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Raspberry Pi Now Has Distributors -- and Will Soon Have Boards for All (Video)

In an exclusive Transatlantic Skype conversation with Slashdot editor Timothy Lord recorded on Feb. 22, Raspberry Pi project leader Eben Upton talks about the state of Raspberry Pi, and tells us that yes -- finally -- they now have distributors in the U.S. and other countries instead trying to ship every unit from the U.K. Even better, instead of buying a batch of boards, selling them, and only then ordering another batch, the new distribution agreements mean they can keep a steady flow of orders coming in and going out. One slight downer is that people who have donated to the project may not get their Pi(s) right away; the distributors have spoken for all of the current order. Eben talks about this, and about how Raspberry Pi is going to take care of contributors, starting at about 4:15 in the video. You can also look at an in-person interview Tim did with Eben in January -- or wait until the end of today's video for a list of other Raspberry Pi videos.

304 comments

  1. Cursor by marjancek · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mind moving the cursor somewhere else, please?

    1. Re:Cursor by Ihmhi · · Score: 5, Informative

      While we're all asking for stuff, how about not making the videos autoplay? It's far more an annoyance than a convenience. I had to track down this mysterious droning voice after I opened up half a dozen Slashdot tabs. I'm trying to avoid doing work covertly here, people!

    2. Re:Cursor by EvilIdler · · Score: 2

      Doesn't autoplay with the right browser extensions (using ClickToPlugin on Safari; similar should be available for other browsers). I recommend setting up your browser(s) to make avoiding work as painless and pleasant as possible :)

    3. Re:Cursor by boef · · Score: 1

      While we're all asking for stuff, how about not making the videos autoplay? It's far more an annoyance than a convenience. I had to track down this mysterious droning voice after I opened up half a dozen Slashdot tabs. I'm trying to avoid doing work covertly here, people!

      Unrelated to topic but very good point. I also open tabs from the main /. page and then start reading through them afterwards. The voice-over that suddenly appeared in my earphones in the middle of Rammstein's Du Hast took a while to track down. I would even be happy to have the "don't load and play video unless asked" as a profile setting.

      On the Pi, i have to confess that I was one of the people who effectively DDOS'ed the two vendors chosen by RPi. A 10k first run was not nearly enough. I think they would have sold out in the first 5 minutes if the sites did not give up the ghost due to everyone refreshing in the hope that *This* time the page will load.

      It is a great project at a great price point and I really hope that schools in Africa etc see the opportunity to get kids interested in programming.

    4. Re:Cursor by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 2

      Mind moving the cursor somewhere else, please?

      Eben's cat did try to remove it to be fair!

    5. Re:Cursor by jittles · · Score: 1

      This! In a "waste of my time boring meeting that has nothing to do with me" and was looking here for tech "news." Good thing the sound was down on my device.

    6. Re:Cursor by orasio · · Score: 2

      There are two strategies for that.
      One of them is yours, fix what is wrong.
      Mine is to just avoid sites that are impolite to me.
      Now I will just avoid all /. articles with videos in them.

    7. Re:Cursor by Zibodiz · · Score: 1

      Hey, at least it isn't a windows cursor.
      That would just be so wrong.

  2. Failed big time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    They promised worldwide delivery to all and the ability to use PayPal. Instead, they gave us company-orders only, minimum order amounts of €50, creditcard only and only to a select amount of countries.

    Don't promise want you can't deliver. Massive disappointment.

    1. Re:Failed big time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They promised worldwide delivery to all and the ability to use PayPal. Instead, they gave us company-orders only, minimum order amounts of €50, creditcard only and only to a select amount of countries.

      That must be the first time I've ever heard of someone wanting to use PayPal. In what way does it beat credit cards issued by reputable banks (if they don't take debit cards I could see that as a genuine criticism though)?

    2. Re:Failed big time by vviljo · · Score: 2

      You had to realise to find a retailer that sells ("retails"...) stuff from the distributors. I ordered mine from my local electronics retailer and will be getting it in the "second" batch.

      I admit rasp pi foundation could and SHOULD have done a lot better in this, explaining the situation better and what to expect from the distributors.

    3. Re:Failed big time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      same here, the momnt i saw they were handing distribution to farnell and rs components i knew this was going to screw us (the whole community) over...

    4. Re:Failed big time by VMaN · · Score: 2

      wow, are you me? Because you almost word for word repeated my comments from another site.

      When I tried to comment on the "company only" ordering in Denmark, they kept retweeting comments from british users who said something like "you don't have to fill out the company name". After 3 hours they didn't feel like commenting on the fact that ordering was impossible for individuals in many countries.

      Oh, and it took around 1½ hours of F5'ing to GET to the last step in the order process, the part where you have to fill out the "vat registration number" for companies. That was a funny surprise. A heads up BEFORE I tried to order would have been nice.

    5. Re:Failed big time by jwijnands · · Score: 3, Informative

      Paypal is free to use with a bank account. Credit cards can charge significant subscription fees. Combined with the universal acceptance of debit cards and you see relatively few credit cards in this country.

    6. Re:Failed big time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Massive disappointment?!

      You haven't even seen the product yet - get a sense of proportion.

    7. Re:Failed big time by Cloud+K · · Score: 2

      I pre-ordered from Farnell with no issue at all. No minimum amount, no company details (it's geared at that, but I ignored it), and "Home / Hobby" was even an option in the list of job roles.

    8. Re:Failed big time by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Convenience.

      International credit card processing can be a bit of a pain, international PayPal payments are easier.

      Also, the target audience is children, who can often get a PayPal account more easily than a credit or debit card.

    9. Re:Failed big time by xaxa · · Score: 2, Informative

      Paypal is free to use with a bank account. Credit cards can charge significant subscription fees. Combined with the universal acceptance of debit cards and you see relatively few credit cards in this country.

      So pay with a debit card.

    10. Re:Failed big time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paypal is free to use with a bank account. Credit cards can charge significant subscription fees. Combined with the universal acceptance of debit cards and you see relatively few credit cards in this country.

      I don't think I've ever heard of a credit card charging its customers for transactions or general service - why would anyone use one if they did? They charge insane rates of interest of course, but only if you don't pay up each month. Do Visa and Mastercard actually charge "subscription fees" in some countries? How do they get away with it?

    11. Re:Failed big time by xaxa · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't think I've ever heard of a credit card charging its customers for transactions or general service - why would anyone use one if they did?

      Many cards charge an additional fee for foreign transactions. This might not be a concern if you live and shop in the US, or indeed many large countries (UK, Germany etc). But if you live in a small country there might not be a local retailer for everything.

    12. Re:Failed big time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Farnell does have a minimum order, but it's less than the cost of the RPi.

    13. Re:Failed big time by chrb · · Score: 5, Informative

      The news here really isn't the retailers that have signed up, it is the fact that the distribution model has now changed. The retailers are licensing the board designs and handing their own manufacturing, which means that the 10,000 order limit and months lead time will disappear, since both were limitations of the Pi Foundation not having enough money in the bank to finance large scale manufacturing.

      There is absolutely no reason why other manufacturers can't license the designs, e.g. Foxconn could license it, make it in their factories, and ship direct into their existing shipping channels. Chinese factories can turn this out and ship direct on ebay. If the Pi Foundation is now ready to license to everyone (I presume the licenses with Farnell and RS are not exclusive) this is going to end up making the Pi available more widely and more cheaply than they could ever have done with their direct manufacturing model.

      Seriously, look at ARM or any of the other electronics design companies, and then tell me that licensed manufacturing isn't going to work better. This one change to the business model will increased their capacity from 10,000 units every 8 weeks or so, up to whatever is financially viable for third party licensers to invest. It means their manufacturing capabilty can scale to demand, instead of being limited by the fixed amount of money they have in the bank.

    14. Re:Failed big time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This does happen in Canada, but only with special cards. Usually they have purchase insurance. The basic cards are free.

    15. Re:Failed big time by VMaN · · Score: 1

      What country are you in?

    16. Re:Failed big time by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

      Ah right, I sit corrected. No minimum that I was affected by :)

      There's also the Farnell-owned CPC, which is a lot more open to consumers (they even have a recently expanded shop now in Preston that you can wander around and browse in) and I note that they're using the "register to express an interest" model for those who prefer that to pre-ordering.

    17. Re:Failed big time by l_bratch · · Score: 5, Informative

      Instead, they gave us company-orders only, minimum order amounts of €50, creditcard only and only to a select amount of countries.

      I've just ordered mine as an individual (not a company) for ~£25 (less than €50) using a debit card.

    18. Re:Failed big time by xaxa · · Score: 1

      I just preordered, and saw the same options. I'm in the UK.

      Are you in the Faroes? I stuck the order code 2081185 into the box on http://dk.farnell.com/ and it leads to a message "Bemærk: Farnell handler kun med virksomheder med et gyldigt CVR nummer, og alle indkøb betales via faktura." (companies with VAT number only?), which isn't the case on the UK site, which instead say to call for international orders. The UK web site only delivers to the UK, Guernsey and Jersey, but says you can email for international orders -- although the language implies large orders.

      Maybe try phoning.

    19. Re:Failed big time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop whining.

    20. Re:Failed big time by psergiu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      According to information gathered from the Twitter stream, the Raspberry Pi foundation was assured by both RS & Farnell that:
      - They have world-wide distribution;
      - Individual buyers (not companies) will be able to easily order one;
      - Their servers will hold.

      The failure is on the part of the big companies, not on the part of the "6 guys who mortaged their houses for founding" not-for-profit foundation.

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    21. Re:Failed big time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you in the UK?

    22. Re:Failed big time by l_bratch · · Score: 1

      Nope, Jersey.

    23. Re:Failed big time by jon3k · · Score: 1

      PayPal charges the vendors a fee which the vendors then add on to the product so you actually pay it. With paypal you just don't _think_ you're paying a fee. You should look at a credit card with no annual fee (most cards) and pay it off monthly. Or use a prepaid credit card.

    24. Re:Failed big time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, for many continental european countries is isn't possible to order as an individual from RS or Farnell.

    25. Re:Failed big time by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      They went with Premier Farnell as one of the suppliers. You can actually expect to have a presence of some sort in most of the "small countries" out of gate- and technically, you can't use PayPal legally from a country not on Farnell's list of distribution sources.

      As for the US...Newark, Premier Farnell's division in the US is supposed to be supplying the devices to the States and Canada- the pre-order page has a fubar on it right at the moment where they're charging a $20 fee to get it from Farnell first. The deal was such that most places would be able get the thing fairly easily and they'd be able to make vastly more of the boards than planned, with a consequence of the Model A's now getting 256Mb of RAM now.

      Don't forget...PayPal DOES charge vendors a fee for providing that service- which is similar to what many volume credit processors charge them. (PayPal can also play the role of a credit card clearinghouse for you- just so you know...)

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    26. Re:Failed big time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That part was great. So was doubling the RAM on the model A.

      The part that wasn't so great was the launch on the first batch. Between Raspberry Pi and those two mickey mouse retailers, it went horribly wrong in every conceivable way.

    27. Re:Failed big time by Svartalf · · Score: 2

      Uh, the initial target audience is NOT children (and Children would be buying through different channels in many cases- i.e. Schools would be buying these devices...) and more specifically, they're using Farnell- which is a major international electronics distributor (In the US and Canada, you know them as "Newark"...) and takes a substantive amount of that pain away.

      And...

      - PayPal being accessible to children is technically against the law.
      - PayPal costs the vendor nearly as much as a credit card would.
      - It's easier for the person buying, but not for the vendor using PayPal- it's about as obnoxious.

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    28. Re:Failed big time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pre-ordered one today, here in the US from Newerk - http://www.newark.com
      $35 + $20 (handling fee?) + tax and shipping ... even at that cost I still want my Raspberry Pi!!

    29. Re:Failed big time by Dan+Dankleton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the big problem is that they have been VERY open giving us the best information they had at the time.
      If they'd kept quiet, it would not have looked so bad.

      There's a difference between misinformation and things changing.

    30. Re:Failed big time by BenJury · · Score: 1

      Given you can only buy one, and the price of one is less than 50euros, I think you don't know what you're talking about. Nice trolling though.

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    31. Re:Failed big time by psergiu · · Score: 4, Informative

      You fail at reading the RPi forums:
      - 100 empty, unpopulated boards were manufactured. All had a bug. And components had to be hand-soldered.
      - The "official" Linux distro - Fedora - is being created by the Fedora guys. So all the delay faults lie with them, not the foundation.
      - The foundation is not the one at fault that the UK manufacturers are greedy and lazy
      - Yes, sh*t happens
      - I am from outside UK, in a 3rd world country and i bought one without issues
      - What's the HUB has to do with more RAM on the $25 model ?

      They are a 6-person not-for profit foundation - they don't have a hundred-person PR department & co. The launch for the C & D will be smoother :)

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    32. Re:Failed big time by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2

      Oh shit, no, you just hit it right on the head -- this is PERFECT for children.

      Throw a Qimo port onto the SD card and now you've got a stand-alone school-friendly PC that plugs into any TV. See, I've been trying to get Qimo into my kids' school but the IT folks don't like the idea of booting from USB. (Long story and their perogative.) If, on the other hand, I get a RPi and a little case from the local electronics shop, it's not a "computer" per se, it's a little educational TV box.

      Fucking brilliant man, nice.

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    33. Re:Failed big time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They promised worldwide delivery to all and the ability to use PayPal. Instead, they gave us company-orders only, minimum order amounts of €50, creditcard only and only to a select amount of countries.

      Don't promise want you can't deliver. Massive disappointment.

      Are you serious? They're not some huge business, they're a tiny non-profit who successfully brought a great product to market. I think we can cut them some slack for a bit of a rocky launch, especially since a lot of the problems were with their new partners not being prepared for this kind of niche product. Grow some patience.

    34. Re:Failed big time by Dan+East · · Score: 1

      That's all fine and well. However, I think that the foundation should have made an announcement about the change in distribution, the advantages of doing so, etc, first. Then a few days later actually announce the companies that would be selling and provide DIRECT urls to where the Pi could be purchased. The problem is that everyone, myself included, was expecting to buy direct from the raspberrypi.com (not .org) website. So it was the combination of a fundamental shift in distribution being announced at the same time as the devices going on sale (or preorder, or whatever it actually is). Not only was there a rush to buy, but to try and digest what the heck was going on and why it all changed and how to simply place an order.

      The problems were further compounded by the "we'll be making an announcement at so-and-so time" which caused everything to be hammered at an exact, predetermined time. I think they should have just made an announcement and not have given prior notice. At least there would have been a slight ramp up in traffic over an hour or two, instead of a literal DDOS timed down to the minute.

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    35. Re:Failed big time by Zebedeu · · Score: 1

      Actually Raspberry Pi's server held up pretty well.
      Granted, they only had to serve a static page, while the vendors didn't have that luxury.

      The bottom line is that RPi was expecting this and prepared for it.
      The retailers were smugly telling everyone who warned them that they were going to be DOS'ed, that their servers could take it no problem.
      Well, they underestimated the demand by a huge margin and got egg all over their faces.

    36. Re:Failed big time by PRMan · · Score: 1

      Credit cards also charge vendors, usually around 3%, although it can be as high as 5% or as low as 1½% or less. Where do you think they get the money for their points programs (where they typically give you less than 1% back) from?

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    37. Re:Failed big time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > and those two mickey mouse retailers

      I can assure you, RS and Farnell are major companies, similar in size and scope to digikey. this was huge.

    38. Re:Failed big time by mirix · · Score: 0

      - The foundation is not the one at fault that the UK manufacturers are greedy and lazy

      Bullshit. I could have told them it will cost more, possibly have higher lead time and / or less capacity in the UK. They knew bloody well the whole time it would end up being made in China.

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    39. Re:Failed big time by White+Flame · · Score: 1

      That is exactly the eventual market, as stated by the RPi foundation itself. The beginning/bootstrap market is hobbyists & hackers, both because they're willing to purchase something new like this and work with any quirks in the beginning, and gives the system some maturity in the OS and software base before more general release into the education system and retail.

    40. Re:Failed big time by psergiu · · Score: 1

      This being a high-profile project, they at least tried to get them manufactured in UK. If they went to China first, yes, we would had the boards on sale in January but everybody & their dog would had blamed the foundations for this.

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  3. Don't play automatically by unixisc · · Score: 5, Informative

    Can you not activate videos unless and until I click 'Play'? Not everybody has unlimited broadband

    1. Re:Don't play automatically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you not activate videos unless and until I click 'Play'? Not everybody has unlimited broadband

      Yeah, sure, no problem.
      We'll just start preloading it so when you do decide to press play, it'll work instantly on your slower and probably more costly connection!

    2. Re:Don't play automatically by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Funny

      They're going for the MySpace Experience. Next step is to add glitter to every page, change fonts mid-sentence and go with a rainbow-on-rainbow color scheme.

    3. Re:Don't play automatically by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      rainbow-on-rainbow color scheme.

      Could be worse...

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    4. Re:Don't play automatically by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Informative

      What you need is a thing called "flashblock" - it's available for all good browsers and doesn't cost a penny.

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    5. Re:Don't play automatically by BorgDrone · · Score: 1

      Can you not activate videos unless and until I click 'Play'? Not everybody has unlimited broadband

      Seems to me like you're trying to solve the wrong problem.

    6. Re:Don't play automatically by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      flashblock...

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    7. Re:Don't play automatically by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Noscript blocks it for me. I have to click on the placeholder to get it to load.

      If you're trying to reduce bandwidth usage you should use stuff like noscript and adblock plus.

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    8. Re:Don't play automatically by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Click to Flash is your friend.

      (or the appropriate plugin for your browser of choice).

      I think autoplay videos were at least as big of a reason for installing it as blocking flash adverts. I'll start the video when *I'm* ready thanks.

    9. Re:Don't play automatically by tepples · · Score: 1

      But then how does one solve the right problem, namely the high price per megabyte of Internet access in locations unserved by cable or DSL?

    10. Re:Don't play automatically by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 2

      I also have to ask WTF is it doing in Flash instead of WebM or Ogg.

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    11. Re:Don't play automatically by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Funny

      I present to you, the future of the web: http://yvettesbridalformal.com/

      Yes, it appears to be a legitimate business website. Check it out in the Internet Archive and you'll see it was once a professional website. I'm not sure what happened.

    12. Re:Don't play automatically by fnj · · Score: 2

      Maybe you mean NoScript. :-)

    13. Re:Don't play automatically by Yvan256 · · Score: 2

      My eyes! The goggles do nothing!

    14. Re:Don't play automatically by Howard+Beale · · Score: 1

      And they're bringing back the PONIES!!!!!!

    15. Re:Don't play automatically by u38cg · · Score: 3, Funny

      We tried that. Ponies. *Shudder*

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    16. Re:Don't play automatically by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Chrome and Opera even have built-in plug-in policy settings.

    17. Re:Don't play automatically by lexa1979 · · Score: 1

      installed it a few months ago, because I complained about the facebook button, I confirm NoScript is plain perfect !

    18. Re:Don't play automatically by EvilIdler · · Score: 2

      Or at least a YouTube video, which the appropriate extensions replace with your preferred video format if available! Embedded Flash self-hosted (or anywhere with only Flash as a video option) is a terrible idea these days.

    19. Re:Don't play automatically by Kamineko · · Score: 1

      Damn video shot right through Flashblock AND YesScript.

      It's a fucking menace. What are you playing at Slashdot?

    20. Re:Don't play automatically by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      I really, really, REALLY hope the person who did that was drunk, high and totally, completely blind!

    21. Re:Don't play automatically by JuicyBrain · · Score: 2

      Looked at the website
      Felt dizzy
      Vomited on my keyboard

      I'm pretty sure this website could be weaponized !

    22. Re:Don't play automatically by dietdew7 · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you view that website while playing 'Dark Side of the Moon', it totally syncs up.

    23. Re:Don't play automatically by PaladinAlpha · · Score: 1

      You have no idea how nostalgic that makes me feel. I miss the days of the (relatively) innocent, slightly awkward Windows 3.1 options ("Hotdog Stand", indeed), After Dark icons and Starry Night, 8.3 filenames (IMPORTNT.DOC), and even those little silly system menu controls. There wasn't any depth effects on menus, just color inversion. Sigh, I feel old.

      Sometimes I look around at the modern desktop and I wonder when did we lose it? When did it become so ... processed? We've gained a lot, but ... at some point the old computers "grew up", and I miss the little tykes.

    24. Re:Don't play automatically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And don't forget the Microsoft Bob icon at the bottom...

    25. Re:Don't play automatically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I present to you, the future of the web: http://yvettesbridalformal.com/

      Yes, it appears to be a legitimate business website. Check it out in the Internet Archive and you'll see it was once a professional website. I'm not sure what happened.

      Schizophrenia, perhaps? The craziest-looking websites often seem to have the craziest people behind them. Timecube is a famous example, but there's thousands of others.

    26. Re:Don't play automatically by Threni · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you've got it backwards. It should autonotplay, and you should have to get a plugin (or change a Slashdot preference) to provide the autoplay functionality. Autoplay is like a phone defaulting to automatically answering an incoming call regardless of whether you actually want to speak to the other party (yet).

    27. Re:Don't play automatically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      come on....
      http://www.dokimos.org/ajff/

    28. Re:Don't play automatically by xororand · · Score: 1

      Ironically, you couldn't even watch this video on the actual Raspberry Pi because Adobe doesn't produce their Flash player for it.
      I criticize this issue regularly and get modded down for alleged trolling.
      My bet is that someone at Slashdot is friends with or co-owns Ooyala, the media hosting company behind this tragedy.
      Fortunately Ooyala is doomed to fail if they don't change their ways. Less and less Internet browsing devices are capable of executing Flash blobs.

    29. Re:Don't play automatically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah 3.1 the good old days.

    30. Re:Don't play automatically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That actually looks painful to code.

    31. Re:Don't play automatically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      heheheheh.

      That is true. Not everybody has unlimited broadband.

      LOL

    32. Re:Don't play automatically by tuck3r · · Score: 0

      To me this is the most annoying thing on websites. Closely followed by drop down ads that block the screen... I should just use Lynx all the time...

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  4. Electronics supplier DDoS by damburger · · Score: 4, Informative

    They went on sale this morning, and almost immediately downed the websites of two large electronics suppliers (RS and Farnell). By the time I had got to work, the sites were back up but that is largely because they didn't have anymore Raspberry Pis to sell.

    That is the kind of reception that Apple wishes the iPad 3 would get (although it probably won't.)

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    1. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by PremiumCarrion · · Score: 1

      To be fair to apple though (and I hate doing this :) they probably have enough server capacity to deal with the flood that the RasPi has generated.
      I'm also sad that I couldn't order mine, up at 4am and nearly broke my f5 [script].

    2. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The iPad3 will sellout within minutes, their shops will be overrun, their servers are probably not shit and can handle a lot.

    3. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by docilespelunker · · Score: 5, Funny

      Today I wanted a phase locked loop chip from Farnell. Could I get onto the site to look it up? No... Seems the world wants a router that's had it's wings clipped and a DVI port nailed to the top.

    4. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by Mathness · · Score: 1

      ...the sites were back up but that is largely because they didn't have anymore Raspberry Pis to sell.

      People sure do buy some freaky stuff on the net. o_O

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    5. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Yeah I'm sure RS and Farnell have much more server capacity than Apple.

    6. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by Alrescha · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "That is the kind of reception that Apple wishes the iPad 3 would get (although it probably won't.)"

      The delusional noise that comes out of certain dark corners of the universe never ceases to amaze me.

      A.

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    7. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by docilespelunker · · Score: 2

      I retract this comment, it's an HDMI port and it looks like they used solder.

    8. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by petermgreen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The hardware is actually based on a mobile phone SOC, not a router SOC. That means more memory and a GPU but it also means the ethernet is stuck behind USB.

      I agree though that even given the fact it's less than half the price of the cheapest comparable linux board i've previously seen (the beaglebone) the buzz round the thing is still insane.

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    9. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by friesandgravy · · Score: 1

      Laughter is good. Thank-you.

    10. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously? Yeah, because Farnell and RS have server farms just as big as Apple's. Just quit the mindless bashing and start thinking before commenting already. No wonder this website is going down the drain.

    11. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is at least three orders of magnitude below the kind of reception that Apple wishes the iPad 3 would get.

    12. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by grqb · · Score: 1

      Seems the world wants a router that's had it's wings clipped and a DVI port nailed to the top.

      Actually this is exactly what I want. I need something like an Asus RTN16, but cheaper. The Raspberry Pi seems to fit this bill quite nicely.

    13. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by trevc · · Score: 1

      If Apple sells the iPad 3 for $35 they probably will get the same reception..

    14. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by jones_supa · · Score: 2

      That is the kind of reception that Apple wishes the iPad 3 would get (although it probably won't.)

      From the Raspberry Pi Twitter feed I today read that the Raspberry Pi had been ranked higher than iPad 3 by search engines in terms of news with most buzz.

    15. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by Rich0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, when you think about it this unit has the potential to be a one-size-fits-all solution for numerous problems. The cost is starting to approach the chip in a toaster and yet the thing can do anything a PC can do (sans horsepower), but potentially do it while running on a few AA batteries worth of juice. Anybody who makes kiosks, DVRs, in-car entertainment, or even cheap PCs should be looking at this.

    16. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by yahwotqa · · Score: 1

      Less ethernet ports, though. I have RTN16 and love it. :)

    17. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by damburger · · Score: 1

      The buzz is because of the very low price, and its educational design objective. This is aimed, in part, at children who want to learn computers (properly I mean, not the crap they teach you about spreadsheets in school.)

      As you point out, this is mobile-phone-like hardware; but that potentially means that an inventive teenager could use it as the basis of a homemade mobile-phone-like device.

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    18. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by boley1 · · Score: 1

      I think your forgot the sarcasm tag. :-)

    19. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree though that even given the fact it's less than half the price of the cheapest comparable linux board i've previously seen (the beaglebone) the buzz round the thing is still insane.

      It's not simply a linux board. It's a full-featured, power-efficient desktop computer which costs less than 35 euros a pop, and this in a world where any equivalent product tends to be sold for around 10 times that amount.

      It is also an actual computer which hobbyists can use in any hobbyist project instead of feeble microcontrollers which the cheapest model is sold for 3 to 5 times the price.

      And it is still inexpensive when bought in bulk, which means that it opens the door for hobbyists and cash-strapped organizations to venture into cool distributed projects, such as ad-hoc wireless networks and swarm robotics

      So, the buzz is quite understandable. It's only a shame that the people behind the project keep fumbling some stuff, and that some specific project members are incredibly arrogant and rude.

    20. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by bgspence · · Score: 1

      Apple dreams of the day they could sell 10000 units of a new product in single morning.

      And the amount of buzz, if only they could get the press interested...

    21. Re:Electronics supplier DDoS by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      It's not simply a linux board

      I'd disagree there.

      It's a full-featured, power-efficient desktop computer

      No more so than many other arm linux boards are, yes you can run it as a desktop but you can do that with other arm linux boards as well provided they have video output. Heck they don't even include the SD card that is required to boot the thing. Also would you really want a desktop with only 224 megabytes of usable ram?

      Also note that the Pi only comes with the board iself, PSU and storage are both extras (on most arm linux boxes i've dealt with at least storage is included and sometimes PSU too).

      this in a world where any equivalent product tends to be sold for around 10 times that amount.

      It's not as much as 10x unless you are comparing products that are far from comparable.

      When I looked at farnell earlier today IIRC they were listing the pi at arround £26, other arm boards i've looked at are nowhere near 10 times that. They range from just over twice the price of a Pi for a board that is better than the Pi in some ways and worse in others (beaglebone which afaict has a better processor, the same memory, more GPIO but no HDMI port) to arround 5x the price of a pi for a board that is far better than the Pi (panda or imx.53 quickstart).

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  5. Donators might have to wait? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Informative

    So... Those who donated to the project prior to completion have to wait for their boards while the folk who order direct get them shipped first?

    I can't help but think that this is a giant "fuck you, revenue comes first" to those who believed in the project from the start. Yeah, even charities have to pay their staff, and I understand that, and I hope I've just misunderstood. Otherwise, poor form guys.

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    1. Re:Donators might have to wait? by jwijnands · · Score: 1

      Yes, you got screwed and without lube too!

    2. Re:Donators might have to wait? by neokushan · · Score: 1

      Who donated to the project?

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    3. Re:Donators might have to wait? by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      They do need to make a profit but I think the whole raspberry pi process has been a bit of a cock-up I can't say I would have done better but I think they made some poor decisions along the way and the happy attitude didn't help after hearing about delay after delay. I wish them success and I will buy one but the enthusiasm for it has worn off some time ago and I don't mind waiting a couple months for things to die down.

    4. Re:Donators might have to wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been following the project for a while now. Who are these people who have donated to the project that you speak of? I've not seen any mention of them. Can you link to details?

    5. Re:Donators might have to wait? by psergiu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I did.
      By buying the Raspberry Pi stickers. They said they were overpriced (thus they considered those money to be a donation). I say they were fair-priced. And they sent me 6 instead of the 3 i ordered.
      I don't expect any favours for this.
      I'm sad i didn't "donate" more as they are now out of stickers and i don't think they will sell them again (each were indivdualy cut and packaged by the members of the foundation)

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    6. Re:Donators might have to wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were very specific about the fact that they did not take pre-orders. The quote was something along the lines of "We don't want your money until we have something to give you"

    7. Re:Donators might have to wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What part of "donated" don't you understand? It wouldn't be a donation if they were expecting something in return.

      They even said they don't accept pre-orders. Wow... lrn2 Reading Comprehension.

    8. Re:Donators might have to wait? by anwe79 · · Score: 1

      How did parent get score "5, informative"? A donation in my world is where you give something without expecting something in return. Your world may differ...

    9. Re:Donators might have to wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I don't expect any favours for this."

      BS.

      They clearly stated buying stickers helped their project revenue, tested their shop, mailing times, allowed people to create accounts, to prep for the board release.

      Then they turned around and fubar'd that, with no pre-announcement, by going the licensing route, that was a complete catastrophe. The one site wasn't even selling boards and still isn't. Complete freaking waste of time, and they screwed over contributors.

  6. Didn't really work as planned tho. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Unfortunately it didn't really work out as planned. Farnell and RS was DDoSed a long time from 6 am to about 12. And there is still problems for people outside the UK to buy the rasp. I'm in Sweden and Farnells liks to the pre-order does not have Sweden in it's list. RS on the other hand requires a company to "express an interest in raspberry" (it says nothing about pre-order). So even now when the sites is working again I'm still unable to order a Rasp.

    This makes me wonder why they didn't team up with a firm that is known globally and can handle traffic like e-bay or amazon?

    1. Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      fleabay would insist on people using paypal... and amazon would want a ridiculous cut of the price...

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    2. Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I'm pissed about this. I stayed up so I could order, and got through to RS. They had an 'express your interest' page, which I thought would be like a preorder. I was expecting to receive an email where I could order: nothing.

      There was no indication that the DDoS'd farnell had anything different. Now I find out that that site actually was taking preorders. What a disorganized mess.

    3. Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      or dx. there's going to be a clone there in a month anyways.

      and those who already donated and paid.. well of course you'll wait for longer! you're already a guaranteed customer. same goes for people who signed up to be emailed when it's available, you'll be emailed when they got surplus stock they'll need to get rid of..

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    4. Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. by BorgDrone · · Score: 1

      This makes me wonder why they didn't team up with a firm that is known globally and can handle traffic like e-bay or amazon?

      Because Farnell and RS deal in electronics, they not only sell the Raspberry Pi's, they also produce them.

    5. Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. by jwijnands · · Score: 1

      This makes me wonder why they didn't team up with a firm that is known globally and can handle traffic like e-bay or amazon?

      Because Farnell and RS deal in electronics, they not only sell the Raspberry Pi's, they also produce them.

      Yeah.. that makes it a very good sales channel for a product that has attracted tons of interest from people outside the electronics communities.

    6. Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. by vlm · · Score: 2

      or dx. there's going to be a clone there in a month anyways.

      The concept of clone is inappropriate since they've release gerbers and BoM and all that. Its a clone the same way two 6-32 machine screws that came off different yet identical screw machines are "clones".

      They chopped the main site and put up a single page static site to handle the load, if they had not, I'd be including a link to the gerber files etc. You two can become a raspberry pi manufacturer.

      My experience with dx is that it might be clone like in that it'll probably have inferior parts on the same PCB. I haven't checked the rasp-pi BoM but a reasonable working V spec for a tantalum capacitor on a 3.3 volt power bus might be, say, 16 volts, so that no matter how you F up your power connections at least you won't have to replace all the caps, even if you do have to replace the chips. It only costs a few pennies more. But I almost guarantee the dx clone would be assembled with the cheapest imaginable 4 volt rated caps for the 3.3 volt lines, and that will work.. for a little while... most of the time... Or they'll cheap out and use something with a much higher ESR so its noisier and somewhat less reliable around RF (like stepper motors switching on and off might crash a clone due to power glitches and a "real one" might not notice, or your bluetooth range isn't what it should be, etc)

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    7. Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Hopefully DX will have multiple clones at differing qualities, this happens sometimes :)

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    8. Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Well, Amazon would be great for selling the thing (no doubt they could easily handle the load), but they don't actually make anything.

      So, instead of a website that says "register interest" with no way to buy one, you'd have a nice Amazon site with reviews from people who don't have one yet, lots of pictures, and a big sold out and a dimmed-out buy button.

      It isn't like Amazon can sell unmanufactured product.

    9. Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. by Svartalf · · Score: 1

      Premier Farnell? Not known globally? Boy, are you off in left field. (In the US? Canada? Premier Farnell's known as "Newark"...)

      As for handling traffic...uh, I think only e-Bay or Amazon has the capacity to have shrugged off this sort of thing- and the distributors are the ones making the boards from here on out, and Amazon's not geared up for it and e-Bay's not either. I don't think there was a player on the planet that could've handled this right from end-to-end with the demand/load presented. Amazon might've handled the crowd crush- but they don't do electronics distribution and aren't set up to help do hardware support, etc. e-Bay's the same story and requires you be the "store" that does fulfillment. As it stands, Farnell should've been ready for the abuse they saw- they should be used to something similar to this because of who they are. "Surprised" and "shocked" is the best words to describe what went down here in their case.

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    10. Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. by chispito · · Score: 3, Informative

      or dx. there's going to be a clone there in a month anyways.

      and those who already donated and paid.. well of course you'll wait for longer! you're already a guaranteed customer. same goes for people who signed up to be emailed when it's available, you'll be emailed when they got surplus stock they'll need to get rid of..

      Don't expect clones. There's no magical board design to save costs or increase the power/utility here. What makes this unique is the RP foundation got Broadcom to sell them a cell phone chip at cost. I don't think you'll see anyone else getting those chips for those prices.

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    11. Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. by rob5150 · · Score: 2

      when HP used their ebay store site to liquidate the Touchpads.... it went down too

    12. Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. by BenJury · · Score: 1

      And how much would Amazon demand in return for listing it?

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    13. Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At one point just Farnell was getting 600 hits/enquiries/purchases requests per second on RaspberryPi. Not sure how many sites can withstand that sort of load over the 10's of minutes it was happening

    14. Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. by nadaou · · Score: 1

      > This makes me wonder why they didn't team up with a firm
      > that is known globally and can handle traffic

      umm, outside the USA those companies are the equivalent and size of DigiKey. Not small outfits. I am pleasantly dumbfounded that they got slashdotted by this release.

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    15. Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. by akc · · Score: 1

      For a few seconds at exactly 6:am I had up a page at RS that let you order the pi - not express an interest but actually order. I already had an account with them, but by the time I had checked up what my account details were the whole site had gone done.

      The press release by Farnell talks about 600 people trying to order a second. If they split the first batch 50/50 then in slightly under 10 seconds Farnell would have sold out. No doubt RS was the same.

      So its not surprising that by 1 minute past 6, all you could do is be put in a queue for the next batch.

    16. Re:Didn't really work as planned tho. by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      oh so they're a charity?

      maybe clones won't have broadcom chip then. however, adding "cost" to it would be adding the profit margin of say 30-40% to the chip part, which wouldn't raise the cost that much honestly, bigger thing is getting the chips in the first place and broadcom not selling their yields to a phone manufacturer.

      anyways, I'd count as a clone even if it has a different soc, if it is marketed towards the same market, raspberry itself being also a clone of similar products anyhow.

      but what's stopping a chinese factory looking at the demand for this, seeing that they have trouble dealing with the volume, calling up rockchip for some cheap chips and putting them on a board? seems like a no brainer. they already do that but add a screen and sell them for 80 bucks, once they see that there could be demand for a screenless arm computer they will do it sooner or later (though maybe they'll just squeeze couple of bucks off from devices like this http://www.dealextreme.com/p/android-1080p-media-player-w-av-usb-sd-hdmi-rj45-ports-blue-103331 , of course there's no gpio ports exposed.. this not being even the cheapest. damn, damn damn now I'll have to order something from dx).

      http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/28/fuzhou-rockchip-announces-rk30-for-the-budget-tablets-of-today/

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  7. Pissed off with Farnell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    At 6am the "buy" link on Farnell redirected to a "register interest" page, not a pre-order page, where I logged in with my existing Farnell account and "registered interest". Three minutes later their webserver melted.

    There is now an oversubscribed pre-order page.

    RS seem to be handing this the right way and their "register interest" is first come first served and will help them catch the scalpers and jokers trying to place multiple orders.

    Guess it serves me right for being a loyal Farnell customer.

    Well, guess what Farnell? I'm your worst fucking nightmare. As an EE designing medium volume products built in the UK, every bill of materials I write for the rest of my working life will include as few Farnell part numbers as is humanly possible.

    1. Re:Pissed off with Farnell by DrXym · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Stop being such a whiny self-centred crybaby. Do you really think they intended their servers to crash like this? FFS, just wait a few days and register your interest then. I assume the Raspberry Pi will produced in numbers to meet demand for a long time to come and it will be simple enough to obtain one.

    2. Re:Pissed off with Farnell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For mishandling the launch of a £22 gadget that you're interested in playing with, you'll attempt to destroy the current and future professional relationships they have with company you work for?

      I think we've found a new definition for vindictive!

      Overreact much?

    3. Re:Pissed off with Farnell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't agree with the other poster's tone, but he's right in spirit. The RPi teamed burned a lot of people's plans, expectations, and time and effort. They might be a 6 person team, but they knew tens of thousands (by the hits to their site prelaunch, by the store, by the forum interest, the distro downloads themselves were huge), and seems more, were watching their activity and project. They built people's expectations and involvement up with "testing" the store, pre-announcing the order, citing a short order window (not announcing the next batch), then they freaking handed it off (a surprise in itself) and then pretend to wash their hands of it, when it was their responsibility to make sure the distributors of their choosing were at least prepared, linked, with accurate info.

      And they don't get that it was them that worked everyone up. Then they pretend it was someone else's fault. It wasn't. It was their handling that led to this.

      Don't create a store, ask people to test, then bail on it.

      Don't create a limited first run, then say they don' t know when they might get more in, thus creating a chokepoint and driving up demand.

      Don't make a preannouncement of pre-orders, then have one distributor not even selling, and none of the distributors even linked or prepared. Hell, how do you even put up an announcement like this, back-channel the licensing, and not even have product pages available from your (for now) exclusive licensees?

      Don't go on camera, on news, on twitter, mouthing off that it's not your fault, when people are wasting their time and effort to buy something you built the situation up for.

      Don't ask for PR, for involvement, then throw up excuses that you're a small team. The announcement itself was read by tens of thousands, was responded to over 450 posts in a matter of a couple of hours. Think people.

      And then to get chipper, or not communicate it, or call people trolls for pointing how you bungled this so freaking ass completely.

      All in all, you don't burn tens of thousands of people's time and effort like that and expect to get away with it scott free. Sorry. For the positive spin on the numbers and interest by the RPi folks, they seem completely oblivious that the correlated time and energy wasted by them on this as well.

      A little common sense, and planning, and communication, would have gone a LONG way here. To play on the excuses (small team, non-profit, couldn't expect this), works to a limited extent, until you look at the whole of what they did, then you can see the massive failure of this launch.

      Worse, don't confuse continued good will by many to the project as an excuse that what they did here was okay. They really did set this up to fail, however well-intentioned from the start, as they didn't continue through properly. I don't see how someone's major blunders, ignorance, and mishandling of resources and communication that wasted tens of thousands of man hours deserves an extra extension of profession courtesy. It was really freaking stupid of the RPi team, and they deserve the heat they are receiving.

  8. Ordered mine by psergiu · · Score: 3, Informative

    Managed to order mine from Farnell this morning. Took almost a whole hour of refreshes & timeouts considering that i already had an account on their site. RS Online did not accepted any orders, they only have a "register for updates" page.

    The DDoS of the Farnell & RS-Online servers caused by the announcement was massive (and still is for Farnell).

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    1. Re:Ordered mine by cerberusss · · Score: 4, Funny

      Managed to order mine from Farnell this morning. Took almost a whole hour of refreshes & timeouts considering that i already had an account on their site.

      I know for a fact that electronics engineers make lousy software developers. You better pray that your "whole hour of refreshes" didn't get you 3600 Raspberry Pis.

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    2. Re:Ordered mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Managed to order mine from Farnell's Singapore site, to be delivered in Singapore (to a friend who will then re-send it to me in Australia). It wasn't clear whether they had stock or not at the time of order, but the invoice states an expected delivery next week. The website now states an expected time of 38 days for new orders.
      I wasn't thrilled to having shipping applied only after final confirmation to proceed with the order. This is a gripe with Farnell rather than Raspberry Pi.

    3. Re:Ordered mine by psergiu · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Limit of one per person" - reportedly people who ordered 2 or more on the Farnell site received an invoice for a single one (for the cost of a single one). So at least Farnell got that right.

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    4. Re:Ordered mine by burningcpu · · Score: 1

      Do you mean 3614 Pis?

    5. Re:Ordered mine by White+Flame · · Score: 1

      My stack of old Motorola 68k manuals can attest to that exact situation.

    6. Re:Ordered mine by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      Do you mean 3614 Pis?

      Hehheh :-) clever one.

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  9. Is it too much to ask by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is it too much to ask that the poster explain what rasberry pi is in the first damn sentence?

    No common sense in how to communicate a story.

    1. Re:Is it too much to ask by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Funny

      Given the amount of "rasberry pi" articles that there have been lately, also the availability of google (which will tell you in three clicks) it's not necessary. Are we supposed to start every hard disk story with an explanation of what a hard disk is as well?

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    2. Re:Is it too much to ask by neokushan · · Score: 4, Informative

      You mean you've managed to miss all of the Slashdot stories thus far?

      http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/02/21/1324246/get-a-glimpse-at-the-raspberry-pi-fedora-remix?utm_source=feedburnerGoogle+Reader&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+(Slashdot)&utm_content=Google+Reader
      http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/02/13/2147203/despite-media-confusion-raspberry-pi-boards-still-on-schedule?utm_source=feedburnerGoogle+Reader&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+(Slashdot)&utm_content=Google+Reader
      http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/02/07/0332248/first-run-of-raspberry-pi-boards-to-be-completed-feb-20th?utm_source=feedburnerGoogle+Reader&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+(Slashdot)&utm_content=Google+Reader
      http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/01/31/203229/why-the-raspberry-pi-wont-ship-in-kit-form?utm_source=feedburnerGoogle+Reader&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+(Slashdot)&utm_content=Google+Reader
      http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/01/25/1543239/xbmc-running-on-raspberry-pi?utm_source=feedburnerGoogle+Reader&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+(Slashdot)&utm_content=Google+Reader
      http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/01/17/0014220/raspberry-pi-25-linux-computer-now-in-production-video?utm_source=feedburnerGoogle+Reader&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+(Slashdot)&utm_content=Google+Reader
      http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/01/11/1332222/british-schoolchildren-to-get-programming-lessons?utm_source=feedburnerGoogle+Reader&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+(Slashdot)&utm_content=Google+Reader
      http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/01/09/1413253/raspberry-pi-gertboard-in-action?utm_source=feedburnerGoogle+Reader&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+(Slashdot)&utm_content=Google+Reader

      That's just this year.

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    3. Re:Is it too much to ask by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only there was a way to search for information and terms you are unfamiliar with. Someone should write something like that.

    4. Re:Is it too much to ask by Chatsubo · · Score: 2

      Please return your Geek card for a full refund.

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  10. Y'all gonna hate on me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I completed my order 15 minutes after they opened the floodgates. :)

    Will order another couple when the supply stabilizes in a few months

  11. Re:I love the new business model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    You know, apart from the 10 they sold via E-Bay, this whole project has been a self funded "Not For Profit" charity...??

    They activity REFUSED to do pre-orders (and accept money), stating that they would only take money once they had the physical devices in their hands in the UK.

    They said it would be a world wide release and all profits would be out back in to building the net batch.

  12. Major disappointment to say the least. by jwijnands · · Score: 5, Informative

    A scene in a living room in the Netherlands, just finishing my second cup of coffee...The Raspberrypi.org site displayed a cryptic message late yesterday which trigger a change notification email to me. This morning it has been down.
    0700 CET, I hit refresh, again. Suddenly the raspberrypi.org site is alive again.


    Huh, who are these Premier Farnell and RS Components companies? I'd expected these in the store on raspberry.com.

    Ah well...

    Farnell crashes in the first 90 seconds and stays down. RS has a few international sites that occasionally show signs of live. The Raspberry Pi is listed for 27,49 excluding tax. Including tax that $25-$35 computer suddenly sells for $42,50. Ah well.. oh, and 6 euros shipping ex tax. Hm, site crashes again. Hang on, they don't really want to deliver to consumers when an order is less than 50 euros.
    Farnell has now been visited by some people and this company is at least as bad. In quite a few countries it seems not to do business with consumers at all.
    At almost 1000 I finally manage to stay on a site long enough to actually click something into the basket. By then the feeble stocks have long been depleted.

    What I wonder...
    - why work with distributors who do NOT want to sell to private individuals?
    - why work with consumers who are obviously unwilling or unable to handle a sizeable traffic load?
    - Why such a small batch of boards in the first place?


    Disappointing all around. I'm sure I'll get one sooner or later but I'm not going to pay a fortune for one.

    1. Re:Major disappointment to say the least. by amaupin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agreed.

      I expected a neat and tidy order form on raspberrypi.org. Instead, I'm directed to search the homepage of two UK electronics retailers for the Raspberry Pi and follow the normal checkout process. At just a fraction of a second after launch, one retailer is completely down and the other is only showing a form collecting names and addresses of people interested in buying the RP - no actual checkout process. Soon it goes down, too.

      Following Twitter, it seems one retailer won't start selling the RP until later this week, and the other won't even ship to many international or non-corporate buyers. The Raspberry Pi people are just as in the dark as the rest of us, and it's up to random folks calling the retailers in question to gather this info.

      I really respect what the Raspberry Pi Foundation are doing, but they bungled this launch. Yes, their own site was prepared for the traffic, but when you partner with idiots and fail to guarantee those incompetents can hold to promises you made, it does reflect a bit on your own abilities.

    2. Re:Major disappointment to say the least. by psergiu · · Score: 1

      $35 + Netherlands VAT of 19% = $41.65
      You are complaining for 85 cents (which are surely from UKP-EURO floating exchange rates) ?

      I should be the one to complain that i lost over one Euro on the excange rate to RON in the Farnell Romania store, that my VAT is 24% and shipping is more expensive. But i won't complain and i ordered one.

      It was a great idea from the part of the Raspberry Pi foundation, too bad that RS & Farnell underestimated the demand (even after warned by the foundation).

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    3. Re:Major disappointment to say the least. by s0litaire · · Score: 1

      As for the price, they did say it was without local tax and shipping costs, as it was being sold worldwide.
      The price without TAX is probably what it will be sold at, in bulk, to education establishments rather than individuals.

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    4. Re:Major disappointment to say the least. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's very good psergiu - but the fact remains that it's impossible to order a Rasperry Pi *at any price* from RS or Farnell in The Netherlands (or Denmark, or Sweden) if you are a private individual.

    5. Re:Major disappointment to say the least. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      they blamed lack of funds for small batch. i look at kickstarter and the ability to raise huge quantities of money with little to no effort and i have to question the logic of the people who are involved in the project.

      indi game developers are raising MILLIONS just for the IDEA of some new games. they have a real product with demos and huge interest, how much money could they have raised?

    6. Re:Major disappointment to say the least. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I signed up on the raspberry pi mailing list several weeks ago to be informed that they were for sale. I'm still waiting for the email...

    7. Re:Major disappointment to say the least. by psergiu · · Score: 1

      Same in the Romania store - i just entered my name again in the "Company" field and zeroes whenever asked for other numbers. The order went through, got the confirmation, even called to confirm and they told me it's okay.

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    8. Re:Major disappointment to say the least. by psergiu · · Score: 1

      Kickstarer projects can only be opened by companies or individuals having an account in a US bank. The Raspberry Pi foundation is UK-based.

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    9. Re:Major disappointment to say the least. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The answer to question is just a guess. They didn't take their time for a proper negotiation.

      But the third question is answered quite easily: Money. They're a charity and planned to use the money of the first 10k batch to finance the 2nd which will finance the third etc. With the new manufacturers however this is not necessary anymore as they build on demand. So you will get your Pi earlier than you would have if they had not changed their ways.

  13. Model A vs Model B by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Informative

    This seems to have gotten lost in the commotion, but they also announced that the $25 Model A will be produced with the same amount of RAM as the $35 Model B (256 MB). Originally the Model A was only going to have 128 MB, so now the only difference is the Model B has an ethernet port. The Model A is going into production immediately.

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    1. Re:Model A vs Model B by PremiumCarrion · · Score: 2

      The model B also has 2 USB (instead of 1) ports.

    2. Re:Model A vs Model B by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Strictly speaking; the SoC on both(being, after all, the same part, now even with the same PoP RAM option) has 1 USB port. The model B has an SMSC LAN9512 chip attached to the SoC's USB port, which is a single-chip USB-ethernet and USB hub part, providing one ethernet port and 2 USB ports. The A has just the SoC port with nothing downstream...

      Makes me wish I'd picked up a few more of those now-fallen-out-of-favor USB 'docking stations' when Microcenter was blowing them out for $8... As a standalone part, the B is a trivially better product, $10 seems a trifle high for just the LAN9512 and connectors; but a USB hub and ethernet dongle will be uglier, and both for under $10 will be a bit tricky. Connected to a USB docking station, though...

    3. Re:Model A vs Model B by Howard+Beale · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At this point, why even have the Model A? If anything scrap the A and make a 'C' model: 512 MB RAM, and wireless.

    4. Re:Model A vs Model B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Trifling over $10? I'd be hard pressed to find labor to attach a USB & ethernet port to anything for $10/unit, even if the parts were free. Sure, you can get it done at Foxconn for $0.10, but given a choice, I'd rather not live there.

    5. Re:Model A vs Model B by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      As I said, the Model B is clearly the way to go, I'm just a touch surprised that(now that RAM is the same) just the LAN9512 and connectors/passives adds $10. I'm no expert; but I'd previously assumed that a modest chunk of that $10 was the 128MB of whatever low-power RAM flavor the BCM part prefers to talk to.

      For any sort of serious use, or for standalone applications, the B is clearly superior; but since(purely as a hobbyist) I already have some old USB 'docking' peripherals kicking around, I might grab an A to use with them.

    6. Re:Model A vs Model B by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 2

      It's a near-universal in manufacturing that the increased labour/stock-management costs of maintaining differentiated hardware generally wipe out the savings of the cheaper components. This is why the controllers on many high-end consumer cameras are identical to those of their commercial cousins, hence all the hacks that give the consumer the commercial UI, with all its extra tweaks and controls.

      Farnell and RS will simply have decided that the decreased production-line and stock-chain complexity of having two near-identical SoCs wipes out the benefit of having a slightly cheaper SoC in the cheaper model. Particularly given that in this case everyone expects the cheaper model to be in less demand....

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    7. Re:Model A vs Model B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think that 512-1024mb of ram would work much better in a video playback/streaming device, and wireless would add a lot more value for those actually wanting to build something out of these, instead of just a project kit. Also, pre-manufactured plastic cases would be nice too, but this is very early, and I do understand.

    8. Re:Model A vs Model B by BenJury · · Score: 1

      As it's perfect for the educational purposes it was designed for.

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    9. Re:Model A vs Model B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the Slashdot Admin staff (names have been removed to protect the innocent) requesting the return of your Geek Card(tm).

      Its B+ next followed by Master!

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    10. Re:Model A vs Model B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I imagine since the price point were already set that they'll just have a bit more profit on the model-Bs which will go to the Raspberry Pi Foundation to continue their work.

    11. Re:Model A vs Model B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hang on, they improve the model A and you think they should scrap it since it is now too similar to the model B. I don't quite see your logic here.

      These were designed for educational purposes. Now $10 might not seem like a lot to you, but when you are buying 1000 it adds up, so now the question on which model to buy boils down to "do we need on-board ethernet?" and you don't have to worry if 128MB RAM will be enough since both will now have 256MB.

      I want to see an improved version as much as you, but you can't forget the reasons behind the Pi, and it being available to us geeks is just a bonus, although I'm sure they'll be improved versions in due course, though apart from a RAM upgrade*, perhaps not until the SoC is EOL'ed.

      *I believe the SoC is limited to 512MB so don't expect more than that, but I could be wrong.

    12. Re:Model A vs Model B by bluescrn · · Score: 1

      The A is a bit too limited by having just one USB port (keyboard *or* mouse), really. If you also need a USB hub... you might as well buy the B. But a C model, with wifi... yes please!

  14. Re:Ordered mine (due April) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I also managed to get one ordered from Farnell. A few refreshes etc (about half an hour). It's due 16th April (was informed via an email with "Urgent Order Information". Be interesting to see if everyone has the same due date.

  15. Stolen credit cards by tepples · · Score: 1

    That must be the first time I've ever heard of someone wanting to use PayPal. In what way does it beat credit cards issued by reputable banks

    PayPal does some level of fraud detection. I work for a company that develops the shopping cart software used by an RC car shop, and there were a bunch of Indonesians that used stolen European credit cards and international mail forwarding services to order expensive ready-to-run vehicles. All this fraud came through the credit card payment flow, not the PayPal payment flow.

  16. Find a dealer near you by tepples · · Score: 1

    You had to realise to find a retailer that sells ("retails"...) stuff from the distributors.

    Would it have been so hard for a distributor to add a "Consumers: Find a dealer near you" button?

    1. Re:Find a dealer near you by mug+funky · · Score: 2

      adding that button would be a simple matter, but i suspect that once it's clicked something would have to happen which would be the hard part.

  17. Re:Tommorow's headline... by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 2

    How about we dedicate a story to every time Microsoft writes a line of code in Windows?

    I'd be far more interested to know when they remove a line of code.



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  18. Re:I love the new business model by Canazza · · Score: 1

    actually, they don't have any at the retailers, they're still not in stock. So technically this is pre-ordering, albeit with some kind of guarantee of what you get.

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  19. Re:I love the new business model by xaxa · · Score: 5, Informative

    These guys have figured out how to get people to just GIFT them money to develop the product, which they can then sell at a huge profit, that they can keep for themselves.

    They are a charity registered as such in England.

    You can see their accounts (presented to the British Government) here: http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithoutPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1129409&SubsidiaryNumber=0 (but it seems, as they have had a turnover of less than £10000 so far, they don't need to file detailed accounts).

  20. Disappointed although not very. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rather disappointed with Farnell. I mainly order through them because I find RS inflexible. In this case though, Farnell lose on two points - first their web serving is dire, And second, and this is unforgivable, their price for the Pi looks like it has VAT (sales tax) added, but on ordering, it's added again. I hope someone from Farnell will see fit to explain.

    1. Re:Disappointed although not very. by blane.bramble · · Score: 1

      Shipping is included in the Farnell price, but not in the RS price.

    2. Re:Disappointed although not very. by YuppieScum · · Score: 1

      Shipping is included in the Farnell price, but not in the RS price.

      Which, as the account sign-up/registration page (when you finally get to it) claims that Farnell offer "free shipping", makes their pricing even more questionable.

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    3. Re:Disappointed although not very. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i was more disappointerd with the way

  21. Worst launch ever by TrumpetX · · Score: 1

    This was really the worst product launch ever. I was refreshing their page from 5 minutes prior and hit their distributor's pages in seconds after the announcement. Nothing... I couldn't get past the first page before the site went down. I have to say it was VERY disappointing. I'd have been happy with not getting one because I didn't click fast enough, but not getting one because of a random server outage? yea, I'm not very happy right now -- especially after following the product for such a long time.

    1. Re:Worst launch ever by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Hey, it is a non-profit run by geeks - not a well-coordinated and funded marketing engine.

      If they really knew what they were doing they'd still manufacture them for $40, but then they'd realize that the demand was really high and so they'd sell them for $10 less than the mini-ITX competition (WAY more than the current price). With the profits to be made from the initial hype no doubt they'd have money to build a ton before shipping them.

      This is largely an amateur operation, and should be judged as such. I for one am impressed!

    2. Re:Worst launch ever by ZeroSumHappiness · · Score: 1

      First, they're manufacturing them for under $35 for model B boards.

      Second, if they were to sell them at market cost that would undermine the very purpose of the board to begin with -- to get cheap computers into the hands of children. A school could possibly afford 30 boards at $35. It's a little tougher to afford 30 boards at $135.

    3. Re:Worst launch ever by stabiesoft · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I would agree, this launch has somehow managed to attract the attention of non-geeks and geeks. Really is it any crazier than people waiting in line outside days in advance for an ipad, or driving all over the city for one. If anything they have managed "apple gotta have it now" for a 35 dollar product. Personally I'll just wait a month or so to pick one up to play with.

    4. Re:Worst launch ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "but then they'd realize that the demand was really high and so they'd sell them for $10 less than the mini-ITX competition (WAY more than the current price)."

      The B model of the RPi project, with shipping, is within $20 of the shipped wholesale price of other equivalent boards of this size and capability.

      The fact you're comparing this board at all to mini-ITX is ridiculous. This board is more in line with gumstix, pandaboard, beagleboard/beaglebone, and a host of other small form factor boards that are also Linux capable, low-powered, with display out. The RPi boards, in fact, trade connectivity for low cost. The main thing they had going for it was low cost and good will for the non-profit venture, but given the low availability and handing the project over to incompetent distributors, that's likely done with. They'll have their backers that'll stand by them, but boy did they burn a lot of promise and good will with how they handled this. Even their twitter feed have gotten chipper, like they just didn't know or care, and if you disagree, they've called people trolls for pointing out how they bungled this completely.

      And you overlook they're building this with Chinese manufacturing, which means this board is going to get cloned within months anyways.

      You don't build up then burn a bunch of people's effort and time like they did, non-profit or not, you just don't do that to anyone. The fact they are clueless, lazy to correct the apparent faults or happy they handed off responsibility irresponsibly, or don't care how they misplanned this is absurd. Whoever is tweeting is so far gone, he's more interested in the trending and news outlets than how badly they bungled this for most folks. He's unaware that of all the interest, there's an equal amount of time he screwed people's efforts. He's essentially wasted lifetimes worth of human hours on this launch and he doesn't quite get that was due directly to how they planned, pre announced, and set the ordering up.

    5. Re:Worst launch ever by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. And that is why this is a bunch of geeks doing non-profit work, and not something with a team of marketing experts. The very thing that would add the convenience you seek would likely also destroy the mission of the organization.

  22. Where is the gertboard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was hoping that would be available at the same time as the pi

    1. Re:Where is the gertboard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you f**ing mental, just how would you expect a small concern to launch two things at the same time, now sod off and buy something from the established suppliers. Oh it's a little unique at the moment, if you want to moan about something try moaning about a $35 object now costing more than £30 plus delivery.

    2. Re:Where is the gertboard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saw a fully populated Gertboard V2 yesterday. Looked pretty sweet. So it's incoming.

  23. I know they felt pressure to deliver, but by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 1

    I don't understand why they didn't make sure they got all the kinks out and delivered on 03/14.

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    1. Re:I know they felt pressure to deliver, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're Brits. They use a sensible date format.

    2. Re:I know they felt pressure to deliver, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What, like Year/Month/Day?

      Or some weird format like Day/Month/Year

    3. Re:I know they felt pressure to deliver, but by mirix · · Score: 1

      Big endian and little endian are both much more logical than... middle endian, american style date.

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  24. Outraged? Really? by chrb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those who donated to the project prior to completion have to wait for their boards while the folk who order direct get them shipped first?

    Why don't you let the people who donated comment instead of putting words in their mouths? How about this hypothesis: many donors saw a charity with a good idea, one that they liked and wanted to support, and they saw their donation as exactly that and nothing more - there was no guarantee that they would be first in line, and they didn't expect that there would be any such guarantee in the future. They just wanted to show their support for a cool project that had little financial backing.

    When you donate to a charity, do you always expect to get something in return? Is that how you think the world works for everyone?

    1. Re:Outraged? Really? by Redlemons · · Score: 2

      Indeed. Assuming people donated to help the project succeed, arguably donating your patience while they get things off the ground will help too.

    2. Re:Outraged? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I expect that when I give someone money, they do as they say.

      A similar situation which has happened to me is when a charity is raising money for a specific purpose, and I donate to a fund set up for that purpose alone, if that project is cancelled, I expect my money refunded, not re-applied to another project in which I have no interest.

    3. Re:Outraged? Really? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Well no, I don't think this is how the world works. However, two things;
      1) "I can't help but think..." = Opinion. I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth.
      2) I don't think many of the donors expected anything (That would be why it's a donation, not a purchase). However, those who donated on the provision of getting one of the first run of the product (which there should be at least one, otherwise why state that donors might have to wait?) are being pushed down the queue in favour of those the company can make a profit from. I don't think that is fair. It may be necessary, though. I don't have to like it.

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  25. bullshit launch by panzar · · Score: 1

    Huge bullshit launch ! I ordered one at 6.12 and got confirmation ... then i got an email saying it was out of stock ... result I have to wait 6 weeks to get one that was at farnell ... at RS you could only preorder. what bothers me the most is that they dropped the hot potato into a licensed sales model ... hope the chinese will copy it fast and cheap !

    1. Re:bullshit launch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell you what, don't bloody well have one then, piss off and moan about something else.

    2. Re:bullshit launch by panzar · · Score: 1

      sorry man but this is bogus , if you refuse to preorder, anounce the thing will be sold before end of the month and make people wake up in the middle of the night you should have your act fixed in IT land ... but what you don`t do is ask for mirrors , make people donate and deliver after the shop orders , rave mad about a fedora remix and then go like `we changed our minds ... we`re selling it licensed`

    3. Re:bullshit launch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like the botched HP Touchpad via Ebay disgorgement, with one notable difference: eventually, you *will* get a Pi for your efforts, but HP will never send you a Touchpad.

    4. Re:bullshit launch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huge bullshit launch ! I ordered one at 6.12 and got confirmation ... then i got an email saying it was out of stock ... result I have to wait 6 weeks to get one that was at farnell ... at RS you could only preorder. what bothers me the most is that they dropped the hot potato into a licensed sales model ... hope the chinese will copy it fast and cheap !

      And despite your massive and obvious case of sour grapes, the *foundation* probably hope the same thing.

    5. Re:bullshit launch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean middle of the night? Middle of the day where I was.

      Rest of your post is too incoherent to understand

  26. Re:Vaporware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope you don't get one. More for kids in UK schools and in developing countries and less for loud mouth yanks, whining cos they didn't get their own way immediately like they are clearly used to.

  27. Not available in Canada you say... pity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RS Component worldwide links to he following address in Canada: http://www.alliedelec.com/new/

    Which has no mention of Raspberry Pi anywhere on it.

    Maybe if we all go back to Seneca College there is still room in the RPI Fedora program?

    Just a thought.

    1. Re:Not available in Canada you say... pity by mirix · · Score: 1

      Farnell has a presence here (Newark)

      of course you'll have to wait a few months now.

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  28. Apparently out of stock already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the kind of stupid mistake that could have been avoided by pre-orders.

    1. Re:Apparently out of stock already.... by psergiu · · Score: 1

      All orders yesterday were pre-orders. The RPIs were not in stock at both RS & Farnell yesterday. So there you have-it.

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  29. Poor Strategy by Markavian · · Score: 1

    I can't help but feel that Eben took the wrong approach with pre-orders. I think pre-orders and taking cash up front was exactly what was what needed.

    Its a good thing that they've done the first 10,000 manufacturing batch, but on top of that they mismarketed the release date by combinging it with the RS Components and Farnell annoucement. They should have made that annoucement separately to test demand through the supplier websites and then making a preorders annoucement with a view to deliver on all preorders (be it 1000, or 100,000). I imagine will pan out ok, and that consumers will get hold of boards now that the major manufacturers are involved and the stellar publicity that the RPi has received. The bad news it will take time for them to gear up to full production.

    Today's mess was that they tried to annouce public release with news about new (untested) suppliers, and pulled all the strings in their long running BBC News campaign. Too much focus all in one place. Now the general public is involved and expecting cheap computers, when what is actually being sold is nothing more then a motherboard. The public needs to wait for technical folk to get there hands on them, to test out SD cards, distros, cases, wireless adapters, etc. and then do a proper launch. The only thing that seems to have glued it all together was Twitter, so congrats to those guys.

    1. Re:Poor Strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are issues with taking money for pre-orders up front in Europe. I think you are only allowed to take the money once you send out the product. I could be wrong.

      But thanks for the analysis - one of the most coherent I have read today. Usually its just 'Fucked up launch' comments with no real thinking behind them. Presumably people who didn't get what they wanted, when they wanted. When you consider that the first batch is 10k (it's been manufactured and is on its way to the disties right now for those people who still thinks it vapourware), and there are 100k people on the mailing list (demand was actually much higher than that), there were always going to be disappointed people. Its just that they are all SOOOO angry.

      I particularly like the comment above from the guy who is upset that the Model A now has 256MB Ram instead of 128MB. For no extra cash. That's a bit odd.

  30. Re:Ordered mine (due April) by psergiu · · Score: 2

    Found the "Urgent Order Information" in the inbox - mine is due 26 March. I called Farnell this morning and they said they are yet to receive any RPis in stock (in EU), so all their orders were pre-orders, and if they get them faster, they will be shipped faster.

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  31. Re:Vaporware by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 0

    As a matter of fact, I did get one, once I found the right link at Newark.com. $55 for the Model B, not bad.

    Too bad they don't have the "buy one / give one" available yet, because that's what I was planning to do. But, you know, keep complaining about "loud mouth yanks" all you want, and we'll keep being 2 to 5 times as generous as people in the UK, anyway.

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  32. Losing interest by morgauxo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Am I the only one losing interest in this? I was really stoked at first, dreaming of all the possibilities of what could be done with such an inexpensive computer. I was considering it's use as everything from a very powerful microcontroler to a server and even a desktop. Right off the bat I wanted two to build car computers, one for a lightweight, power sipping and silent development server and another to use as an X-terminal on my workbench.

    The problem is the display. The lack of VGA output means all those cheap monitors that everyone has in their closets are useless. I'm not even talking about bulky power hungry CRTs, I can't even use the older LCDs that I have lying around. That really kills the price advantage this board would have had. I know, I'm not the target market, schools or kids are. Apparently it's the less financially advantaged schools, the one I went to had a computer lab as early as 1994 (and few knowledgeable teachers to take advantage of it). Are they going to be able to buy all these new monitors? I understand there was an idea that kids would take these home. But it's still only going to work for kids with newer TVs in the family (and probably more than one since mom, dad and siblings are busy watching reality TV crap on the main one). Aren't families like that going to already have real computers?

    I guess there is the composite out. I've never seen anything on composite out that looked much better than late 1980s 8-bit games. Is that going to get kids of today excited?

    By the way, no, converters are not really a practical option. Yes, there are cheap adapters that are just pin remappings. Yes, many of us have even used those adapters successfully on our computers. No, that's not going to cut it for the Raspberry Pi. The cheap adapters work on our computers because they are just remapping Analog output pins that our computers already have active. The raspberry Pi does not have anything attached to those pins. For the Raspberry Pi you need to spend about $90 for a converter that converts the digital output to Analog VGA. That multiplies the money you are spending by over 4! Another option might be a USB to VGA adapter but those aren't much cheaper and would then require a lot of work to get the drivers going.

    1. Re:Losing interest by panzar · · Score: 0

      same here ... we where all waiting to get one really fast in our hackerspace we all woke up at 6 o clock in the morning no one of us could order one ... but in the end there`s a lot out there that beats the raspberry if you add a few dollars. And for the kids ... i think most kids are well used to ipads and notebooks and will look at a raspberry like it`s a shitty product

    2. Re:Losing interest by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      The problem is the display. The lack of VGA output means all those cheap monitors that everyone has in their closets are useless. I'm not even talking about bulky power hungry CRTs, I can't even use the older LCDs that I have lying around.

      I've had two $10 19" LCDs with DVI in from yard sales. Forget the older LCDs, they're bunk anyway. Donate them to someone even less fortunate, along with some big heavy PC you have in there too.

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    3. Re:Losing interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go and stick your aging VGA connector up your bumhole, you fucking dinosaur! I for one absolutely loathe the fact that such shitty analog standards are used still in the 21st century. Cheapest motherboards tend to have VGA and not DVI go and buy one of those if HDMI is not good enough.

    4. Re:Losing interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, me too. Potentially its a great idea, but a few things trouble me. Firstly the Pi is aimed at schoolkids and yet I'm not seeing much interest from that particular demographic but lots from 30 something nerds (like me!) on a nostalgia trip for simpler days. The idea is to sell them to schools as cheap computing devices but pretty much all schools in the UK have a ton of PCs already and they can easily be programmed without much trouble (the technicians could even set up VMs if they were worried about kids deleting system files etc.) We also have an issue in the UK that few IT teachers have a programming background, so I'm going to make a prediction: the Pi is going to cost schools a fortune for no real gain at the end of things. Start off with the cost of the boxed version. Ok, thats cheap enough. Add USB keyboards and/or mice and extra USB hubs. Then there's the monitors. As teachers will moan and most won't spend a month working their way through a 'learn Python' book then I expect some enterprising company to set up Pi training courses for IT teachers (which won't be cheap). Oh, there's the cost of SD cards, too. And possible extension hardware if kids are doing anything fancy. What about locking them down on the Internet or restricting video use? Because the way I see it (and knowing what teenagers are like) you're going to get kids bringing in their porn on a memory card then hiding the card before teacher sees. IT lessons then become 'Raspberry Porn' lessons and the whole thing collapses into absurdity. If you build a device that plays HD video then don't moan when kids use it to watch 'interesting' material - still, at least computer lessons stand a chance of becoming really, really popular...

    5. Re:Losing interest by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 1

      It's far more fun to have a physical device in front of you that you can programme yourself. Kids can see the hardware and the components, that ethernet controller that they are compiling the code for, they can see it. It's far more satisfying having a device that at first have nothing on it, then for a kid to write a small programme to get text to appear on to a monitor, or a tone to play out of the headphone socket, that's the level most will aim to do. We had this back in the day when BBC or Acorn Computers were in schools. This got lost when schools switched to x86 PCs and the only thing they teach children about computers is how to use Word or Excel.

      I'm a sound engineer. Writing DSP algorithms in Matlab is boring. Yep, you can test them in Matlab too, snooze! Then, get that same code, compile it to work on a SHARC dev board, and for it to work in real-time. I can't think of anything more satisfying.

      Kids in schools love it when they see an Arduino or Pic boards. Getting a bunch of LEDs to flash does entertain and inspire the Xbox/PS3 kids of today.

    6. Re:Losing interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Raspberry Pi video output is HDMI, of what use is your $10 DVI LCD then?

    7. Re:Losing interest by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      That's nice, but I just bought a brand new VGA-only monitor a few weeks ago. I was shocked that they still made them, but it was $50 cheaper than anything comparable that used DVI, and for what I was using it for it didn't make sense to spend money just to have a particular connector technology - it wasn't like I had 20 meter cable runs.

      I'm not going to knock the Pi too much, but the lack of VGA definitely is limiting.

    8. Re:Losing interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HDMI uses DVI signalling.

      HDMI->DVI adapters can be had for a couple of dollars.

      Still, I think the main thing with having a HDMI connector is that because the intent of the foundation is to have children own a device, they can take it home and plug it to the family TV to show off what they've been doing to their parents.

      It's just like back in the days of the BBC, ZX, C64, etc.

    9. Re:Losing interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Notice how the boards have an RCA video socket? Notice how nearly every TV from the 80's has RCA input?

      Who cares that it's not a montitor; my Amiga ran fine on a TV and I'm sure these boards will too.

  33. Pissed people need to calm down by whistlingtony · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, I did it too. I was there, hitting refresh. They sold out almost immediately, and now whole swaths of folk have to wait to get one just a little bit more.

    For that, people are pissed, Eben's a jerk, worst launch ever, etc etc etc.

    Guys, they're a non profit. Demand was too great. That's not a BAD thing. Yes, you have to wait. That does not mean that it was the worst launch ever... It means you need to be patient a while longer. Instead of being upset that you didn't get yours, how about taking a step back. You can wait. It won't kill you. This is a good thing. The raspberry pi team did something cool, and that coolness is not diminished just because some of us didn't get one.

    Sheesh. Calm Down.

    Tony

    1. Re:Pissed people need to calm down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guys, they're a non profit.

      Actually the Foundation is a charity. The point of a charity is to make a profit to further their aims.

    2. Re:Pissed people need to calm down by whistlingtony · · Score: 2

      Meh, whatever. They still did something cool, we all want a slice, it's not the end of the world if we have to wait. We already waited. Another month won't kill anyone.

      Some folks will argue about anything....

      Tony

    3. Re:Pissed people need to calm down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Guys, they're a non profit. Demand was too great. That's not a BAD thing. Yes, you have to wait. That does not mean that it was the worst launch ever."

      ???

      The NFL is a non-profit too. Because they're a non-profit, you expect things to be poorly done? That's an excuse, or an expectation for you? Either way, doesn't mean they had to lie or misinform.

      Demand wast oo great--demand was known for some time to be greater than the 10k they ordered. They're distribution download in prep of this was 6x the order number, and they knew demand was greater by the posting number and interest generated (on the order of thousands).

      Have to wait? I didn't expect to get one, but at the same time, holy heck, you have like no expectations whatsoever. The Raspberry Pi launch is a clear example of what NOT to do. They're months behind schedule as is. They fubar'd this badly. One distributor isn't even selling *at the time of launch the Raspberry Pi team chose themselves.* They didn't have a clue to know this ahead of time. They set up a store on the premise of testing, then abandoned it completely at the last minute, when clearly they knew ahead of time they were doing something else, and they informed no one. They wasted people's time and efforts in testing the store, on the order of several thousand people and several hours per person, in setting up accounts leading up to this launch, in forum posts on what to expect (essentially, they freaking lied), and at the failed launch itself. They didn't link to the product pages themselves either on the distributors sites, like that's a hard thing to get from the distributor.

      "Instead of being upset that you didn't get yours,"

      There is a difference between upset and disappointed. There is a difference between understanding someone royally screwing up and hand-waving away a basic error or miscalculation. This is a severe FAULT in how they handled what they did. They wasted hours upon hours before this launch, they wasted people's time at the time of launch with the misinformation, ignorance of what was going on, etc. They had no clue. They themselves blamed others. See the twitter feed.

      "You can wait. It won't kill you."

      No duh. I'll just buy something else. I'll expend my energy and code working on something not based on their board for months. And as those other boards prices come down, and the cpu increases, the Raspberry Pi will look less and less like the cool, cheap, decently powered but low energy usage board that it presently is. I can also expend me energy promoting something else.

      I'll visit them in several months, and then maybe I'll get one. But they are CLUELESS how to handle this aspect of the project. It's such a massive failure I'm not even interested in looking at them for a few weeks, and I still expect there to be shortages even then give how freaking bad they handled this.

      "The raspberry pi team did something cool, and that coolness is not diminished just because some of us didn't get one."

      So did Goddard. Doesn't mean without a backbone or planning everything continues to work right. Good project managers and leaders understand this. Your poor standards don't speak for me and many others.

      They might be smart as hell on the tech and design side, but they are incompetent below a 3rd grade level as to planning. This was BAD, and if you don't get that, that's fine, there are a LOT of people whose interest on this board just plummeted to complete shit. There are more and more small form factor boards out there than people may know, run by private companies, and people will simply swing happily over to them.

      But like you said, they're a non-profit. What do they care if they screw people's interest for the short-term on non-profit tech projects.

    4. Re:Pissed people need to calm down by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      "Guys, they're a non profit. Demand was too great. That's not a BAD thing. Yes, you have to wait. That does not mean that it was the worst launch ever."

      ???

      The NFL is a non-profit too. Because they're a non-profit, you expect things to be poorly done?

      Comparing what is practically a volunteer effort to the NFL is a bit of a joke. Frankly, if they were looking to be a "non-profit" in the sense that the NFL is I wouldn't want to have anything to do with it. The NFL is basically a fortune 500 company that just has committed to never paying a dividend or liquidating. The NFL commissioner probably gets paid as much as just about any CEO out there.

      I view the Raspberry Pi as more of a community effort, and frankly if they were just another big company selling a product I doubt it would have gotten the same interest.

  34. Inconsistent Communication is failing them by yakovlev · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Where raspberry pi is really failing at the moment is messaging. We were initially told that we could order internationally direct from the foundation. The post on the website says that you can buy them now from RS and Farnell, which would also be fine. While I think this is true for Farnell if you live in the UK, it isn't true for RS or Farnell if you live in the USA, so a lot of people feel like they've been deceived.

    Furthermore, Farnell doesn't even seem to sell to USA consumers, and RS only has an "express an interest" site, and nothing on their USA site.

    So, consumers are very confused about what is going on. Because of the inconsistent messaging, USA consumers have no idea if we'll ever be able to buy them online, at least without significant retail markup.

    What I think would improve the goodwill would be for the Raspberry Pi team to:

    1.) Contact RS and Farnell and figure out what the heck is going on, particularly for international customers. Put a post on the website to the effect that you're doing this.
    2.) Once they do figure out what's going on, TELL US.

    If, in two weeks time, when all the traffic has died down, international customers will be able to get them, that's fine, but people currently don't feel like that's the case. The two distributors are ruining Raspberry Pi's goodwill (which often happens when you give this power to someone else) but Raspberry Pi isn't compensating by over-communicating on their end.

    1. Re:Inconsistent Communication is failing them by ciascu · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm missing something, but the most impressive part for me has been how the Raspberry Pi team, and, notably, not the high profile global distribution networks, have been keeping everybody up-to-date on a pretty much continuous basis since launch. Over-communicating seems a little unfair accusation, given that they'd been getting such a high volume of queries since the sites went down - better than under-communicating, I say! I didn't have much trouble finding out what was going on from the Twitter stream, and realizing that they were having as much difficulty getting in touch with RS & Farnell as anybody else, to work out why the distributors had made up their own rulebook at gametime.

      While the requirements are different, I think its pretty harsh for some of the other comments here to complain that the core team are underprepared when they have managed to keep their indie site up (largely?) but the pre-warned distribution chains have folded. In the nicest possible way, I actually thoroughly enjoyed watching the first couple hours of minute-by-minute, tell-it-like-it-is commentary from @Raspberry_Pi, who were getting a fantastic volume of tweets and doing a sterling job of keeping up with reports of RS & Farnell collapsing. Good work, peeps.

      So, I dunno what's going on, but reading the Twitter stream makes me feel a lot more sympathetic to them than to either the distributors or the people complaining about service, whether my "Expression of Interest" gets me Raspberry Pi or no. At least you're not purchasing from NZ - Farnell NZ was offering them at ~US$65, probably pre-general-added-costs, with a 24 day delay.

  35. Re:first by psergiu · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wrong.

    This is the first Pi :)

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  36. Slashdot:Raspberry Pi :: ESPN:Tim Tebow by Dude_here · · Score: 0

    Anyone else think Slashdot is over covering the Raspberry Pi? It is getting to the point were I want it to fail just so I don't have to hear about it. Now I know how anti-Apple people feel.

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    1. Re:Slashdot:Raspberry Pi :: ESPN:Tim Tebow by psergiu · · Score: 1

      Nope. You're the only one.

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  37. fancy! by Triv · · Score: 0

    "In an exclusive Transatlantic Skype conversation with"

    Ooh, transatlantic! You kids and your computers nowadays. I bet you watch TV in color, too.

    Seriously, in what way is the fact that it's equivalently an international phone call in any way relevant? The goalposts have changed; you only get to mention location that prominently if you're Skyping to somewhere that a stable internet connection isn't common, like a war zone, the middle of a rainforest, or orbit.

  38. You need to have the Adobe Flash Player to view by xororand · · Score: 0

    ... and another potentially Slashdot post that cannot be viewed in its entirety on free systems.
    Why does Slashdot try to force the tool of oppression that is Adobe Flash on their readers?
    Sad. It fits the Raspberry Pi though, a partially non-free system.

  39. Re:I love the new business model by psergiu · · Score: 1

    Yep, that's also what the Farnell sales guys told me on the phone this morning - their had 0 Raspberry Pi stock before sales begun so all orders placed were pre-orders.

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  40. Gouging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    newark.com is charging a $20 "handling fee" on top of a $19.99 "shipping fee" on top of the $35 "product fee"

    1. Re:Gouging by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      It had to happen -- there was never a retail markup included in the original pricing scheme. 60% is quite high, though....

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  41. It doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's still vaporware.

    1. Re:It doesn't matter by psergiu · · Score: 1

      "vapourware"
      With an "u"
      It's british.
      Tsk, tsk, tsk ...

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  42. Looks like I'm going to wait anyway.... by DynamoJoe · · Score: 2

    I might as well look at the bright side and let someone else solve all the problems with the first run. Thanks, early adopters!

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  43. Newark is taking orders online and by phone by boley1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm in the US and had a heck of a time figuring out a way to order. Pre-order links not working, no results searching for Raspberry Pi on partners' site ...

    But in a chat with Newark rep, found that you can just enter part # 83T1943 and it will come up. $20 handling fee if you order online, less if you call the order in.
    "83T1943 is the Newark Part # for the Raspberry PI and has an approximate lead time of 30-40 daysyou will get charged shipping if you order online, you should call in 800-463-9275"
    You will still probably be charged some shipping - but according the Newark rep less.

    Disclosure: Not associated with Newark, other than an occasional customer.

    1. Re:Newark is taking orders online and by phone by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I managed to pre-order one in the USA through the Farnell export site; this was about 8:20am GMT. The page has now gone to a register-your-interest form, so probably not much use now.

      Price GBP 24.55, estimated delivery date 16/04/2012. No idea what postage will cost, I'm prepared for something horrendous to get it to Seattle.

      What people are missing is that they're now build-to-order. Instead of before, where the Raspberry Pi organisation had an initial batch of 10,000, the sale of which would fund the next batch to arrive at some indeterminate point in the future - RS and Farnell are ordering the things from the manufacturers themselves.

      I was watching with amazement as both RS and Farnell got nuked off the intertubes within seconds of the announcement. This board is popular. The previous plans for ordering wouldn't have worked at all.

      Would Apple have coped better with such a launch? Probably. But as the Raspberry Pi twitter feed says: "Apple has a market cap of $500bn. We have Liz's collection of fridge magnets and a few coins down the back of the sofa."

      I'm really looking forwards to my Pi arriving. Given that I was expecting to wait at least until the summer to get one, things are going well!

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    2. Re:Newark is taking orders online and by phone by ZeroSumHappiness · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the info! I will, however, be writing a strongly worded letter to the foundation about those extortionate shipping and handling fees! That's just highway robbery!

    3. Re:Newark is taking orders online and by phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      After stumbling about most of the day I can confirm that this is the way to order the Pi from the U.S :
      - Go to newark.com and register an account (not really necessary but makes the rest easier)
      - Call Newark's sales center @ 800-463-9275
      - They will probably know what you want when you say Raspberry Pi but the part number mentioned above is correct for the model B (# 83T1943).
      - Tell them you want it shipped from the Gaffney, South Carolina warehouse.
      - Final cost will be $35 plus UPS ground to where-ever you are (quoted $7-8 for me in Virginia).
      - Expect delivery sometime in May (My invoice says: Final Expected Ship Date: 05/10/2012)
      If you try to order online from Premier Farnell (or newark) you will see a $20 handling fee pop up in your cart (I don't know if this includes shipping - probably not).

    4. Re:Newark is taking orders online and by phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think people like you miss the point of some of the objections. RS and Farnell got nuked, because of RPi choosing to make last minute changes (from the user's perspective) to the ordering process and their handling, the misinformation provided (having a store, wasting people's time claiming they were testing mail times, etc.), and blowing away a lot of good will (saying you could order, they were ready, they were prepared...then handing it off to people who clearly weren't and they didn't even both to make sure where, hell, not getting direct product links should have been a clear sign), etc.

      People were waiting for these things for months. They're months behind even their own schedule on this current, fiasco of a launch.

      Someone said 6 people do this project. Those 6 people are clearly unaware or just don't care (because they are a non-profit, as if that matters) that they wasted the time of 60,000 people downloading the distro, which should alone been an indication for weeks how they should have informed and changed their approach. They wasted the time on the order of hours with a half-lie of an announcement for every single person who had time, energy, and family but decided, based on their announcement, to try to get one. And they took down 2 distributor sites, the 3 deserve each other for their incompetence on this.

      By summer, this thing is going to be cloned. By next year, this will be surpassed. They screwed up. Simple as that.

  44. Re:Vaporware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you lived in the UK you might understand that we don;'t have the same amount of cash to give away.

    We're serfs don'tcha know ?

  45. Re:I love the new business model by s0litaire · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The retailers don't, but the initial shipment was sent directly to the foundations address and they are then being forwarded to RS and Farnell as required.

    It's a totally roundabout way of doing it, but think this was due to the timing of everything as well as the foundation wanting to get them into the country as soon as possible.

    I was hoping they would hold back a few hundred for sale directly through their own site! but alas! looks like i'm stuck with RS or Farnell for now

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  46. Re:Vaporware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out his link...the States does 10x the giving with only 5x the GDP. What it doesn't take into account though is the taxation rate which replaces charitable giving to a certain extent. (Involuntary charitable giving?)

  47. Worst Comments Ever by wild_quinine · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I've never seen so much whining and sour grapes in one place before. The majority of posters sounds about thirteen, and demonstrate the worldliness to match.

    "I couldn't get one immediately! Well, I guess I won't buy one any more!!!!"

    Who cares? Certainly not the non-profit you're slating. Voting with your wallet doesn't work against a non-profit with a massively in-demand item. That's you just sitting in the sad corner by yourself.

    You know what the foundation want? They want people with intellegence to get into developing, and to get others into developing. Half the comments I've read in this thread show personalities that need more development than the Raspberry Pi.

    1. Re:Worst Comments Ever by ClayDowling · · Score: 1

      Sure, I couldn't get it today. I'm in the U.S., so I might not get it at all. But the rapid sales of this first batch is giving them a fat wad of cash for a second batch, which can be larger, and that will fuel even more production capability. Within six months, probably less, anybody who wants to buy one will be able to get it. I'll build my beer-brewing robot then.

    2. Re:Worst Comments Ever by JazzLad · · Score: 3, Funny

      The majority of posters sounds about thirteen, and demonstrate the worldliness to match.

      Well, they did say their demographic was schoolkids.



      /grin

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    3. Re:Worst Comments Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Who cares? Certainly not the non-profit you're slating."

      I do.

      The next round people see non-profit, they'll be less likely to have good expectations on a tech non-profit.

      They burned good will. They burned their own image. They burned their own honesty and name for crying out loud. This was a bait and switch, on the store, on the site, how they communicate to their potential users.

      Worse, they burned people time and energy who were interested in the boards, and you're so far gone that you don't think that matters? Wow.

      And now you're claiming for the RPi team that they don't even care about these things because they're a non-profit? Those ARE the exact objections--they they didn't care to communicate, show some class, plan, organize, communicate, and you're aggravating and even backing those exact objections.

      Screw them. Other small boards out there to play with, and by the time the RPi team, already months behind schedule, get their act together, some team from China will have reverse engineered this, and ripped any development and programming out from under them. And that good will--will be given to someone else HAPPILY.

      They screwed themselves on this. You don't get it, that's fine. You won't when you whine later how come the clones have taken over and how it's fractured into a bunch of crap.

    4. Re:Worst Comments Ever by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      The next round people see non-profit, they'll be less likely to have good expectations on a tech non-profit.

      Does that really matter much? I contribute to a non-profit, and I'd be contributing to it whether anybody else liked what I was doing or not. People contribute financially because they like what we're doing.

      I think that Pi became a bit of a victim of its own hype. A bunch of guys decided to do something nice, and they really did do something nice, and will continue to do nice things. Then everybody else is upset that they didn't actually cure cancer. If you really wanted a bazillion units shipped on day 1, then call Michael Dell, but don't expect to pay $35 for them.

  48. They have no choice but to rely on their partners by boley1 · · Score: 1

    Their partners are much more experienced but this is a very unusual event, remember AT&T and Apple had their launch problems too.

    Farnell uses Newark as its U.S. distributor and though their website is getting pretty hammered and the customer support guys say it is kind of crazy, they are taking both online and toll free number orders.

    I wouldn't expect R-Pi foundation to have a staff that is any better in reaching the partners' customer support staff for info, than you or I or any of the other 100K plus people figuratively pushing and shoving in line. :-)

    From a Newark Rep:
    "83T1943 is the Newark Part # for the Raspberry PI and has an approximate lead time of 30-40 daysyou will get charged shipping if you order online, you should call in 800-463-9275"

  49. Screwing over their donators to fill new orders? by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

    My, my, how pragmatical. With that attitude, I wish them all the success that any other commercial business deserves, particularly with regard to eating the costs of defective units returned by their paying customers.

    Still putting my stick in the sand saying "Out of business by the end of March."

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  50. Re:first by galanom · · Score: 1

    US $5,543.30 ???
    FUCK!

  51. Credit cards charge the retailer 2-2.5% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Though they may have changed it, Amex charged 4-5%, so you are never charged for it (except by exorbitant APR and nagging) but the retailer on all transactions is. And when your margin is 1-2%, you have to pass that expense on.

  52. Re:MPEG2 support? by ZeroSumHappiness · · Score: 1

    I believe that the MPEG-2 licensing issue is for hardware decoding. The rPi should still be able to software decode it (though I don't know how well) if you have the appropriate codec installed.

  53. can i just do it myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    can i have the pcb schematics and component list please so i can build this myself without having to wait for people to figure out how to do ecommerce?

    1. Re:can i just do it myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can have the schematics once you've learned how capital letters work.

    2. Re:can i just do it myself by boley1 · · Score: 1

      No. Once the R-Pi site comes back online you can read the FAQs that explain the many reasons why. One major reason is that the chips are impossible to solder by hand, it requires a special robot (or pick and place and exotic solder machine). Another is that it would cost more to buy the individual parts than it would to buy a couple of units. The suppliers are being kind enough to give them prices like they were buying millions of parts though they are buying only 10's of thousands. As an individual you can't buy so of the key parts at all. If you are a manufacturer you would have to sign an NDA with some of the key part suppliers and commit to a few million pieces. It is more thoroughly explained in the FAQs and forums, because this question keeps coming up.

  54. Disappointing but hopefully will get better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a disappointing launch but can be understood as they aren’t a huge corporation, they are a charity. Hopefully they’ll be able to really ramp up production to meet demand and ensure the whole enterprise doesn’t turn into a continuing disappointment/missed opportunity.

  55. What I would hope... by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

    What I'm hoping for is that this establishes a "reference platform" -- they're already talking about trying to influence syllabus development, and one of the problems with developing a CS and/or IT curriculum is the moving target of platforms. A decent HDMI screen is future proof, as is a USB keyboard and mouse, so if people move to Pi on their next refresh cycle, all the money's going on screens which they can continue to use even if they ditch Pi -- no huge loss of cash here.

    And besides, a reference platform doesn't even need to be hardware. I doubt it'll be long before there's a very accurate software reproduction of the Pi environment. Stick it on a server and run it on old PCs as terminals. Stick it on a newish PC as a runtime.

    The main thing is that there will be a single target for coursework and courseware, rather than a bodged-up constant shift from platform to platform.

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  56. Re:They have no choice but to rely on their partne by yakovlev · · Score: 2

    And I think this is an example of my point.

    If I knew that Newark was where to order from Farnell, then I would have known to order from there. Farnell's web site doesn't make this clear anywhere that I could find, and while that is primarily Farnell's problem, it reflects badly on Raspberry Pi, even if it isn't their fault.

    The companies do have an interest in informing the Raspberry Pi team in order to reduce load on their own sites, if nothing else. That only works if the Raspberry Pi team goes through the effort of sharing what information they get. Also, the Raspberry Pi team probably has an internal phone contact that the rest of us don't have.

    All of this isn't to say that I think Raspberry Pi is a bad organization or that I'm angry or anything. I'm frustrated at not getting one (which I expected) and confused about how to get one in the future (which I did not expect.) I think resolving the confusion would tame at least some of the anger that other people are experiencing.

    BTW, are you saying that you don't get charged the $20 handling fee (or get charged something smaller) if you order by phone?

  57. Great news! by wolf1oo · · Score: 1

    This is good news for all hackers and techie people. I personally can't wait to get my hands on one, I've been itching to see how good of a web server one could be by itself.

    In other news, the recorder of the video has the same mouse cursor set as me! Jimmac forever!

  58. Ebay listing already... by portwojc · · Score: 1

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-Computer-BRAND-NEW-/290677544076?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopPCs&hash=item43adbb548c

  59. Didn't you get your stickers? by boley1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unless I'm mistaken all "donors" such as myself received their stickers. At no time did the foundation imply that donors would be first in line or get any special privileges. I suspect only non-donors are raising a stink.

  60. Re:MPEG2 support? by jmorris42 · · Score: 1

    That won't be a problem for long. This SoC shares the video part with enough other devices that in no time at all there will be 'places' one can go to obtain the required libraries. Much like there is one stop shopping for the Win32 codecs to make Mplayer able to play darned near anything. And nobody is going to care, Broadcom won't, the **AA groups won't care, nobody will. As long as it is just a geeks building media boxes and crap like that, any large institutional user will of course simply work out a licensing agreement. But Broadcom has to charge the Pi Foundation for the codecs they ship and officially support or the whole phony balony shakedown on codec licensing would come crashing down so we are all going to have to do the wink wink nudge nudge schtick.

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  61. color shockers by unixisc · · Score: 1

    The color scheme of the GP reminded me of one of my colleagues @ one time, who adapted that sort of a color scheme for Windows (albeit NT 4.0). It was tough to look @. This particular one looks like a whole bunch of valley girls just put together their ideas, and in the spirit of all-inclusiveness, threw it all on the web page. And since it was too difficult to put all their names there, they all assumed the collective name of Sean Terrance Best, and ran w/ it.

  62. Servers may have melted but their supporter shined by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I didn't get a raspi but my experience with RS Components and partners was a little out of the ordinary.
    Together with everyone else I got up at 06 UTC to see the announcement and witness the DDoS. Like many others I went through the registration and ordering process at Farnell just to realize that they don't sell to anything but businesses in my country.

    After around an hour or so the RS Components site came back briefly with a static page saying that they were under heavy load and to simply phone this and that number. I thought "Ah well, whatever I'll give it a try" and dialed the number. To my great surprise the call was connected instantly (and I do mean that litterally - less than 1 second) and was answered by a knowledgeable young lady who, in my native language, quickly and precisely explained the whole situation as well as how things would be handled during the next weeks.

    I was completely flabbergasted:
    - Instant telephone support
    - Knowledgeable supporter with good awareness of the case
    - In my native language
    - At around 7 in the morning during a major website breakdown

    Never seen anything like it.

  63. Re:I love the new business model by Teancum · · Score: 2

    One huge difference though between a typical pre-order from a start-up vs. what these guys are doing is that the actual devices have been manufactured and physically exist at least somewhere on the planet. A typical start-up pre-order is based upon a device that is still "under development" and where the schematics haven't even been sent to a manufacturer, or even that a manufacturing facility hasn't even been decided upon yet.

    In other words, this isn't a vaporware pre-order, but something that is merely in pre-order because the distribution chain is merely lagging a little bit until you can get a copy of your own. That is an important distinction.

  64. Took a whole 1 day for annoying sales calls.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And at $35 a pop... I'd rather have a Teensy $16 or Teensy++ $24 that are Arduino compatible
    http://www.pjrc.com/teensy/

    NB: not affliciated with pjrc.com in any way, other than using the Teensy in projects

    1. Re:Took a whole 1 day for annoying sales calls.. by boley1 · · Score: 1

      The Teensy is a nice platform, but nothing like the R-pi, they really are apples and oranges best suited to completely different applications.

  65. US customers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    US customers can pre-order at http://newawk.com. for n*$35 + $20 s/h.

    After pre-odering, I got a confirmation email estimating a ship date of 5/10/2012.

    1. Re:US customers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should have ordered over the phone. I did and got it at $35, NO $20 s/h, $7-8 UPS ground. I have the same ship date of 5/10/2012. Coming out of their SC warehouse vs. the UK (which is what the $20 is for).

    2. Re:US customers by boley1 · · Score: 1

      I went the other way and paid the $20. Knew about the phone option, but wasn't sure which would work the best. Glad you posted. Maybe you can update when you actually get it for comparison purposes. I don't think this is the only one I'll order this year.

  66. Re:first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was the first beta board, given that they had alpha boards and prototypes before that, that wasn't the first Pi.

  67. Re:Ebay listing already... already removed by hamjudo · · Score: 1

    The Raspberry Pi Foundation has someone playing wack-a-mole and having the bogus ebay ads taken down. That one has already been removed.

  68. Re:They have no choice but to rely on their partne by boley1 · · Score: 1

    Correct. The $20 fee appears to be a direct ship from Farnell in the UK charge. My understanding if you call it in, you only pay typical Newark shipping.
    I'm guessing the website is tied into Farnell in the UK and they tack that on to cover the individual handling, customs paperwork, postage ... If you order by phone, Newark USA probably has a way of ordering a batch shipping to Newark USA and then Newark uses their regular distribution methods. That's a bit of speculation, but seems to fit the bits and pieces of info I got from Newark. In the end, I decided it was worth the extra 10 to 15 bucks to have it ship direct from the UK - maybe it would knock a week or two off the process. It could be just the opposite though. A bulk order to Newark USA, that Newark splits up might move a lot faster.
    I understand your frustration. Just don't think there was much the foundation could do to make Farnell, Newark et al do their job better for a onetime event like this.

  69. DayOne BigFail by eaman · · Score: 1

    You just don't blog on your site "Set the allarm @6:00am" for Big Day One when there are not enough items and the sites (resellers) are not able to hold the traffic. That was just a BAD idea.

    Many managed to be on line just at the *right* time to be unable to buy and DOS the whole thing. ..or maybe it was a PR stunt, but they eventually pissed off many potential buyers who are now seeing pre-preorder request for no one knows when we can sell or how many are available. There it goes the impulse buyers low-cost give-it-a-try...

    1. Re:DayOne BigFail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alternatives?

      There were always going to be too few items for sale - nothing could be done about that.
      But at no time did anyone think the resellers would not be able to hold the traffic. As it turned out the traffic was mental. 1M hits on RS in a 15m period. 600 hits/s at one stage on Farnell. That's a lot of traffic.

  70. The Raspberry Pi as a game machine by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    This just occurred to me -- the B model almost certainly has enough guts to run a MAME emulator, making it a candidate to restore older arcade games. I have an original Tempest stand-up in the garage that bit the dust years ago... This might be an interesting project.

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  71. Re:Screwing over their donators to fill new orders by psergiu · · Score: 1

    I'm one of the donators. I don't feel screwed as i received some limited edition stickers for it.
    The returns will be handled by Farnell & RS - the foundation only licenses the design.

    Your "stick" in sand ... ewww ... gross ... you'll get some infection.

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  72. Re:Servers may have melted but their supporter shi by Barryke · · Score: 1

    Funny that you mention this, as i've just received email from Farnell that they will be firing support staff and ultimately migrate to a (multilanguage) support site in Polen.
    And i think of support as a knowledge tank, so i dont understand how you can "factory reset" it without damage being done to customers..

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  73. Find a dealer near your zip code by tepples · · Score: 1

    Dealers buying products from the distributor would enter the postal code of the address where they want their order shipped. End users would then enter a postal code and search for dealers who have saved an address near that postal code. The match could be based on the first three characters of the postal code, or it could be based on the distance between the postal codes' centroids. I've implemented both searching behaviors in web projects that I've worked on.

  74. Promised Delivery Tracking on eLinux.org by boley1 · · Score: 1

    The R-Pi wiki at eLinux.org has an interesting table where people are entering their order time, the place they ordered it from and the estimated ship date they were given. One of the entries (mine) matches up with your info pretty closely.
    Link to Page
      http://elinux.org/index.php?title=RPi_Shipping

  75. Newark is now following up on Registered-Interest by boley1 · · Score: 1

    I received a "Raspberry Pi Update" email from Newark, today (March 2) at 19:46:08 GMT thanking me for my interest, and including a Buy Now button.
    Apparently I had filled out the Register-Your-Interest form prior to finding out how to pre-order (see previous post).
    I almost ignored it having already pre-ordered yesterday with an estimated ship date of May 10th.
    But... I was curious as to what the current shipping estimates were.

    Surprise! April 3rd! (Yes, I completed the order. Sorry if that offends anyone.)

    So, now I'm wondering if maybe, I'm now actually in the first batch, or May 10th was just a wild safe guess, and now they are getting better estimates from the factory?

    A list of expected ship dates are at eLinux: http://elinux.org/RPi_Shipping

  76. Re:Newark is now following up Update by boley1 · · Score: 1

    I spoke too soon. As I was checking out the estimated ship date was April 3. The email I just received confirming my order has May 14th. A fairer but disappointing turn of events. :-)

    Sorry to have wasted the reader's time.

  77. rasberry pi in india? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does any one know the distributor of rasberry pi in india ?

  78. Everyone is forced into paying the cost of ego by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone is forced into paying the cost of their nationalistic ego - choosing European companies to carry out distribution effort is ludicrous. Of course they will overcharge everyone - that's how EU business goes. If you were to swallow your egos and pick a Chinese logistics company then shipping would have been $5 per item worldwide and NO taxes?

    The EU socialism is something only YOU were supposed to pay by having 50% of your paychecks deducted every week, NOT the rest of the rational world.

    Now we are stuck dealing with mickey mouse UK distributor companies and their "world distribution scams". Great work! No, let me take that back - great work! What is your cut from the fraudulent shipping; handling; emotional reimbursement for doing any work at all; taxes; VAT; tax on VAT; etc fees?

  79. Apple Store vs Raspberry Pi Stores by boley1 · · Score: 1

    To be fair to apple though (and I hate doing this :) they probably have enough server capacity to deal with the flood that the RasPi has generated...

    Maybe not. I took me about 2 hours of refreshing before I was able to order an Apple TV today. The Apple store, even with the experience of several frenzied product launches, was not looking too good.