democrats are not supporting it. but obama and his group had to vote for the bill, because if they resisted it, they wouldnt be enough with democrat numbers in senate to bring a bill that would trash telecoms, and nothing would change. in previous situation, warrantless wiretapping was totally without oversight. in the new situation, at least high courts are involved.
Re:Market. People. they decide. and they did.
on
Django 1.0 Released
·
· Score: 1
well,
the market, the people using oscommerce, phpbb et al doesnt care about frameworks, mvc, but they care about ease, price, accessibility AND widespread support.
its like a microsoft thing. everyone buys xp, windows. why ? because it enjoys the greatest reach, AND most importantly, it has the greatest software selection available to run on it. same goes with php now - there is EVERYthing available, for EVERY version of that field, with every option. AND with very cheap, abundantly available experts to do what you want from negotiable rates. its like this - if entire internet unifies around some technology and promotes it against php, yes, things can change. just like linux vs microsoft. but it wont happen, because php is no microsoft (in evil sense) and it delivers.
i typed all that text, and not even 100 ordinary users stared caring about mvc in the duration i wrote it, all around the world. we programmers care about it. but, we programmers dont pay our own wages. people do.
Re:Market. People. they decide. and they did.
on
Django 1.0 Released
·
· Score: 1
i dont think they will change.
there is a critical mass. if all those cool, new hip stuff had come out 3 years ago, yea, things would change.
now, 'oscommerce programming' has become an expertise field of its own. if a good l.a.m.p. developer gets $20/hour rate when globally freelancing (indian, american, european, russian markets combined), a good osc programmer can get easily $30. AND that is if you can catch one. this should tell how broad, far reaching has php become - scripts working on it are now expertise fields in themselves, and fetching good rates.
yes, ruby, rails, ajax, all hip and new, but, the genie is out of the bottle, and that genie's name is php.
Re:Market. People. they decide. and they did.
on
Django 1.0 Released
·
· Score: 1
aaah. no they dont. i actually work on ecommerce development, and they dont mess with any obscure cart.
Market. People. they decide. and they did.
on
Django 1.0 Released
·
· Score: 4, Interesting
excuse me, i hate to break it to you people but we programmers dont decide what goes on to being popular.
a LOT of 'great' and truly great technologies were devised and pushed to the net, and what happened ?
people chose what they would.
php grown way over itself as of now. the demand for it, and the applications on it, regardless of how much you despise or belittle them, are growing boundless. phpbb, oscommerce, name your pick. especially oscommerce has grown over a cart, and kind of became an industry standard. every major provider of anything from ups, fedex to any payment provider SUPPORTS it. but call them and say 'hey i have a great cart on this and this great framework, i cant make it work with your service', and you'll learn that youre on your own.
a lot of you, i know, are career i.t. staff. working on positions in corporations, having little touch with the 'ordinary people' out there on the net.
this creates a sphere of isolation, and makes one mistake the trends. there is only one trend that decides everything - choice of the people. look at what php was 5 years ago, where it was, and where it is now, almost a default for shared web hosting, or small business apps for every kind of sector. its so default that, some people who are less technologically literate tend to take php as 'hosting'.
my a few cents. early in the morning. sleepless. coherency shouldnt be expected. random thoughts.
explain to me, why there was NO remainder of anything a passenger plane crash leaves in a crash site, and there were NO bodies, passenger belongings, pieces of bodies, ANYTHING but fairly intact TWO bodies in the scene. tell me where the hell did the 767's huge tail has vanished. tell me where did its 2 two huge engines go. tell me why the hell that pentagon yard was SO neat and tidy despite a freaking passenger liner has crashed on it SO bad that neither its engines nor its tail is anywhere to be seen. tell me how the hell a soft passenger liner was able to punch neat holes in 3 cocentric circles of pentagon and which part did that. the electronic equipment in the nose ? the pilot cabin ? the toilet ?
please, spare the bullshit. as if the world has never seen a passenger liner crash.
the freedom had created all the i.t. we know today, also internet. if we let go of it through whatever reason, we let go of everything.
The 'union' in this context seems to be like
on
Should IT Unionize?
·
· Score: 1
"i cant compete, and i want someone else to compete for me".
i dont know any good i.t. worker with good skills that is out of job, or underpaid. (if they are not stupid and let themselves exploitated). many people i know actually have so much demand that they are having to choose what to go with.
Do that. All other countries will then do it too
on
Should IT Unionize?
·
· Score: 1
and then will end the freedom of trade and business on the internet. every country will mandate that whatever done in I.T., has to be done with their countrys' it workers. and no company will be getting contracts from other countries from now on. you'll be stuck with whatever demand there is for i.t. in your own country, for the better, and for the worse.
and as this process will introduce bureaucracy that will force standards, you wont be able to just take a plane to another country you can get living permit and start working in a i.t. job either. you will have to go through insane tests for 1-2 years and 'prove' that you can work in i.t., just like doctors, architects have to do. hey wait a minute - they DONT. process is so arduous that many doctors just prefer to stay in their own country rather than engage in a dud 'acceptance' procedure in another country. better or worse.
ah, while they are at it, there sure would be a lot of sources who would demand that trade on the internet also should be 'subsidized and encouraged' for their own nation.
whoooopssss. end the internet freedom. you wont easily go to facebook or orkut or any other website and get an account there - why should you be let to do so, while there are the SAME services in your OWN country ? enter censorship and ban, to 'promote national i.t. industries'.
no.
unionizing is FAR stupid.
we are not coal mine workers. we are i.t. people. there has been no other profession on earth that members of which have been able to DICTATE not only their wages, but also what they want, on not only their bosses but entire companies/organizations.
yea, we, i.t. workers are like that. if you are good in your field, you can freelance even in u.s., canada and command $85/hour. hell, if you are good in your field, you can even go freelance in turkey and demand $100/hour and get it. not only that, but people LISTEN to you, or have to listen to. after all, youre the guy with the keys.
all the bullshit and bickering around the distros, licenses, names and foundations aside, the free software has come a loong way in the last 15 years.
instead of bickering with each other, we should try to improve the situation further by concentrating on best sides of everything, and patching or helping patching the weak sides.
and even neglected my classes in university because of it, a lot of other things and whatnot.
now when i look back, i can understand that it wasnt the games that got me addicted. i was passing time with them - as if i was perpetually in waiting.
later observation of other people seemed to nail that idea, i saw many people taking to gaming to great extent when they were in a waiting period in their life - waiting for military service, marriage, between jobs, wake of big decisions about their life etc.
especially in school era, this 'waiting' concept climaxes, because the individual is actually passive, taking in information but not producing anything on his/her OWN initiative and planning. subconscious knows any homework, project, intermediary goal that is set are just temporary, therefore is still aware of the passivity of the individuals willpower.
once the individual is out of school and at the control of his/her own life for real, and when s/he sets a real objective, one soon discovers that all gaming habits change. first it lessens to the extent that it becomes a stress outlet, a relaxation, then some way to rest the mind, then, at some point, the struggle for reaching the objective that is set becomes a game in itself, and the person resorts to gaming less and less.
im at that point in my life. games bore me out of my mind now. and by games, i mean everything. i played everything from defender of crown in 1986 to crysis, from fate of atlantis, star control 2 to europa universalis 3.
then again i dropped out of college and set out to establish myself as an entrepreneur on the new world that is internet. that IS a game in itself.
its highly relevant, for any browser's success is also dependent on its acceptance by developers.
each additional browser is annoying us web developers profoundly. it requires you develop the application/site by testing in not only different browsers, but also their different versions.
currently we have firefox 2, 3, ie 6,7 to test for with 8 pending. not even talking about konqueror or safari. now enter google's browser and its 1-2 versions coming up in 1-1.5 years.
you do the math.
and NO - you cant produce 'standards compliant' code and expect to sit pretty. because regardless of their promises, every browser comes up failing at some point in regard to standards.
this is not a single or rare occurrence. in the last 5 years all kinds of opponents all around russian federation have been killed 'accidentally' in numerous 'incidents'.
anyone who would think that this was a real accident is thoroughly naive or stupid.
tell me what is preventing all other companies around the world from setting up factories in china and exporting to everywhere from there. hey - my bad, they ARE already doing it.
exporting doesnt mean zit. market size is important for having a clout. germany is a small market, doesnt have the clout many expanding markets (china, russia and the like) have in international trade.
Slashdot Mirror
and put him in command of the fleet. there wont be any pirate problems after that.
so many stuff are using them, that means they ARE useful ffs.
democrats are not supporting it. but obama and his group had to vote for the bill, because if they resisted it, they wouldnt be enough with democrat numbers in senate to bring a bill that would trash telecoms, and nothing would change. in previous situation, warrantless wiretapping was totally without oversight. in the new situation, at least high courts are involved.
well,
the market, the people using oscommerce, phpbb et al doesnt care about frameworks, mvc, but they care about ease, price, accessibility AND widespread support.
its like a microsoft thing. everyone buys xp, windows. why ? because it enjoys the greatest reach, AND most importantly, it has the greatest software selection available to run on it. same goes with php now - there is EVERYthing available, for EVERY version of that field, with every option. AND with very cheap, abundantly available experts to do what you want from negotiable rates. its like this - if entire internet unifies around some technology and promotes it against php, yes, things can change. just like linux vs microsoft. but it wont happen, because php is no microsoft (in evil sense) and it delivers.
i typed all that text, and not even 100 ordinary users stared caring about mvc in the duration i wrote it, all around the world. we programmers care about it. but, we programmers dont pay our own wages. people do.
i dont think they will change.
there is a critical mass. if all those cool, new hip stuff had come out 3 years ago, yea, things would change.
now, 'oscommerce programming' has become an expertise field of its own. if a good l.a.m.p. developer gets $20/hour rate when globally freelancing (indian, american, european, russian markets combined), a good osc programmer can get easily $30. AND that is if you can catch one. this should tell how broad, far reaching has php become - scripts working on it are now expertise fields in themselves, and fetching good rates.
yes, ruby, rails, ajax, all hip and new, but, the genie is out of the bottle, and that genie's name is php.
aaah. no they dont. i actually work on ecommerce development, and they dont mess with any obscure cart.
excuse me, i hate to break it to you people but we programmers dont decide what goes on to being popular.
a LOT of 'great' and truly great technologies were devised and pushed to the net, and what happened ?
people chose what they would.
php grown way over itself as of now. the demand for it, and the applications on it, regardless of how much you despise or belittle them, are growing boundless. phpbb, oscommerce, name your pick. especially oscommerce has grown over a cart, and kind of became an industry standard. every major provider of anything from ups, fedex to any payment provider SUPPORTS it. but call them and say 'hey i have a great cart on this and this great framework, i cant make it work with your service', and you'll learn that youre on your own.
a lot of you, i know, are career i.t. staff. working on positions in corporations, having little touch with the 'ordinary people' out there on the net.
this creates a sphere of isolation, and makes one mistake the trends. there is only one trend that decides everything - choice of the people. look at what php was 5 years ago, where it was, and where it is now, almost a default for shared web hosting, or small business apps for every kind of sector. its so default that, some people who are less technologically literate tend to take php as 'hosting'.
my a few cents. early in the morning. sleepless. coherency shouldnt be expected. random thoughts.
explain to me, why there was NO remainder of anything a passenger plane crash leaves in a crash site, and there were NO bodies, passenger belongings, pieces of bodies, ANYTHING but fairly intact TWO bodies in the scene. tell me where the hell did the 767's huge tail has vanished. tell me where did its 2 two huge engines go. tell me why the hell that pentagon yard was SO neat and tidy despite a freaking passenger liner has crashed on it SO bad that neither its engines nor its tail is anywhere to be seen. tell me how the hell a soft passenger liner was able to punch neat holes in 3 cocentric circles of pentagon and which part did that. the electronic equipment in the nose ? the pilot cabin ? the toilet ?
please, spare the bullshit. as if the world has never seen a passenger liner crash.
the word is out, you know. we all now know about the bullying of mythbusters by visa et all.
tell me, what would visa et al would do, if we, the people, the audience, decided to start using cards that were not employing bullying lawyers ?
tell me how they would cope with that.
let me tell you, and spare you the effort - i am the consumer. i am one of 'the people'. i have the power, and they dont have no shit.
such filthy, despicable lawyer bullying moves are only possible if the public doesnt learn what you did. in this case, public did learn.
well. texas is a neocon state. what'd you expect.
im TOTALLY pro-democrat.
yet some stuff need different approaches.
the freedom had created all the i.t. we know today, also internet. if we let go of it through whatever reason, we let go of everything.
"i cant compete, and i want someone else to compete for me".
i dont know any good i.t. worker with good skills that is out of job, or underpaid. (if they are not stupid and let themselves exploitated). many people i know actually have so much demand that they are having to choose what to go with.
and then will end the freedom of trade and business on the internet. every country will mandate that whatever done in I.T., has to be done with their countrys' it workers. and no company will be getting contracts from other countries from now on. you'll be stuck with whatever demand there is for i.t. in your own country, for the better, and for the worse.
and as this process will introduce bureaucracy that will force standards, you wont be able to just take a plane to another country you can get living permit and start working in a i.t. job either. you will have to go through insane tests for 1-2 years and 'prove' that you can work in i.t., just like doctors, architects have to do. hey wait a minute - they DONT. process is so arduous that many doctors just prefer to stay in their own country rather than engage in a dud 'acceptance' procedure in another country. better or worse.
ah, while they are at it, there sure would be a lot of sources who would demand that trade on the internet also should be 'subsidized and encouraged' for their own nation.
whoooopssss. end the internet freedom. you wont easily go to facebook or orkut or any other website and get an account there - why should you be let to do so, while there are the SAME services in your OWN country ? enter censorship and ban, to 'promote national i.t. industries'.
no.
unionizing is FAR stupid.
we are not coal mine workers. we are i.t. people. there has been no other profession on earth that members of which have been able to DICTATE not only their wages, but also what they want, on not only their bosses but entire companies/organizations.
yea, we, i.t. workers are like that. if you are good in your field, you can freelance even in u.s., canada and command $85/hour. hell, if you are good in your field, you can even go freelance in turkey and demand $100/hour and get it. not only that, but people LISTEN to you, or have to listen to. after all, youre the guy with the keys.
so, unionize and let go of ALL those things ?
go fuck off to 19th century.
its an everyday domain sale incident. sell it through sedo.com or something, with escrow.
exactly.
and i dont regret it. and often i think that i should have done it sooner.
but it is a reality for a while in the rest of the world.
welcome americans, back to earth.
all the bullshit and bickering around the distros, licenses, names and foundations aside, the free software has come a loong way in the last 15 years.
instead of bickering with each other, we should try to improve the situation further by concentrating on best sides of everything, and patching or helping patching the weak sides.
for, great strides are made in that manner.
doh. its around $14 even in turkey. w3 bchest i mean.
retaining the control of my computer is far more important than any shitty control schemes any game employs, even if i respect the title or developer.
and even neglected my classes in university because of it, a lot of other things and whatnot.
now when i look back, i can understand that it wasnt the games that got me addicted. i was passing time with them - as if i was perpetually in waiting.
later observation of other people seemed to nail that idea, i saw many people taking to gaming to great extent when they were in a waiting period in their life - waiting for military service, marriage, between jobs, wake of big decisions about their life etc.
especially in school era, this 'waiting' concept climaxes, because the individual is actually passive, taking in information but not producing anything on his/her OWN initiative and planning. subconscious knows any homework, project, intermediary goal that is set are just temporary, therefore is still aware of the passivity of the individuals willpower.
once the individual is out of school and at the control of his/her own life for real, and when s/he sets a real objective, one soon discovers that all gaming habits change. first it lessens to the extent that it becomes a stress outlet, a relaxation, then some way to rest the mind, then, at some point, the struggle for reaching the objective that is set becomes a game in itself, and the person resorts to gaming less and less.
im at that point in my life. games bore me out of my mind now. and by games, i mean everything. i played everything from defender of crown in 1986 to crysis, from fate of atlantis, star control 2 to europa universalis 3.
then again i dropped out of college and set out to establish myself as an entrepreneur on the new world that is internet. that IS a game in itself.
its highly relevant, for any browser's success is also dependent on its acceptance by developers.
each additional browser is annoying us web developers profoundly. it requires you develop the application/site by testing in not only different browsers, but also their different versions.
currently we have firefox 2, 3, ie 6,7 to test for with 8 pending. not even talking about konqueror or safari. now enter google's browser and its 1-2 versions coming up in 1-1.5 years.
you do the math.
and NO - you cant produce 'standards compliant' code and expect to sit pretty. because regardless of their promises, every browser comes up failing at some point in regard to standards.
treatment of new orleans by FEDERAL government was racist.
whatever you worked on. this is becoming really annoying.
this is not a single or rare occurrence. in the last 5 years all kinds of opponents all around russian federation have been killed 'accidentally' in numerous 'incidents'.
anyone who would think that this was a real accident is thoroughly naive or stupid.
tell me what is preventing all other companies around the world from setting up factories in china and exporting to everywhere from there. hey - my bad, they ARE already doing it.
exporting doesnt mean zit. market size is important for having a clout. germany is a small market, doesnt have the clout many expanding markets (china, russia and the like) have in international trade.