who's to say which tradition can be valid and which tradition cant ? everyone's tradition to themselves. so, if someone uses 'tradition' excuse to do anything uncivilized, others will find courage to demand similar or more extreme things. and they actually do it too.
just by typing 'i dont justify it' after going and posting a full paragraph justifying something does NOT solve any contradictions.
there is nothing hypocritical in what i posted. go and read them over again. i used the exact same logic used by canadians to rationalize this shit, to rationalize other things. if they can use it, i can too. if i cant, then they shouldnt be able to use it too.
i havent read anything peta about this. i dont give a flying fuck about who thinks what. im delivering my own opinion in this matter - clubbing seals in the head for any reason, is immoral, and uncivilized in 2010 in 21st century. period.
contrary to what you have misconceived, my post you have replied to has no relevance with god, religion or higher power whatsoever.
it basically points out that this experiment may award us with the knowledge of what 'existing' is. all the 'otherwordly behavior' pale in importance when compared to knowledge of the concept of 'existing'. note i didnt say 'existence', i am talking about the mechanics of existing, or not existing.
So, you're saying there are no more factory farms elsewhere in the world killing hundreds of millions of cattle and chickens every year?
yea, because there are millions of factories slaughtering cattle and chickens, WE SHOULD DO MORE AND CLUB SEALS IN THE HEAD. why ? well, because it is already being done in some form, so why shouldnt we just add up to the brutality in the world ?
above is your approach, and it is stupid. one should try to increase civility wherever s/he can, and not just rationalize additional brutality because, well, there are brutalities practiced in other areas of life.
what is more interesting that people like you, who come up contradicting themselves and proving the point they opposed - i used EXACT same logic you used to make your point, to justify brutal traditions elsewhere in the world ; "others are doing that, why shouldnt we"
it doesnt matter zit whether it is legal. what matters is, at our current time and age, we, as human civilization, are abhorring that kind of practice.
it doesnt matter whether you are killing someone or you are selling your daughter or you are clubbing a seal to death. what matters is the fact that attitude towards ALL of these make mankind's level of civility at any given time.
and currently you canadians are the only 'developed' country which insists on continuing brutal traditions of the past. you could find millions of people who would rationalize and justify slavery, had you asked around back in 1780 AD, with very similar arguments to your own.
in the history of mankind. this may be the real deal. its possible that we may find the first 'entity' as described as the base of existence in Dewey B Larson's physics approach.
what is the guy complaining of afflicts fpses. in other gaming genres the opposite is true. extreme representation and simplification is done. like, in strategy games, for example medieval total war, a whole country, france, can be a single 'province', and you can attack and get all of iberia as a 'province', and then build 10 ships and go sail to levant and conquer jerusalem, syria, in one move. a lot of things are represented with 'points' and percentage modifiers rather than having any mechanic for them. even in the most realistic, well made titles as in paradox's games, you still have excess representation - the whole world is divided to provinces, and the victory and subsequent peace treaty and how much land is exchanged is decided upon the number and importance of provinces a side has, and the manpower each sides have. whereas in reality, you could get entirety of hungary after a decisive single war in the field, by treaty.
RTSes are even beyond that. you lump up whole battlecruisers as if they were small boats, a huge spaceship can hover over the city that produced it, which is much smaller than itself, tiny barracks can produce infantry units which appear 3-4 times their size on the map.
these are all minor stuff. but, when they add up, they totally change the atmosphere.
so, whereas there is a lot of sufferance due to realism in FPSes, there is another sufferance due to the lack of realism in other genres.
it is tradition, it is a way of life to sell young daughters for money to prospective husbands in middle east.
it is a tradition, it is a way of life to kill someone you are suspecting of frolicking with your daughter, woman, sister, whomever, in order to 'clean your honor' in middle east.
yet they are all banned with local and international law...
why ?
BECAUSE 'TRADITION' DOES NOT EXCUSE BRUTAL, INHUMANE BEHAVIOR. you have to oblige by the social norms of the times you are living in.
if there is anyone that thinks otherwise, let him/her explain me why i shouldnt grab a club and start killing other people and stealing their stuff as we were doing back in stone age.
"Duke of Cornwall hires Swiss mercenaries to crack down on illegal trading of grain to protect his hereditary rights"
history repeats itself. if you let groups and people become feudal lords, they crack down on the people,f or their 'rights'. whats absurd that, after a point, they start to define what is a 'right' themselves, totally free of the people's will.
see, copyright was intended for 20 or so years at the start. now its 90 years. trademark was invented to protect well known brand names, now it has become something that you can lay claim to words, anywhere, any use. patents were supposedly to spur innovation, now they are tools with which you can lay claim to genes, and soon laws of nature. (well because you found them first, right ).
its stupid. we need to abolish these before we end up with a new, this time intellectual feudal aristocracy.
can you imagine someone holding the patent to theory of gravity ? or equations of momentum, or theory of relativity ?
well, this is what would happen if these were discovered in our time. some bastard would go patent them and claim 'rights' on them.
its no different than patenting a gene. a gene is not an invention, not a creation. it is something that existed for millions of years, in the body of every human that has walked the earth. there is no way in hell that it would have any logic granting 'rights' on those.
really. time is long past for abolition of trade and copyright systems. they have turned into a medieval land grab moving toward intellectual feudalism. better to stop these things at the start than try to fight them off later.
and voila. companies may go against their corporate culture in accordance with the needs of the times, but in the long run, they cant avoid showing themselves for what they are. like microsoft blowing with the china-censorship issue and negating all the positive pr they and bill gates tried to do in the last years, nvidia also showed its own nature.
arent you already taxing the income that is generated as a result of that software ? and applying any kind of sales tax to the software, if there is a sales tax in the state ?
first, get your shit in order and make sure whom you are angry against first.
second, all the shit you are using on the net, rangin from any random forum to this very site you are on, are a product of web developers.
third, there is no separate 'developer' circle for facebook. it is generic web development as in phpbb, joomla, nuke development, so, the developers doing anything for facebook are a subset of the web developers, and some contributors to projects like above.
fourth, get your shit in order. you have serious identification and anger issues, not to mention not knowing who to thank for all this explosive development of user to user interaction of internet.
the parent makes a valid point. some majority/minority somewhere in the world all wanting the same thing does NOT make what they want acceptable, humane or ethical, and doesnt free us from our moral obligations as humans to act for the greater good.
/. is not the only one running this article, and this platform wont be the only place this news is heard. i would really refrain from calling web development community 'sheep'. for their actions up to this point has been far from anything sheeple.
in the end, there will always be people specializing in an area. in every field there are such people, and will be. for them the specialization of their field is mandatory. but, for others, not. saying otherwise would be saying every engineer should have specialized mechanical engineering knowledge.
unfortunately i cant. opportunity only exists in the opening stages of a market, in which there are no established grand market holders. (like in early 19th century america, like internet in 90s). after that point you cant come in and set yourself up, unless the established order accepts you in.
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one which is not hell bent on creating a new form of intellectual feudalism through copyright and ip mechanisms.
why so anonymous
yea. abolition was a fad back in 1710 too.
go read Dewey B. Larson's approach to the unifield field theory problem.
tradition.
who's to say which tradition can be valid and which tradition cant ? everyone's tradition to themselves. so, if someone uses 'tradition' excuse to do anything uncivilized, others will find courage to demand similar or more extreme things. and they actually do it too.
and you lack two brain cells.
just by typing 'i dont justify it' after going and posting a full paragraph justifying something does NOT solve any contradictions.
there is nothing hypocritical in what i posted. go and read them over again. i used the exact same logic used by canadians to rationalize this shit, to rationalize other things. if they can use it, i can too. if i cant, then they shouldnt be able to use it too.
i havent read anything peta about this. i dont give a flying fuck about who thinks what. im delivering my own opinion in this matter - clubbing seals in the head for any reason, is immoral, and uncivilized in 2010 in 21st century. period.
contrary to what you have misconceived, my post you have replied to has no relevance with god, religion or higher power whatsoever.
it basically points out that this experiment may award us with the knowledge of what 'existing' is. all the 'otherwordly behavior' pale in importance when compared to knowledge of the concept of 'existing'. note i didnt say 'existence', i am talking about the mechanics of existing, or not existing.
So, you're saying there are no more factory farms elsewhere in the world killing hundreds of millions of cattle and chickens every year?
yea, because there are millions of factories slaughtering cattle and chickens, WE SHOULD DO MORE AND CLUB SEALS IN THE HEAD. why ? well, because it is already being done in some form, so why shouldnt we just add up to the brutality in the world ?
above is your approach, and it is stupid. one should try to increase civility wherever s/he can, and not just rationalize additional brutality because, well, there are brutalities practiced in other areas of life.
what is more interesting that people like you, who come up contradicting themselves and proving the point they opposed - i used EXACT same logic you used to make your point, to justify brutal traditions elsewhere in the world ; "others are doing that, why shouldnt we"
talk about hypocrisy.
really, why post anonymously, whereas the person you are replying to doesnt hesitate what he posts ?
it doesnt matter zit whether it is legal. what matters is, at our current time and age, we, as human civilization, are abhorring that kind of practice.
it doesnt matter whether you are killing someone or you are selling your daughter or you are clubbing a seal to death. what matters is the fact that attitude towards ALL of these make mankind's level of civility at any given time.
and currently you canadians are the only 'developed' country which insists on continuing brutal traditions of the past. you could find millions of people who would rationalize and justify slavery, had you asked around back in 1780 AD, with very similar arguments to your own.
in the history of mankind. this may be the real deal. its possible that we may find the first 'entity' as described as the base of existence in Dewey B Larson's physics approach.
what is the guy complaining of afflicts fpses. in other gaming genres the opposite is true. extreme representation and simplification is done. like, in strategy games, for example medieval total war, a whole country, france, can be a single 'province', and you can attack and get all of iberia as a 'province', and then build 10 ships and go sail to levant and conquer jerusalem, syria, in one move. a lot of things are represented with 'points' and percentage modifiers rather than having any mechanic for them. even in the most realistic, well made titles as in paradox's games, you still have excess representation - the whole world is divided to provinces, and the victory and subsequent peace treaty and how much land is exchanged is decided upon the number and importance of provinces a side has, and the manpower each sides have. whereas in reality, you could get entirety of hungary after a decisive single war in the field, by treaty.
RTSes are even beyond that. you lump up whole battlecruisers as if they were small boats, a huge spaceship can hover over the city that produced it, which is much smaller than itself, tiny barracks can produce infantry units which appear 3-4 times their size on the map.
these are all minor stuff. but, when they add up, they totally change the atmosphere.
so, whereas there is a lot of sufferance due to realism in FPSes, there is another sufferance due to the lack of realism in other genres.
to 37 degrees celsius ?
it is tradition, it is a way of life to sell young daughters for money to prospective husbands in middle east.
it is a tradition, it is a way of life to kill someone you are suspecting of frolicking with your daughter, woman, sister, whomever, in order to 'clean your honor' in middle east.
yet they are all banned with local and international law ...
why ?
BECAUSE 'TRADITION' DOES NOT EXCUSE BRUTAL, INHUMANE BEHAVIOR. you have to oblige by the social norms of the times you are living in.
if there is anyone that thinks otherwise, let him/her explain me why i shouldnt grab a club and start killing other people and stealing their stuff as we were doing back in stone age.
"Duke of Cornwall hires Swiss mercenaries to crack down on illegal trading of grain to protect his hereditary rights"
history repeats itself. if you let groups and people become feudal lords, they crack down on the people,f or their 'rights'. whats absurd that, after a point, they start to define what is a 'right' themselves, totally free of the people's will.
see, copyright was intended for 20 or so years at the start. now its 90 years. trademark was invented to protect well known brand names, now it has become something that you can lay claim to words, anywhere, any use. patents were supposedly to spur innovation, now they are tools with which you can lay claim to genes, and soon laws of nature. (well because you found them first, right ).
its stupid. we need to abolish these before we end up with a new, this time intellectual feudal aristocracy.
can you imagine someone holding the patent to theory of gravity ? or equations of momentum, or theory of relativity ?
well, this is what would happen if these were discovered in our time. some bastard would go patent them and claim 'rights' on them.
its no different than patenting a gene. a gene is not an invention, not a creation. it is something that existed for millions of years, in the body of every human that has walked the earth. there is no way in hell that it would have any logic granting 'rights' on those.
really. time is long past for abolition of trade and copyright systems. they have turned into a medieval land grab moving toward intellectual feudalism. better to stop these things at the start than try to fight them off later.
and voila. companies may go against their corporate culture in accordance with the needs of the times, but in the long run, they cant avoid showing themselves for what they are. like microsoft blowing with the china-censorship issue and negating all the positive pr they and bill gates tried to do in the last years, nvidia also showed its own nature.
arent you already taxing the income that is generated as a result of that software ? and applying any kind of sales tax to the software, if there is a sales tax in the state ?
a lot of bullshit.
first, get your shit in order and make sure whom you are angry against first.
second, all the shit you are using on the net, rangin from any random forum to this very site you are on, are a product of web developers.
third, there is no separate 'developer' circle for facebook. it is generic web development as in phpbb, joomla, nuke development, so, the developers doing anything for facebook are a subset of the web developers, and some contributors to projects like above.
fourth, get your shit in order. you have serious identification and anger issues, not to mention not knowing who to thank for all this explosive development of user to user interaction of internet.
the parent makes a valid point. some majority/minority somewhere in the world all wanting the same thing does NOT make what they want acceptable, humane or ethical, and doesnt free us from our moral obligations as humans to act for the greater good.
they have started criticizing ms for their policy in china. its not like how it was back in bush era, is it microsoft.
Razor1911 is on it.
/. is not the only one running this article, and this platform wont be the only place this news is heard. i would really refrain from calling web development community 'sheep'. for their actions up to this point has been far from anything sheeple.
and how many of them are there ?
in the end, there will always be people specializing in an area. in every field there are such people, and will be. for them the specialization of their field is mandatory. but, for others, not. saying otherwise would be saying every engineer should have specialized mechanical engineering knowledge.
unfortunately i cant. opportunity only exists in the opening stages of a market, in which there are no established grand market holders. (like in early 19th century america, like internet in 90s). after that point you cant come in and set yourself up, unless the established order accepts you in.