Remember paying for long distance? That was the main thing that kept services like this, AOL, Prodigy, etc... out of our home in the 80s. It wasn't until the mid to late 90s when there were local internet providers in most small towns that the old pre-internet networks started offering the 800 numbers. As a geek growing up in a small town BBSs and online services were a like a myth. Sure I'd heard the stories but it wasn't anything that was ever going to be a part of my reality.
You could get a lot done with 300 baud. There was no Flash, no video, no animation. Watching the video I see there were pictures but only very few and they were pretty much 8-bit cartoons, not photos. What was being sent over the wire was just information as text. News, Weather, Shopping. This is nothing to us now since we have the internet and mostly on 'broadband' connections but it was a HUGE leap from having nothing.
Consider this... when most of what you are receiving is text.. can you READ at a speed of greater than 300 baud?
Am I the only one losing interest in this? I was really stoked at first, dreaming of all the possibilities of what could be done with such an inexpensive computer. I was considering it's use as everything from a very powerful microcontroler to a server and even a desktop. Right off the bat I wanted two to build car computers, one for a lightweight, power sipping and silent development server and another to use as an X-terminal on my workbench.
The problem is the display. The lack of VGA output means all those cheap monitors that everyone has in their closets are useless. I'm not even talking about bulky power hungry CRTs, I can't even use the older LCDs that I have lying around. That really kills the price advantage this board would have had. I know, I'm not the target market, schools or kids are. Apparently it's the less financially advantaged schools, the one I went to had a computer lab as early as 1994 (and few knowledgeable teachers to take advantage of it). Are they going to be able to buy all these new monitors? I understand there was an idea that kids would take these home. But it's still only going to work for kids with newer TVs in the family (and probably more than one since mom, dad and siblings are busy watching reality TV crap on the main one). Aren't families like that going to already have real computers?
I guess there is the composite out. I've never seen anything on composite out that looked much better than late 1980s 8-bit games. Is that going to get kids of today excited?
By the way, no, converters are not really a practical option. Yes, there are cheap adapters that are just pin remappings. Yes, many of us have even used those adapters successfully on our computers. No, that's not going to cut it for the Raspberry Pi. The cheap adapters work on our computers because they are just remapping Analog output pins that our computers already have active. The raspberry Pi does not have anything attached to those pins. For the Raspberry Pi you need to spend about $90 for a converter that converts the digital output to Analog VGA. That multiplies the money you are spending by over 4! Another option might be a USB to VGA adapter but those aren't much cheaper and would then require a lot of work to get the drivers going.
Really? With all the people out there that supposedly turn to cheap unsafe counterfeits because they can't afford the real stuff? With all the people who turn to 'alternative' medicines, homeopathy, faith healers and other quackery because whatever they have just can't be cured with current medicines? It's hard to find patients for an experimental medicine outside of buying off a doctor?
Is anybody really trying? When I am dying or debilitated from something that current medicine cannot cure I certainly expect I will be willing to swallow or inject what may be an experimental cure or a placebo (I assume it's a 50/50, gotta be a blind test right?). It beats sitting around waiting to die!
Occasionally I have seen ads looking for people to take experimental medicine or to take place in other studies. Usually they involve looking for people hooked on drugs but sometimes they mention diseases. Either way they are usually tiny print few-line ads in the backs of magazines or papers. For the money they are paying these doctors I would think they could take out some nice radio or even TV ads with plenty left to spare.
Also... paying doctors to prescribe your medicine as 'the' treatment for something... that sounds pretty sketchy doesn't it?
Ahh.. when a new computer easily cost $1500, probably more. And when most people weren't on the net yet but were interested. I miss that! I had parts sources. (Actually I had a good friend with sources but that just makes him my source right?) I could assemble a whole computer (even the monitor and sometimes a printer) for under $50. Once I got lucky with parts and did the whole thing for $8! My computers were relatively slow but they ran Win95, Netscape, ICQ/AIM and a very old (even then) but perfectly usable version of MSWord for Windows. It was everything one really needed to get on the internet and to write papers for school.
Assembling these things was a fun challenge. I started with old PCs (mostly 286s) that I used for the case, floppy drive and occasionaly could get a video card or NIC out of them. I had a source for 486-33 w/ 4MB RAM and 66Mhz 8MB boards. It would usually take some case hacking to get the board in. I salvaged hard drives from old computers too which meant they were small even for the time and I usually needed 2 to fit everything. That often meant more case hacking to make a spot to mount them. The same source I got the 286s from often had old IBM-PS/2 monitors. They were just small 13" VGAs. I don't think the people selling the monitors realized they were VGA they just assumed they were some sort of proprietary IBM thing. Each 286 was $1 as were the monitors. The motherboards were $25 or $35 depending if I went with the faster or slower one. The toughest things for me to get were soundcards and modems. I especially liked the combo cards because they made good computerized answering machines (plus they were fun for use with a prank-call program I had called CatCall).
First I hooked up friends and family and then I was about to start trying to sell them for profit... That's when suddenly the new hardware's speeds started shooting up while the price was shooting down. There was no more niche for my old junk.
Right, but this is the way it HAS to be? Really? I'm not arguing that your explanation of the process is wrong. But how about a little imagination and a new process? It's only the potential lifespans and quality of life of every human being on the planet at stake here, it's not like it's important enough to try to change or anything.
My first thought... If doctors require so much bribing to get them to go along with the tests then how about just hiring one's own doctors as employees? Maybe there is some sort of regulatory barrier to that? Get it changed! Yes, I know, getting things changed involved buying a lot of congressmen. How old is the average congressman? How about instead of buying them remind them of their own mortality? Ok Mr Congressman, you don't want to help make medicine better without getting big campaign donations? Fine! How's that heart doing? Any cancer in your family? What's the life expectancy for someone born when you were again?
Or is it an issue of assuring there is no conflict of interest? Maybe drugs should be tested by independent doctors before they actually hit an open market but drug companies could use their own doctors to weed out the dead ends first and only fork out the trial money on the ones their own tests show will actually work.
Is it an animal activist problem? No problem. They can get up on a soap box and shout about what is happening to the animals. First... be as blameless as possible. Take good care of those animals while they are alive, before (and if they survive) after the trials. Make them as happy as possible. Cause no more suffering than necessary. Got that done? Good! Now get up on your own soap box. If the animal activists are running ads with pictures of suffering animals then run ads with pictures of dying humans. Working on heart medicine? Show grandpa having a heart attack. Cancer? Show grandma with that. Better yet, show a little kid. You will still have a vocal minority against you but so long as you can dodge the occasional bucket of red paint the vocal majority that are for you will keep them in check. See... look how easy this is.
Insurance problem? That might be the hardest one to deal with. The best I can think of... publicize everything. If you are really trying to cure or prevent disease and somebody is making it hard for you there is no reason you shouldn't at least be able to get public outrage on your side. That might not actually win you anything but it certainly will not hurt. Really, that method could be applied to every problem. Make waves to get change.
Yes, I know this probably sounds pretty naive to somebody actually in that industry. I'm sure any change will be slow, very hard to accomplish and probably involve many failures along the way. So? The impression one gets as one affected by this (you know, the life expectancy/quality of every person on the planet thing) but not actually in that field by listening to people in medicine talk about it is that all most of them are interested in is accepting the status quot like it was written in stone by god or something. Barring an accident the day comes when we all need the cure for something or other, our life depends on it. Maybe worse yet are the possible several decades at the end of life where it's our quality of life that depends on it. Why aren't all doctors, researchers, etc... fighting to streamline this process as though their own lives depend on it? They do!!!!
Those old games aren't going to suddenly require a newer version of Flash. just keep the old one around and you will be fine. I suppose eventually the browser or even the OS itself will no longer be able to run that old Flash version but then you just keep a copy of an old OS/Browser and you are still fine. That's a pain but if you were a little older your nostalgia could be about MSDOS or even TRS-80 or Commodore, etc... It would be the same problem.
Really? I use ALSA and it works for me. I have tried to install both Pulseaudio and Jack but failed. Jack looks interesting and I think it does things I would like. Pulseaudio was more just because everyone else seems to be using it.
Still, with just ALSA (and OSS emulation for older apps) every program I try to use works just fine. That's a user's perspective of course. Maybe the programming APIs suck? If that's the problem how about just fixing it with a wrapper class>
My only complaint is that separate sessions (vnc, ssh, remote X) don't just work. I can install a networked sound system like esd (or pulseaudio / aRts if my client machine is always *nix) and manually set applications to output where I want them but that is a pain. GUI apps 'just know' which X-Server to talk to by reading the 'DISPLAY' environment variable. Most of the time I don't even have to set the 'DISPLAY' variable, it 'just works'. Why can't audio do the same?
GnuStep might be a valid although strange answer. Does anybody use that any more? I suspect if he was looking for a Mac specific implementation he would have just started the project in Cocoa already. Most likely if he is even asking the question he isn't even using a Mac and suggesting Cocoa is like suggesting he go out and buy a new computer just for this project.
My theory is that many (but far from all) vegans/vegetarians will eat meat once it is lab grown. Lab grown meat will cause much less animal suffering and maybe it can some day even be engineered to reduce it's fat & cholesterol content. Still some will hold out because at some point an animal was killed to get the original samples. Ethical brands will then pop up that certify their animals were not killed, they only had small samples taken using a humane method and then lived out their natural lives well taken care of. Still, a few will hold out because the animals had no choice in the matter. Of course, few animals that we know of can understand plus make that choice and only one could communicate it to us. So.. someday eating lab grown human meat will be commonplace.
I don't know about in the UK. In the US I would think the would go to a minimum security prison for something like this. That is not the same kind of place as you see murderers go to on tv. So long as he behaves he would likely be ok.
Sorry but whatever his intentions he must have been living under a rock to think he could do this repeatedly and not run across someone that would press charges regardless of his good intentions (real or not). And how could he not know that a court would rule against him? It's not like he is the first to try this. But..
Does anybody else think that when anything is connected to the internet it should be entirely the problem of the person who connected it if something happens? Ok, let me explain what I mean. You have a computer. You write code that tells it to respond to sequences of 1s and 0s (high and low voltages) in various ways. Or.. you pay someone else for the code. Either way you put this thing there. You put the code in that makes it respond to someone else's 1s and 0s. Then you plug it in to this really big public network. You connected it to a huge mess of wires, fiber optic cables and radio links which you do not own. You do not control it. And you know that billions of other people can send their own sequences of 1s and 0s to your computer across this network using the connection that you put in place.
Now somehow when someone sends a sequence of 1s and 0s that you don't like they are legally culpable? Somehow this is equivalent to vandalism or trespassing, etc...? Even when done by someone that has never been within 1000s of miles of your actual physical property? Somehow when they receive the 1s and 0s that your computer sends them it's theft?
Am I the only person to think the world has gone bat shit insane?
I have no idea. What would that get you if you did? Would it get you the ability to run any Wayland app you chose over the network or just the ability to run certain ones which use that compositor? Sorry, I am not familiar with compositors. If that is a simple solution then great! I just don't think that Wayland should be considered as anything any mainstream distros should install by default until the network transparency is solved. Solved as in it works, not solved as in it could work (vaporware). Otherwise we run the risk of having a bunch of developers jump to it as the new great thing and future applications or future versions of current applications no longer have remote display support.
See my above comment regarding RDP. I don't want a single window which contains a remote desktop environment with all it's applications sandboxed away from my locally running ones. I want the remote applications to display on the local machine exactly like individual local applications. I want to see them individually in my taskbar/dock tray. I want to seamlessly cut and paste between them and local apps. I want what X does, not what VNC does.
Now.. if you make the argument that someone will come along and add a remote protocol to Wayland which makes it as flexible as X then fine. Great! IF that happens. What bothers me is the Linux distros which have already announced they are planning to switch to Wayland while the Wayland developers have stated quite clearly that they are not interested in this.
I don't want to see a future where X holdouts (and until Wayland is fully network functional I will be one) only have 1/2 or less of the applications available because application developers have already switched to developing for Wayland.
You want to get real work done? Add a keyboard. Do it Zaurus Clamshell style where it folds into a tablet or it folds into a netbook type form factor and the screen flips around so the keyboard/touch screen can fold against one another for protection when storing/carrying. Yes, it's no longer strictly a tablet. That's why it's better for getting real work done. Do keep the touch screen and keep the interface as usable as possible even with the keyboard folded under.
No, you don't have to make it big/heavy/clumsy to do this. If my phone can fit a slide-in qwerty keyboard in it then certainly a tablet can fit a much nicer one even w/o being too large.
Oh.. and a stylus would be nice too. I don't know what percentage of customers would actually use it but I'd rather see it come with the tablet than be an add-on because then the tablet will have a nice hole that the stylus slides into for keeping. I want one for drawing. Nice handwriting recognition and a good note taking app might be good with a stylus too although the last time I tried that the software wasn't really ready.
Last but not least (for me) would be the ability to pair it to a bluetooth mouse. Yes, I pretty much made it a netbook there didn't I? That's my request as a desktop application programmer. It might not be such a useful thing for many office workers. I have to use Visual Studio for my job (yuck I know). If I ever need to edit a form (lot's of dragging things around the screen) and all I have is a mouseless tablet then that really sucks. I suppose anybody who does any kind of design work might have the same request. I know that this would seem to take away a lot of the convenience of it being a tablet, having to carry a separate mouse and needing to find a surface to use it on, etc.. but I think the important thing would be that it is optional. I want the ability to pair up a mouse. I don't want the requirement to do so. It should be just as usable as any pure tablet with the keyboard folded under. I would slide out the keyboard and/or pair up the mouse only when I want to do something special where the tablet interface just doesn't cut it.
Yes, I've seen netbooks that fold this way. I suppose I could get one and put some touch oriented Linux distro on it and have exactly what I want. They are EXPENSIVE though! I think if the "look ma, it's so thin I can slice my own hand off with it" craze went away we would see more options like this available in a wider price range. I keep hoping!
I said SSH was text only. Well.. I know.. there is tunneling. In case that is what you were actually talking about I do know about it but it is irrelevant. The only way we can use SSH to tunnel something is if it already supports remote display via TCP/IP. If Wayland did that we wouldn't be having this conversation.
No, actually I do use commandline a lot and appreciate SSH but I don't see how that makes up for it if graphical applications start losing the ability to be ran remotely.
Is this something that will allow a normal user (as in non-developer) to run any application remotely regardless of if the application's author originally intended it with a minimal effort?
If not then that is what we lose if Wayland becomes mainstream.
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How does the new audio system affect multiple soundcard support? Is it improved?
which came out after the original android
Remember paying for long distance? That was the main thing that kept services like this, AOL, Prodigy, etc... out of our home in the 80s. It wasn't until the mid to late 90s when there were local internet providers in most small towns that the old pre-internet networks started offering the 800 numbers. As a geek growing up in a small town BBSs and online services were a like a myth. Sure I'd heard the stories but it wasn't anything that was ever going to be a part of my reality.
You could get a lot done with 300 baud. There was no Flash, no video, no animation. Watching the video I see there were pictures but only very few and they were pretty much 8-bit cartoons, not photos. What was being sent over the wire was just information as text. News, Weather, Shopping. This is nothing to us now since we have the internet and mostly on 'broadband' connections but it was a HUGE leap from having nothing. Consider this... when most of what you are receiving is text.. can you READ at a speed of greater than 300 baud?
Paid vacation! How rough is that?
Am I the only one losing interest in this? I was really stoked at first, dreaming of all the possibilities of what could be done with such an inexpensive computer. I was considering it's use as everything from a very powerful microcontroler to a server and even a desktop. Right off the bat I wanted two to build car computers, one for a lightweight, power sipping and silent development server and another to use as an X-terminal on my workbench.
The problem is the display. The lack of VGA output means all those cheap monitors that everyone has in their closets are useless. I'm not even talking about bulky power hungry CRTs, I can't even use the older LCDs that I have lying around. That really kills the price advantage this board would have had. I know, I'm not the target market, schools or kids are. Apparently it's the less financially advantaged schools, the one I went to had a computer lab as early as 1994 (and few knowledgeable teachers to take advantage of it). Are they going to be able to buy all these new monitors? I understand there was an idea that kids would take these home. But it's still only going to work for kids with newer TVs in the family (and probably more than one since mom, dad and siblings are busy watching reality TV crap on the main one). Aren't families like that going to already have real computers?
I guess there is the composite out. I've never seen anything on composite out that looked much better than late 1980s 8-bit games. Is that going to get kids of today excited?
By the way, no, converters are not really a practical option. Yes, there are cheap adapters that are just pin remappings. Yes, many of us have even used those adapters successfully on our computers. No, that's not going to cut it for the Raspberry Pi. The cheap adapters work on our computers because they are just remapping Analog output pins that our computers already have active. The raspberry Pi does not have anything attached to those pins. For the Raspberry Pi you need to spend about $90 for a converter that converts the digital output to Analog VGA. That multiplies the money you are spending by over 4! Another option might be a USB to VGA adapter but those aren't much cheaper and would then require a lot of work to get the drivers going.
Really? With all the people out there that supposedly turn to cheap unsafe counterfeits because they can't afford the real stuff? With all the people who turn to 'alternative' medicines, homeopathy, faith healers and other quackery because whatever they have just can't be cured with current medicines? It's hard to find patients for an experimental medicine outside of buying off a doctor?
Is anybody really trying? When I am dying or debilitated from something that current medicine cannot cure I certainly expect I will be willing to swallow or inject what may be an experimental cure or a placebo (I assume it's a 50/50, gotta be a blind test right?). It beats sitting around waiting to die!
Occasionally I have seen ads looking for people to take experimental medicine or to take place in other studies. Usually they involve looking for people hooked on drugs but sometimes they mention diseases. Either way they are usually tiny print few-line ads in the backs of magazines or papers. For the money they are paying these doctors I would think they could take out some nice radio or even TV ads with plenty left to spare.
Also... paying doctors to prescribe your medicine as 'the' treatment for something... that sounds pretty sketchy doesn't it?
Ahh.. when a new computer easily cost $1500, probably more. And when most people weren't on the net yet but were interested. I miss that! I had parts sources. (Actually I had a good friend with sources but that just makes him my source right?) I could assemble a whole computer (even the monitor and sometimes a printer) for under $50. Once I got lucky with parts and did the whole thing for $8! My computers were relatively slow but they ran Win95, Netscape, ICQ/AIM and a very old (even then) but perfectly usable version of MSWord for Windows. It was everything one really needed to get on the internet and to write papers for school.
Assembling these things was a fun challenge. I started with old PCs (mostly 286s) that I used for the case, floppy drive and occasionaly could get a video card or NIC out of them. I had a source for 486-33 w/ 4MB RAM and 66Mhz 8MB boards. It would usually take some case hacking to get the board in. I salvaged hard drives from old computers too which meant they were small even for the time and I usually needed 2 to fit everything. That often meant more case hacking to make a spot to mount them. The same source I got the 286s from often had old IBM-PS/2 monitors. They were just small 13" VGAs. I don't think the people selling the monitors realized they were VGA they just assumed they were some sort of proprietary IBM thing. Each 286 was $1 as were the monitors. The motherboards were $25 or $35 depending if I went with the faster or slower one. The toughest things for me to get were soundcards and modems. I especially liked the combo cards because they made good computerized answering machines (plus they were fun for use with a prank-call program I had called CatCall).
First I hooked up friends and family and then I was about to start trying to sell them for profit... That's when suddenly the new hardware's speeds started shooting up while the price was shooting down. There was no more niche for my old junk.
Right, but this is the way it HAS to be? Really? I'm not arguing that your explanation of the process is wrong. But how about a little imagination and a new process? It's only the potential lifespans and quality of life of every human being on the planet at stake here, it's not like it's important enough to try to change or anything.
My first thought... If doctors require so much bribing to get them to go along with the tests then how about just hiring one's own doctors as employees? Maybe there is some sort of regulatory barrier to that? Get it changed! Yes, I know, getting things changed involved buying a lot of congressmen. How old is the average congressman? How about instead of buying them remind them of their own mortality? Ok Mr Congressman, you don't want to help make medicine better without getting big campaign donations? Fine! How's that heart doing? Any cancer in your family? What's the life expectancy for someone born when you were again?
Or is it an issue of assuring there is no conflict of interest? Maybe drugs should be tested by independent doctors before they actually hit an open market but drug companies could use their own doctors to weed out the dead ends first and only fork out the trial money on the ones their own tests show will actually work.
Is it an animal activist problem? No problem. They can get up on a soap box and shout about what is happening to the animals. First... be as blameless as possible. Take good care of those animals while they are alive, before (and if they survive) after the trials. Make them as happy as possible. Cause no more suffering than necessary. Got that done? Good! Now get up on your own soap box. If the animal activists are running ads with pictures of suffering animals then run ads with pictures of dying humans. Working on heart medicine? Show grandpa having a heart attack. Cancer? Show grandma with that. Better yet, show a little kid. You will still have a vocal minority against you but so long as you can dodge the occasional bucket of red paint the vocal majority that are for you will keep them in check. See... look how easy this is.
Insurance problem? That might be the hardest one to deal with. The best I can think of... publicize everything. If you are really trying to cure or prevent disease and somebody is making it hard for you there is no reason you shouldn't at least be able to get public outrage on your side. That might not actually win you anything but it certainly will not hurt. Really, that method could be applied to every problem. Make waves to get change.
Yes, I know this probably sounds pretty naive to somebody actually in that industry. I'm sure any change will be slow, very hard to accomplish and probably involve many failures along the way. So? The impression one gets as one affected by this (you know, the life expectancy/quality of every person on the planet thing) but not actually in that field by listening to people in medicine talk about it is that all most of them are interested in is accepting the status quot like it was written in stone by god or something. Barring an accident the day comes when we all need the cure for something or other, our life depends on it. Maybe worse yet are the possible several decades at the end of life where it's our quality of life that depends on it. Why aren't all doctors, researchers, etc... fighting to streamline this process as though their own lives depend on it? They do!!!!
Those old games aren't going to suddenly require a newer version of Flash. just keep the old one around and you will be fine. I suppose eventually the browser or even the OS itself will no longer be able to run that old Flash version but then you just keep a copy of an old OS/Browser and you are still fine. That's a pain but if you were a little older your nostalgia could be about MSDOS or even TRS-80 or Commodore, etc... It would be the same problem.
Really? I use ALSA and it works for me. I have tried to install both Pulseaudio and Jack but failed. Jack looks interesting and I think it does things I would like. Pulseaudio was more just because everyone else seems to be using it.
Still, with just ALSA (and OSS emulation for older apps) every program I try to use works just fine. That's a user's perspective of course. Maybe the programming APIs suck? If that's the problem how about just fixing it with a wrapper class>
My only complaint is that separate sessions (vnc, ssh, remote X) don't just work. I can install a networked sound system like esd (or pulseaudio / aRts if my client machine is always *nix) and manually set applications to output where I want them but that is a pain. GUI apps 'just know' which X-Server to talk to by reading the 'DISPLAY' environment variable. Most of the time I don't even have to set the 'DISPLAY' variable, it 'just works'. Why can't audio do the same?
GnuStep might be a valid although strange answer. Does anybody use that any more? I suspect if he was looking for a Mac specific implementation he would have just started the project in Cocoa already. Most likely if he is even asking the question he isn't even using a Mac and suggesting Cocoa is like suggesting he go out and buy a new computer just for this project.
My theory is that many (but far from all) vegans/vegetarians will eat meat once it is lab grown. Lab grown meat will cause much less animal suffering and maybe it can some day even be engineered to reduce it's fat & cholesterol content. Still some will hold out because at some point an animal was killed to get the original samples. Ethical brands will then pop up that certify their animals were not killed, they only had small samples taken using a humane method and then lived out their natural lives well taken care of. Still, a few will hold out because the animals had no choice in the matter. Of course, few animals that we know of can understand plus make that choice and only one could communicate it to us. So.. someday eating lab grown human meat will be commonplace.
So things really are the same all over the world huh
Couldn't this be better accomplished with roadside sensors that detect all cars, not just connected ones as they drive by?
I don't know about in the UK. In the US I would think the would go to a minimum security prison for something like this. That is not the same kind of place as you see murderers go to on tv. So long as he behaves he would likely be ok.
Sorry but whatever his intentions he must have been living under a rock to think he could do this repeatedly and not run across someone that would press charges regardless of his good intentions (real or not). And how could he not know that a court would rule against him? It's not like he is the first to try this. But..
Does anybody else think that when anything is connected to the internet it should be entirely the problem of the person who connected it if something happens? Ok, let me explain what I mean. You have a computer. You write code that tells it to respond to sequences of 1s and 0s (high and low voltages) in various ways. Or.. you pay someone else for the code. Either way you put this thing there. You put the code in that makes it respond to someone else's 1s and 0s. Then you plug it in to this really big public network. You connected it to a huge mess of wires, fiber optic cables and radio links which you do not own. You do not control it. And you know that billions of other people can send their own sequences of 1s and 0s to your computer across this network using the connection that you put in place.
Now somehow when someone sends a sequence of 1s and 0s that you don't like they are legally culpable? Somehow this is equivalent to vandalism or trespassing, etc...? Even when done by someone that has never been within 1000s of miles of your actual physical property? Somehow when they receive the 1s and 0s that your computer sends them it's theft?
Am I the only person to think the world has gone bat shit insane?
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I have no idea. What would that get you if you did? Would it get you the ability to run any Wayland app you chose over the network or just the ability to run certain ones which use that compositor? Sorry, I am not familiar with compositors. If that is a simple solution then great! I just don't think that Wayland should be considered as anything any mainstream distros should install by default until the network transparency is solved. Solved as in it works, not solved as in it could work (vaporware). Otherwise we run the risk of having a bunch of developers jump to it as the new great thing and future applications or future versions of current applications no longer have remote display support.
See my above comment regarding RDP. I don't want a single window which contains a remote desktop environment with all it's applications sandboxed away from my locally running ones. I want the remote applications to display on the local machine exactly like individual local applications. I want to see them individually in my taskbar/dock tray. I want to seamlessly cut and paste between them and local apps. I want what X does, not what VNC does.
Now.. if you make the argument that someone will come along and add a remote protocol to Wayland which makes it as flexible as X then fine. Great! IF that happens. What bothers me is the Linux distros which have already announced they are planning to switch to Wayland while the Wayland developers have stated quite clearly that they are not interested in this.
I don't want to see a future where X holdouts (and until Wayland is fully network functional I will be one) only have 1/2 or less of the applications available because application developers have already switched to developing for Wayland.
You want to get real work done? Add a keyboard. Do it Zaurus Clamshell style where it folds into a tablet or it folds into a netbook type form factor and the screen flips around so the keyboard/touch screen can fold against one another for protection when storing/carrying. Yes, it's no longer strictly a tablet. That's why it's better for getting real work done. Do keep the touch screen and keep the interface as usable as possible even with the keyboard folded under.
No, you don't have to make it big/heavy/clumsy to do this. If my phone can fit a slide-in qwerty keyboard in it then certainly a tablet can fit a much nicer one even w/o being too large.
Oh.. and a stylus would be nice too. I don't know what percentage of customers would actually use it but I'd rather see it come with the tablet than be an add-on because then the tablet will have a nice hole that the stylus slides into for keeping. I want one for drawing. Nice handwriting recognition and a good note taking app might be good with a stylus too although the last time I tried that the software wasn't really ready.
Last but not least (for me) would be the ability to pair it to a bluetooth mouse. Yes, I pretty much made it a netbook there didn't I? That's my request as a desktop application programmer. It might not be such a useful thing for many office workers. I have to use Visual Studio for my job (yuck I know). If I ever need to edit a form (lot's of dragging things around the screen) and all I have is a mouseless tablet then that really sucks. I suppose anybody who does any kind of design work might have the same request. I know that this would seem to take away a lot of the convenience of it being a tablet, having to carry a separate mouse and needing to find a surface to use it on, etc.. but I think the important thing would be that it is optional. I want the ability to pair up a mouse. I don't want the requirement to do so. It should be just as usable as any pure tablet with the keyboard folded under. I would slide out the keyboard and/or pair up the mouse only when I want to do something special where the tablet interface just doesn't cut it.
Yes, I've seen netbooks that fold this way. I suppose I could get one and put some touch oriented Linux distro on it and have exactly what I want. They are EXPENSIVE though! I think if the "look ma, it's so thin I can slice my own hand off with it" craze went away we would see more options like this available in a wider price range. I keep hoping!
I said SSH was text only. Well.. I know.. there is tunneling. In case that is what you were actually talking about I do know about it but it is irrelevant. The only way we can use SSH to tunnel something is if it already supports remote display via TCP/IP. If Wayland did that we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Yay, I can run Lynx! Goodie!
No, actually I do use commandline a lot and appreciate SSH but I don't see how that makes up for it if graphical applications start losing the ability to be ran remotely.
Is this something that will allow a normal user (as in non-developer) to run any application remotely regardless of if the application's author originally intended it with a minimal effort?
If not then that is what we lose if Wayland becomes mainstream.