Everyone knows that no candidate without sufficient money or media backing can make it to any major radio station or tv channel.
things like youtube are needed for leveling the playing field for ANY AND ALL citizens for the first time in WORLD HISTORY.
it was just a fallacious statement that "everyone can run for elections" before. in any country that democratic elections took place, there has been no cases that normal citizens with little income were able to run for important positions and get elected.
this was a pretty little neat trick that ensured the circles who had the money would be the ones ruling the country, and under the pretense of democracy - hey everyone can run for elections. you just wont be able to get heard if you dont have the cash.
internet, with rising connectivity of people and exposure it provides, is being an annoyance for such politician circles, and the media outlets and cartels that backed whichever candidate that would play on their side in the elections and make them get elected.
hence the shithead attack on network neutrality by at&t and their cronies, hence banning of youtube in such countries on political reasons, hence tokyo city's annoyance.
yes i do believe time in regard to public computer usage started in the late 80s, in the context this article is put forth, or our discussion. because prior to that hi-tech stuff was limited to businesses, and even than to the more 'modernized' ones.
if "best tech products of all time" is going to be spoken of, then the article should incorporate aircraft, gps, lightbulb, wheel and more. if its "all" time, thats that. if not, then we fall back into the context of what made the technology public, and used widespread.
this will be the likely excuse, or an equivalent of it, that they are going to use to justify home spying in 2015. it is always something you cant object.
They were perfect since 2003, without a glitch. They merged with ev1servers, some support latency problems issued. but it appears that they are fixing these matters. reliable - www.theplanet.com
Then the recording industry became concerned that DAT would encourage piracy because it could be used to make near-perfect digital copies of recorded music. The industry convinced Congress to pass the Audio Home Recording Act in 1992, which required strong -- some might say Draconian -- copy protection for DAT. It also required that DAT equipment vendors pay royalties to the recording industry.
see the morons ? they buried their own product before it took off. one would think that the jerks feeding riaa would have taken a lesson from what these morons did.
earlier post was cut in the last part due to a special sign i put in, so im reposting this :
What part of Europe are you living in? Commodore 64s in the mid '90s?
turkey. you go figure.
(and what does the Amiga have to do with anything? The next-generation successor to the Commodore 64 was the Atari ST... the Amiga was produced by the Atari 800 team)
you and i are looking into the issue from totally different perspectives. you are approaching in business & technical, i am approaching it just like a kid who has grown up in the era and which stuff had what impact in his life.
i played, LIVED with c64s. i have HEARD of a computer "atari" exists, and thats by coincidence. i SAW amigas, but was never able to play with them, they were rich family kids' toys. i have seen lower middle class youth trying to do assembly programming on c64, trying to code hacks and stuff. i have learnt basic on msx, i would prefer c64, but my father was had electronics hobby and thought 2x the memory would be better, having no idea of the concept of software abundance so bought msx instead.
Regardless of the answer, the subject isn't "50 most popular tech products", it's "50 best tech products". Where "best" is a measure of quality or priority... and (as in the VisiCalc versus 1-2-3) they apparently consider that quality has precedence over priority.
The Commodore 64 was neither the first nor the best.
if "best" would be a measure of quality and priority, there would be tons of products there that the article never mentions enough.
and more and more the article pumps up stuff as to how they changed and affected our lives. so, it is clear that the evaluation has a GREAT deal of the concept of "popularity" in it, since impacting lives requires popularity, but that popularity apparently is restricted to their own circle of designers/publishers, with 7 places awarded to mac only. i am sitting in front of a computer (pc) since 1993, with hours varying from regular 4-5 hours to regular 14 hours, doing international web development, running 2-3 considerable traffic websites, adminstering a linux server that can handle over 2 million uniques per month, and i have yet NEVER SEEN or USED a mac, nor i have felt the need. and there are many people like me.
this should be an indicator that the article is rather biased.
What part of Europe are you living in? Commodore 64s in the mid '90s?
turkey. you go figure.
(and what does the Amiga have to do with anything? The next-generation successor to the Commodore 64 was the Atari ST... the Amiga was produced by the Atari 800 team)
you and i are looking into the issue from totally different perspectives. you are approaching in business & technical, i am approaching it just like a kid who has grown up in the era and which stuff had what impact in his life.
i played, LIVED with c64s. i have HEARD of a computer "atari" exists, and thats by coincidence. i SAW amigas, but was never able to play with them, they were rich family kids' toys. i have seen lower middle class youth trying to do assembly programming on c64, trying to code hacks and stuff. i have learnt basic on msx, i would prefer c64, but my father was had electronics hobby and thought 2x the memory would be better, having no idea of the concept of software abundance so bought msx instead.
Regardless of the answer, the subject isn't "50 most popular tech products", it's "50 best tech products". Where "best" is a measure of quality or priority... and (as in the VisiCalc versus 1-2-3) they apparently consider that quality has precedence over priority.
The Commodore 64 was neither the first nor the best.
if "best" would be a measure of quality and priority, there would be tons of products there that the article never mentions enough.
and more and more the article pumps up stuff as to how they changed and affected our lives. so, it is clear that the evaluation has a GREAT deal of the concept of "popularity" in it, since impacting lives requires popularity, but that popularity apparently is restricted to their own circle of designers/publishers, with 7 places awarded to mac only. i am sitting in front of a computer (pc) since 1993, with hours varying from regular 4-5 hours to regular 14 hours, doing international web development, running 2-3 considerable traffic websites, adminstering a linux server that can handle
this should be an indicator that the article is rather biased.
"the computer age" for the geeks, technically involved and business people started in mid 70s.
the computer age for 'the people', which really matters in this debate and the article in question (if it does not represent a narrow publisher/designer crowds' selection as i proposed) did not take effect until late 80s. and pc age, a sub-section of computer age if you will, did not take effect until mid 90s. and even by then in many homes youngsters were playing with c64s, or amigas if their family was well to do.
Paps, you still dont get the point. Let me phrase it in an exact way ; "c64 was the first cheap piece of gimmick that could be called a computer to be marketed & advertised to great extent and received well with the middle and lower middle classes as a result of cheap cost and versatility"
there were msx computers at that time too, comparably cheap and twice the memory capacity. however they were not marketed as successfully. hence, even after 1 year of presence of msx on the market, people were still buying c64s.
It was the spearhead of computer age, at least in europe. as an example in my generation there were no vic 20s, only 1 people i know owned atari computer, and they were rather rich, nobody else i know or even heard of atari computers being around, or even msx ones, everyone knew c64s, even arcade saloons were employing c64s which were modified to operate with coin-slot gimmicks.
you are talking about industry-wise stuff. public does not care for price wars or industry interrelations or movements.
you still didnt get the point. you are probably too rich (and your parents were too) to understand what price means in these matters.
all the entries you named close down on the $1000 barrier. mere mention of buying something $1000 for their children to "play with" (as they understand it) was enough to give a heart attack to many dads.
commodore was around just $200. its acceptable and affordable. THIS is the reason commodore is the spearhead of the computer thing. ibm pc was a clone of a business machine, and it took around 4-5 years for it to transform itself to a in-home machine, and then again it was not affordable by middle and lower middle classes.
is that they are publishing/designer people, and all their choices reflect that.
one major example they chose amiga over commodore 64. commodore was a precedent for all to follow. many programmers who are regularing slashdot have cut their teeth on that. we have seen the rise of the cracker scene and groups on that. many people, trend and groups who have set today's IT made their advent on c64.
but those people chose amiga. why ? because they are graphics/designer/publishing people. and all the choices reflect that - almost a third of what they chose as software and hardware are publishing/designing items.
There was a game called Spore being developed, you would took life from microbial stages of evolution to an interstellar civilization stage. what happened to it i wonder.
You are tall, well-fed, healthy people in a free land. Are you going to let yourselves be herded by shit that does the bidding of Mafiaa ? Act up and get those morons out of office.
If you cant compete, quit the field and go do another business.
people are not bound to be LIMITED in their freedoms using the taxes they THEMSELVES are paying, for the sake of any sector's personal profit and protection.
Slashdot Mirror
Everyone knows that no candidate without sufficient money or media backing can make it to any major radio station or tv channel.
things like youtube are needed for leveling the playing field for ANY AND ALL citizens for the first time in WORLD HISTORY.
it was just a fallacious statement that "everyone can run for elections" before. in any country that democratic elections took place, there has been no cases that normal citizens with little income were able to run for important positions and get elected.
this was a pretty little neat trick that ensured the circles who had the money would be the ones ruling the country, and under the pretense of democracy - hey everyone can run for elections. you just wont be able to get heard if you dont have the cash.
internet, with rising connectivity of people and exposure it provides, is being an annoyance for such politician circles, and the media outlets and cartels that backed whichever candidate that would play on their side in the elections and make them get elected.
hence the shithead attack on network neutrality by at&t and their cronies, hence banning of youtube in such countries on political reasons, hence tokyo city's annoyance.
yes i do believe time in regard to public computer usage started in the late 80s, in the context this article is put forth, or our discussion. because prior to that hi-tech stuff was limited to businesses, and even than to the more 'modernized' ones.
if "best tech products of all time" is going to be spoken of, then the article should incorporate aircraft, gps, lightbulb, wheel and more. if its "all" time, thats that. if not, then we fall back into the context of what made the technology public, and used widespread.
yet still your head of state is a "queen" and you are allocating budget for the royals to spend.
arent you all actually legally and traditionally "subjects" of your beloved king/queen ?
if you agree to it, why did you mod parent down.
if you dont agree with it, why do you have still king&queens ?
this will be the likely excuse, or an equivalent of it, that they are going to use to justify home spying in 2015. it is always something you cant object.
elaborate more please. we are going fine despite the ev1 merger still.
They were perfect since 2003, without a glitch. They merged with ev1servers, some support latency problems issued. but it appears that they are fixing these matters. reliable - www.theplanet.com
see the morons ? they buried their own product before it took off. one would think that the jerks feeding riaa would have taken a lesson from what these morons did.
What part of Europe are you living in? Commodore 64s in the mid '90s?
turkey. you go figure.
(and what does the Amiga have to do with anything? The next-generation successor to the Commodore 64 was the Atari ST... the Amiga was produced by the Atari 800 team)
you and i are looking into the issue from totally different perspectives. you are approaching in business & technical, i am approaching it just like a kid who has grown up in the era and which stuff had what impact in his life.
i played, LIVED with c64s. i have HEARD of a computer "atari" exists, and thats by coincidence. i SAW amigas, but was never able to play with them, they were rich family kids' toys. i have seen lower middle class youth trying to do assembly programming on c64, trying to code hacks and stuff. i have learnt basic on msx, i would prefer c64, but my father was had electronics hobby and thought 2x the memory would be better, having no idea of the concept of software abundance so bought msx instead.
Regardless of the answer, the subject isn't "50 most popular tech products", it's "50 best tech products". Where "best" is a measure of quality or priority... and (as in the VisiCalc versus 1-2-3) they apparently consider that quality has precedence over priority. The Commodore 64 was neither the first nor the best.
if "best" would be a measure of quality and priority, there would be tons of products there that the article never mentions enough.
and more and more the article pumps up stuff as to how they changed and affected our lives. so, it is clear that the evaluation has a GREAT deal of the concept of "popularity" in it, since impacting lives requires popularity, but that popularity apparently is restricted to their own circle of designers/publishers, with 7 places awarded to mac only. i am sitting in front of a computer (pc) since 1993, with hours varying from regular 4-5 hours to regular 14 hours, doing international web development, running 2-3 considerable traffic websites, adminstering a linux server that can handle over 2 million uniques per month, and i have yet NEVER SEEN or USED a mac, nor i have felt the need. and there are many people like me.
this should be an indicator that the article is rather biased.
turkey. you go figure.
(and what does the Amiga have to do with anything? The next-generation successor to the Commodore 64 was the Atari ST... the Amiga was produced by the Atari 800 team)
you and i are looking into the issue from totally different perspectives. you are approaching in business & technical, i am approaching it just like a kid who has grown up in the era and which stuff had what impact in his life.
i played, LIVED with c64s. i have HEARD of a computer "atari" exists, and thats by coincidence. i SAW amigas, but was never able to play with them, they were rich family kids' toys. i have seen lower middle class youth trying to do assembly programming on c64, trying to code hacks and stuff. i have learnt basic on msx, i would prefer c64, but my father was had electronics hobby and thought 2x the memory would be better, having no idea of the concept of software abundance so bought msx instead.
Regardless of the answer, the subject isn't "50 most popular tech products", it's "50 best tech products". Where "best" is a measure of quality or priority... and (as in the VisiCalc versus 1-2-3) they apparently consider that quality has precedence over priority. The Commodore 64 was neither the first nor the best.
if "best" would be a measure of quality and priority, there would be tons of products there that the article never mentions enough.
and more and more the article pumps up stuff as to how they changed and affected our lives. so, it is clear that the evaluation has a GREAT deal of the concept of "popularity" in it, since impacting lives requires popularity, but that popularity apparently is restricted to their own circle of designers/publishers, with 7 places awarded to mac only. i am sitting in front of a computer (pc) since 1993, with hours varying from regular 4-5 hours to regular 14 hours, doing international web development, running 2-3 considerable traffic websites, adminstering a linux server that can handle
this should be an indicator that the article is rather biased.
at this rate, im going to bear children from all commissioners. and thats despite im straight male. you go figure.
"the computer age" for the geeks, technically involved and business people started in mid 70s.
the computer age for 'the people', which really matters in this debate and the article in question (if it does not represent a narrow publisher/designer crowds' selection as i proposed) did not take effect until late 80s. and pc age, a sub-section of computer age if you will, did not take effect until mid 90s. and even by then in many homes youngsters were playing with c64s, or amigas if their family was well to do.
Paps, you still dont get the point. Let me phrase it in an exact way ; "c64 was the first cheap piece of gimmick that could be called a computer to be marketed & advertised to great extent and received well with the middle and lower middle classes as a result of cheap cost and versatility"
there were msx computers at that time too, comparably cheap and twice the memory capacity. however they were not marketed as successfully. hence, even after 1 year of presence of msx on the market, people were still buying c64s.
It was the spearhead of computer age, at least in europe. as an example in my generation there were no vic 20s, only 1 people i know owned atari computer, and they were rather rich, nobody else i know or even heard of atari computers being around, or even msx ones, everyone knew c64s, even arcade saloons were employing c64s which were modified to operate with coin-slot gimmicks.
you are talking about industry-wise stuff. public does not care for price wars or industry interrelations or movements.
as chimps, and still go around having human rights, yes, chimps should have human rights.
and thats no joke either. there are really many people around only as smart as chimps.
you still didnt get the point. you are probably too rich (and your parents were too) to understand what price means in these matters.
all the entries you named close down on the $1000 barrier. mere mention of buying something $1000 for their children to "play with" (as they understand it) was enough to give a heart attack to many dads.
commodore was around just $200. its acceptable and affordable. THIS is the reason commodore is the spearhead of the computer thing. ibm pc was a clone of a business machine, and it took around 4-5 years for it to transform itself to a in-home machine, and then again it was not affordable by middle and lower middle classes.
but c64 was.
just like apple was.
commodore 64 was the first widespread used gimmick that can be called a computer, which everyone were able to buy.
it introduced zillions of people to the concept of computers, programming and gaming.
no other entrant in that list has done that.
thats worse then.
someone pointed out there was 7 places for apple in their top 50. minus one amiga from my analysis, that makes them more mac fanboys.
yes. despite being just ~31 years of age, i remember playing zx spectrum
is that they are publishing/designer people, and all their choices reflect that.
one major example they chose amiga over commodore 64. commodore was a precedent for all to follow. many programmers who are regularing slashdot have cut their teeth on that. we have seen the rise of the cracker scene and groups on that. many people, trend and groups who have set today's IT made their advent on c64.
but those people chose amiga. why ? because they are graphics/designer/publishing people. and all the choices reflect that - almost a third of what they chose as software and hardware are publishing/designing items.
a very biased, and failed article that is.
wow really ?
thats nice to hear. i didnt hear of any recent swedish national election however
There was a game called Spore being developed, you would took life from microbial stages of evolution to an interstellar civilization stage. what happened to it i wonder.
life is balance.
the balance of the free market vs the government is exploitatively in favor of the corporations. this should not be the case.
with sufficient public power anyone can be made resign their office. be it politician be it bureucrat
You are tall, well-fed, healthy people in a free land. Are you going to let yourselves be herded by shit that does the bidding of Mafiaa ? Act up and get those morons out of office.
Yea.
If you cant compete, quit the field and go do another business.
people are not bound to be LIMITED in their freedoms using the taxes they THEMSELVES are paying, for the sake of any sector's personal profit and protection.
fucking bastards.