If we want to argue in favour of Linux only in terms of features (more stable, excellent browsers, spreadsheet needs work, wordprocessors ok, multimedia tricky etc.) then we throw away our most compelling strengths.
I didn't mean it's not good to talk about it. I mean, that's why it was born in the first place. It's just something that the average street man wouldn't seize at its full degree of importance.
Stressing on that would look like an attempt to distract the attention from the actual problems Linux does have. I'd play a full disclosure advocacy. Yes, we do have problems, and you, yes, you, english lady waiting for your husband to come home from the pub, linux is not for you right now. The reasons are the following (bitchin' on proprietary "standards"), but if enough _interested_ people join in, then it'll become also for you. We are working for you too....but I'd probably never choose to partecipate in such a "fight". I'm a full time OSX user, sometimes Windows user, and Linux...sysadmin. I simply decided I do not have the time to concentrate on a linux desktop as it's too time consuming. But I do hope it'll become more standardized and straightforward to set up a linux desktop, and I'll happily switch. As a server, in the meantime, is my heaven. And that's how I can support Linux.
I foresee a potential disaster in the linux presentation.
It's undoubtful that the most hardcore Free Software fringe of the Linux community has the most public appeal. I mean...they're somewhat "weird", it's likely that the BBC will chose a super nerdy guy that bitches on everything that is not free software, and the topic will change from a mere technical analysis to the usual religion flamwar.
Windows and OSX will be presented as desktop systems. I doubt the server side of the story will be interesting to the average BBC listener. Linux, unfortunately, will fail to show its good cards there. I'm not talking about mere graphics, of course, but the whole user friendlyness "from the scratch", hardware support...
And I, for one, welcome our holographic interactive ancestors overlord
Seriously, I've been thinking about this matter. I mean, a CD or a Hard Disk, at first glance, might seem tougher and more durable than a hyeroglyph on a wall in a pyramid....but it's not! And all of our knowledge might be gone if not backed up, in not so much time...
Well...most people here in europe thought "no matter what currency they give us....I will think internally in...say, Italian Lira, for as long as I shall live".
Now, some 5 years after the EURO introduction, most people I know never make a conversion before judging prices, fees and such.. It became part of our life like the older currency. It did have some economic effects at various levels, but that's another story. The important thing is that most people, even elderly that "you wouldn't know" assimilated the transition.
I think you can do the same in the US. Come on, you have to make the last step...it's just a matter of feet...I mean meters! Meters!!
You might consider trying NeoOffice on Mac OSX. It's (still) based on 2.0, but it provides you with a sexy aqua interface that according to the OO developers is just around the corner but "not there yet".
The Foxmarks extension is better than the Google Bookmark synchronizer, as I've been told (or I read it somewhere) that GBS requires you to access to your bookmarks from one location at a time.
Anyway, I've been using foxmarks for 6 months now, and I take for granted that when I'm at my parent's and I bookmark something on my firefox on their WinXP machine, I'll have that something available on my Macbook on my breakfast newsreading, and in the afternoon on my linux box for working.
God, this news in unbelievably way down my RSS feeder's list:D I doubt anyone will read this anyway....it happens that Apple's SO works only (at least officially) on Apple's hardware. (which, btw it's bundled now with a (ugly) MS office demo, as my new macbook revealed me)
MS doesn't sell computers. If it did, it could put in whatever see fit, IMHO, with any software restriction as long as I (without warranty penalites) am able to wipe out the system and, say, install a less MScentric version of windows, or something from the FOSS world.
The sentence is not about what windows do, but about what doing that cause to the market.
Under this perspective, the 95% - 5% ratio of the parent post sounds like a consequence, rather than a cause.
My 2, confused after an exam in universty paired with high temp (body and air) and cough, cents. (this post might win the prize for the most unreadable sentences..)
The Wizard? Isn't it the movie with which the whole world got aware of the hidden whistle in the the first castle?!?
I remember watching the movie on tv, late at night and staying up most of the night exploring world 4,5 and 6 (I didn't know that if I whistled on level 2 I'd be going much further in the levels...)
Still, I never managed to finish the game, I always rushed to world 8 with a kinda poor lives number.
Nice things to remember. I was a kid and I had A LOT of spare time...ah, the good ol' days...
Seems like TFA's server is having a hard time dealing with the/. visits flooding.
Anyway, would it be totally wrong to compare the creation of reactOS (and in some ways Wine) to what was done before the creation of a Posix standard? I mean, I'm not really prepared in this kind of "ancient history" (!), yet I seem to remember there were some efforts to rev engineer the early unix syscalls in order to build compatible environments.
I hope this is not completely OT, I seem to remember having read something about this, yet I can't remember when and where (damn early-morning/late-night surfing sessions:D)
Well, let's take for granted that you actually can poke a hole in the suit, i'll give you 2 reasons because you might not be able to do it properly:
1. The suits have a sort of backpack with radios, oxigen and other stuff, and you are likely to be travelling away from the iss on your back, assuming no tumbling (see point 2). The backpack it's not accessible using your bare hands (i.e. no tools long enough to get there)
2. Tumbling. As you can't just "turn around" if you are stuck in scenario 1 above, you can't stop from tumbling.
Do you have a office chair? Sit on it and spin it. Then, in the first 5 seconds (enough to consider mechanical friction and air drag negligible) try to stop it or reverse the motion without grabbing anything or setting your feet on the ground. A hole in, say, your chest area, in that case would cause a approximately even thrust in every direction (dependent from the tumbling).
Nope, that's no that easy.
Those lil' things are to be credited for this. The Doctor would say that his neural pathways were reconfigured by advanced Borg technology. Bless the collective.
Since landmines are often buried, I wonder what kind of energy source do they use, and how do they mimetize on the grounde, if they can't be buried (how would they move then).
Yup, I haven't RTFA.
I would have said funny, at most, because either it's a joke or you think the shuttle is going to explode on launch.
Now, speaking of the safety concern, it's all about foam coming off the tank, and even in case of a thermal insulation damage, that's a concern for reentry, not launch. That's why it's been said that the guys could be staying on the ISS. The other concern that, right together with bad weather, popped off yesterday it's nothing that could trigger a "billion dollar fireworks" show. I'm not an expert but I've been following the space program since the Columbia accident, and let me tell you people (with tv news inspiration) tend to speak a little too much about this things.
Open-source advocates were being known as Communists (Left), and now the same group of people become Christians (Right)?
I am NOT a communist, but still support OSS. I'm not such a big Christian either, I mean, I grew up in a catholic family but I'm not a strong believer. Still, I don't like proprietary software. I'm not leftwing (even though here in Europe right and left are somehow different than in the USA)
All in all, the real point is: what on earth has to do the OSS dispute with political, or worse, religious issues?
You can make good money out of OSS, and I'm pretty sure Jesus would have kicked out the Temple both Steve Ballmer or the Red Hat CEO:)
Well, the reason you can't see wine with ps is just because the ps binary is modified so you cannot see it. Isn't it commonpratice these days to put rootkits on user machines?:D
Just kidding, I'm dowloading it and I thing google is doing a lot of great stuff these days. And linux is getting more and more into big companies plans everyday. Which is good. For everybody.
I sooo wanted to be the first one to come up with the holodeck comparison.
I made a/. account practically just for this.
Anyway, that's it. Computer, delete character Antek.
"unable to comply. He's not part of the simulation"
what the hell..Computer, exit..I'm outa here....:)
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Actually, I do. ;-)
This is a bad sign on the geeky scale, right?
If we want to argue in favour of Linux only in terms of features (more stable, excellent browsers, spreadsheet needs work, wordprocessors ok, multimedia tricky etc.) then we throw away our most compelling strengths.
...but I'd probably never choose to partecipate in such a "fight". I'm a full time OSX user, sometimes Windows user, and Linux...sysadmin.
I didn't mean it's not good to talk about it. I mean, that's why it was born in the first place.
It's just something that the average street man wouldn't seize at its full degree of importance.
Stressing on that would look like an attempt to distract the attention from the actual problems Linux does have.
I'd play a full disclosure advocacy. Yes, we do have problems, and you, yes, you, english lady waiting for your husband to come home from the pub, linux is not for you right now. The reasons are the following (bitchin' on proprietary "standards"), but if enough _interested_ people join in, then it'll become also for you. We are working for you too.
I simply decided I do not have the time to concentrate on a linux desktop as it's too time consuming.
But I do hope it'll become more standardized and straightforward to set up a linux desktop, and I'll happily switch.
As a server, in the meantime, is my heaven. And that's how I can support Linux.
I foresee a potential disaster in the linux presentation.
It's undoubtful that the most hardcore Free Software fringe of the Linux community has the most public appeal.
I mean...they're somewhat "weird", it's likely that the BBC will chose a super nerdy guy that bitches on everything that is not free software, and the topic will change from a mere technical analysis to the usual religion flamwar.
Windows and OSX will be presented as desktop systems. I doubt the server side of the story will be interesting to the average BBC listener.
Linux, unfortunately, will fail to show its good cards there. I'm not talking about mere graphics, of course, but the whole user friendlyness "from the scratch", hardware support...
I hope the supporters choice will be wise.
> I mean, can you imagine 1 billion well-educated people working on innovations or being "artists"?
Sure. According to Mr Jobs, that's what's happen inside their Cupertino HQ.
Kal-el, I speak to you from an ancient time...
And I, for one, welcome our holographic interactive ancestors overlord
Seriously, I've been thinking about this matter.
I mean, a CD or a Hard Disk, at first glance, might seem tougher and more durable than a hyeroglyph on a wall in a pyramid....but it's not!
And all of our knowledge might be gone if not backed up, in not so much time...
Well...most people here in europe thought "no matter what currency they give us....I will think internally in...say, Italian Lira, for as long as I shall live".
Now, some 5 years after the EURO introduction, most people I know never make a conversion before judging prices, fees and such..
It became part of our life like the older currency. It did have some economic effects at various levels, but that's another story.
The important thing is that most people, even elderly that "you wouldn't know" assimilated the transition.
I think you can do the same in the US.
Come on, you have to make the last step...it's just a matter of feet...I mean meters! Meters!!
You might consider trying NeoOffice on Mac OSX.
It's (still) based on 2.0, but it provides you with a sexy aqua interface that according to the OO developers is just around the corner but "not there yet".
And I bet it'll be OO 2.1 based in a week or so
...drag and drop the attached OCX to your application. :)
Congratulation
...welcome our alien probe stealing overlords... ...forgive me, I always wanted to do this :D
I did a full text search on the comments for "hands", and I saw your post.
I was going to write just about the same things.
Anyway, you're right, I'd expected more people to come out with that....
The Foxmarks extension is better than the Google Bookmark synchronizer, as I've been told (or I read it somewhere) that GBS requires you to access to your bookmarks from one location at a time.
Anyway, I've been using foxmarks for 6 months now, and I take for granted that when I'm at my parent's and I bookmark something on my firefox on their WinXP machine, I'll have that something available on my Macbook on my breakfast newsreading, and in the afternoon on my linux box for working.
Seamlessly.
God, this news in unbelievably way down my RSS feeder's list :D
I doubt anyone will read this anyway....it happens that Apple's SO works only (at least officially) on Apple's hardware.
(which, btw it's bundled now with a (ugly) MS office demo, as my new macbook revealed me)
MS doesn't sell computers. If it did, it could put in whatever see fit, IMHO, with any software restriction as long as I (without warranty penalites) am able to wipe out the system and, say, install a less MScentric version of windows, or something from the FOSS world.
The sentence is not about what windows do, but about what doing that cause to the market.
Under this perspective, the 95% - 5% ratio of the parent post sounds like a consequence, rather than a cause.
My 2, confused after an exam in universty paired with high temp (body and air) and cough, cents.
(this post might win the prize for the most unreadable sentences..)
The Wizard?
Isn't it the movie with which the whole world got aware of the hidden whistle in the the first castle?!?
I remember watching the movie on tv, late at night and staying up most of the night exploring world 4,5 and 6 (I didn't know that if I whistled on level 2 I'd be going much further in the levels...)
Still, I never managed to finish the game, I always rushed to world 8 with a kinda poor lives number.
Nice things to remember. I was a kid and I had A LOT of spare time...ah, the good ol' days...
Seems like TFA's server is having a hard time dealing with the /. visits flooding.
:D)
Anyway, would it be totally wrong to compare the creation of reactOS (and in some ways Wine) to what was done before the creation of a Posix standard?
I mean, I'm not really prepared in this kind of "ancient history" (!), yet I seem to remember there were some efforts to rev engineer the early unix syscalls in order to build compatible environments.
I hope this is not completely OT, I seem to remember having read something about this, yet I can't remember when and where (damn early-morning/late-night surfing sessions
Well, let's take for granted that you actually can poke a hole in the suit, i'll give you 2 reasons because you might not be able to do it properly: 1. The suits have a sort of backpack with radios, oxigen and other stuff, and you are likely to be travelling away from the iss on your back, assuming no tumbling (see point 2). The backpack it's not accessible using your bare hands (i.e. no tools long enough to get there) 2. Tumbling. As you can't just "turn around" if you are stuck in scenario 1 above, you can't stop from tumbling. Do you have a office chair? Sit on it and spin it. Then, in the first 5 seconds (enough to consider mechanical friction and air drag negligible) try to stop it or reverse the motion without grabbing anything or setting your feet on the ground. A hole in, say, your chest area, in that case would cause a approximately even thrust in every direction (dependent from the tumbling). Nope, that's no that easy.
Those lil' things are to be credited for this.
The Doctor would say that his neural pathways were reconfigured by advanced Borg technology.
Bless the collective.
Since landmines are often buried, I wonder what kind of energy source do they use, and how do they mimetize on the grounde, if they can't be buried (how would they move then). Yup, I haven't RTFA.
You've been modded as insightful.
I would have said funny, at most, because either it's a joke or you think the shuttle is going to explode on launch.
Now, speaking of the safety concern, it's all about foam coming off the tank, and even in case of a thermal insulation damage, that's a concern for reentry, not launch. That's why it's been said that the guys could be staying on the ISS.
The other concern that, right together with bad weather, popped off yesterday it's nothing that could trigger a "billion dollar fireworks" show.
I'm not an expert but I've been following the space program since the Columbia accident, and let me tell you people (with tv news inspiration) tend to speak a little too much about this things.
Just my 2*10^-2, nothing personal.
Honestly, I don't see the need for a String Theory. Weren't the good old char array good enough?
Open-source advocates were being known as Communists (Left), and now the same group of people become Christians (Right)?
:)
I am NOT a communist, but still support OSS.
I'm not such a big Christian either, I mean, I grew up in a catholic family but I'm not a strong believer. Still, I don't like proprietary software.
I'm not leftwing (even though here in Europe right and left are somehow different than in the USA)
All in all, the real point is: what on earth has to do the OSS dispute with political, or worse, religious issues?
You can make good money out of OSS, and I'm pretty sure Jesus would have kicked out the Temple both Steve Ballmer or the Red Hat CEO
My 2 cents.
Well, the reason you can't see wine with ps is just because the ps binary is modified so you cannot see it. :D
Isn't it commonpratice these days to put rootkits on user machines?
Just kidding, I'm dowloading it and I thing google is doing a lot of great stuff these days.
And linux is getting more and more into big companies plans everyday. Which is good. For everybody.
I sooo wanted to be the first one to come up with the holodeck comparison. I made a /. account practically just for this.
Anyway, that's it. Computer, delete character Antek.
"unable to comply. He's not part of the simulation"
what the hell..Computer, exit..I'm outa here....:)