If you're in an MMORPG, and it allows PVP, isn't this type of action exactly what people are paying and playing for?
EVEN if you are in a MMORPG, and EVEN if it allows PVP, and EVEN if the policies allow for a multidude of acts, its still a SOCIAL environment, and some social rules, unwritten, still apply.
even in cutthroat killing of ww2, there were international rules observed.
even in lawless days of tribal history of mankind, there were unwritten moral rules. at least, rules of honor.
to state that 'anything goes' in a game just because its possible is not totally unlike saying anything goes in a post apocalyptic world after a nuclear war.
Really? Ironically you didn't name any of these countries/cultures because you're obviously talking out of your ass. Using such a stupid example does not make you "insightful".
in some number of middle eastern countries this holds unfortunately true. i wont name anyone in order not to be labeled anything near racist or etc. just do your own research.
in african countries its worse. still tribal laws are observed in many of those countries.
dont go ranting blabberscrap about things you dont know. and ironically whereas i was 'not able to rename' any of those countries, you were not even able to rename yourself, posting as an anonymous coward. why is that.
a place for people to go and do things they can't do in real life.
you also cant organize a medieval wedding without anyone not getting married and costing nothing. it classifies under the above concept.
additionally, mmo games are designed to cater to many people's tastes. but apparently so, it holds no longer true - from what i understand from many zealot/darwinian badass/evil wannabee posts i see in this thread, and the pathetically comical spending of moderation points by these wannabees - mmo games are designed for badass wannabees to whack each other's brains out. so then, what politicans say holds true indeed - games are spreading and celebrating violence.
Your friend is an idiot, and he has deliberately harassed people during an online event. Thats what it means. It doesnt matter whether it is allowed by that game's rules or not - it is an uncivil act. If you need an analogy, there are still countries/cultures in the world that allows you go eye for en eye -> you can legally kill someone who accidentally dropped a brick on one of your close relative's head killing him/her.
Story tells me that your friend was a socially disturbed wannabee. Which, i can empathize much, actually, for i was one of the socially disturbed wannabees who sought out wannabees like your friend and whacked them with great pleasure.
If you can't make your own fun in WoW you'll probably fail everywhere else as well.
the biggest pitfall.
player should not have to 'improvise' and 'imagine' by himself/herself to fulfill the game's promise. a mmo game, by definition, is something that tries to create the atmosphere of an alternative world.
if a mmo game is actually built as a grind race, and you have to 'improvise' and 'imagine' in order to get the promise of 'an alternative world', then that means something is wrong with that promise, or the game.
Your first post was some mathematical abstract on gear progression in WoW. It's really no suprise that you'll be perpertually bored if you choose to view the world this way.
"viewing perspective" doesnt change reality. there is an extent that 'viewing' can improve something.
no, problem is YOU. you are not playing world of warcraft, you are playing a single player game. the setting, events you describe can be realized in ANY game - playing with your son, wandering around here and there, not feeling like missing anything. you dont need any feature of wow for that.
"1300 Unopened Fry's Rebate Forms Found In Dumpster" - yes. im sure they will be able to protect interests of people just like they have prevented FELONIES committed by corporations like these.
tell me how many times this 'monitoring' have prevented uncompetitive practices EVEN in retail sector. and they are gonna 'monitor' it in internet - like its even practically possible to prevent abuse.
justice department is definitely on the list of public enemy institutions list. bought out by mafiaa.
Basically you are playing single player. Why not play kotor, or monkey island then.
My main motivation for getting her to higher levels at this point is so I can ride a broom on Halloween, so that's as close as I come to grinding for gear
you see, you need to get to higher levels even for riding a broom on haloween. thats what i was talking about.
its not the person who quits wow, but its the person who tries to achieve, overachieve and try to keep up despite being exploited by non genuine milking tricks like pavlov's dog who wants a position in the world, even if virtual, therefore needing help.
its not the seeking of a position in a virtual world structure thats the problem. problem is trying to do in a neverending milking environment, in expense of their self.
the only innovative/fun side i saw in wow was people in cities having improvised fun totally irrelevant of the game, gnomes, that small joke stuff, snowballs and so on.
illidan is endpoint. anything up until that point depends on itemization. its no excuse that you need to employ a little skill to down illidan, and then just monotonously repeat the same recipe. because in just 6 months time illidan will be history too, and grind will restart. for those who reached this point early putting 4 hours each night, the cycle will continue when they down the lich king at the new exp, and there is 4-5 months for the new exp to come.
nice to see there are still witty people in australia, despite the latest prime minister, who gives the feeling of rattlesnake when you look into his eyes.
there is always a point in time for a gamer that s/he enjoys totally 'achievement' based games. its a passing stage. after all, even achieving becomes repetitive after a few years.
in single player era we had games capitalized upon that, and others capitalized on other facets. but all games tried to strike at least a minimum balance of all elements.
now come the mmo era. the subscription based thing is much more preferable for gaming companies - huge cash involved, and keeps coming in. every 4 months is like another game sold to the subscriber. therefore all companies trying going that way and reap off cash.
in the process blizzard discovered that exploiting the itemization/achievement lust pays off. they have gone to extremes with the last expansion and decision of 10 new levels and 30 levels worth of reputation/item grinding with new expansions every year.
that will set a precedent for other companies, and force many mmos to go that way. therefore it will minimize the concepts of content, fun, casuality and adventurous time spent playing any game in most companies' products, because the other pays off more.
therefore we are looking forward to at least 5 or more years of bloodsucking in part of game companies, until many new gamers and hardcore gamers get bored off being milked and start seeking other forms of entertainment, creating the need of going back to basics - fun - in the gaming industry.
this is the climax of automation/industrialization in gaming that started in 95. its functioning like wal mart, not hollywood since then.
im prepared to go ecstatic at the moment the techie on the comlink is unsure about which to cut at the last 10 seconds, and bauer uses his guts to 'feel' the right one to cut.
The true hardcore gamers like the constant stream of high-end content to be played through and defeated. That's what they enjoy.
thats not hardcore gaming. hardcore gaming can be starcraft, hardcore gaming can be text based adventures, even mario bros tournaments, but being milked while grinding for the next item is not hardcore gaming. its seeking of 'achievement' feeling. its not related to games, hobby or fun. its the desire to make up for achievement not felt in real life. which is not too healthy.
its like being a career bitch in a game world. unfortunately, wow does not allow any other kind of playstyle - everything in the game is tied to levels and items, even crafting. therefore even as a crafter you need to go into endgame instances to acquire recipes, and since tbc, materials. they cant be traded either, so they force you to grinding the game for any purpose - pve, pvp, crafting,.
no wow is not suitable for gamers. hardcore, casual and inbetween. its suitable for people who need to make false achievements through a game.
i have participated in swg, founded a guild and founded one of the 10 first player cities. we were only 2 people back then. later the player association have formed into a 120-150 strong lot, and the city have become the biggest player city in eclipse. so old that many new players think its a dev city. we were being milked by sony at that time too - they constantly changed profession templates, constantly forcing people to switch to new professions in order to be able to play the game. BUT, there was other things swg offered - it allowed crafting that was not tied to levels, it allowed social grand scale stuff like city building, that you didnt need levels or grinding for, and just due to that reason swg was bearable for 2.5 years.
wow, even compared to swg is an excuse of a game. its a grind, a timesink, a cash cow.
and yes, its suitable for achievement deprived unfortunately, entire game is built upon the next step, which never comes, and noone is able to take time to look around the game in the meantime.
i specifically chosen lotro because you cant go killing the same instance bosses over and over again for itemization. so it shouldnt be a powergaming/itemcrafting environment. there is an actual end to the game.
i like mmos. im going into lotro in a few days, i have researched and found out that they have shown extreme caution towards lore and put content in utmost importance. what i seek is actually adventures, different experiences in a fun way. after a while i might try age of conan, for they are weighing on the lore factor quite a bit too.
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EVEN if you are in a MMORPG, and EVEN if it allows PVP, and EVEN if the policies allow for a multidude of acts, its still a SOCIAL environment, and some social rules, unwritten, still apply.
even in cutthroat killing of ww2, there were international rules observed.
even in lawless days of tribal history of mankind, there were unwritten moral rules. at least, rules of honor.
to state that 'anything goes' in a game just because its possible is not totally unlike saying anything goes in a post apocalyptic world after a nuclear war.
in some number of middle eastern countries this holds unfortunately true. i wont name anyone in order not to be labeled anything near racist or etc. just do your own research.
in african countries its worse. still tribal laws are observed in many of those countries.
dont go ranting blabberscrap about things you dont know. and ironically whereas i was 'not able to rename' any of those countries, you were not even able to rename yourself, posting as an anonymous coward. why is that.
i didnt know that one. but it seems to hold quite well. some suppressed people are going that way when anonymous in games.
you also cant organize a medieval wedding without anyone not getting married and costing nothing. it classifies under the above concept.
additionally, mmo games are designed to cater to many people's tastes. but apparently so, it holds no longer true - from what i understand from many zealot/darwinian badass/evil wannabee posts i see in this thread, and the pathetically comical spending of moderation points by these wannabees - mmo games are designed for badass wannabees to whack each other's brains out. so then, what politicans say holds true indeed - games are spreading and celebrating violence.
so online games are designed around decidedly uncivil acts, after all
Your friend is an idiot, and he has deliberately harassed people during an online event. Thats what it means. It doesnt matter whether it is allowed by that game's rules or not - it is an uncivil act. If you need an analogy, there are still countries/cultures in the world that allows you go eye for en eye -> you can legally kill someone who accidentally dropped a brick on one of your close relative's head killing him/her.
Story tells me that your friend was a socially disturbed wannabee. Which, i can empathize much, actually, for i was one of the socially disturbed wannabees who sought out wannabees like your friend and whacked them with great pleasure.
the biggest pitfall.
player should not have to 'improvise' and 'imagine' by himself/herself to fulfill the game's promise. a mmo game, by definition, is something that tries to create the atmosphere of an alternative world.
if a mmo game is actually built as a grind race, and you have to 'improvise' and 'imagine' in order to get the promise of 'an alternative world', then that means something is wrong with that promise, or the game.
Your first post was some mathematical abstract on gear progression in WoW. It's really no suprise that you'll be perpertually bored if you choose to view the world this way.
"viewing perspective" doesnt change reality. there is an extent that 'viewing' can improve something.
no, problem is YOU. you are not playing world of warcraft, you are playing a single player game. the setting, events you describe can be realized in ANY game - playing with your son, wandering around here and there, not feeling like missing anything. you dont need any feature of wow for that.
"1300 Unopened Fry's Rebate Forms Found In Dumpster" - yes. im sure they will be able to protect interests of people just like they have prevented FELONIES committed by corporations like these.
tell me how many times this 'monitoring' have prevented uncompetitive practices EVEN in retail sector. and they are gonna 'monitor' it in internet - like its even practically possible to prevent abuse.
justice department is definitely on the list of public enemy institutions list. bought out by mafiaa.
Now theres another type of fanboi in slashdot - wow zealots. Just examine the 'moderation' the parent post received. Sane people, of course.
My main motivation for getting her to higher levels at this point is so I can ride a broom on Halloween, so that's as close as I come to grinding for gear
you see, you need to get to higher levels even for riding a broom on haloween. thats what i was talking about.
Southern Confederation says slavery does not violate human rights.
you talk like a wow zealot.
its not the person who quits wow, but its the person who tries to achieve, overachieve and try to keep up despite being exploited by non genuine milking tricks like pavlov's dog who wants a position in the world, even if virtual, therefore needing help.
its not the seeking of a position in a virtual world structure thats the problem. problem is trying to do in a neverending milking environment, in expense of their self.
exactly my feelings now.
the only innovative/fun side i saw in wow was people in cities having improvised fun totally irrelevant of the game, gnomes, that small joke stuff, snowballs and so on.
Thank god going back to 1774 ideals started in united states.
illidan is endpoint. anything up until that point depends on itemization. its no excuse that you need to employ a little skill to down illidan, and then just monotonously repeat the same recipe. because in just 6 months time illidan will be history too, and grind will restart. for those who reached this point early putting 4 hours each night, the cycle will continue when they down the lich king at the new exp, and there is 4-5 months for the new exp to come.
nice to see there are still witty people in australia, despite the latest prime minister, who gives the feeling of rattlesnake when you look into his eyes.
now there is this.
there is always a point in time for a gamer that s/he enjoys totally 'achievement' based games. its a passing stage. after all, even achieving becomes repetitive after a few years.
in single player era we had games capitalized upon that, and others capitalized on other facets. but all games tried to strike at least a minimum balance of all elements.
now come the mmo era. the subscription based thing is much more preferable for gaming companies - huge cash involved, and keeps coming in. every 4 months is like another game sold to the subscriber. therefore all companies trying going that way and reap off cash.
in the process blizzard discovered that exploiting the itemization/achievement lust pays off. they have gone to extremes with the last expansion and decision of 10 new levels and 30 levels worth of reputation/item grinding with new expansions every year.
that will set a precedent for other companies, and force many mmos to go that way. therefore it will minimize the concepts of content, fun, casuality and adventurous time spent playing any game in most companies' products, because the other pays off more.
therefore we are looking forward to at least 5 or more years of bloodsucking in part of game companies, until many new gamers and hardcore gamers get bored off being milked and start seeking other forms of entertainment, creating the need of going back to basics - fun - in the gaming industry.
this is the climax of automation/industrialization in gaming that started in 95. its functioning like wal mart, not hollywood since then.
im prepared to go ecstatic at the moment the techie on the comlink is unsure about which to cut at the last 10 seconds, and bauer uses his guts to 'feel' the right one to cut.
thats not hardcore gaming. hardcore gaming can be starcraft, hardcore gaming can be text based adventures, even mario bros tournaments, but being milked while grinding for the next item is not hardcore gaming. its seeking of 'achievement' feeling. its not related to games, hobby or fun. its the desire to make up for achievement not felt in real life. which is not too healthy.
its like being a career bitch in a game world. unfortunately, wow does not allow any other kind of playstyle - everything in the game is tied to levels and items, even crafting. therefore even as a crafter you need to go into endgame instances to acquire recipes, and since tbc, materials. they cant be traded either, so they force you to grinding the game for any purpose - pve, pvp, crafting,.
no wow is not suitable for gamers. hardcore, casual and inbetween. its suitable for people who need to make false achievements through a game.
i have participated in swg, founded a guild and founded one of the 10 first player cities. we were only 2 people back then. later the player association have formed into a 120-150 strong lot, and the city have become the biggest player city in eclipse. so old that many new players think its a dev city. we were being milked by sony at that time too - they constantly changed profession templates, constantly forcing people to switch to new professions in order to be able to play the game. BUT, there was other things swg offered - it allowed crafting that was not tied to levels, it allowed social grand scale stuff like city building, that you didnt need levels or grinding for, and just due to that reason swg was bearable for 2.5 years.
wow, even compared to swg is an excuse of a game. its a grind, a timesink, a cash cow.
and yes, its suitable for achievement deprived unfortunately, entire game is built upon the next step, which never comes, and noone is able to take time to look around the game in the meantime.
i specifically chosen lotro because you cant go killing the same instance bosses over and over again for itemization. so it shouldnt be a powergaming/itemcrafting environment. there is an actual end to the game.
eheheh yeaaa i suck at wow. i so suck that i have quit it.
jealous of what ? being milked in a timesink ? been there, done that in swg. its nothing fun.
Bauer saves the america by manually defusing falling nuclear warheads in mid-air, without a parachute.
i like mmos. im going into lotro in a few days, i have researched and found out that they have shown extreme caution towards lore and put content in utmost importance. what i seek is actually adventures, different experiences in a fun way. after a while i might try age of conan, for they are weighing on the lore factor quite a bit too.