont understand the linux culture.
there is a bundle of misinformation out there about the systemd project so there is a lot overblown junk out there but no-one has said there aren't bugs to be fixed
"There is no doubt that system d helps the maintainers, but it also harms the admins." - thats a personal opinion
"Because Lennart Poettering managed to make his friends doing GNOME development make GNOME depend on systemd, " - if you do some research, you'll find he actually enabled the software remain compatible with Consolekit but Gnome chose not to use it. read this for more info http://www.linuxvoice.com/inte...
its quite amazing (and disappointing) just how much mis-information is out there and that people do no research before jumping on the bandwagon
that was my thought
" I was told by one of the main devs that he hoped my mother got cancer" - how about naming names???
if thats all you wonder about, its a sad life you lead
you'd better buy a tin foil hat as well
"2. The god damn pottering man: Hes controversially steamrolled most major distros into giving up everything from competent init scripts to non binary logs and even the bootloader in favour of 1 single process capable of doing everything, forever. " - Poettrering steamrollered the major distros????? i've got a tin foil hat for sale, you sounds like you need a double layer version.
Whats your issue here? Did you not find the log file ( /var/log/mail ) or was postfix configured not to log?
"My workstation doesn't work anywhere as well as it did a couple of years ago, before systemd got installed. So when somebody blames systemd for these kinds of problems, that person is totally correct." - its these sorts of comments that gets labelled as trolling because they are vague anecdotes with no facts backing it up. If someone points out a specific problem and backs its up with facts, it gets discussed properly.
being infinite in one direction is enough to scramble my brains
Now if you'd said you thought your PC was too underpowered for KDE then i'd understand what you meant.
I've got a 12 year old 1GB memory, 2Ghz laptop running opensuse Tumbleweed 13.2, its slower than my desktop but it doesn't stop me working, the only thing i can;t do is watch Flash videos, i think my graphics ATI setup is too out of date to be supported.
When was the last time you tried something like KDE on your machine? I find each new release gets faster and more efficient, it seems faster now than it did 5 years ago, but if you don't like the alternative DEs then its a moot point
You'll have to explain "desktop that doesn't get in the way of getting real work done.", i see this claim over and over again. For me to work I login, i click an icon (select from a menu), i work - i've yet to see the desktop impede my work. Do the config options of the desktop entice you away from your work?
you can't repair an ascii text file either if its been overwritten with junk data.
who is maintaining Consolekit these days? i put in a googel search for "consolekit maintenance" and the latest reference was 2011