Gravity is a pretty big deal. Look at the health effects of long term ISS stays.
Helium 3 - might be priceless! Might be worthless! We don't know how that will work out yet.
What else? Water, oxygen, metals, even rock to make cement. Not exactly stuff that is hard to come by on Earth but a whole lot harder to get into space from Earth than it is from the moon. Your floating satellites could be made of lunar materials.
Riding down from a satellite to the lunar surface? Nope, not a viable tourism idea. Satellites are stable when they orbit Earth. They are NOT stable in orbit of the moon. the moon's gravity is too 'lumpy'. It would take too much fuel to keep a 'hotel' in orbit of the moon permanently. Ever wonder why the moon has no natural satellites of it's own? It's not because the Earth would steal them. If that were true than the return home for the Apollo asronauts would have been free!
The best thing to do with money is to keep it moving. Starting a new industry in an unpopulated place will generate jobs. Giving billions of people handouts will just make the money disappear and at the end of the day all of the same people are hungry.
Why? Do you really think what you see is going to change? Do you have any concept of scale? How about if I paint a single grain of sand at an otherwise pristine beach that you are looking at from a couple of miles away?
Of course, if we someday have several whole large lunar cities that might be visible. Even then I doubt we would see much except for the lights in the dark parts. That might look kind of neat actually. Instead of phases where parts of the moon look 'natural' or aren't visible at all we would have phases of still natural looking part vs city lights part.
I've put a lot of time, effort and money into repairing, upgrading and maintaining my rental property. What gives someone else the right to enjoy the fruits of my labor for free? There is a reason that it is cheaper (over time) to buy a home than to rent one. You are paying for a lot more than just the right to 'be there'.
The surface of the moon has all the radiation, lack of air and extreme temperature issues as space. But...
It has a lot more gravity. We know that life in zero g is very bad for the human body. What would the moon's gravity do over time though? We don't know. It's less than Earth's so maybe it's still bad. We haven't ever exposed people to it over long enough duration to find out. Maybe 16% of Earth's gravity gets you 84% of the problems that develop in 0 gravity but then, maybe it's less linear than that. Maybe over a certain amount you are fine? Let's find out.
That's just the surface. Make an underground shelter and the radiation problem goes away.
Then there is the fact that the moon is essentially a great big ball of resources which require a lot of energy however nowhere near as much as from Earth to get into space. Resources mined from the moon could be used for building your orbital hotels, or for other spacecraft that could then be sent to explore and/or settle the solar system.
The problem is that people are buying up the domain names of old websites which no longer exist just to publish a robots.txt file. Then archive.org automatically deletes, or at least blocks access to the entire history of everything that ever happened at that domain including the past website which the new owner has nothing to do with.
I suppose they are just trying to honor site owner's wishes even when they may have initially forgotten about robots.txt and added it later. The robot doesn't know that the old content belonged to someone else who DID NOT wish to block it. Maybe a good solution is that when they notice a new robots.txt everything for the last 'X' months get deleted. (go ahead and debate values of X) Data from prior to that should be left alone. Even if it was posted by the same site owner who is posting the robots.txt today. Tough cookies! If you want to control how your data is used I don't see a problem with requiring you actually take the time to learn about things like robots.txt before you publish. It's really no different than releasing source code under the GPL and then later turning it into a closed source product. All your new work belongs to you but you don't get to force everyone to delete ever copy they might have of the old code and you can't stop them from forking it.
-- I would totally consider an 'X value' of zero as being on the table btw
My high school had a 1 million dollar computer lab gifted to it. That was quite a bit in 1990s money considering that I had a graduating class of under 40! The problem was that the only teacher who knew anything about computers was the band teacher. He was good, don't get me wrong but his musical love/responsiblities came first and he didn't really have time to teach computer class. After he struggled to fit in a programming class for 1 semester he realized he couldn't do it. After that about the most advanced thing in the room was Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing!
Maybe school teachers are more techically proficient today? I doubt it! Even if they are.. with all the finiky settings that go into getting a 3d printer to work right, and all the failure prone parts that go into one... I don't see how this can possibly work!
Many climate change deniers point to the fact that some scientists considered global cooling as a posibility as a reason not to trust the scientific community as it warns of global warming today. The point is that such a comparison is invalid because the scientific community never really was convinced of global cooling in that way. It isn't about what is true/not true there, it is about verifying credibility as an indicator of what might be true or not true.
I don't think that is a very good reason to chose an iOS device. Maybe Apple is better about privacy than Google. Or.. maybe they are just better at lying about it. I don't know but here is the more important difference to me... Google gives me a choice. I can remove all the Google services from my Android phone any time I want to. Yes, that includes the Play store. You don't have to use Google's 'marketplace' to install apps on an Android device. I can then chose from a number of alternatives that have nothing to do with Google. I can even roll my own solutions if I am truly paranoid. Unless you jailbreak Apple devices allow none of that. (My iPad is still on iOS 5 because I am awaiting an iOS 7 jailbreak grr!!!)
Really this isn't just about privacy. Apple is way too restrictive. I just got a lapdock for my Android phone. I plug my phone in and it basically works like a laptop. It's awesome! It even has a trackpad and better yet, it even allows me to plug in a mouse. It has USB ports!! I use it to do web development. That includes graphic editing that there is no way I would attempt without a real mouse.
Apple wants to TELL US what we need, and that a mouse is not it. iOS will never support a mouse.
I am also using it to do 'Arduino' development. It actually recognized my usb to ttl adapter so I can do the programming through it! I'm hoping to add the other common hobbyist micros, PIC, Propeller and MSP430 soon. I just need to figure out how to cross-compile the toolchains.
Yeah, I know, that's quite a geeky niche. It's about as far from the common hipster that both Apple and Google target as could be. And yet, Google products are flexible enough to accomidate my wishes. I thought I was going to have to buy a laptop or a netbook soon. Now it looks like my phone might be all I need. Thank you Google!
My needs are probably nothing like yours but aren't we all different in one way or another? I bet most of us have things a less locked-down device could do, we just might not all realize it because we don't all imagine that way. I don't want anyone to be forced into Apple's little person-mold. Apple can suck it!
Oh, one other thing, about your privacy... You have none! By necesity cell towers are limited in range. If there weren't we wouldn't be able to fit all of today's cellular traffic in the range of available radio frequencies. There isn't enough room, nature itself doesn't allow for it. So... the cellphone company has to have at least a rough idea of where you are to route calls to the correct tower to reach you. Also... all your data routes through them. Connect to the internet any other way... all your data is still routing through somebody. And you do NOT have any control over what happens from there. You can bet your life that whoever that is, they do record information and they do share with the NSA and marketing corps as well. There is too much money in it for then not to! It doesn't matter who wrote the OS on your phone! So... you want privacy? Turn off. It's is THE ONLY WAY!
Can / does the NSA force companies to keep information? Could deleting the information in some sort of twisted police state logic be construed as destroying evidence or something similar to that? If this kind of thing happens then no doubt there are gag orders so we don't ever hear about it.
I really doubt that. That's if you are convicted of a felony. If they just hold you a while and let you go then nobody cares. If they actually make you go to court... is it a felony they are charging you with? Anyone care to comment?
What does any of that have to do with the kernel? I don't think that people comparing desktop operating systems for their next PC are looking at anything in the kernel.
For the most part the third parties here haven't had enough power or money to become corrupt yet. However.... what most of them actually are instead is insane. Bat shit insane. I want to vote for a third party but there is rarely a third party I would want to vote for! Most are either ultra-right religious types that want to end the separation between church and state or ultra-liberals who have a few good ideas plus a whole lot of bad ones.
We couldn't have evolved without snakes and billions of other details of our history being exactly what it was. It's exactly like the arguments that creationists use when they say that so many specific things had to be just so therefore it cannot be chance. Except... it fails to recognize that if something specific didn't happen in the past then something else would have been happening instead. Without snakes or with any other significant changes to our past some other species would have evolved. Perhaps they would then be looking into their own past.. wow... if X was different we wouldn't be here...
What the article really tells us is that snakes were an important part of our ancestor's lives as our species evolved. Once you know that it goes without saying that we would be a different species without them.
One guy brings out the Hitler card. Another counters with his racist card. I blame Pokemon. Obviously that is where the kidies are learning their communication skills these days.
More likely it will just get forgotten and ignored. You can't keep the people interested in what their government is doing unless it has a direct and obvious effect on their bank accounts. Even then.. it can be difficult.
0? I wish I could mod this back up. Agree or disagree it doesn't look off-topic or trolish to me in any way! I couldn't not comment on this article though.
"If you're guilty, on the other hand, you may want to walk free, but it's usually in your society's interest for you to be convicted."
Is it? Why?
Prisons are over-crowded, every person in there is an expense to society and in no position to do anything useful for society even if they want to. This is true for any kind of offense, not just ones which we might not all agree should be ilegal. Locking a person up can't bring a murder victim back to life. It doesn't help an asault victim heal faster. It doesn't heal emotional wounds. Maybe.. if they are caught soon enough some of a thief's loot might be recovered and eventually restored to the victims. I wonder how often that happens where the amount recovered is greater than the cost of feeding and housing the criminal over time? The only thing that actually is in society's interest is preventing a crime from being comitted in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not really arguing for doing things any different based on this philosophy. None of us are psychic enough to know who is going to comit a crime and I certainly wouldn't want police and judges trying to do so and locking people up for it. Those who have comitted a crime are probably the most likely to commit another so statistically they are the best bet for who to lock up.
I just wanted to point out that any absolute statement that society benefits from incarcerating specific individuals isn't really correct, not without clarvoyance anyway.
Note... one might make the argument that locking people up for crimes is good because it is a deterent to others. The author's statement though was worded more in the sense of locking up an individual. Unless that individual is a celebrity (OJ Simpson perhaps?) I don't think not locking up any one person is going to make a dent in the deterent effect of the law. How would we chose which individual(s) not to lock up? We couldn't and wouldn't. Again, I'm not advocating changing anything, just commenting about the validity of the author's statement.
Does this matter? I don't know. I think it's important to understand and keep in mind that when someone gets locked up society doesn't really win, it just makes a necessary (maybe debatable for certain crimes) sacrifice.
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Gravity is a pretty big deal. Look at the health effects of long term ISS stays.
Helium 3 - might be priceless! Might be worthless! We don't know how that will work out yet.
What else?
Water, oxygen, metals, even rock to make cement. Not exactly stuff that is hard to come by on Earth but a whole lot harder to get into space from Earth than it is from the moon. Your floating satellites could be made of lunar materials.
Riding down from a satellite to the lunar surface? Nope, not a viable tourism idea. Satellites are stable when they orbit Earth. They are NOT stable in orbit of the moon. the moon's gravity is too 'lumpy'. It would take too much fuel to keep a 'hotel' in orbit of the moon permanently. Ever wonder why the moon has no natural satellites of it's own? It's not because the Earth would steal them. If that were true than the return home for the Apollo asronauts would have been free!
The best thing to do with money is to keep it moving. Starting a new industry in an unpopulated place will generate jobs. Giving billions of people handouts will just make the money disappear and at the end of the day all of the same people are hungry.
Why?
Do you really think what you see is going to change? Do you have any concept of scale?
How about if I paint a single grain of sand at an otherwise pristine beach that you are looking at from a couple of miles away?
Of course, if we someday have several whole large lunar cities that might be visible. Even then I doubt we would see much except for the lights in the dark parts. That might look kind of neat actually. Instead of phases where parts of the moon look 'natural' or aren't visible at all we would have phases of still natural looking part vs city lights part.
I've put a lot of time, effort and money into repairing, upgrading and maintaining my rental property. What gives someone else the right to enjoy the fruits of my labor for free? There is a reason that it is cheaper (over time) to buy a home than to rent one. You are paying for a lot more than just the right to 'be there'.
"It's almost as extreme as space itself"
No, we don't know that yet.
The surface of the moon has all the radiation, lack of air and extreme temperature issues as space. But...
It has a lot more gravity. We know that life in zero g is very bad for the human body. What would the moon's gravity do over time though? We don't know. It's less than Earth's so maybe it's still bad. We haven't ever exposed people to it over long enough duration to find out. Maybe 16% of Earth's gravity gets you 84% of the problems that develop in 0 gravity but then, maybe it's less linear than that. Maybe over a certain amount you are fine? Let's find out.
That's just the surface. Make an underground shelter and the radiation problem goes away.
Then there is the fact that the moon is essentially a great big ball of resources which require a lot of energy however nowhere near as much as from Earth to get into space. Resources mined from the moon could be used for building your orbital hotels, or for other spacecraft that could then be sent to explore and/or settle the solar system.
I'll believe they want reform when the stop electing the same old assholes.
The problem is that people are buying up the domain names of old websites which no longer exist just to publish a robots.txt file. Then archive.org automatically deletes, or at least blocks access to the entire history of everything that ever happened at that domain including the past website which the new owner has nothing to do with.
I suppose they are just trying to honor site owner's wishes even when they may have initially forgotten about robots.txt and added it later. The robot doesn't know that the old content belonged to someone else who DID NOT wish to block it. Maybe a good solution is that when they notice a new robots.txt everything for the last 'X' months get deleted. (go ahead and debate values of X) Data from prior to that should be left alone. Even if it was posted by the same site owner who is posting the robots.txt today. Tough cookies! If you want to control how your data is used I don't see a problem with requiring you actually take the time to learn about things like robots.txt before you publish. It's really no different than releasing source code under the GPL and then later turning it into a closed source product. All your new work belongs to you but you don't get to force everyone to delete ever copy they might have of the old code and you can't stop them from forking it.
-- I would totally consider an 'X value' of zero as being on the table btw
Plastic reflectors?
My high school had a 1 million dollar computer lab gifted to it. That was quite a bit in 1990s money considering that I had a graduating class of under 40! The problem was that the only teacher who knew anything about computers was the band teacher. He was good, don't get me wrong but his musical love/responsiblities came first and he didn't really have time to teach computer class. After he struggled to fit in a programming class for 1 semester he realized he couldn't do it. After that about the most advanced thing in the room was Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing!
Maybe school teachers are more techically proficient today? I doubt it! Even if they are.. with all the finiky settings that go into getting a 3d printer to work right, and all the failure prone parts that go into one... I don't see how this can possibly work!
You miss the point.
Many climate change deniers point to the fact that some scientists considered global cooling as a posibility as a reason not to trust the scientific community as it warns of global warming today. The point is that such a comparison is invalid because the scientific community never really was convinced of global cooling in that way. It isn't about what is true/not true there, it is about verifying credibility as an indicator of what might be true or not true.
yes. archive.org archives a lot more than just the internet.
I don't think that is a very good reason to chose an iOS device. Maybe Apple is better about privacy than Google. Or.. maybe they are just better at lying about it. I don't know but here is the more important difference to me... Google gives me a choice. I can remove all the Google services from my Android phone any time I want to. Yes, that includes the Play store. You don't have to use Google's 'marketplace' to install apps on an Android device. I can then chose from a number of alternatives that have nothing to do with Google. I can even roll my own solutions if I am truly paranoid. Unless you jailbreak Apple devices allow none of that. (My iPad is still on iOS 5 because I am awaiting an iOS 7 jailbreak grr!!!)
Really this isn't just about privacy. Apple is way too restrictive. I just got a lapdock for my Android phone. I plug my phone in and it basically works like a laptop. It's awesome! It even has a trackpad and better yet, it even allows me to plug in a mouse. It has USB ports!! I use it to do web development. That includes graphic editing that there is no way I would attempt without a real mouse.
Apple wants to TELL US what we need, and that a mouse is not it. iOS will never support a mouse.
I am also using it to do 'Arduino' development. It actually recognized my usb to ttl adapter so I can do the programming through it! I'm hoping to add the other common hobbyist micros, PIC, Propeller and MSP430 soon. I just need to figure out how to cross-compile the toolchains.
Yeah, I know, that's quite a geeky niche. It's about as far from the common hipster that both Apple and Google target as could be. And yet, Google products are flexible enough to accomidate my wishes. I thought I was going to have to buy a laptop or a netbook soon. Now it looks like my phone might be all I need. Thank you Google!
My needs are probably nothing like yours but aren't we all different in one way or another? I bet most of us have things a less locked-down device could do, we just might not all realize it because we don't all imagine that way. I don't want anyone to be forced into Apple's little person-mold. Apple can suck it!
Oh, one other thing, about your privacy... You have none! By necesity cell towers are limited in range. If there weren't we wouldn't be able to fit all of today's cellular traffic in the range of available radio frequencies. There isn't enough room, nature itself doesn't allow for it. So... the cellphone company has to have at least a rough idea of where you are to route calls to the correct tower to reach you. Also... all your data routes through them. Connect to the internet any other way... all your data is still routing through somebody. And you do NOT have any control over what happens from there. You can bet your life that whoever that is, they do record information and they do share with the NSA and marketing corps as well. There is too much money in it for then not to! It doesn't matter who wrote the OS on your phone! So... you want privacy? Turn off. It's is THE ONLY WAY!
Can / does the NSA force companies to keep information? Could deleting the information in some sort of twisted police state logic be construed as destroying evidence or something similar to that? If this kind of thing happens then no doubt there are gag orders so we don't ever hear about it.
I've been out of college for just barely over a decade but this is making me feel very old.
Wow, with such eloquent speech I can't imagine how you ever couldn't find a job and ended up homeless.
I really doubt that. That's if you are convicted of a felony. If they just hold you a while and let you go then nobody cares. If they actually make you go to court... is it a felony they are charging you with? Anyone care to comment?
Yah, that sounds about right.
Of course they do. Why do you think a good graphics card costs so damn much?!?!
What does any of that have to do with the kernel? I don't think that people comparing desktop operating systems for their next PC are looking at anything in the kernel.
For the most part the third parties here haven't had enough power or money to become corrupt yet. However.... what most of them actually are instead is insane. Bat shit insane. I want to vote for a third party but there is rarely a third party I would want to vote for! Most are either ultra-right religious types that want to end the separation between church and state or ultra-liberals who have a few good ideas plus a whole lot of bad ones.
We couldn't have evolved without snakes and billions of other details of our history being exactly what it was. It's exactly like the arguments that creationists use when they say that so many specific things had to be just so therefore it cannot be chance. Except... it fails to recognize that if something specific didn't happen in the past then something else would have been happening instead. Without snakes or with any other significant changes to our past some other species would have evolved. Perhaps they would then be looking into their own past.. wow... if X was different we wouldn't be here...
What the article really tells us is that snakes were an important part of our ancestor's lives as our species evolved. Once you know that it goes without saying that we would be a different species without them.
One guy brings out the Hitler card. Another counters with his racist card. I blame Pokemon. Obviously that is where the kidies are learning their communication skills these days.
More likely it will just get forgotten and ignored. You can't keep the people interested in what their government is doing unless it has a direct and obvious effect on their bank accounts. Even then.. it can be difficult.
0? I wish I could mod this back up. Agree or disagree it doesn't look off-topic or trolish to me in any way! I couldn't not comment on this article though.
"If you're guilty, on the other hand, you may want to walk free, but it's usually in your society's interest for you to be convicted."
Is it? Why?
Prisons are over-crowded, every person in there is an expense to society and in no position to do anything useful for society even if they want to. This is true for any kind of offense, not just ones which we might not all agree should be ilegal. Locking a person up can't bring a murder victim back to life. It doesn't help an asault victim heal faster. It doesn't heal emotional wounds. Maybe.. if they are caught soon enough some of a thief's loot might be recovered and eventually restored to the victims. I wonder how often that happens where the amount recovered is greater than the cost of feeding and housing the criminal over time? The only thing that actually is in society's interest is preventing a crime from being comitted in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not really arguing for doing things any different based on this philosophy. None of us are psychic enough to know who is going to comit a crime and I certainly wouldn't want police and judges trying to do so and locking people up for it. Those who have comitted a crime are probably the most likely to commit another so statistically they are the best bet for who to lock up.
I just wanted to point out that any absolute statement that society benefits from incarcerating specific individuals isn't really correct, not without clarvoyance anyway.
Note... one might make the argument that locking people up for crimes is good because it is a deterent to others. The author's statement though was worded more in the sense of locking up an individual. Unless that individual is a celebrity (OJ Simpson perhaps?) I don't think not locking up any one person is going to make a dent in the deterent effect of the law. How would we chose which individual(s) not to lock up? We couldn't and wouldn't. Again, I'm not advocating changing anything, just commenting about the validity of the author's statement.
Does this matter? I don't know. I think it's important to understand and keep in mind that when someone gets locked up society doesn't really win, it just makes a necessary (maybe debatable for certain crimes) sacrifice.