I see a bunch of environmentalist drivel. I've experience what I speak of, so I'm not going to learn anything there, and it isn't entertaining to me.
if you are not going to respect what is replied to you, i am not going to waste time with you.
Wrong audience for this argument - I am a strong proponent of "social darwinism". I don't want to be paying to heal anyone other than my own family, and I think warning labels have done much to harm our society. Sorry, but if you're dumb enough to put a gun to your head and pull the trigger, no amount of engraving on the barrel will change your mind - and further, if it *does* change your mind, you're just going to live on to do increasingly stupid things.
you are precisely the type of idiot that is VERY harmful to human civilization, and you are the ones who should be locked up, so that you cant harm the civilization anymore.
this species of weak monkeys came on top of the 'food chain' precisely because they were considerate enough to care for their weak and sick, which allowed the intellectual capacity and tool usage to develop among the population and therefore get out of fucking caves.
had it been left to people like you, we would still be living in caves hitting each other in the head with clubs and stealing each others' pathetic findings.
im not going to respond to your other arguments, because i dont have time to waste with a badass wannabee. next time you want to argue with someone and be taken seriously, shove that self centered survivalist bullshit up your ass and talk like a civilized person that actually deserves to live in 21st century.
That's true only of veal. For most cattle, they live in an open area, with many other cattle - granted, when you take the area and divide by the number of cattle, each cow may indeed end up with 2 m^2, but you're forgetting something -- cattle are herd animals. Even open grazing, they will typically stand as close together as possible and still eat fresh grass.
Feed lots and the like suck, don't get me wrong - but it is the willing price we pay for meat. I've been to large feedlots - I've worked in a small processing facility. I've hunted, dressed my own game, and been a part of the entire process, from feedlot or field to the table. I still eat meat. I fucking love meat.
Animals die to predation all the time in the wild - that is far, far more stressful and violent than standing in a line and getting a piston gun through the head. While standing in a muddy pen mooing all day must be awfully boring, I would wager that it is probably preferable (if a cow was smart enough to have a preference) to wandering around constantly in search of food.
im sure animals would disagree. and it is odd that you are so sure that a cow is not smart enough to have preference, while various researches showed that even fish were much more aware and sentient than the millenias old bullshit advocated.
We are human beings, the very pinnacle of the food chain. Cows are animals, below us, and damned tasty. It is right and natural that we should raise them, slaughter them, and eat them.
yea, and who decided that it was right and natural that we should raise them, slaughter them, and eat them ?
we did.
ironically, we are not employing the same kind of survivalist, strong eat weak barbarism in our own society, where we tend the weak, cure the sick, and not execute the mentally ill or castrinate them.
If you feel it is barbaric, then don't partake - but please don't try and make it out to be some moral outrage, because it isn't.
i am not partaking in it. what irritates me is that survivalist bullshitters coming up with the same bullshit like this everytime, ie 'dont do it if you dont like it', without realizing the possibility that the person in front of them may already be not doing it.
furthermore, brutality wouldnt change its nature if i was the biggest carnivore that has ever came to pass on the face of this planet. if it is brutal, it is brutal. so spare us the bullshit of using that 'if you join in then you cant criticize' bullshit. if people did that, we wouldnt have gotten out of caves and out into space.
As for the "big corporations" - show me the ones using slave labor, and I'll stop buying from them. If you mean sweatshops and child labor in the third world - you don't know what you're talking about, and if your ilk were ever successful in stopping it, the death of countless people would be on your hands.
any big megacorporation you know its name is a slave holder.
slavery is still here, it just changed its storefront, and the slaveholder is no longer obliged to feed you.
nothing you said put anything to perspective. you were dead wrong in all of them.
people do not have 'choice'. some may go rebel and adopt a life that would allow them to work for themselves and not be a gear in corporate grinding machine, but many have obligations and people to take care for, and they cannot do anyhting else but submit.
there is artificial scarcity. while there is hunger and famine in africa, millions of tons of grain rot in warehouses in america in order to keep grain prices high.
morons like you cause the propogation and continuation of the current brutal society, in all its respects.
yea i used the word moron, and dont excuse me. i meant every word of it.
1 - being forced to live in 1x2 cramped space for entirety of your life, is brutal. there is no discussing it or 'penning' it otherwise.
2 - farmers dont give a crap about animals' well being. because, first, there arent any farmers anymore, the sector is industrialized. you should have said corporations. and corporations dont give a flying fuck about well being or injury or whatever of any animal. its about profits.
3 - i already have my own business, and i have it since 6 years. so spare me the conservative bullshit.
4 - as above, as below it is said. human society doesnt put more care into the well being of animals. it puts exactly as much care to well being of animals as it puts to well being of people. this is why i said that the philosophy, attitude of society reflects in everything.
Shouldnt we fix the abomination that livestock industry is, in that they make cows live in 1x2 m enclosed space from their birth to their death in the first place.
reminds of how big corporations treat people like livestock and make them toil for dimes in cramped spaces... a society's mindset reflects on every aspect of life.
what i think is, 3 layers is more than enough. ie, machine code, c, php and it should stop there, in case of web apps for example.
any application made on the 3rd layer, when they grow sufficiently big, become as complex and wide as a framework itself. so, its not necessary to limit things by putting a 4th layer on top of this.
piece of software that a million people have hacked the shit out of it's the thing that Delivers.
thats the gist of the concept. it was freely available, its code was simple despite being a mess, and million people hacked the shit out of it. therefore, despite being a mess still, it can work as anything, and therefore, it delivers.
go buy your games from gamersgate.com (steam creates issues with patching or mods generally) and get the 'outsourced' server emulator fix from razor1911.
these good people, without being paid, have fixed ubisoft's clients' problem for ubisoft, i hear.
Sooner or later ANY client small or large, will come up with a 'change' that will require going way down the level to the underlying language, because of the intricate and out of the ordinary way they will ask it.
moreover, rarely will the two changes requested in similar area by two different clients will be the same. every business has their own style of running things, and what they will ask of you will differ from each other. this is even valid for small ecommerce presences on the web. you cant imagine the number and variety of different stuff they may ask.
there has been a lot of framework talk and numerous frameworks put out up til this date, yet the biggest and strongest ecommerce software and community remains oscommerce, despite its aging code (no templating, html mingled with php and so on). clients who start with even different software (leave aside frameworks) eventually move on to oscommerce due to unequaled community support. (innumerable modules, modifications available for free, all the service providers - any payment, shipping provider - know and support it and have modules for it, very cheap development fees and so on).
the disparage in between the success of software like oscommerce and any such hyped framework that has been put out so far shows that, as developers and programmers, we shouldnt close in on ourselves and go about being above all, and programming for ourselves instead of end users. it just ends up in elitism, detached from the reality.
I see it everywhere, in every aspect of life. Back when i was a teenager (18-20 ish years ago) there was still the illusion that you could 'make it' if you pushed it hard enough. you know, good education, good career, a decent, higher middle life etc. and it was true by then here too (turkey). there were many career paths open, there was a demand for many high profile jobs in many sectors. it was good back then.
but naturally, after 20 years, the market saturated. there isnt a noticeable demand for any high profile engineering, computing etc jobs. not enough to meet the supply that is being pumped out. youth was noticing that as time went by in that two decades. salaries got lower, evened out, promotions and management positions lessened. they also discovered that everyone couldnt be managers, or entrepreneurs and so on.
so, they have increasingly let go. they are trying to find ways to 'make it' or live a life that will not necessitate them to exert themselves too much while getting little back.
from what i see, this is no different in other countries in the west too. similar situations, as dog eat dog corporatism pushes forth and sectors are consolidated, more work is being done by less people. and ironically, people who are employed are made work more and more - back 20 years ago it was natural for workday to end at 17.30 or 18.00, now everyone is being worked until at least 19.00 even in top profile jobs. working on saturday became a norm, with the exception of europe - weekends still a reality in usa though.
so youth see these prospects, and get disillusioned. noone wants to slaver away their life with pitiful number of management jobs, promotion opportunities with little time to spare for themselves.
this is a direct result of the system we are in and its irreversible for any sector, unless system and our approach changes.
one exception though, is scandinavian countries. in these countries where there is strong reassurances of future due to a solid social security system working for over 40 years, youth are going for whatever they want to chase. and they are productive too. leaving aside the ones that go to africa or similar places to volunteer for feeding the people etc for u.n., there is a good deal of contribution to both linux kernel and other open source projects from these countries. there are a lot of web apps that are coded and released open source too.
the contrast clearly proves history right again ; back near the end of roman republic, big farm holders consolidated farm sector by flooding market with produce by employing slave labor, lowering prices, and causing the small farm holders to go into debt. in the end these small farmers had to sell their farms to big farm holders and move to cities. since they didnt have anything to root for in life, any aims, middle class of the society wasnt so keen on the country anymore, they just let it go for free bread and circus games. in the end rome declined and declined in culture, leading to many weaknesses that led to its downfall.
today is no different. big companies consolidate sectors and make people work for endless hours for slavering wages. in the end, youth either let go, or just refuse to enter the system and become drones in the first place.
its like the 'legolas' of pc games. it caters to a huge gamer demographic ranging from 12 years old to 30 years old. with the hype and cult around the first game, ac 2 was bound to be a success REGARDLESS of what happened.
maybe thats why they chose to debut their shitty drm with ac2 instead of any other game.
thats an important developer culture problem. developers are creating stuff that would appeal to developers, in developer mindset. if we want open source to really take off as a culture, we need to learn how to work for the needs of the common man, without despising it or harboring elitism.
why use classes and objects for stuff that do not have nature of an object ?
none of the elements you put into the classes (and therefore going to use as objects) exhibit object properties at any point. there is little difference in treating them objects, or flat out functions or blocks of code.
the point you are missing here, if an object which acts on its own discretion and capable of accelerating to immense speeds almost instantly (an ufo) while 3 soviet mig 21s are chasing and filming it, can be labeled and 'debunked' as optical illusion, this fucking meteor also can.
Devoid of reality, thinks world turns on their demands, asks stuff that has no possibility of implementation in the real world.
yea they gone totally mad. not only they want spy programs on everyone's computer, but they want us. govt to force it to all of the world, (as if anyone can force anything to china, russia, india, almost half of world's population). even leave that aside, they want congress to pay their rent !!
this is madness - the very definition of which is having no relation to reality.
........
that aside, why doesnt this article have 'yro' and 'greed' tags ?
it was evident that when you started to allow patent on thoughts and logical constructs, patents would eventually start to infringe upon nature's laws. because, in the vast space of thought, nature's laws are nothing different than any other thought/logical construct.
patents need to be abolished. imagine someone patenting "if a b and b c then a c" in a bundle with other logic constructs. you would say that its a simple basic logical operator and it cant be patented, but once numerous patents like these are issued, you would be surprised how fast it would become the 'established norm', like it happened with many civil and criminal laws throughout history.
stem the tide before it hits the shore. abolish patents.
So, you want us to buy your game, before we test it and know that we can enjoy it, by looking at 'reviews' in various publishings that collaborate with the industry ?
just like how the movie industry works ?
as a fellow turk, all i have to say to you is; fuck it. if you follow in the footsteps of movie industry, ie, preparing previews that pitt the film by getting its best parts meshed into a 10 second 'preview', and have numerous industry shills (hint:critics) praise it, and then charge us for playing it, and show us a subpar (or overhyped) game, you can get away with it once, twice, in the third you will get pirated out of your ass by everyone.
that is the main reason why movies are pirated this much anyway. with few exceptions they are mass produced repeat shit. you can fool people into paying $15 for them once. twice. in the third, they will fuck you instead of letting you fuck them.
so wise up. ea, already a corporation with a VERY bad reputation, may try to put gamers into pants of fools, but, gamer crowd is not like moviegoer crowd. we have much higher sense of justice, much higher technical aptidude, much higher consciousness rating in regard to products. you will be sorry if you play along with ea.
1770 there were quite a good number of french supporting aristocracy. in 1789 they fed up and rolled their heads off. how's that for pattern.
with ibm's crappy logic, a computer program with 'data' in 1770 would predict, and the prediction would be aristocracy was there to stay. look how it turned out.
no exaggeration and no offense here. we are the community. users, developers, evangelists etc and so on. we just make a software/framework live by developing, adding to it, supporting and using it, or we leave it and it dies.
its not our job to make it profitable for you or teach you. you are the private company that seeks to profit. its your job to find ways to profit from it without offending us. think of us as 'the people', the public.
if you upset us, we will fork something and get behind it and it will take off.
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i already did. i cant waste time with a self centered badass wannabee.
I see a bunch of environmentalist drivel. I've experience what I speak of, so I'm not going to learn anything there, and it isn't entertaining to me.
if you are not going to respect what is replied to you, i am not going to waste time with you.
Wrong audience for this argument - I am a strong proponent of "social darwinism". I don't want to be paying to heal anyone other than my own family, and I think warning labels have done much to harm our society. Sorry, but if you're dumb enough to put a gun to your head and pull the trigger, no amount of engraving on the barrel will change your mind - and further, if it *does* change your mind, you're just going to live on to do increasingly stupid things.
you are precisely the type of idiot that is VERY harmful to human civilization, and you are the ones who should be locked up, so that you cant harm the civilization anymore.
this species of weak monkeys came on top of the 'food chain' precisely because they were considerate enough to care for their weak and sick, which allowed the intellectual capacity and tool usage to develop among the population and therefore get out of fucking caves.
had it been left to people like you, we would still be living in caves hitting each other in the head with clubs and stealing each others' pathetic findings.
im not going to respond to your other arguments, because i dont have time to waste with a badass wannabee. next time you want to argue with someone and be taken seriously, shove that self centered survivalist bullshit up your ass and talk like a civilized person that actually deserves to live in 21st century.
That's true only of veal. For most cattle, they live in an open area, with many other cattle - granted, when you take the area and divide by the number of cattle, each cow may indeed end up with 2 m^2, but you're forgetting something -- cattle are herd animals. Even open grazing, they will typically stand as close together as possible and still eat fresh grass.
Feed lots and the like suck, don't get me wrong - but it is the willing price we pay for meat. I've been to large feedlots - I've worked in a small processing facility. I've hunted, dressed my own game, and been a part of the entire process, from feedlot or field to the table. I still eat meat. I fucking love meat.
http://www.google.com/search?q=livestock+industry+brutality&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a
Animals die to predation all the time in the wild - that is far, far more stressful and violent than standing in a line and getting a piston gun through the head. While standing in a muddy pen mooing all day must be awfully boring, I would wager that it is probably preferable (if a cow was smart enough to have a preference) to wandering around constantly in search of food.
im sure animals would disagree. and it is odd that you are so sure that a cow is not smart enough to have preference, while various researches showed that even fish were much more aware and sentient than the millenias old bullshit advocated.
We are human beings, the very pinnacle of the food chain. Cows are animals, below us, and damned tasty. It is right and natural that we should raise them, slaughter them, and eat them.
yea, and who decided that it was right and natural that we should raise them, slaughter them, and eat them ?
we did.
ironically, we are not employing the same kind of survivalist, strong eat weak barbarism in our own society, where we tend the weak, cure the sick, and not execute the mentally ill or castrinate them.
If you feel it is barbaric, then don't partake - but please don't try and make it out to be some moral outrage, because it isn't.
i am not partaking in it. what irritates me is that survivalist bullshitters coming up with the same bullshit like this everytime, ie 'dont do it if you dont like it', without realizing the possibility that the person in front of them may already be not doing it.
furthermore, brutality wouldnt change its nature if i was the biggest carnivore that has ever came to pass on the face of this planet. if it is brutal, it is brutal. so spare us the bullshit of using that 'if you join in then you cant criticize' bullshit. if people did that, we wouldnt have gotten out of caves and out into space.
As for the "big corporations" - show me the ones using slave labor, and I'll stop buying from them. If you mean sweatshops and child labor in the third world - you don't know what you're talking about, and if your ilk were ever successful in stopping it, the death of countless people would be on your hands.
any big megacorporation you know its name is a slave holder.
slavery is still here, it just changed its storefront, and the slaveholder is no longer obliged to feed you.
nothing you said put anything to perspective. you were dead wrong in all of them.
people do not have 'choice'. some may go rebel and adopt a life that would allow them to work for themselves and not be a gear in corporate grinding machine, but many have obligations and people to take care for, and they cannot do anyhting else but submit.
there is no 'trouble'.
there is artificial scarcity. while there is hunger and famine in africa, millions of tons of grain rot in warehouses in america in order to keep grain prices high.
they soon may. they had been feeding them the parts of their dead comrades, which probably lead to various abominations, and maybe mad cow disease.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=KsG&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&q=livestock+industry+brutality&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
warning - read at your own risk
morons like you cause the propogation and continuation of the current brutal society, in all its respects.
yea i used the word moron, and dont excuse me. i meant every word of it.
1 - being forced to live in 1x2 cramped space for entirety of your life, is brutal. there is no discussing it or 'penning' it otherwise.
2 - farmers dont give a crap about animals' well being. because, first, there arent any farmers anymore, the sector is industrialized. you should have said corporations. and corporations dont give a flying fuck about well being or injury or whatever of any animal. its about profits.
3 - i already have my own business, and i have it since 6 years. so spare me the conservative bullshit.
4 - as above, as below it is said. human society doesnt put more care into the well being of animals. it puts exactly as much care to well being of animals as it puts to well being of people. this is why i said that the philosophy, attitude of society reflects in everything.
Shouldnt we fix the abomination that livestock industry is, in that they make cows live in 1x2 m enclosed space from their birth to their death in the first place.
reminds of how big corporations treat people like livestock and make them toil for dimes in cramped spaces ... a society's mindset reflects on every aspect of life.
what i think is, 3 layers is more than enough. ie, machine code, c, php and it should stop there, in case of web apps for example.
any application made on the 3rd layer, when they grow sufficiently big, become as complex and wide as a framework itself. so, its not necessary to limit things by putting a 4th layer on top of this.
piece of software that a million people have hacked the shit out of it's the thing that Delivers.
thats the gist of the concept. it was freely available, its code was simple despite being a mess, and million people hacked the shit out of it. therefore, despite being a mess still, it can work as anything, and therefore, it delivers.
go buy your games from gamersgate.com (steam creates issues with patching or mods generally) and get the 'outsourced' server emulator fix from razor1911.
these good people, without being paid, have fixed ubisoft's clients' problem for ubisoft, i hear.
Sooner or later ANY client small or large, will come up with a 'change' that will require going way down the level to the underlying language, because of the intricate and out of the ordinary way they will ask it.
moreover, rarely will the two changes requested in similar area by two different clients will be the same. every business has their own style of running things, and what they will ask of you will differ from each other. this is even valid for small ecommerce presences on the web. you cant imagine the number and variety of different stuff they may ask.
there has been a lot of framework talk and numerous frameworks put out up til this date, yet the biggest and strongest ecommerce software and community remains oscommerce, despite its aging code (no templating, html mingled with php and so on). clients who start with even different software (leave aside frameworks) eventually move on to oscommerce due to unequaled community support. (innumerable modules, modifications available for free, all the service providers - any payment, shipping provider - know and support it and have modules for it, very cheap development fees and so on).
the disparage in between the success of software like oscommerce and any such hyped framework that has been put out so far shows that, as developers and programmers, we shouldnt close in on ourselves and go about being above all, and programming for ourselves instead of end users. it just ends up in elitism, detached from the reality.
I see it everywhere, in every aspect of life. Back when i was a teenager (18-20 ish years ago) there was still the illusion that you could 'make it' if you pushed it hard enough. you know, good education, good career, a decent, higher middle life etc. and it was true by then here too (turkey). there were many career paths open, there was a demand for many high profile jobs in many sectors. it was good back then.
but naturally, after 20 years, the market saturated. there isnt a noticeable demand for any high profile engineering, computing etc jobs. not enough to meet the supply that is being pumped out. youth was noticing that as time went by in that two decades. salaries got lower, evened out, promotions and management positions lessened. they also discovered that everyone couldnt be managers, or entrepreneurs and so on.
so, they have increasingly let go. they are trying to find ways to 'make it' or live a life that will not necessitate them to exert themselves too much while getting little back.
from what i see, this is no different in other countries in the west too. similar situations, as dog eat dog corporatism pushes forth and sectors are consolidated, more work is being done by less people. and ironically, people who are employed are made work more and more - back 20 years ago it was natural for workday to end at 17.30 or 18.00, now everyone is being worked until at least 19.00 even in top profile jobs. working on saturday became a norm, with the exception of europe - weekends still a reality in usa though.
so youth see these prospects, and get disillusioned. noone wants to slaver away their life with pitiful number of management jobs, promotion opportunities with little time to spare for themselves.
this is a direct result of the system we are in and its irreversible for any sector, unless system and our approach changes.
one exception though, is scandinavian countries. in these countries where there is strong reassurances of future due to a solid social security system working for over 40 years, youth are going for whatever they want to chase. and they are productive too. leaving aside the ones that go to africa or similar places to volunteer for feeding the people etc for u.n., there is a good deal of contribution to both linux kernel and other open source projects from these countries. there are a lot of web apps that are coded and released open source too.
the contrast clearly proves history right again ; back near the end of roman republic, big farm holders consolidated farm sector by flooding market with produce by employing slave labor, lowering prices, and causing the small farm holders to go into debt. in the end these small farmers had to sell their farms to big farm holders and move to cities. since they didnt have anything to root for in life, any aims, middle class of the society wasnt so keen on the country anymore, they just let it go for free bread and circus games. in the end rome declined and declined in culture, leading to many weaknesses that led to its downfall.
today is no different. big companies consolidate sectors and make people work for endless hours for slavering wages. in the end, youth either let go, or just refuse to enter the system and become drones in the first place.
its like the 'legolas' of pc games. it caters to a huge gamer demographic ranging from 12 years old to 30 years old. with the hype and cult around the first game, ac 2 was bound to be a success REGARDLESS of what happened.
maybe thats why they chose to debut their shitty drm with ac2 instead of any other game.
thats an important developer culture problem. developers are creating stuff that would appeal to developers, in developer mindset. if we want open source to really take off as a culture, we need to learn how to work for the needs of the common man, without despising it or harboring elitism.
but if there isnt demand for it, there will be no use if you allocate numerous paid developers to it.
why use classes and objects for stuff that do not have nature of an object ?
none of the elements you put into the classes (and therefore going to use as objects) exhibit object properties at any point. there is little difference in treating them objects, or flat out functions or blocks of code.
the point you are missing here, if an object which acts on its own discretion and capable of accelerating to immense speeds almost instantly (an ufo) while 3 soviet mig 21s are chasing and filming it, can be labeled and 'debunked' as optical illusion, this fucking meteor also can.
Devoid of reality, thinks world turns on their demands, asks stuff that has no possibility of implementation in the real world.
yea they gone totally mad. not only they want spy programs on everyone's computer, but they want us. govt to force it to all of the world, (as if anyone can force anything to china, russia, india, almost half of world's population). even leave that aside, they want congress to pay their rent !!
this is madness - the very definition of which is having no relation to reality.
that aside, why doesnt this article have 'yro' and 'greed' tags ?
the point is, it wouldnt depend a single bit on whether you being convinced or not.
open source, communities are like winds. you either get them behind your back and ride with them, or stay in still water.
it was evident that when you started to allow patent on thoughts and logical constructs, patents would eventually start to infringe upon nature's laws. because, in the vast space of thought, nature's laws are nothing different than any other thought/logical construct.
patents need to be abolished. imagine someone patenting "if a b and b c then a c" in a bundle with other logic constructs. you would say that its a simple basic logical operator and it cant be patented, but once numerous patents like these are issued, you would be surprised how fast it would become the 'established norm', like it happened with many civil and criminal laws throughout history.
stem the tide before it hits the shore. abolish patents.
So, you want us to buy your game, before we test it and know that we can enjoy it, by looking at 'reviews' in various publishings that collaborate with the industry ?
just like how the movie industry works ?
as a fellow turk, all i have to say to you is; fuck it. if you follow in the footsteps of movie industry, ie, preparing previews that pitt the film by getting its best parts meshed into a 10 second 'preview', and have numerous industry shills (hint :critics) praise it, and then charge us for playing it, and show us a subpar (or overhyped) game, you can get away with it once, twice, in the third you will get pirated out of your ass by everyone.
that is the main reason why movies are pirated this much anyway. with few exceptions they are mass produced repeat shit. you can fool people into paying $15 for them once. twice. in the third, they will fuck you instead of letting you fuck them.
so wise up. ea, already a corporation with a VERY bad reputation, may try to put gamers into pants of fools, but, gamer crowd is not like moviegoer crowd. we have much higher sense of justice, much higher technical aptidude, much higher consciousness rating in regard to products. you will be sorry if you play along with ea.
1770 there were quite a good number of french supporting aristocracy. in 1789 they fed up and rolled their heads off. how's that for pattern.
with ibm's crappy logic, a computer program with 'data' in 1770 would predict, and the prediction would be aristocracy was there to stay. look how it turned out.
no exaggeration and no offense here. we are the community. users, developers, evangelists etc and so on. we just make a software/framework live by developing, adding to it, supporting and using it, or we leave it and it dies.
its not our job to make it profitable for you or teach you. you are the private company that seeks to profit. its your job to find ways to profit from it without offending us. think of us as 'the people', the public.
if you upset us, we will fork something and get behind it and it will take off.