Those "jobs a trained monkey can do" will always orders of magnitude more plentiful than the jobs that require a college education. This means that the pay rates going to those workers will do far more to the economy than the budgets of a few engineers and scientists. This attitude that pay rate should be mostly determined by level of education will eventually destroy any economy that buys into it. I don't care how much a country develops, no population can be sustained on primarily higher education jobs. We just don't need that many people in those positions.
Further, why doesn't somebody working in a factory deserve a living wage plus health care? Do you think people build the things you buy because it is fun? Yes, in the past we had many workers pulling in what might at first glance seem to be ridiculously high pay checks for simple jobs. What the anti-working class conservatives fail to take into account is that average working hours have been huge. To get these pay checks people have been working between 70 and 80 hour weeks in most factories! How much money would it take to get to get you to turn a screw over and over for 80 hours a week? I've done that, I took a pay cut to leave for a more technical job and was happy to do so. I think someone deserves to be paid well for subjecting themselves to that kind of mind numbing routine.
I'm not saying it is good that people received these kinds of hours. Employers started paying really good overtime, things like double time on Sundays, overtime on anything on Saturday or anything over 8 hours in a single day regardless of what happened the rest of the week. Triple time on holidays was common. This sounds like a lot of money but it made sense from the employer's standpoint. It encouraged people to work longer which meant fewer employees were necessary. Fewer employees means less healthcare which was way more expensive than just cutting big pay checks.
I'm not saying people shouldn't get good health benefits either. Health care is too expensive because the healthcare industry is corrupt, not because people should be left to suffer and die without treatment. Now our corporations are being allowed to drop their retired workers' healthcare benefits. These are the people who worked 70-80 hours a week for decades. They have repetitive motion injuries. Many are in poor health, most of those jobs aren't very good exercise. They are old, their youth is gone, they spent it in a factory. I think this was a bad decision workers made to accept all that overtime but greed is a pretty universal human trait. Shouldn't they get something for what they have given? Is that socialist? I don't think so, it's just fair treatment.
A lot of stuff went on, both positive and negative from both sides. It's really sad that so many are blaming this on the unions. They were there to represent the workers. If there was a gain to be made on the workers behalf of course they took it. Sure it didn't matter if it was sensible or not. What you have to keep in mind is that the corporations are the same thing in reverse. Corporations are run by people who's job is to make more money for the corporation and only to make more money. They are legally obligated to do so. If they can get away with screwing the workers to benefit the stockholders (or themselves) that is what will happen. It's just a job and it's only numbers. In this way they are a-moral, like lawyers. Their job is to negotiate for their side, right or wrong.
No, this was not an ideal system. But what is? Without the unions the corporations are not going to up and start caring about people. They are not going to start doing what is right. They are going to walk all over anybody they can. How will the economy recover when the majority of the people are not earning a living wage? It will not, and in the end all will suffer for it, even the educated worker.
Underpaying the workers will not help companies recover either. In all the large corporations that t
Jobs doesn't do charity because he is unwilling to admit to himself that he is getting old and will die some day. Gates knows full well and is hedging his bets. Both receive and deserve all the bashing they can get.
What's the point you are trying to make? It's wrong to bash an old billionaire who is using his money for something good when in his younger years he obtained that money through all sorts of unethical means and generally made the world a worse place?
Not that this is a good argument for keeping incandescent bulbs for other uses but has anybody made a CFL that will work inside an oven yet? How good are they in the fridge?
Would that many of you really not look to see what is on the stick? Are you really that OCD? Ok, plugging it into your office computer on the company network is irresponsible. Doing so in any sort of sensitive government office is worse. But to not look at all? Really?
Surely the more security sensitive among you are also among the geekier. Right? Are you saying you don't have a spare computer around anywhere? You can't plug the stick into some old non-internet connected junk computer to see what is there? You aren't curious enough to do so? What could possibly happen? Corrupt a spare machine with some virus? So what? Ghost the thing beforehand if it's that big of a deal. I suppose there could possibly be something on it that will actually harm the hardware. Nobody writes that kind of lowlevel malware anymore though, not unless they are working for a government attacking another government's nuclear program anyway. Even if you did run into some old hardware eating virus, with all the outdated yet perfectly usable hardware lying around these days who cares?
Personally if I had that much of a security phobia I would have a junker sitting around just for this purpose. I'd have two identical hard drives and would just copy the good unexposed OS image back and forth each time I wanted to test something I didn't trust. Fortunately I don't have this phobia. I would just wait until I got home and stick it in my desktop which runs Linux.
Yes, I know that even Linux has security holes and yes there have been viri and other attacks on it. I also know that statistics are on my side, I am probably more likely to get run over a bus where the driver was struck by lightning than to ever encounter a problem simply viewing files on a Linux machine. Also... no auto-run!
Umm.. so all that killing and oppression should be repeated and 'learned from' until somebody gets it right and then we will have a communist utopia? Is that what you are saying?
"Chinese students paying high tuitions to our cash-strapped universities."
Since when do foreign students pay tuition in the US? The taxpayers do that through scholarships. Only US citizens have to actually pay for their educations in the US.
IF frequencies, CPU/bus clocks, harmonics, etc...
and that's just for testing a single device
once you get multiple devices you have to consider intermod too!
What would really happen if someone yelled fire in a cinema?
The other movie watchers would yell at them to sit down, shut up and stop interrupting the movie. Who expects a real fire to be announced by some dummy in the middle of the crowded room noticing it when nobody else does? I think the crowd would just assume the shouter is being an idiot until they see or smell it or the alarm actually goes off.
It's our culture on Slashdot to hate censorship in all forms and in all places. Who are you to judge us? Hypocrite!
Actually, the "it's their values which are different from ours" argument, as often as it is spouted is wrong. If censorship is some people's culture, if it's their choice then it wouldn't exist. There would be no need. Nobody would be saying anything they would need to censor. Censorship is just one group, majority or not oppressing another. Attempts to redefine it around a different cultures values are nonsense.
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This is Slashdot. What else would be heating a bedroom?
Those "jobs a trained monkey can do" will always orders of magnitude more plentiful than the jobs that require a college education. This means that the pay rates going to those workers will do far more to the economy than the budgets of a few engineers and scientists. This attitude that pay rate should be mostly determined by level of education will eventually destroy any economy that buys into it. I don't care how much a country develops, no population can be sustained on primarily higher education jobs. We just don't need that many people in those positions.
Further, why doesn't somebody working in a factory deserve a living wage plus health care? Do you think people build the things you buy because it is fun? Yes, in the past we had many workers pulling in what might at first glance seem to be ridiculously high pay checks for simple jobs. What the anti-working class conservatives fail to take into account is that average working hours have been huge. To get these pay checks people have been working between 70 and 80 hour weeks in most factories! How much money would it take to get to get you to turn a screw over and over for 80 hours a week? I've done that, I took a pay cut to leave for a more technical job and was happy to do so. I think someone deserves to be paid well for subjecting themselves to that kind of mind numbing routine.
I'm not saying it is good that people received these kinds of hours. Employers started paying really good overtime, things like double time on Sundays, overtime on anything on Saturday or anything over 8 hours in a single day regardless of what happened the rest of the week. Triple time on holidays was common. This sounds like a lot of money but it made sense from the employer's standpoint. It encouraged people to work longer which meant fewer employees were necessary. Fewer employees means less healthcare which was way more expensive than just cutting big pay checks.
I'm not saying people shouldn't get good health benefits either. Health care is too expensive because the healthcare industry is corrupt, not because people should be left to suffer and die without treatment. Now our corporations are being allowed to drop their retired workers' healthcare benefits. These are the people who worked 70-80 hours a week for decades. They have repetitive motion injuries. Many are in poor health, most of those jobs aren't very good exercise. They are old, their youth is gone, they spent it in a factory. I think this was a bad decision workers made to accept all that overtime but greed is a pretty universal human trait. Shouldn't they get something for what they have given? Is that socialist? I don't think so, it's just fair treatment.
A lot of stuff went on, both positive and negative from both sides. It's really sad that so many are blaming this on the unions. They were there to represent the workers. If there was a gain to be made on the workers behalf of course they took it. Sure it didn't matter if it was sensible or not. What you have to keep in mind is that the corporations are the same thing in reverse. Corporations are run by people who's job is to make more money for the corporation and only to make more money. They are legally obligated to do so. If they can get away with screwing the workers to benefit the stockholders (or themselves) that is what will happen. It's just a job and it's only numbers. In this way they are a-moral, like lawyers. Their job is to negotiate for their side, right or wrong.
No, this was not an ideal system. But what is? Without the unions the corporations are not going to up and start caring about people. They are not going to start doing what is right. They are going to walk all over anybody they can. How will the economy recover when the majority of the people are not earning a living wage? It will not, and in the end all will suffer for it, even the educated worker.
Underpaying the workers will not help companies recover either. In all the large corporations that t
What? I've had no problems accessing BOC. Here, tell ya what... just send me your login info and I'll figure it out for you.
For the second problem there is javascript. For the first.. well that one is tough.
sorry, vi sucks.
he said that too.
Jobs doesn't do charity because he is unwilling to admit to himself that he is getting old and will die some day. Gates knows full well and is hedging his bets. Both receive and deserve all the bashing they can get.
What's the point you are trying to make? It's wrong to bash an old billionaire who is using his money for something good when in his younger years he obtained that money through all sorts of unethical means and generally made the world a worse place?
Not that this is a good argument for keeping incandescent bulbs for other uses but has anybody made a CFL that will work inside an oven yet? How good are they in the fridge?
but why?
"route ALL internet traffic around china and other repressive governments."
And just what will you do with your new internet route that only connects Antarctica to the northern polar ice sheet.
Would that many of you really not look to see what is on the stick? Are you really that OCD? Ok, plugging it into your office computer on the company network is irresponsible. Doing so in any sort of sensitive government office is worse. But to not look at all? Really?
Surely the more security sensitive among you are also among the geekier. Right? Are you saying you don't have a spare computer around anywhere? You can't plug the stick into some old non-internet connected junk computer to see what is there? You aren't curious enough to do so? What could possibly happen? Corrupt a spare machine with some virus? So what? Ghost the thing beforehand if it's that big of a deal. I suppose there could possibly be something on it that will actually harm the hardware. Nobody writes that kind of lowlevel malware anymore though, not unless they are working for a government attacking another government's nuclear program anyway. Even if you did run into some old hardware eating virus, with all the outdated yet perfectly usable hardware lying around these days who cares?
Personally if I had that much of a security phobia I would have a junker sitting around just for this purpose. I'd have two identical hard drives and would just copy the good unexposed OS image back and forth each time I wanted to test something I didn't trust. Fortunately I don't have this phobia. I would just wait until I got home and stick it in my desktop which runs Linux.
Yes, I know that even Linux has security holes and yes there have been viri and other attacks on it. I also know that statistics are on my side, I am probably more likely to get run over a bus where the driver was struck by lightning than to ever encounter a problem simply viewing files on a Linux machine. Also... no auto-run!
Then you just donwload it and install it. Android doesn't lock you into only installing apps through the marketplace like iPhone does.
Umm.. so all that killing and oppression should be repeated and 'learned from' until somebody gets it right and then we will have a communist utopia? Is that what you are saying?
"The cycle is historically clear"
[citation needed]
"Chinese students paying high tuitions to our cash-strapped universities."
Since when do foreign students pay tuition in the US? The taxpayers do that through scholarships. Only US citizens have to actually pay for their educations in the US.
IF frequencies, CPU/bus clocks, harmonics, etc...
and that's just for testing a single device
once you get multiple devices you have to consider intermod too!
Why is this an issue? Unix admins ought to be able to handle this. Noobs shouldn't even care. Do they even know what a uid is? why?
Sweet, thanks! Now I can have gg: for google so that firefox works the same as kde/konqueror! I used to type that into Firefox by habit all the time!
So seamonkey it is then...
What would really happen if someone yelled fire in a cinema?
The other movie watchers would yell at them to sit down, shut up and stop interrupting the movie. Who expects a real fire to be announced by some dummy in the middle of the crowded room noticing it when nobody else does? I think the crowd would just assume the shouter is being an idiot until they see or smell it or the alarm actually goes off.
Would you come drive me to work and back every day please? There are no buses, trains, etc... which go that way.
Wow, you put out that strawman and look how all the suckers showed up to burn it for you!
Wait, what country are you describing? 2 minorities fighting over freedoms and an aPATHETIC majority... Sounds like Earth to me!
It's our culture on Slashdot to hate censorship in all forms and in all places. Who are you to judge us? Hypocrite!
Actually, the "it's their values which are different from ours" argument, as often as it is spouted is wrong. If censorship is some people's culture, if it's their choice then it wouldn't exist. There would be no need. Nobody would be saying anything they would need to censor. Censorship is just one group, majority or not oppressing another. Attempts to redefine it around a different cultures values are nonsense.