Keep in mind that it is not beyond doubt but beyond all reasonable doubt. The prosecutor need indeed only say the defendant did it. If there is enough evidence that the judge (or jury) believes his side over the other guy's side. In fact, that is what they do! They call it argument, they call it evidence (not proof, evidence), and do not find people innocent - they find them not guilty or not culpable depending on the charges being levied. The movies and the crazy bastards online need to spend more time talking to a lawyer. Seriously, they are jerks and it is their job to be. I can see why. Look at the justice system? It is full of psychopaths. However, rights and obligations are important to know. They are your duty, really. In civil court the burden of proof is not even that high. It is the preponderance of evidence I believe. It means you only have to be reasonably certain that the defendant likely committed the evidence which means that the government must prove that you are more likely to have committed the offense. Hell, go down and sit in at your district court for a day. You can usually do that, it is legal and your right. Your job kind of is to go. It is you who should watch the justice system and not the other way around.
The victim had arms, two of them! You can not expect the officers to risk their own safety and the safety of other citizens by letting an armed man run amok in their territory!
I know. I am allergic to bees and some I am more allergic to than others so it is imperative that I try to identify all stingers. For instance, they bring bees up to flower the blueberry fields. I go up and hang out and chill with them. I will even sit on the bee boxes, open them up, and poke around. I do not get stung. If I do get stung I am going to swell up a bit but I will be fine. A bumblebee, the round fuzzy one, will not sting you unless you really piss it off. It has a barbed stinger and when it pulls away it rips off its bum bum and dies not long after. Yellow jackets require a shot. I have a half hour or so before I should take it. I can go an hour and not be dead but things are pretty tight. Some wasps are worse. There is one type here that is called a "white ass(ed) hornet." I do not know his real name. I have yet to be stung. An allergist has informed me that that one may kill me if I do not get my shot in 15 minutes or less. I never carry a shot kit with me on purpose but I do leave some in cars and whatnot. I just never know and am not too terribly worried about it. I figure if I get swarmed by a bunch of white assed hornets I will just have myself a seat and contemplate the meaning of life for a while.
That is cool. Everybody hates almonds. They should cost 800 dollars each. They are the cause of the drought in California. They take 657 gallons of water to grow each individual nut.
I learned it from YOU SlashDot! I learned it from YOU!
(I did too. You people were pretty irate. I have no opinion. I do not even like almonds except for nommy almond butter. Mmmm... Food.)
Nope, still nothing to contribute. I am not even sure why this is on/. honestly. I will write a batch script to install bees on the company's workstations? I do not think it will help and I think it will really piss of Help Desk drones.
So, I smoked some pot. I do not smoke often. I get tired, hungry, and stupid. So, not much changes. It is a waste. I do have some very good pot though.
Anyhow, I wrote/. a children's song. I am working it out in Bm now. The lyrics are perfect and I shall not change them!
Ba-Bzz went the little yellow bum-ble bee! Ba-Bzz went the little yellow bee! Ba-Bzz went the little yellow bum-ble bee! Please Mr. Bumble Be - don't sting me.
Then you sing it again with Mrs. Bumble Bee and then with Baby Bumble Bee.
I am actually under the impression that the "links" are just mouse-over effects and do not actually go anywhere in 80% of the articles. I check maybe 0.01% to look for images but I refuse to be a heretic and I never read the article. In fact, suggesting that I read it is an affront to my sensibilities and my culture. Do not oppress me!
We are still driving on Native American roads. Though I would suspect we would call them trails. We have also upgraded most of them. I spend a bit of time off-road so I *might* have driven across one but I have no idea. Dunno what the history books taught you as a kid, not a slight or anything, but there were a metric fuckton of natives here at one point. They had large communities and a system of trails that connected them. We still use their old communities and still drive on their trails. I have been across the trail of tears but I do not think that counts. I stopped at a museum and was informed that the actual highways are not at all really associated with the trek.
I am Micmac (a pretty rare tribe from Northern Maine and Canada) and we got along fairly well with the imports. I am not sure but somehow I was drawn back to the area but we also had a hunting cabin here and I came up here for prep school. That may have been it or it may have been something else. Either way I have a strange attraction for the land and have purchased a lot of it - it is cheap here but do not come buy any. The economy is horrific.
What part of abandoned makes you think it is free? Abandoned just means unoccupied in this case. It is not like someone dropped it somewhere and forgot about it or someone put a piece of property on the curb with a 'free' sign.
I agree with you in principle but we will have to change society to change the law. This is the law and a willingness to break it is not a good thing necessarily. However, this kid is going to do community service at most. He is more likely to just get a chance to go a year without committing any additional new criminal conduct and plead out to a simple misdemeanor or have it wiped entirely. That is, unless he has a prior history - even juvenile history can be unsealed and applied for sentencing considerations. However, it is likely that he just gets scared a bit unless the owner is an ass. The owner(s) will be consulted as there is potential restitution involved. They will also be able to suggest (stop in some cases) that the DA not prosecute and give the kid retroactive legal access at the time the offense occurred.
The news here is that the kid's residence was investigated by the bomb squad. There is some chance that he will be tried civilly for restitution but that is unlikely unless he, the kid, is an asshole about it. If he is smart and does the right things between now and court (if he goes to court even) there will be no further legal action against him in all likelihood. The cops did not go in with SWAT or break anything down for entry, nobody got hurt, the kid was probably only given a summons. (I obviously did not read the article so I am going entirely off the summary which, I suspect, would mention SWAT.) There will not even be a follow-up to this in the paper unless it is a small town.
Strangely enough this is where levelheadedness seems to prevail. Even in today's society it is unlikely that he will get into any major trouble (if any really) and he will be fine.
You really should not be a lawyer if my understanding is correct.
Breaking and entering is NOT about a physical act of destruction. It is about breaking the plane. In other words, you break the plane when you enter the building. Do you know what a pole barn is? It has no walls but has a roof perched atop poles. If you go under that roof and beyond those poles you are guilty of breaking and entering. You broke the plane. This is why it is still breaking and entering if you go in through an unlocked door. This should not be confused with the crime of burglary which is a whole other offense but is very related.
This kid is guilty of a rather highly rated crime. It is a Class B offense in most areas and subject to up to 20 years. He will not, of course, get that as a sentence. He will likely get nothing on his record that is felonious unless he has a criminal record already or even a history of juvenile crimes - those count in some areas. The penalty is much higher if there are people in the residence - I think it is classed as a different crime in many areas now with the rise of house invasion robberies. Robberies are also not burglaries. Robberies can be part of a burglary I understand.
I did not know this... Whilst I was in school the law department had a court set up to train students. Students were paid, at times, to fill in as anything from spectators to jury members. Being poor and put on a higher/priority status as a GI Bill recipient with a wife and a dependent meant that I was a part of this quite frequently for the first four years of my collegiate experience. So, I am not an expert and I did not play one on TV nor did I stay at a hotel last night.
I am not a lawyer, I am not your lawyer, this is not legal advice, and you should consult a lawyer before committing crimes (or after). This does not insinuate a lawyer/attorney relationship.;-)
I found the guy who has never been to a bluegrass festival or out in the hills with the 'shine boys.
Wait... You said safe. Do you mean safe or do you mean socially acceptable? 'Cause the term "socially acceptable" is situational and, chances are, if there is a banjo involved it is not really a very safe environment.
As kids it was actually pretty common for us to smash open thermometers and play with the mercury inside. We never once cleaned all of it up, wore PPE, and certainly did not wash our hands. Then again, we are all as crazy as a mad hatter these days but I suspect that is for different reasons.
I also used to spend an inordinate amount of time in the chemistry department. I learned a lot from the organic chem guys. They also were able to do some very cool things with chemicals. Long before we would do it as a culture we used to sneak into the labs at night for equipment to extract THC oil. Then there were all sorts of ways to ingest it in a variety of cumulative strengths. I almost changed my major... I am glad that I did not. Life would have been very different.
I recalled a bit to-do over a CFL some time back. I did not bother to look for the article as I was not sure how accurate it was or anything and it was not important. I did find the cleanup instructions from the EPA. As the story went, if I am recalling properly, it was in a school and resulted in the kids being sent home and then some testing being done by a local emergency HazMat team. Here are the EPA's suggestions:
To be fair this was not SWAT, this was the bomb squad. I was not a member of the MPs but I do know some MPs which does not make me an expert. So, that being said, as near as I know the two are VERY different things. I knew some folks in the demolitions area and, let us just say, they are not nearly as gung-ho as those in reactionary forces. As militarized as the police are now I can only assume that they are similar. There are very few idiots on bomb squads. Those guys need to pass every single test, and recertification, with a score of 100% and ZERO false positives. SWAT can, sometimes, take another shot or hit the door twice. That is not the case with the demo folks.
Anyhow, this blind trust the neighbor placed in the police? No buddy... Those are the *last* folks you should just trust the judgment of. In fact, you should question them at every opportunity.
I am retired so, yeah, I pretty much sleep when I want to sleep. I probably get four hours out of every day on a good day. The thing is, I really do not get tired until after that day is over. Even then when I do get tired and go to bed I end up sitting there, thinking, trying to ignore everything. I meditate sometimes, that helps at times but not always. Sometimes just a short spell of meditation makes me feel refreshed and then I can not sleep again for another 20 - 30 hours.
I did a 3 day sleep study at a specialist's facility out on the other coast. They prescribed me a bunch of sleeping pills. Those just make me more tired and I do not sleep. Then when I do sleep they make me go down for a little longer and I wake up as groggy as a bear coming out of hibernation. I guess I also have sleep apnea and even the sleep I do get is of low quality as I do not get to enter the REM stage very often or remain there long. I go as long as a couple of minutes without breathing and then breath again. A CPAP did not help me sleep - too damned noticeable and uncomfortable.
So I do not take any medicine for it. I used to drink and I did a lot of opiates (I do neither any more) and those put me out. I ended up horribly addicted and needed rehabilitation and am still on Suboxone today but that does not make me sleep. (I had a huge tolerance.) I did opiates for years but was a functioning addict for most of forty five years. It started at 13, I got cluster headaches and they gave me codeine. I have used daily until just recently and that includes Fentanyl extraction for IV use. I functioned fine until I retired then I went out and had a hell of a good time. I was already drinking by that age. Ah well. I had a hell of a lot of fun and what else is life for? Not many can honestly say their life is complete and they are content. I am lucky.
Anyhow, so no... I do not sleep. I can usually tell when my body is going to want to sleep and I will drink a couple of chamomile teas in the hours leading up to it. Then I just crash when I crash. I am not scheduled to do a whole lot so it is not as if it effects me much any more.
I would pay good money to be jacked into the internet. I have said this before and I will say it again. Where is the waiver and who do I pay? They can even stick a wireless nub antenna on the top of my head and an RJ-45 can be fed into my neck.
It is disturbing when people put a price on extinction. It just seems mistaken ideologically. An amusing result of extinction prevention is California spent a fortune saving the Californian Condor (and ugly-ass bird) and, in return, I guess the Condors have mostly moved out and live in the Grand Canyon area now. I laughed. At least the ugly bird is still alive. Yes, I am in favor of saving the ugly species too. Screw that giant panda though. They need to take some initiative too. Stupid pandas!
I think they are talking about the results of that group. They sent off the white rhinos into other areas and established a breeding program (as far as I recall). Some of that was done in private parks which operated for profit. I think that may be where they are getting this "information."
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Keep in mind that it is not beyond doubt but beyond all reasonable doubt. The prosecutor need indeed only say the defendant did it. If there is enough evidence that the judge (or jury) believes his side over the other guy's side. In fact, that is what they do! They call it argument, they call it evidence (not proof, evidence), and do not find people innocent - they find them not guilty or not culpable depending on the charges being levied. The movies and the crazy bastards online need to spend more time talking to a lawyer. Seriously, they are jerks and it is their job to be. I can see why. Look at the justice system? It is full of psychopaths. However, rights and obligations are important to know. They are your duty, really. In civil court the burden of proof is not even that high. It is the preponderance of evidence I believe. It means you only have to be reasonably certain that the defendant likely committed the evidence which means that the government must prove that you are more likely to have committed the offense. Hell, go down and sit in at your district court for a day. You can usually do that, it is legal and your right. Your job kind of is to go. It is you who should watch the justice system and not the other way around.
The victim had arms, two of them! You can not expect the officers to risk their own safety and the safety of other citizens by letting an armed man run amok in their territory!
If it fades 50% per year it never goes away. I can almost agree with that. We should bring back the scarlet A too.
Heh... Imagine how fucked we are if the Abrahamic God is real.
You know? I have never been stupid enough to try that. Should I use a choke?
I know. I am allergic to bees and some I am more allergic to than others so it is imperative that I try to identify all stingers. For instance, they bring bees up to flower the blueberry fields. I go up and hang out and chill with them. I will even sit on the bee boxes, open them up, and poke around. I do not get stung. If I do get stung I am going to swell up a bit but I will be fine. A bumblebee, the round fuzzy one, will not sting you unless you really piss it off. It has a barbed stinger and when it pulls away it rips off its bum bum and dies not long after. Yellow jackets require a shot. I have a half hour or so before I should take it. I can go an hour and not be dead but things are pretty tight. Some wasps are worse. There is one type here that is called a "white ass(ed) hornet." I do not know his real name. I have yet to be stung. An allergist has informed me that that one may kill me if I do not get my shot in 15 minutes or less. I never carry a shot kit with me on purpose but I do leave some in cars and whatnot. I just never know and am not too terribly worried about it. I figure if I get swarmed by a bunch of white assed hornets I will just have myself a seat and contemplate the meaning of life for a while.
I am black, mixed racially really, and I thought it was damned funny.
That is cool. Everybody hates almonds. They should cost 800 dollars each. They are the cause of the drought in California. They take 657 gallons of water to grow each individual nut.
I learned it from YOU SlashDot! I learned it from YOU!
(I did too. You people were pretty irate. I have no opinion. I do not even like almonds except for nommy almond butter. Mmmm... Food.)
This does not seem very trolly mods...
Don't make me sing again...
Nope, still nothing to contribute. I am not even sure why this is on /. honestly. I will write a batch script to install bees on the company's workstations? I do not think it will help and I think it will really piss of Help Desk drones.
So, I smoked some pot. I do not smoke often. I get tired, hungry, and stupid. So, not much changes. It is a waste. I do have some very good pot though.
Anyhow, I wrote /. a children's song. I am working it out in Bm now. The lyrics are perfect and I shall not change them!
Ba-Bzz went the little yellow bum-ble bee!
Ba-Bzz went the little yellow bee!
Ba-Bzz went the little yellow bum-ble bee!
Please Mr. Bumble Be - don't sting me.
Then you sing it again with Mrs. Bumble Bee and then with Baby Bumble Bee.
-© Do What You Fucking Want - no attribution required.
See? And you guys think I don't contribute.
So, no... I have nothing to add here.
I am actually under the impression that the "links" are just mouse-over effects and do not actually go anywhere in 80% of the articles. I check maybe 0.01% to look for images but I refuse to be a heretic and I never read the article. In fact, suggesting that I read it is an affront to my sensibilities and my culture. Do not oppress me!
You no math so good.
We are still driving on Native American roads. Though I would suspect we would call them trails. We have also upgraded most of them. I spend a bit of time off-road so I *might* have driven across one but I have no idea. Dunno what the history books taught you as a kid, not a slight or anything, but there were a metric fuckton of natives here at one point. They had large communities and a system of trails that connected them. We still use their old communities and still drive on their trails. I have been across the trail of tears but I do not think that counts. I stopped at a museum and was informed that the actual highways are not at all really associated with the trek.
I am Micmac (a pretty rare tribe from Northern Maine and Canada) and we got along fairly well with the imports. I am not sure but somehow I was drawn back to the area but we also had a hunting cabin here and I came up here for prep school. That may have been it or it may have been something else. Either way I have a strange attraction for the land and have purchased a lot of it - it is cheap here but do not come buy any. The economy is horrific.
I suspect that, if you look carefully, you will find that there was indeed a mistake. It may not be where you are expecting.
What part of abandoned makes you think it is free? Abandoned just means unoccupied in this case. It is not like someone dropped it somewhere and forgot about it or someone put a piece of property on the curb with a 'free' sign.
I agree with you in principle but we will have to change society to change the law. This is the law and a willingness to break it is not a good thing necessarily. However, this kid is going to do community service at most. He is more likely to just get a chance to go a year without committing any additional new criminal conduct and plead out to a simple misdemeanor or have it wiped entirely. That is, unless he has a prior history - even juvenile history can be unsealed and applied for sentencing considerations. However, it is likely that he just gets scared a bit unless the owner is an ass. The owner(s) will be consulted as there is potential restitution involved. They will also be able to suggest (stop in some cases) that the DA not prosecute and give the kid retroactive legal access at the time the offense occurred.
The news here is that the kid's residence was investigated by the bomb squad. There is some chance that he will be tried civilly for restitution but that is unlikely unless he, the kid, is an asshole about it. If he is smart and does the right things between now and court (if he goes to court even) there will be no further legal action against him in all likelihood. The cops did not go in with SWAT or break anything down for entry, nobody got hurt, the kid was probably only given a summons. (I obviously did not read the article so I am going entirely off the summary which, I suspect, would mention SWAT.) There will not even be a follow-up to this in the paper unless it is a small town.
Strangely enough this is where levelheadedness seems to prevail. Even in today's society it is unlikely that he will get into any major trouble (if any really) and he will be fine.
You really should not be a lawyer if my understanding is correct.
Breaking and entering is NOT about a physical act of destruction. It is about breaking the plane. In other words, you break the plane when you enter the building. Do you know what a pole barn is? It has no walls but has a roof perched atop poles. If you go under that roof and beyond those poles you are guilty of breaking and entering. You broke the plane. This is why it is still breaking and entering if you go in through an unlocked door. This should not be confused with the crime of burglary which is a whole other offense but is very related.
This kid is guilty of a rather highly rated crime. It is a Class B offense in most areas and subject to up to 20 years. He will not, of course, get that as a sentence. He will likely get nothing on his record that is felonious unless he has a criminal record already or even a history of juvenile crimes - those count in some areas. The penalty is much higher if there are people in the residence - I think it is classed as a different crime in many areas now with the rise of house invasion robberies. Robberies are also not burglaries. Robberies can be part of a burglary I understand.
I did not know this... Whilst I was in school the law department had a court set up to train students. Students were paid, at times, to fill in as anything from spectators to jury members. Being poor and put on a higher/priority status as a GI Bill recipient with a wife and a dependent meant that I was a part of this quite frequently for the first four years of my collegiate experience. So, I am not an expert and I did not play one on TV nor did I stay at a hotel last night.
I am not a lawyer, I am not your lawyer, this is not legal advice, and you should consult a lawyer before committing crimes (or after). This does not insinuate a lawyer/attorney relationship. ;-)
I found the guy who has never been to a bluegrass festival or out in the hills with the 'shine boys.
Wait... You said safe. Do you mean safe or do you mean socially acceptable? 'Cause the term "socially acceptable" is situational and, chances are, if there is a banjo involved it is not really a very safe environment.
As kids it was actually pretty common for us to smash open thermometers and play with the mercury inside. We never once cleaned all of it up, wore PPE, and certainly did not wash our hands. Then again, we are all as crazy as a mad hatter these days but I suspect that is for different reasons.
I also used to spend an inordinate amount of time in the chemistry department. I learned a lot from the organic chem guys. They also were able to do some very cool things with chemicals. Long before we would do it as a culture we used to sneak into the labs at night for equipment to extract THC oil. Then there were all sorts of ways to ingest it in a variety of cumulative strengths. I almost changed my major... I am glad that I did not. Life would have been very different.
I recalled a bit to-do over a CFL some time back. I did not bother to look for the article as I was not sure how accurate it was or anything and it was not important. I did find the cleanup instructions from the EPA. As the story went, if I am recalling properly, it was in a school and resulted in the kids being sent home and then some testing being done by a local emergency HazMat team. Here are the EPA's suggestions:
http://www2.epa.gov/cfl/cleani...
I could see a school being pedantic about it. I have never broken one. They seem pretty damned tough.
To be fair this was not SWAT, this was the bomb squad. I was not a member of the MPs but I do know some MPs which does not make me an expert. So, that being said, as near as I know the two are VERY different things. I knew some folks in the demolitions area and, let us just say, they are not nearly as gung-ho as those in reactionary forces. As militarized as the police are now I can only assume that they are similar. There are very few idiots on bomb squads. Those guys need to pass every single test, and recertification, with a score of 100% and ZERO false positives. SWAT can, sometimes, take another shot or hit the door twice. That is not the case with the demo folks.
Anyhow, this blind trust the neighbor placed in the police? No buddy... Those are the *last* folks you should just trust the judgment of. In fact, you should question them at every opportunity.
I am retired so, yeah, I pretty much sleep when I want to sleep. I probably get four hours out of every day on a good day. The thing is, I really do not get tired until after that day is over. Even then when I do get tired and go to bed I end up sitting there, thinking, trying to ignore everything. I meditate sometimes, that helps at times but not always. Sometimes just a short spell of meditation makes me feel refreshed and then I can not sleep again for another 20 - 30 hours.
I did a 3 day sleep study at a specialist's facility out on the other coast. They prescribed me a bunch of sleeping pills. Those just make me more tired and I do not sleep. Then when I do sleep they make me go down for a little longer and I wake up as groggy as a bear coming out of hibernation. I guess I also have sleep apnea and even the sleep I do get is of low quality as I do not get to enter the REM stage very often or remain there long. I go as long as a couple of minutes without breathing and then breath again. A CPAP did not help me sleep - too damned noticeable and uncomfortable.
So I do not take any medicine for it. I used to drink and I did a lot of opiates (I do neither any more) and those put me out. I ended up horribly addicted and needed rehabilitation and am still on Suboxone today but that does not make me sleep. (I had a huge tolerance.) I did opiates for years but was a functioning addict for most of forty five years. It started at 13, I got cluster headaches and they gave me codeine. I have used daily until just recently and that includes Fentanyl extraction for IV use. I functioned fine until I retired then I went out and had a hell of a good time. I was already drinking by that age. Ah well. I had a hell of a lot of fun and what else is life for? Not many can honestly say their life is complete and they are content. I am lucky.
Anyhow, so no... I do not sleep. I can usually tell when my body is going to want to sleep and I will drink a couple of chamomile teas in the hours leading up to it. Then I just crash when I crash. I am not scheduled to do a whole lot so it is not as if it effects me much any more.
Responding to alleviate fear is a logical response.
I would pay good money to be jacked into the internet. I have said this before and I will say it again. Where is the waiver and who do I pay? They can even stick a wireless nub antenna on the top of my head and an RJ-45 can be fed into my neck.
It is disturbing when people put a price on extinction. It just seems mistaken ideologically. An amusing result of extinction prevention is California spent a fortune saving the Californian Condor (and ugly-ass bird) and, in return, I guess the Condors have mostly moved out and live in the Grand Canyon area now. I laughed. At least the ugly bird is still alive. Yes, I am in favor of saving the ugly species too. Screw that giant panda though. They need to take some initiative too. Stupid pandas!
I think they are talking about the results of that group. They sent off the white rhinos into other areas and established a breeding program (as far as I recall). Some of that was done in private parks which operated for profit. I think that may be where they are getting this "information."