Do you know how many distros are out there to pick from? Many of them differ in interesting ways. Not to mention, there's Minix, BSD, Plan9, etc...
I'm old. I understand but you're missing the forest for the trees. We've more choices today then we ever had! In fact, we have so many choices now that I can just try to work with something new, all the time, and I do! More often than not, I'm not even booted into a real installed operating system - so to speak. Right now, I'm sending this to you from my hotel room, on a laptop, with Lubuntu installed, running Ubuntu in a Live USB state (I was helping someone but this is not uncommon), connected via VNC, to my home computer, using a virtual machine, with GhostBSD installed, to send you this message!
No choices??? No variety? You're out of your cotton-picking mind. No. You gave up learning and settled. We have choices.
The ones I'm familiar with weren't really all that high functioning. One, in specific, would rock back and forth and sing quietly to himself when he was around people he didn't know or like. However, you could rattle numbers off at him and he'd do the math faster than the person next to him could do it on a calculator. Another one was slightly different, again math, but he was more functional and working as a post grad in the electrical engineering section. There were more but those two stick in my mind the most. The latter would not talk to most anyone - he'd write notes and not look at you. He stayed on campus and they had someone help him to and from his room and whatnot but he was slightly more functional than the former.
Thanks! I'm certainly going to buy one at this point. I'm not too picky. I'm just tired of the Android crap - the insecurity is just vile and I don't really want to have to play with keeping yet another device in sync unless it's trivially easy and the cell co doesn't seem to want to do that. With Windows, I should be able to just update the damned thing. I really want an Ubuntu phone but that doesn't appear to be happening any time soon.
Heh... I'm buying a Windows device - on purpose, willingly, and kind of eagerly. WTF?
Judging by their post, and the replies of a few others, why yes, yes they *would* be okay with the Stasi, KGB, etc... So long as they believed it was for their own good. Remember, some of the best agents those people had were civilians, after all.
I watched a documentary (several in a row so I'm not sure which but I think it was titled Gestapo) where a lady ended up in prison for political reasons. After the fall of the Wall and the ensuing disclosures, she learned that it was her husband who had done all the spying, reporting, and testifying against her.
Yes, fucking-a-right, these people are okay with it. Gotta keep the war up with East Asia, after all. To hell with you, I've got nothing to hide! *sighs*
The 4th and 5th kind of state that a criminal can, indeed, have secrets. Well, for some definition of secret. Not sure where I'm going with this but, yeah, criminals get to have secrets too.
WTF do you think they've been doing since the dawn of the medium? They're not writing them for you to be happy. They're writing them to sell you something, even if it's just to sell you a continued subscription to a premium channel. That you like it is just incidental. If they could force it on you and have similar effects then they would.
This is not some altruistic thing where they write shows that people like. They write shows that people like to sell shit.
You should the GGP's post's example perfectly. You're intelligent therefor you don't buy what the ads tell you. Heh... You should see the manipulation that goes on WITH YOU in something as simple as a grocery store. But no, not you... You're immune. I know... I know...
That data has been massaged! You can't trust it!!!
(I modeled traffic. Any unmassaged data is probably not going to effect the real world when you're working with large data sets. In other words, the above is my bad attempt at humor.)
Umm... I don't think they're actually allowed to do any of that. That doesn't mean they're not - it just means that I think that would be a clear violation of the regulations. I'm kind of hoping that we'd have noticed them doing that.
My plow truck is an F-350 and I see a surprisingly little amount of smoke. I dunno what the difference is but it's generally only going to smoke if it's just started on a cold day or if I decide to stomp on the throttle for some reason and then I don't notice any at highway speed even if I do give it some extra fuel. I just figure they're burning at a higher temp? It's a big ol' 6.7 liter so it's not like it shouldn't be smoking - I was actually expecting more.
I do have an old 85 Quantum. That's gasoline, however. I don't expect that it is a part of this scandal. It is, however, kind of fun. I like it because of the syncro. It was rather forward thinking, in its day. I'm not sure what happened to the company. To my mind, the name has always meant 'above average quality' but I've not bothered owning one (or even testing one) in a long time. I've driven a buddy's Jetta and been fairly impressed, it handled well and had acceptable power. The trim wasn't bad, not great. The road-feel was more than acceptable. The controls were intuitive and the sound system was nice. He'd great reliability with it, while he owned it, at least. I'd guess that would have been a 2010 or so? It was a couple of years ago that I drove it.
'Tis a shame, really. I suspect they're not alone. I'm kind of watching the stock (VOW3) to see where it goes. I've faith in a recovery so I'll take advantage of that. I haven't checked since Friday.
I'm a Buddhist, not a very good Buddhist, but one regardless. I'm going to die. I'm okay with that. Someday? My atoms will be the material that makes up a star. That is my reincarnation.
It is tough to be objective if you are aware of what the test's goal. Some were entirely too subjective for me to answer, at least in regards to myself and that resulted in wishy-washy answers where, at best, I could only partially agree or disagree. *chuckles* I'm not, at all, sure what that would make me except for someone who's not too fond of tests with vague questions.
Who's to say the ants have not already figured out the origins of the universe? They just lack opposable thumbs and don't care to tell us. Mayhap they've already tried to tell us or they keep it to themselves as a collective knowledge store amongst their individual groups?
Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association, and the primacy of individual judgment.[1][2]
Libertarians generally share a skepticism of authority; however, they diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing political and economic systems. Various schools of libertarian thought offer a range of views regarding the legitimate functions of state and private power, often calling to restrict or even to wholly dissolve coercive social institutions. Rather than embodying a singular, rigid systematic theory or ideology, libertarianism has been applied as an umbrella term to a wide range of sometimes discordant political ideas through modern history.
Some libertarians advocate laissez-faire capitalism and strong private property rights,[3] such as in land, infrastructure, and natural resources. Others, notably libertarian socialists,[4] seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production in favor of their common or cooperative ownership and management.[5][6] An additional line of division is between minarchists and anarchists. While minarchists think that a minimal centralized government is necessary, anarchists propose to completely eliminate the state.[7][8]
The term libertarianism originally referred to a philosophical belief in free will but later became associated with anti-state socialism and Enlightenment-influenced[9][10] political movements critical of institutional authority believed to serve forms of social domination and injustice. While it has generally retained its earlier political usage as a synonym for either social or individualist anarchism through much of the world, in the United States it has since come to describe pro-capitalist economic liberalism more so than radical, anti-capitalist egalitarianism. In the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, libertarianism is defined as the moral view that agents initially fully own themselves and have certain moral powers to acquire property rights in external things.[11] As individualist opponents of social liberalism embraced the label and distanced themselves from the word liberal, American writers, political parties, and think tanks adopted the word libertarian to describe advocacy of capitalist free market economics and a night-watchman state.
I would fall, I suppose, somewhere between your run of the mill Libertarian and a Libertarian Socialist - leaning heavily towards the socialism side because reality trumps ideals. It is, for example, cheaper for me to feed you than it is for me to hire goons to keep you from taking my stuff. It's cheaper to keep you healthy than to deal with the plague. It's better to have you educated than to have to deal with your mistakes - and your increased worth is my greater potential. There's no much altruism there, truth be told.
This is, for the most part, what the Libertarian Party was about way back when. I've been involved for something like forty years. Thus I've actually decided that it's pretty much time for me to elaborate and nominally refer to myself as a Classic Libertarian.
The umbrella is kind of large. There's not much I can do about it but there are a lot more than just the morons that get to the microphone first. I do blame myself for having been less vocal in the past. I'm working to change that now. I do thank you for being honest, open, and wiling to listen. We needn't agree but we can have this debate.
From the second link:
Libertarianism has many overlapping schools of thought, all focused on smaller government
I came in at a 31. I tried to answer as objectively as I could but the questions bothered me - they're too concrete and the situation varies so my answers may vary. Lacking context that meant that certain answers were only slightly agreed with or disagreed with. This, while an interesting metric, I'm unsure of its validity. I am not diagnosed with autism nor any mental disorder other than addiction and have had clinical depression (diagnosed) on more than one occasion in my life.
(I don't really have to worry about insurance companies scouring the 'net for my info. I can be open about such.)
I am unsure of how to actually take the test. There are situations where I'd certainly be willing to answer the more extreme choices but it's all very subjective and kind of confusing. I'm not sure what they expect.:/ I neither identify with nor am diagnosed with Autism. I certainly do have some self-diagnosis - I am not a medical doctor. I do recall you mentioning this, specifically your son - I believe, in a previous thread or, at least, discussing it.
It probably wouldn't piss you off if you were really autistic. Maybe see a good doctor and get medication for your behavior and personality disorders instead of trying to self-diagnose as something trendy because it gives you an excuse for your piss-poor behavior. Using a fake diagnosis as an excuse for your unwillingness to uphold your end of the social contract is far worse than anything you claimed the parent-post did. It's akin to wearing a uniform and medals you did not earn.
It does make me wonder if there's some merit to the idea - not that it would be a cure but that it could curb certain behaviors. Fortunately, for the world, I'm not actually allowed to experiment on humans and I'm not actually a psychiatrist. Also, I'm pretty sure that beating a child to prohibit them from exhibiting signs of a mental disorder is frowned upon. I didn't need to spank my children. I have a "Daddy Voice." They've made it to their 20s. So far, so good.
I had the fortune of attending school with a few people we called "Idiot Savants" and, then, "Savants." There was no ASD classification, at the time, as far as I know. I'm not a psychologist but I wonder if there's some correlation betwixt the two. A matter of severity, if you will?
Indeed. Thanks! The rump server and the protocol makes it look like it might be trivially easy (comparatively speaking) to speak with devices - not just as a server. Some of the BSDs have great documentation. I don't have a NetBSD VM to spin up but I have the resources to do it. I can just connect to a machine at home and spin it up there. Strange, I know, but that's the situation.
I am definitely going to have to give that a spin. I don't have a lot of time today but I can get a VM spun up, tested, and make sure it's running well enough. I use VMWare so interacting with the USB would be easy - if I were home to actually plug a USB device in. I've got a spare laptop with me that has VMWare so maybe I'll spin it up there.
My only real foray into BSD-land has been with a small test of FreeBSD and then an extended test of GhostBSD. I've been really enjoying GhostBSD in a VM - it's been shut down once and I go hammer on it once in a while to see how stable it's going to be. I want to move it to bare metal but I really dislike Firefox and there's an exceptionally small number of choices in that regards. Sadly, it is only my love of Opera that keeps me away from putting it on bare metal on one machine and just sitting down to learn more about it over a few month period.
I know Opera devs share BSD source files internally and do some work on it. Maybe I can get them to build me one if I ask nicely? Probably not but, I guess, I can try.
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Err... If you didn't care then why'd you ask 'em where they worked? Sheesh. ;-) They tell you and you tell 'em you don't care. Silly kids these days.
Do you know how many distros are out there to pick from? Many of them differ in interesting ways. Not to mention, there's Minix, BSD, Plan9, etc...
I'm old. I understand but you're missing the forest for the trees. We've more choices today then we ever had! In fact, we have so many choices now that I can just try to work with something new, all the time, and I do! More often than not, I'm not even booted into a real installed operating system - so to speak. Right now, I'm sending this to you from my hotel room, on a laptop, with Lubuntu installed, running Ubuntu in a Live USB state (I was helping someone but this is not uncommon), connected via VNC, to my home computer, using a virtual machine, with GhostBSD installed, to send you this message!
No choices??? No variety? You're out of your cotton-picking mind. No. You gave up learning and settled. We have choices.
Hmm... Not sure if serious. ;-)
The ones I'm familiar with weren't really all that high functioning. One, in specific, would rock back and forth and sing quietly to himself when he was around people he didn't know or like. However, you could rattle numbers off at him and he'd do the math faster than the person next to him could do it on a calculator. Another one was slightly different, again math, but he was more functional and working as a post grad in the electrical engineering section. There were more but those two stick in my mind the most. The latter would not talk to most anyone - he'd write notes and not look at you. He stayed on campus and they had someone help him to and from his room and whatnot but he was slightly more functional than the former.
Thanks! I'm certainly going to buy one at this point. I'm not too picky. I'm just tired of the Android crap - the insecurity is just vile and I don't really want to have to play with keeping yet another device in sync unless it's trivially easy and the cell co doesn't seem to want to do that. With Windows, I should be able to just update the damned thing. I really want an Ubuntu phone but that doesn't appear to be happening any time soon.
Heh... I'm buying a Windows device - on purpose, willingly, and kind of eagerly. WTF?
I'm gonna go with believing Brian Cox unless you've some sort of greater expertise?
Judging by their post, and the replies of a few others, why yes, yes they *would* be okay with the Stasi, KGB, etc... So long as they believed it was for their own good. Remember, some of the best agents those people had were civilians, after all.
I watched a documentary (several in a row so I'm not sure which but I think it was titled Gestapo) where a lady ended up in prison for political reasons. After the fall of the Wall and the ensuing disclosures, she learned that it was her husband who had done all the spying, reporting, and testifying against her.
Yes, fucking-a-right, these people are okay with it. Gotta keep the war up with East Asia, after all. To hell with you, I've got nothing to hide! *sighs*
*rant mode off*
Sorry but, you know...
The 4th and 5th kind of state that a criminal can, indeed, have secrets. Well, for some definition of secret. Not sure where I'm going with this but, yeah, criminals get to have secrets too.
I wonder if he really said that. A lot of things are attributed to Yogi that he never actually said.
"I said a lot of things I didn't say." - Yogi Berra
Give them my thanks.
WTF do you think they've been doing since the dawn of the medium? They're not writing them for you to be happy. They're writing them to sell you something, even if it's just to sell you a continued subscription to a premium channel. That you like it is just incidental. If they could force it on you and have similar effects then they would.
This is not some altruistic thing where they write shows that people like. They write shows that people like to sell shit.
You should the GGP's post's example perfectly. You're intelligent therefor you don't buy what the ads tell you. Heh... You should see the manipulation that goes on WITH YOU in something as simple as a grocery store. But no, not you... You're immune. I know... I know...
That data has been massaged! You can't trust it!!!
(I modeled traffic. Any unmassaged data is probably not going to effect the real world when you're working with large data sets. In other words, the above is my bad attempt at humor.)
Umm... I don't think they're actually allowed to do any of that. That doesn't mean they're not - it just means that I think that would be a clear violation of the regulations. I'm kind of hoping that we'd have noticed them doing that.
My plow truck is an F-350 and I see a surprisingly little amount of smoke. I dunno what the difference is but it's generally only going to smoke if it's just started on a cold day or if I decide to stomp on the throttle for some reason and then I don't notice any at highway speed even if I do give it some extra fuel. I just figure they're burning at a higher temp? It's a big ol' 6.7 liter so it's not like it shouldn't be smoking - I was actually expecting more.
I do have an old 85 Quantum. That's gasoline, however. I don't expect that it is a part of this scandal. It is, however, kind of fun. I like it because of the syncro. It was rather forward thinking, in its day. I'm not sure what happened to the company. To my mind, the name has always meant 'above average quality' but I've not bothered owning one (or even testing one) in a long time. I've driven a buddy's Jetta and been fairly impressed, it handled well and had acceptable power. The trim wasn't bad, not great. The road-feel was more than acceptable. The controls were intuitive and the sound system was nice. He'd great reliability with it, while he owned it, at least. I'd guess that would have been a 2010 or so? It was a couple of years ago that I drove it.
'Tis a shame, really. I suspect they're not alone. I'm kind of watching the stock (VOW3) to see where it goes. I've faith in a recovery so I'll take advantage of that. I haven't checked since Friday.
I prefer the one from the time of the Challenger explosion.
Q: How many astronauts can you fit in a VW Bug?
A: 12. Two in the front, three in the back, and seven in the ashtray.
What's the last thing Christa McAuliffe (spelling?) said?
What's this big red button do?
I have more... I'll spare you. Those are my favorites, however. Well, favorites from that time.
I'm a Buddhist, not a very good Buddhist, but one regardless. I'm going to die. I'm okay with that. Someday? My atoms will be the material that makes up a star. That is my reincarnation.
It is tough to be objective if you are aware of what the test's goal. Some were entirely too subjective for me to answer, at least in regards to myself and that resulted in wishy-washy answers where, at best, I could only partially agree or disagree. *chuckles* I'm not, at all, sure what that would make me except for someone who's not too fond of tests with vague questions.
Who's to say the ants have not already figured out the origins of the universe? They just lack opposable thumbs and don't care to tell us. Mayhap they've already tried to tell us or they keep it to themselves as a collective knowledge store amongst their individual groups?
Or, I could just be a little high.
Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association, and the primacy of individual judgment.[1][2]
Libertarians generally share a skepticism of authority; however, they diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing political and economic systems. Various schools of libertarian thought offer a range of views regarding the legitimate functions of state and private power, often calling to restrict or even to wholly dissolve coercive social institutions. Rather than embodying a singular, rigid systematic theory or ideology, libertarianism has been applied as an umbrella term to a wide range of sometimes discordant political ideas through modern history.
Some libertarians advocate laissez-faire capitalism and strong private property rights,[3] such as in land, infrastructure, and natural resources. Others, notably libertarian socialists,[4] seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production in favor of their common or cooperative ownership and management.[5][6] An additional line of division is between minarchists and anarchists. While minarchists think that a minimal centralized government is necessary, anarchists propose to completely eliminate the state.[7][8]
The term libertarianism originally referred to a philosophical belief in free will but later became associated with anti-state socialism and Enlightenment-influenced[9][10] political movements critical of institutional authority believed to serve forms of social domination and injustice. While it has generally retained its earlier political usage as a synonym for either social or individualist anarchism through much of the world, in the United States it has since come to describe pro-capitalist economic liberalism more so than radical, anti-capitalist egalitarianism. In the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, libertarianism is defined as the moral view that agents initially fully own themselves and have certain moral powers to acquire property rights in external things.[11] As individualist opponents of social liberalism embraced the label and distanced themselves from the word liberal, American writers, political parties, and think tanks adopted the word libertarian to describe advocacy of capitalist free market economics and a night-watchman state.
That's just Wikipedia, they do a fairly good job with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I would fall, I suppose, somewhere between your run of the mill Libertarian and a Libertarian Socialist - leaning heavily towards the socialism side because reality trumps ideals. It is, for example, cheaper for me to feed you than it is for me to hire goons to keep you from taking my stuff. It's cheaper to keep you healthy than to deal with the plague. It's better to have you educated than to have to deal with your mistakes - and your increased worth is my greater potential. There's no much altruism there, truth be told.
This is, for the most part, what the Libertarian Party was about way back when. I've been involved for something like forty years. Thus I've actually decided that it's pretty much time for me to elaborate and nominally refer to myself as a Classic Libertarian.
As you can see from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The umbrella is kind of large. There's not much I can do about it but there are a lot more than just the morons that get to the microphone first. I do blame myself for having been less vocal in the past. I'm working to change that now. I do thank you for being honest, open, and wiling to listen. We needn't agree but we can have this debate.
From the second link:
Libertarianism has many overlapping schools of thought, all focused on smaller government
I came in at a 31. I tried to answer as objectively as I could but the questions bothered me - they're too concrete and the situation varies so my answers may vary. Lacking context that meant that certain answers were only slightly agreed with or disagreed with. This, while an interesting metric, I'm unsure of its validity. I am not diagnosed with autism nor any mental disorder other than addiction and have had clinical depression (diagnosed) on more than one occasion in my life.
(I don't really have to worry about insurance companies scouring the 'net for my info. I can be open about such.)
I am unsure of how to actually take the test. There are situations where I'd certainly be willing to answer the more extreme choices but it's all very subjective and kind of confusing. I'm not sure what they expect. :/ I neither identify with nor am diagnosed with Autism. I certainly do have some self-diagnosis - I am not a medical doctor. I do recall you mentioning this, specifically your son - I believe, in a previous thread or, at least, discussing it.
It probably wouldn't piss you off if you were really autistic. Maybe see a good doctor and get medication for your behavior and personality disorders instead of trying to self-diagnose as something trendy because it gives you an excuse for your piss-poor behavior. Using a fake diagnosis as an excuse for your unwillingness to uphold your end of the social contract is far worse than anything you claimed the parent-post did. It's akin to wearing a uniform and medals you did not earn.
It does make me wonder if there's some merit to the idea - not that it would be a cure but that it could curb certain behaviors. Fortunately, for the world, I'm not actually allowed to experiment on humans and I'm not actually a psychiatrist. Also, I'm pretty sure that beating a child to prohibit them from exhibiting signs of a mental disorder is frowned upon. I didn't need to spank my children. I have a "Daddy Voice." They've made it to their 20s. So far, so good.
I had the fortune of attending school with a few people we called "Idiot Savants" and, then, "Savants." There was no ASD classification, at the time, as far as I know. I'm not a psychologist but I wonder if there's some correlation betwixt the two. A matter of severity, if you will?
Indeed. Thanks! The rump server and the protocol makes it look like it might be trivially easy (comparatively speaking) to speak with devices - not just as a server. Some of the BSDs have great documentation. I don't have a NetBSD VM to spin up but I have the resources to do it. I can just connect to a machine at home and spin it up there. Strange, I know, but that's the situation.
I am definitely going to have to give that a spin. I don't have a lot of time today but I can get a VM spun up, tested, and make sure it's running well enough. I use VMWare so interacting with the USB would be easy - if I were home to actually plug a USB device in. I've got a spare laptop with me that has VMWare so maybe I'll spin it up there.
My only real foray into BSD-land has been with a small test of FreeBSD and then an extended test of GhostBSD. I've been really enjoying GhostBSD in a VM - it's been shut down once and I go hammer on it once in a while to see how stable it's going to be. I want to move it to bare metal but I really dislike Firefox and there's an exceptionally small number of choices in that regards. Sadly, it is only my love of Opera that keeps me away from putting it on bare metal on one machine and just sitting down to learn more about it over a few month period.
I know Opera devs share BSD source files internally and do some work on it. Maybe I can get them to build me one if I ask nicely? Probably not but, I guess, I can try.