With Android you can install any software you want. With Apple, all apps have to be approved an bought from an Apple App Store.
With Android you can choose from multiple Markets (Android app stores) or install applications directly yourself. That is the big difference.
Ok, so with 250,000 (and growing by the second!) apps in the Apple App Store, and an estimated 50,000+ Android Apps (plus an insignificant additional number NOT in the Marketplace), I'd say, FOR THE AVERAGE USER, that the "Walled Garden" of the App Store is pretty fucking HUGE compared to the "Fully Open World" of Android Appdom.
In fact, over FIVE TIMES BIGGER (and the difference is getting LARGER with each passing SECOND, not smaller).
And, oh, BTW, HERE's what your precious "Freedom ton install any software you want" vs. "all apps have to be approved and bought from an Apple App Store" REALLY buys you. That is not a theory, it is fact.
"Liberty" on smartphones is NOT the same as "Liberty" in government. And, just so I don't get some sort of snippy retort, TRUE "Liberty" would mean that I could hunt you down and kill you for not agreeing with me. Do you really think THAT's "1337"?
Butthey shouldn't forget that people who trade in a stable system with a hand-picked selection of possibel apps for a locked down system tend to buy an iPhone in the first place.
If 250,000+ apps (and growing by the second!) is your idea of "Hand-picked apps", then I think that the term "Slightly restricted" would be MUCH more accurate than "Hand-picked" (which implies a very limited, exclusive set), don'tcha think?
Well they might be, after seeing what happened to the Droid. Except none of that makes any sense, because the one thing letting people mess with their own devices does is sell more units.
Like any good slashdotter, you have a HIGHLY inflated idea of the size of the "geek" market.
To the Motorolas and Verizons of the world, you are as the buzzing of flies.
Why are you starting your comment with "Except"? Normally that means you're contradicting the comment you're responding to, but in this case it seems that you're adding useless information that doesn't add to the topic or in any way invalidate the point you're responding to.
Much like your idiotic harangue. However, out here in the real world of reading comprehension, we adults realized that the "Except..." beginning was simply a colloquial language pattern that really means "However, in rebuttal to your statement".
Fucktard. YOU are the one that was "adding useless information", not the GP.
At least you can load and run your own programs onto the Droid X, even if you can't update the operating system to your own version.
Are you telling me you are actually DEFENDING this?!?
Opine all you want about Apple; but in 4 generations of iPhones, has Apple ever BRICKED a phone ON PURPOSE for Jailbreaking? Think they couldn't do it if they wanted to?
Yay, Rah! Open Source Forever!
Even when it really isn't OPEN at all (Android, I'm looking at you).
BTW, your little list of Open Source-ish projects that you INFER Apple has "closed" not only is utter bullshit; but worse, completely and conveniently ignores the DOZENS of Open Source projects Apple has either CREATED or participated in as part of OS X and iOS development.
Now, how many OSS projects have Verizon and Motorola created and/or participated in (and LEFT Open!) in the development of the Droid X?
Idiot.
Oh, and mods: Score 3 INSIGHTFUL for THAT bullshit?!? Feeling like your precious FABLE of "Open is Everything" is falling prey to corporate evil? And even more threatened that someone made an ANDROID phone that is TRULY LOCKED DOWN (unlike the bullshit that passes for "insightful" about iOS devices around here, which at least don't PREVENT you from stepping outside the so-called Walled Garden by INTENTIONALLY and PERMANENTLY BRICKING YOUR PHONE)?
Now go ahead and mod me Troll all you want; but you KNOW I'm right.
pple will get the consumer and RIM will get the business
Really? I know that iWork for iPad isn't exactly MSOffice (in some ways worse (Numbers), in some ways much better (Keynote)), but exactly what integrated word processor, spreadsheet, and presentation app suite does RIM have?
Those types of apps take serious amounts of time and money to develop.
Actually, your numbers are an under-estimate: over half of the population scratch _their_own_ balls. You've left out those in the other half of the population (the ball lacking half) that might be scratching the balls of those in the ball-possessing half of the population. If they scratch, you can get them too..;-)
You're both stupid. You have left out the most lucrative market of all: Homosexual males, who might scratch BOTH their own balls, AND the balls of another ball-possessing person or persons. Just THINK of the royalty potential!!!
Will your 5000 dollar box call home, have a staff of engineers at the ready, replace it's own drives and be constantly updated with firmware?
Um, NONE of those feature have ONE SINGLE THING to do with the underlying filesystem. You could make a NAS out of NTFS or HFS+ or (I'm guessing) EXT3 drives, that used something like the hard drives' SMART statuses to place orders over the intarwebs for a new HD (billed to your credit card) that would appear automagically at your doorstep. Big fucking deal.
As for the "auto-updating" firmware: Who in the FUCK wants ANYTHING as CRITICAL as a NAS to "auto update" its FIRMWARE?!?!? It can ASK; but I SURE as FUCK don't want my NAS to suddenly be HOSED (or simply inaccessible) just because some crackhead droid at NetApp posted the wrong binary (or even the right one!) to the "updates" directory on their server.
And as for a "staff of engineers at the ready", if your product is STABLE, you don't need "a staff of engineers at the ready", you simply need a few TECHNICIANS that can competently answer users' questions and address their problems. All those "engineers" do is ARTIFICIALLY increase the "reliability" of the product. Afterall, unless the "engineer" uses a matter-energy transporter to instantly appear at your NAS' side, it is HIGHLY unlikely that they will be able to help you regain accesss to, let alone RECOVER, your data ANY faster than a tech-support droid that you reach on the phone.
And, as I said before, NONE of those "features" have ANYTHING to do with "WAFL vs. ZFS". It is all about APPLICATION CODE that someone added to the "NAS Controller" (read: Embedded Linux Computer) running the NAS APPLICATION.
Jeezus! For a supposed "geek" site, some people on here are pretty fucking IGNORANT of how these SYSTEMS are designed, and just how many interlocking pieces-parts make up a NAS product. The particular filesystem used by the NAS Controller is but a small (and easily-changed by the manufactuer) part of the overall SYSTEM. Calling home to order a hard drive is only one small (and quite obvious) step from "emailing the owner" when an error is detected in the NAS, which is a feature many NAS' have (I just saw it this week on a Buffalo LinkStation NAS I was working on). Same thing with all the other "proprietary" features that NetApp sells to their oh-so-gullible customers.
WAFL may in fact be a wonderful FS; but the "features" you mention are simply not germane to the debate. Or to WAFL.
HD2 has none of these problems. dont lie to yourself.
i have hd2 and i look and search for hd2 news and tweaks and i've never seen anything like that reported.
Actually the pink camera issue is non existent on my nexus one the only real issue is the shoddy touchscreen
And, if Apple has released a "shoddy touchscreen", you'd see articles in the Wall Street Journal about it.
BIG difference how Apple is treated when they have ANY issue with ANY product, and the way EVERYBODY else is treated. For EVERYONE else it's "Well, nothing's perfect"; but with Apple, it's Big News(TM).
Apple didn't just fail at design of the new iPhone, but also abandoned previous generations with the iOS upgrade.
Moore's law. Suck it up.
When you buy a product, you draw a line in the temporal sand. At some point, you're GOING to be left behind.
But I am SURE that you would have bitched to the heavens if Apple would have said "No, sorry. The OS is really just not going to work out too well for the 3G platform. So, in order to preserve your user experience, we have PREVENTED iOS 4 from running on anything older than a 3GS."
Be honest now: You'd be on here bitching and moaning about how "Steve is MAKING us BUY NEW PHONES."
For FUCK'S SAKE, I thought this was a site that was visited by tech SAVVY people, not a bunch of whiny fucktards!
(So much for the misnomer "Apple designs good hardware." Say what? Then why is the hardware made by everyone else, at the same price range and often lower, designed significantly better?)
In pretty much every country that I know of, Honda cannot revoke the warranty on my car if I install an espresso machine, or use Goodyear tires. My engine and suspension are still under warranty as long as I use tires of the correct size...
Anal-abusing males and group-masturbating females (commonly known as lesbians) do not contribute children towards the population of Planet Earth and USA in particular.
I can't find the cite right now, but I have heard that something like 60% of gay males have one or more biological children.
Last time I checked Android was true open source as well. You don't have to tolerate any feature or antifeature in the OS. You can still roll your own. Granted this is not something the average person is comfortable doing, but for the slashdot crowd (who is particularly sensitive to these things), they have the technical where-with-all to remove them. I'll take Android any day over a closed system like iOS or Windows Phone/Mobile/whatever.
Excuse me, but don't all Android phones have some sort of "signing" mechanism for the OS?
So, to actually INSTALL your modified version of the OS, don't you have to break at least the ToS of most cell carriers?
Besides, as you pointed out, it is a vanishingly small subset of the smartphone-buying public (even those who are developers themselves) that would even want to ATTEMPT such a thing as modifying Android, and an even smaller subset of those could actually pull it off successfully.
So, for all practical purposes, Android is every bit as "closed" as iOS.
Besides, if it was practical to install a modified, or even UPDATED version of Android, then why oh why are there multiple comments on slashdot and articles around the intarwebs that insist that isn't the case?
I suppose it might be nefarious that they don't even need physical access to your phone to install it. But the install feature probably asks for user confirmation before receiving a "push" install from your carrier, just like my cheap Samsung dumbphone.
Right. Because the DELETE_ASSET API sure asked for confirmation before deleting those apps from potentially MILLIONS of Android phones.
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With Android you can install any software you want. With Apple, all apps have to be approved an bought from an Apple App Store.
With Android you can choose from multiple Markets (Android app stores) or install applications directly yourself. That is the big difference.
Ok, so with 250,000 (and growing by the second!) apps in the Apple App Store, and an estimated 50,000+ Android Apps (plus an insignificant additional number NOT in the Marketplace), I'd say, FOR THE AVERAGE USER, that the "Walled Garden" of the App Store is pretty fucking HUGE compared to the "Fully Open World" of Android Appdom.
In fact, over FIVE TIMES BIGGER (and the difference is getting LARGER with each passing SECOND, not smaller).
And, oh, BTW, HERE's what your precious "Freedom ton install any software you want" vs. "all apps have to be approved and bought from an Apple App Store" REALLY buys you. That is not a theory, it is fact.
"Liberty" on smartphones is NOT the same as "Liberty" in government. And, just so I don't get some sort of snippy retort, TRUE "Liberty" would mean that I could hunt you down and kill you for not agreeing with me. Do you really think THAT's "1337"?
Butthey shouldn't forget that people who trade in a stable system with a hand-picked selection of possibel apps for a locked down system tend to buy an iPhone in the first place.
If 250,000+ apps (and growing by the second!) is your idea of "Hand-picked apps", then I think that the term "Slightly restricted" would be MUCH more accurate than "Hand-picked" (which implies a very limited, exclusive set), don'tcha think?
Well they might be, after seeing what happened to the Droid. Except none of that makes any sense, because the one thing letting people mess with their own devices does is sell more units.
Like any good slashdotter, you have a HIGHLY inflated idea of the size of the "geek" market.
To the Motorolas and Verizons of the world, you are as the buzzing of flies.
Why are you starting your comment with "Except"? Normally that means you're contradicting the comment you're responding to, but in this case it seems that you're adding useless information that doesn't add to the topic or in any way invalidate the point you're responding to.
Much like your idiotic harangue. However, out here in the real world of reading comprehension, we adults realized that the "Except..." beginning was simply a colloquial language pattern that really means "However, in rebuttal to your statement".
Fucktard. YOU are the one that was "adding useless information", not the GP.
At least you can load and run your own programs onto the Droid X, even if you can't update the operating system to your own version.
Are you telling me you are actually DEFENDING this?!?
Opine all you want about Apple; but in 4 generations of iPhones, has Apple ever BRICKED a phone ON PURPOSE for Jailbreaking? Think they couldn't do it if they wanted to?
Yay, Rah! Open Source Forever!
Even when it really isn't OPEN at all (Android, I'm looking at you).
BTW, your little list of Open Source-ish projects that you INFER Apple has "closed" not only is utter bullshit; but worse, completely and conveniently ignores the DOZENS of Open Source projects Apple has either CREATED or participated in as part of OS X and iOS development.
Now, how many OSS projects have Verizon and Motorola created and/or participated in (and LEFT Open!) in the development of the Droid X?
Idiot.
Oh, and mods: Score 3 INSIGHTFUL for THAT bullshit?!? Feeling like your precious FABLE of "Open is Everything" is falling prey to corporate evil? And even more threatened that someone made an ANDROID phone that is TRULY LOCKED DOWN (unlike the bullshit that passes for "insightful" about iOS devices around here, which at least don't PREVENT you from stepping outside the so-called Walled Garden by INTENTIONALLY and PERMANENTLY BRICKING YOUR PHONE)?
Now go ahead and mod me Troll all you want; but you KNOW I'm right.
Sure, because apple released a tablet everyone's nipples are hard for one, but honestly it's a flash in the pan.
Sounds like Bill Gates' famous 1993 quote regarding the internet: "The Internet? We are not interested in it".
pple will get the consumer and RIM will get the business
Really? I know that iWork for iPad isn't exactly MSOffice (in some ways worse (Numbers), in some ways much better (Keynote)), but exactly what integrated word processor, spreadsheet, and presentation app suite does RIM have?
,'cuz this is all they show under "Business Software"!!!
Those types of apps take serious amounts of time and money to develop.
RIM better get crackin'
Oh, and the "business" market for the iPad hasn't been lost on Apple, either.
You mean like the Axiotron Modbook? It's a really nice device designed by Woz. I considered getting one myself but it's a bit expensive.
It IS nice; but it wasn't DESIGNED by Woz. He is involved with the company; but pretty much only as a PR booster.
And it is insanely expensive.
Actually, your numbers are an under-estimate: over half of the population scratch _their_own_ balls. You've left out those in the other half of the population (the ball lacking half) that might be scratching the balls of those in the ball-possessing half of the population. If they scratch, you can get them too.. ;-)
You're both stupid. You have left out the most lucrative market of all: Homosexual males, who might scratch BOTH their own balls, AND the balls of another ball-possessing person or persons. Just THINK of the royalty potential!!!
Amateur marketers... Pah!
As for TFA, call me names if you want, but I don't blame MSFT (or Amazon, or IBM, etc) for patenting every stupid idea they can think of.
I understand. But in this case, MICROSOFT didn't think of it.
To be fair, the page-curl gesture was first seen in the third-party iPhone e-reader app "Classics".
Will your 5000 dollar box call home, have a staff of engineers at the ready, replace it's own drives and be constantly updated with firmware?
Um, NONE of those feature have ONE SINGLE THING to do with the underlying filesystem. You could make a NAS out of NTFS or HFS+ or (I'm guessing) EXT3 drives, that used something like the hard drives' SMART statuses to place orders over the intarwebs for a new HD (billed to your credit card) that would appear automagically at your doorstep. Big fucking deal.
As for the "auto-updating" firmware: Who in the FUCK wants ANYTHING as CRITICAL as a NAS to "auto update" its FIRMWARE?!?!? It can ASK; but I SURE as FUCK don't want my NAS to suddenly be HOSED (or simply inaccessible) just because some crackhead droid at NetApp posted the wrong binary (or even the right one!) to the "updates" directory on their server.
And as for a "staff of engineers at the ready", if your product is STABLE, you don't need "a staff of engineers at the ready", you simply need a few TECHNICIANS that can competently answer users' questions and address their problems. All those "engineers" do is ARTIFICIALLY increase the "reliability" of the product. Afterall, unless the "engineer" uses a matter-energy transporter to instantly appear at your NAS' side, it is HIGHLY unlikely that they will be able to help you regain accesss to, let alone RECOVER, your data ANY faster than a tech-support droid that you reach on the phone.
And, as I said before, NONE of those "features" have ANYTHING to do with "WAFL vs. ZFS". It is all about APPLICATION CODE that someone added to the "NAS Controller" (read: Embedded Linux Computer) running the NAS APPLICATION.
Jeezus! For a supposed "geek" site, some people on here are pretty fucking IGNORANT of how these SYSTEMS are designed, and just how many interlocking pieces-parts make up a NAS product. The particular filesystem used by the NAS Controller is but a small (and easily-changed by the manufactuer) part of the overall SYSTEM. Calling home to order a hard drive is only one small (and quite obvious) step from "emailing the owner" when an error is detected in the NAS, which is a feature many NAS' have (I just saw it this week on a Buffalo LinkStation NAS I was working on). Same thing with all the other "proprietary" features that NetApp sells to their oh-so-gullible customers.
WAFL may in fact be a wonderful FS; but the "features" you mention are simply not germane to the debate. Or to WAFL.
HD2 has none of these problems. dont lie to yourself. i have hd2 and i look and search for hd2 news and tweaks and i've never seen anything like that reported.
Liar, Liar, Pants on FIRE!.
Actually the pink camera issue is non existent on my nexus one the only real issue is the shoddy touchscreen
And, if Apple has released a "shoddy touchscreen", you'd see articles in the Wall Street Journal about it.
BIG difference how Apple is treated when they have ANY issue with ANY product, and the way EVERYBODY else is treated. For EVERYONE else it's "Well, nothing's perfect"; but with Apple, it's Big News(TM).
Gimme a break.
Apple didn't just fail at design of the new iPhone, but also abandoned previous generations with the iOS upgrade.
Moore's law. Suck it up.
When you buy a product, you draw a line in the temporal sand. At some point, you're GOING to be left behind.
But I am SURE that you would have bitched to the heavens if Apple would have said "No, sorry. The OS is really just not going to work out too well for the 3G platform. So, in order to preserve your user experience, we have PREVENTED iOS 4 from running on anything older than a 3GS."
Be honest now: You'd be on here bitching and moaning about how "Steve is MAKING us BUY NEW PHONES."
For FUCK'S SAKE, I thought this was a site that was visited by tech SAVVY people, not a bunch of whiny fucktards!
(So much for the misnomer "Apple designs good hardware." Say what? Then why is the hardware made by everyone else, at the same price range and often lower, designed significantly better?)
Prove that EVERYONE else's hardware is:
1. Same price range or lower.
2. Designed significantly better.
In pretty much every country that I know of, Honda cannot revoke the warranty on my car if I install an espresso machine, or use Goodyear tires. My engine and suspension are still under warranty as long as I use tires of the correct size...
Prove it.
Anal-abusing males and group-masturbating females (commonly known as lesbians) do not contribute children towards the population of Planet Earth and USA in particular.
I can't find the cite right now, but I have heard that something like 60% of gay males have one or more biological children.
Next?
BTW, what happened to MS Surface? That seemed pretty cool.
You're kidding, right?
That would be Windows Phone 7. Thanks to iPhone it's likely to meet a similar fate.
There, fixed that for you...
Especially since Apple received a taxpayer bailout
Citation, please.
Last time I checked Android was true open source as well. You don't have to tolerate any feature or antifeature in the OS. You can still roll your own. Granted this is not something the average person is comfortable doing, but for the slashdot crowd (who is particularly sensitive to these things), they have the technical where-with-all to remove them. I'll take Android any day over a closed system like iOS or Windows Phone/Mobile/whatever.
Excuse me, but don't all Android phones have some sort of "signing" mechanism for the OS?
So, to actually INSTALL your modified version of the OS, don't you have to break at least the ToS of most cell carriers?
Besides, as you pointed out, it is a vanishingly small subset of the smartphone-buying public (even those who are developers themselves) that would even want to ATTEMPT such a thing as modifying Android, and an even smaller subset of those could actually pull it off successfully.
So, for all practical purposes, Android is every bit as "closed" as iOS.
Besides, if it was practical to install a modified, or even UPDATED version of Android, then why oh why are there multiple comments on slashdot and articles around the intarwebs that insist that isn't the case?
I suppose it might be nefarious that they don't even need physical access to your phone to install it. But the install feature probably asks for user confirmation before receiving a "push" install from your carrier, just like my cheap Samsung dumbphone.
Right. Because the DELETE_ASSET API sure asked for confirmation before deleting those apps from potentially MILLIONS of Android phones.
Oh, wait...
Eeeek!!!!!
So they yanked a few bad apps off phones... So what?
Please don't insult me by telling me you'd have the same reaction if Apple did a similar thing.
To make it more interesting... they even disclosed it!
Yeah, in a fucking BLOG. Not exactly shouting it from the rooftops...
Then don't install apps from the app store DUMBASS. You can get the same apps without using the app store, and Google can't delete them.
Prove it.
DUMBASS.