Research consistently shows that processed mono-sugars are harmful in ways that fruit isn't, even where the total sugar content in the fruit is the same.
And yet, if you process the fruit to extract mono-sugars, they are just as bad as any other mono-sugar, in some cases they're in the worst group.
So it makes no sense to just measure total sugar and presume it is harmful. What appears to matter a lot more for health is added sugar and highly processed foods generally.
Just like white flour is harmful because of the mono-carbs, but whole grain isn't.
Yeah, if you care about health and ingredients you have to really learn the vocabulary of food marketing in order to understand what the different things being discussed are.
"Fruit drink" and "soda" are both words for Earth Sugardrink. "Fruit Juice" is not a "Fruit drink." They try really hard to conflate this, but they are simply different products.
We already knew that adding juice to Earth Sugardrink didn't magically make it healthy; Mt Dew contains orange juice, Dr Pepper contains prune juice, etc.
Generally no, they already max out the civil forfeiture they can find excuses for. Just look at the cases and the fact that they already seize a lot they have to pay back later. If they had a surplus they could dip into, they wouldn't be grabbing at the iffy stuff.
You can't do it by hand "at all" because you define "it" as being automated.
I don't doubt that the tool is indispensable for you in your work flow. I've been doing photography since I was old enough to heft the camera. I started writing image processing tools in the 90s. It isn't my main work, but I do understand the tools.
And I already understood the tools and types of algorithm when I said I'd rather do it by hand; I get good results. I don't finish and say, gosh, I just wasn't able to get that select the way I wanted. And that includes when it is complex; there are other ways to do it. There are in fact ways to paint the selection, and then merge those. The feature names are different in different apps, so I'm trying to stay generic in description.
And in gimp if I need to base something on a calculation, there is a Perl interface and I can easily calculate and apply something by hand from a command line.
Also, in my experience the longer you use a tool, the more you need it because you're used to doing it that way. That's why I think FLOSS evangelism is somewhat misplaced. People will only give alternatives a serious chance if they think their existing tool is falling short. If they're happy with it, why should they change?
Yes, I'm aware of the lead-crime hypothesis. It's an interesting one, and I wouldn't at all be surprised if lead is a contributor; but I haven't seen anything like proof.
Demonstrating only that you were aware of the hypothesis, and didn't read up on the theory after the evidence was assembled.
The neighborhood-by-neighborhood air monitoring and crime rates create really detailed proof of the effect. Not seeing it is not the same as having checked it out and not found any.;)
In my community when they do that, the crime rate does decrease in that neighborhood, but the overall crime rate in the city doesn't change at those same times. So they can certainly shift a "problem corner" to a different corner by having cops "hanging out" and trying to act friendly in the neighborhood.
Compare that to poverty reductions, which instantly translate into reduced crime city-wide. If the rate of poverty went down, the crime rate went down at the same time.
Around here, putting cops out on the beat increases the abuse that minorities, the poor, and those with the wrong hairstyle receive.
One thing that helped a little bit was a citizen review panel that looks at complaints. Unfortunately, the local righties insist on keeping the police union involved, even though it isn't a contract negotiation.
You're comparing the adjusted number for one thing, to the unadjusted number for the other. You'd need to stick to the.72 and compare that to your.95 for height. Then after you adjusted, you'd find that the one adjustment explains the other number.
I suspect you'd also find out while doing that adjustment that taller people are more likely to hold more senior positions, but that they make about the same amount of money as short people when they hold the same position.
I'm not interested in your argument that oranges are really just about the same as apples.
Obviously you didn't understand my statement, if you think your extrapolation is somehow on the same subject. It isn't analogous at all. And furthermore, I expressed a mainstream opinion that is actually the law in some places; none of the major groups supporting this view would support what you said, or think it was similar. Your claim that it is similar shows that you haven't thought deeply about the subject, AND you also haven't read about differing opinions on it.
There is nothing in the hardline "do not support kidnappers" line that would be anti-police, or have confused the job of police to be some kind of "pre-crime" unit. Rather, the more obvious companion view would be to support strong police or military action against kidnappers. Exactly the opposite direction than you tried to run with your apples=oranges nonsense. Notice how much better "military action" combines with "make it illegal to pay ransoms" than what you came up with as your idea for what my views would be?
Law enforcement is supposed to be reactive. They can't be proactive without interfering with legal freedom, because it isn't a crime to not break the law; it isn't a crime to think about breaking the law; it isn't a crime to almost break the law, but then not do it. And they don't even have a pre-crime unit anyways.
Actual "proactive" law enforcement means things like, instead of harassing the hippies that want to have a march, you work with them to plan the route and get the cops ahead of them diverting traffic and offering a polite escort. It is only for small stuff, because big stuff that didn't happen there is nothing to do yet except training. But the training should be in methods of reaction to actual crime that actually happened. In the past, not in the future.
Sometimes slashdot makes me wish the world was as smart as President W Bush, then we could at least agree that the past already happened. Hopefully we could even extend that to the future having not happened yet!
In a city near mine, about 10 years ago, an old cop died. When they were cleaning his basement, they found decades of illegal files documenting surveillance of totally innocuous local groups like liberal weekly newspapers, mainstream charity groups with a liberal ideology, social advocacy groups.
It was really weird, I mean, even conservative citizens didn't understand why they would spend time investigating these groups. But the reason is obvious. Hippies. There are lots of old cops who still believe that hippies were the "death of America" and they're still trying to fight some sort of guerrilla culture war. I have no problem at all thinking that these guys get most of their life entertainment out of stalking hippies, blaming the worlds problems on them, and ticketing them for j-walking.
Everything has a reason. A lot of those reasons are lame.
And cutting their budgets? That might just mean they buy less toys they don't need, or do less lab testing of evidence. Reducing their budget does not in any way imply that you're going to improve what they spend money on, or curtail excessive interest in hippies.
There are all sorts of things that private citizens can do because it is in public, but the government is forbidden to do because it is based on speech.
Putting people in a suspect list with no connection to a crime, based entirely on their speech, that is clearly forbidden to them. Taking the picture isn't. I have no problem with the picture. I'm only talking about where they wrote down stuff about people, implying suspicion where everything they actually pointed to was protected speech, including simply that members of Food Not Bombs was seen at anti-war rallies where they also saw members of other groups such as Earth First!.
In the photo on the website, I also see a "regime change" sticker, and other stickers that could be either pure political speech, or threats. But those aren't the ones they wrote down in these files.
I didn't wave my hands and discount that the FBI might consider political speech to be suspicious; I said that the 1st Amendment says they're not supposed to.
Not surprising. I switched to an open source tracker from F-Droid a couple years ago, after they started messing with the map apps and removing features and shutting down other unrelated services. This is exactly why I switched all the google tools I was using, other than gmail. If I can't trust it to be there in a few years, I don't want to invest my time using it. Data conversion takes time, and things don't always really import perfectly.
I want tools I can still be using in 10 years. The vast majority of my software dev tools are much older, even if the latest version is recent.
Tracking apps don't actually have a lot of code in them. If they want me to switch every few years, I'd actually be able to just write my own and keep using it in about the same amount of time. And if I don't advertise it there won't even be any silly users to submit bug reports or anything; I can just use it forever with only rare maintenance when I switch to a new OS version.
Spare us your bullying attitude. They are giving away their opinions for no fucking money. Don't like it? Fuck off elsewhere and find something else to bitch about. Many people agree with them. And for your information, the price doesn't change who is entitled to have their own opinion, or state it.
This is slashdot. There are too many trolls for post editing to be easy.;)
My proposal is allowing postscripts to be added in an "edit" box below the post, but only for a few minutes. Then when you need a correction you can put s/foo/bar/ in the box, or whatever.
It would take a couple hours to write the code, so I assume it would take slashdot a couple years to get it done. They wouldn't dare risk using volunteer labor. Too much opportunity for trolling.
I'd also add a moderation: -1 Flipflop for people who want to add a postscript that flips the meaning of the post to troll people replying.
I disagree; having them in a form that is almost certain to be abandoned soon is just practicing and developing short-term tool using skills instead of long-term ones. I'd rather be selecting regions by hand, because over time I get better at it.
I don't think I've ever seen a "Food not Bombs" bumper sticker on a car with less than 5 stickers.
But I'm not ready to just wave my hands and discount the idea that the FBI considers having lots of bumper stickers to be suspicious, even if the 1st Amendment says they're not supposed to even go there.
No, you're doing an underpants gnome routine on that one. There is no logical connection between what I said, and what you just said. You simply assert that oranges would become apples... because.
LOL you don't understand the English, so you want to switch to an ad hominen that is itself an ad hominen.
"Not up for a double entendre, he attempted a double fallacia."
I doubt you even know what Soros does for a living. He's just some rich investor. Reading a few too many conspiracy sites?
Why would you think local protesters who have a well-known slogan where anybody can spontaneously write it on a sign and step outside would need to be funded by some rich European guy with no connection to their community? Oh, right, you listen to AM radio. I almost forgot.
R is very portable, though. It isn't what people use at work, but it has nothing to do with portability.
They would still need a spreadsheet, after all.
Spreadsheet formulas are programming, there is no "interpreted as a mild degree." Is it a complete language? No, it is a domain specific language.
I can list half a dozen ways to solve that problem that all have about the same portability; especially considering that most of these people are running a managed OS.
The problem is instead one of complexity. Any other solution involves multiple moving parts. You trade programming clarity for complexity. But those things are both bad for a lot of the same reasons. In the end, the ugliness of a spreadsheet formula can be handled on a whiteboard in extreme cases, to improve clarity. But the added complexity of using a general programming language (via a database or plugin or something) is going to be there ready to bite you all the time, simple formula or complex.
Also, the ugliness of the spreadsheet formula masks that it is all really simple code, with a bunch of standard math functions. Somebody who understands the spreadsheet can fairly easily learn how to do it, even if they're breaking it down into parts on a whiteboard. They don't have to be able to type out a 150 character monstrosity. And they can also just have somebody else write those rare bad ones.
Portability in spreadsheets is good, that has more to do with the linux people having a good tool than it does with any decision on the part of the users to want portability. Just look at how willing these same users were in the 90s to require Microsoft Word in the age when file formats were not very portable. Only a small percentage even accepted RTF, the leading portable format of that age.
That just means most people can't do that work. Which is true.
If you ever decide to go to college and study computer science, you'll find out that about 50% of the first year class can pass the first year classes with enough help but very few of those people will be CS majors even by the 3rd year.
It is either easy to learn it out of the book, because you can understand the concepts well, or it is really really hard even with help.
If you get a job writing software, you have to do that same intensity of learning on an ongoing basis, most of it in your own time. If you can understands the concepts easily from the book, then that is a low intensity of ongoing education that is going to be a natural part of your interests in your field. If you can barely understand things when re-explained, you have no chance of learning new skills. You will not flourish. You will not advance. In that situation, all you can do is learn how to use a framework for entry-level work, and then use that one thing to do one thing. It is just not viable.
"Most people" can't do most professional jobs that require ongoing self-education.
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Research consistently shows that processed mono-sugars are harmful in ways that fruit isn't, even where the total sugar content in the fruit is the same.
And yet, if you process the fruit to extract mono-sugars, they are just as bad as any other mono-sugar, in some cases they're in the worst group.
So it makes no sense to just measure total sugar and presume it is harmful. What appears to matter a lot more for health is added sugar and highly processed foods generally.
Just like white flour is harmful because of the mono-carbs, but whole grain isn't.
Yeah, if you care about health and ingredients you have to really learn the vocabulary of food marketing in order to understand what the different things being discussed are.
"Fruit drink" and "soda" are both words for Earth Sugardrink. "Fruit Juice" is not a "Fruit drink." They try really hard to conflate this, but they are simply different products.
We already knew that adding juice to Earth Sugardrink didn't magically make it healthy; Mt Dew contains orange juice, Dr Pepper contains prune juice, etc.
Generally no, they already max out the civil forfeiture they can find excuses for. Just look at the cases and the fact that they already seize a lot they have to pay back later. If they had a surplus they could dip into, they wouldn't be grabbing at the iffy stuff.
You can't do it by hand "at all" because you define "it" as being automated.
I don't doubt that the tool is indispensable for you in your work flow. I've been doing photography since I was old enough to heft the camera. I started writing image processing tools in the 90s. It isn't my main work, but I do understand the tools.
And I already understood the tools and types of algorithm when I said I'd rather do it by hand; I get good results. I don't finish and say, gosh, I just wasn't able to get that select the way I wanted. And that includes when it is complex; there are other ways to do it. There are in fact ways to paint the selection, and then merge those. The feature names are different in different apps, so I'm trying to stay generic in description.
And in gimp if I need to base something on a calculation, there is a Perl interface and I can easily calculate and apply something by hand from a command line.
Also, in my experience the longer you use a tool, the more you need it because you're used to doing it that way. That's why I think FLOSS evangelism is somewhat misplaced. People will only give alternatives a serious chance if they think their existing tool is falling short. If they're happy with it, why should they change?
Yes, I'm aware of the lead-crime hypothesis. It's an interesting one, and I wouldn't at all be surprised if lead is a contributor; but I haven't seen anything like proof.
Demonstrating only that you were aware of the hypothesis, and didn't read up on the theory after the evidence was assembled.
The neighborhood-by-neighborhood air monitoring and crime rates create really detailed proof of the effect. Not seeing it is not the same as having checked it out and not found any. ;)
In my community when they do that, the crime rate does decrease in that neighborhood, but the overall crime rate in the city doesn't change at those same times. So they can certainly shift a "problem corner" to a different corner by having cops "hanging out" and trying to act friendly in the neighborhood.
Compare that to poverty reductions, which instantly translate into reduced crime city-wide. If the rate of poverty went down, the crime rate went down at the same time.
Around here, putting cops out on the beat increases the abuse that minorities, the poor, and those with the wrong hairstyle receive.
One thing that helped a little bit was a citizen review panel that looks at complaints. Unfortunately, the local righties insist on keeping the police union involved, even though it isn't a contract negotiation.
You're comparing the adjusted number for one thing, to the unadjusted number for the other. You'd need to stick to the .72 and compare that to your .95 for height. Then after you adjusted, you'd find that the one adjustment explains the other number.
I suspect you'd also find out while doing that adjustment that taller people are more likely to hold more senior positions, but that they make about the same amount of money as short people when they hold the same position.
I'm not interested in your argument that oranges are really just about the same as apples.
Obviously you didn't understand my statement, if you think your extrapolation is somehow on the same subject. It isn't analogous at all. And furthermore, I expressed a mainstream opinion that is actually the law in some places; none of the major groups supporting this view would support what you said, or think it was similar. Your claim that it is similar shows that you haven't thought deeply about the subject, AND you also haven't read about differing opinions on it.
For a basic walk-through of the subject and the things that are being discussed, see: http://webcache.googleusercont...
There is nothing in the hardline "do not support kidnappers" line that would be anti-police, or have confused the job of police to be some kind of "pre-crime" unit. Rather, the more obvious companion view would be to support strong police or military action against kidnappers. Exactly the opposite direction than you tried to run with your apples=oranges nonsense. Notice how much better "military action" combines with "make it illegal to pay ransoms" than what you came up with as your idea for what my views would be?
Law enforcement is supposed to be reactive. They can't be proactive without interfering with legal freedom, because it isn't a crime to not break the law; it isn't a crime to think about breaking the law; it isn't a crime to almost break the law, but then not do it. And they don't even have a pre-crime unit anyways.
Actual "proactive" law enforcement means things like, instead of harassing the hippies that want to have a march, you work with them to plan the route and get the cops ahead of them diverting traffic and offering a polite escort. It is only for small stuff, because big stuff that didn't happen there is nothing to do yet except training. But the training should be in methods of reaction to actual crime that actually happened. In the past, not in the future.
Sometimes slashdot makes me wish the world was as smart as President W Bush, then we could at least agree that the past already happened. Hopefully we could even extend that to the future having not happened yet!
Because they have nothing better to do.
In a city near mine, about 10 years ago, an old cop died. When they were cleaning his basement, they found decades of illegal files documenting surveillance of totally innocuous local groups like liberal weekly newspapers, mainstream charity groups with a liberal ideology, social advocacy groups.
It was really weird, I mean, even conservative citizens didn't understand why they would spend time investigating these groups. But the reason is obvious. Hippies. There are lots of old cops who still believe that hippies were the "death of America" and they're still trying to fight some sort of guerrilla culture war. I have no problem at all thinking that these guys get most of their life entertainment out of stalking hippies, blaming the worlds problems on them, and ticketing them for j-walking.
Everything has a reason. A lot of those reasons are lame.
And cutting their budgets? That might just mean they buy less toys they don't need, or do less lab testing of evidence. Reducing their budget does not in any way imply that you're going to improve what they spend money on, or curtail excessive interest in hippies.
There are all sorts of things that private citizens can do because it is in public, but the government is forbidden to do because it is based on speech.
Putting people in a suspect list with no connection to a crime, based entirely on their speech, that is clearly forbidden to them. Taking the picture isn't. I have no problem with the picture. I'm only talking about where they wrote down stuff about people, implying suspicion where everything they actually pointed to was protected speech, including simply that members of Food Not Bombs was seen at anti-war rallies where they also saw members of other groups such as Earth First!.
In the photo on the website, I also see a "regime change" sticker, and other stickers that could be either pure political speech, or threats. But those aren't the ones they wrote down in these files.
I didn't wave my hands and discount that the FBI might consider political speech to be suspicious; I said that the 1st Amendment says they're not supposed to.
Gimp has a better programming interface than Photoshop (and already did in the 90s!) and there is a flourishing plugin community.
There is no reason to try to sell them plugins in the first place to need to make it free later. ;)
Normally for mobile apps, which also run locally, google pushes out updates that lock in the eventual shutdown before they announce it.
If you have an old pre-google desktop version... keep a backup. :)
Not surprising. I switched to an open source tracker from F-Droid a couple years ago, after they started messing with the map apps and removing features and shutting down other unrelated services. This is exactly why I switched all the google tools I was using, other than gmail. If I can't trust it to be there in a few years, I don't want to invest my time using it. Data conversion takes time, and things don't always really import perfectly.
I want tools I can still be using in 10 years. The vast majority of my software dev tools are much older, even if the latest version is recent.
Tracking apps don't actually have a lot of code in them. If they want me to switch every few years, I'd actually be able to just write my own and keep using it in about the same amount of time. And if I don't advertise it there won't even be any silly users to submit bug reports or anything; I can just use it forever with only rare maintenance when I switch to a new OS version.
Spare us your bullying attitude. They are giving away their opinions for no fucking money. Don't like it? Fuck off elsewhere and find something else to bitch about. Many people agree with them. And for your information, the price doesn't change who is entitled to have their own opinion, or state it.
He didn't express a "problem" with it, he offered an analysis of the meaning that uses clearer words instead of PR-speak.
Understanding should be among the first steps, and well before the formation of opinion.
This is slashdot. There are too many trolls for post editing to be easy. ;)
My proposal is allowing postscripts to be added in an "edit" box below the post, but only for a few minutes. Then when you need a correction you can put s/foo/bar/ in the box, or whatever.
It would take a couple hours to write the code, so I assume it would take slashdot a couple years to get it done. They wouldn't dare risk using volunteer labor. Too much opportunity for trolling.
I'd also add a moderation: -1 Flipflop for people who want to add a postscript that flips the meaning of the post to troll people replying.
I disagree; having them in a form that is almost certain to be abandoned soon is just practicing and developing short-term tool using skills instead of long-term ones. I'd rather be selecting regions by hand, because over time I get better at it.
I don't think I've ever seen a "Food not Bombs" bumper sticker on a car with less than 5 stickers.
But I'm not ready to just wave my hands and discount the idea that the FBI considers having lots of bumper stickers to be suspicious, even if the 1st Amendment says they're not supposed to even go there.
No, that is the NSA. The FBI is only hooked into the phone system, and email.
I just assume we're on the same list here as we're already on for having visited the Linux Journal website.
No, you're doing an underpants gnome routine on that one. There is no logical connection between what I said, and what you just said. You simply assert that oranges would become apples ... because.
LOL you don't understand the English, so you want to switch to an ad hominen that is itself an ad hominen.
"Not up for a double entendre, he attempted a double fallacia."
I doubt you even know what Soros does for a living. He's just some rich investor. Reading a few too many conspiracy sites?
Why would you think local protesters who have a well-known slogan where anybody can spontaneously write it on a sign and step outside would need to be funded by some rich European guy with no connection to their community? Oh, right, you listen to AM radio. I almost forgot.
R is very portable, though. It isn't what people use at work, but it has nothing to do with portability.
They would still need a spreadsheet, after all.
Spreadsheet formulas are programming, there is no "interpreted as a mild degree." Is it a complete language? No, it is a domain specific language.
I can list half a dozen ways to solve that problem that all have about the same portability; especially considering that most of these people are running a managed OS.
The problem is instead one of complexity. Any other solution involves multiple moving parts. You trade programming clarity for complexity. But those things are both bad for a lot of the same reasons. In the end, the ugliness of a spreadsheet formula can be handled on a whiteboard in extreme cases, to improve clarity. But the added complexity of using a general programming language (via a database or plugin or something) is going to be there ready to bite you all the time, simple formula or complex.
Also, the ugliness of the spreadsheet formula masks that it is all really simple code, with a bunch of standard math functions. Somebody who understands the spreadsheet can fairly easily learn how to do it, even if they're breaking it down into parts on a whiteboard. They don't have to be able to type out a 150 character monstrosity. And they can also just have somebody else write those rare bad ones.
Portability in spreadsheets is good, that has more to do with the linux people having a good tool than it does with any decision on the part of the users to want portability. Just look at how willing these same users were in the 90s to require Microsoft Word in the age when file formats were not very portable. Only a small percentage even accepted RTF, the leading portable format of that age.
That just means most people can't do that work. Which is true.
If you ever decide to go to college and study computer science, you'll find out that about 50% of the first year class can pass the first year classes with enough help but very few of those people will be CS majors even by the 3rd year.
It is either easy to learn it out of the book, because you can understand the concepts well, or it is really really hard even with help.
If you get a job writing software, you have to do that same intensity of learning on an ongoing basis, most of it in your own time. If you can understands the concepts easily from the book, then that is a low intensity of ongoing education that is going to be a natural part of your interests in your field. If you can barely understand things when re-explained, you have no chance of learning new skills. You will not flourish. You will not advance. In that situation, all you can do is learn how to use a framework for entry-level work, and then use that one thing to do one thing. It is just not viable.
"Most people" can't do most professional jobs that require ongoing self-education.