Serious question: does it bother you that its email account passwords are limited to 16 characters? Sounds like you manage a SMB for a company (or for yourself), and that seems like a pretty big issue. I would assume hosting it yourself doesn't have this problem (though I don't know the answer to this one).
Elsewhere in this thread, in prompted me to wonder if it's because of what you just said. Maybe in our "modern cloud world," where our stuff is available everywhere on everything, the idea of managing your 5 user licenses or which software is on which machine is an irritation we no longer will deal with. And it's regardless of how good a product is.
Amen. Though I do wonder if the drop is because people are using *alternatives* to Excel and not replacements. Think Marketo, HubSpot or Salesforce--where it eliminates the entire need for the analysis step and simply displays what you need from dashboards once it's integrated a company's workflow.
This might be a factor and you may be on to something. Maybe in our "modern cloud world," where our stuff is available everywhere on everything, the idea of managing your 5 users or which software is on which machine is an irratation we no longer will deal with. And it's regardless of how good a product is.
Very interesting and insightful. What are your thoughts on 365 here? I'm really perplexed on the massive Y/Y drop.
1) Model changed: people are now using Dropbox Paper & Quip, Prezi (vs. PPT), Marketo (vs. Excel for BI), etc. instead? 2) They got 365 & found out they didn't really use it much. Then many didn't renew and there weren't enough new subs to both replace & surpass? 3) Did a direct replacement really succeed, for example Docs? I'm talking consumer & SMB's 5-10 employees, as 'm guessing they're the only ones buying these subs on an individual basis
For once, can we have a real discussion about this? I wonder what's the reason. Anybody have an *educated* guess?
1) Model changed: people are now using Dropbox Paper & Quip, Prezi (vs. PPT), Marketo (vs. Excel for BI), etc. instead? 2) They got 365 & found out they didn't really use it much. Then many didn't renew and there weren't enough new subs to both replace & surpass? 3) Did a direct replacement really succeed, for example Docs? I'm talking consumer & SMB's 5-10 employees, as 'm guessing they're the only ones buying these subs on an individual basis
I know. I don't think I've *ever* seen a helpful comment ever though in the 20 years I've been reading.
There are a decent number of really neat paid options. But I believe they all use GMail as a backend and none of available on Linux. Also, KMail and Evolution. Can't recommend Windows Mail--not full-featured enough. However, beware. In many instances with some clients, 5% of email doesn't send without you knowing. I don't hear the same from users who use webmail (unless it's spam).
Oh Slashdot--as usual, 318 comments and not one helpful comment--coupled with obvious useless suggestions ("webmail!" "mutt!" "pine!"). *Anyway*, Evolution or KMail. I haven't tried them in years, but may be good. Outlook is fantastic. I don't use it, but have seen the new one enough to love the UX. However, it has serious problems with IMAP--5% of emails don't go through. Mileage may vary. I always loved Pine, but it's 2015. It's not a realistic suggestion.
Expose can be changed though. System Preferences > Mission Control > uncheck "Group Windows By Application".
Spent a long time searching for this, and it was right in front of my nose (maybe they didn't have it in mavericks???) Thank goodness for this. You're 100% correct--expose is worthless without this. Figured you missed it as well and thought it would help.
Ha you should. I held out too all these years. Long story though, but I finally might be forced to use it.:(
On that note, because I don't want to give facebook that data to begin with and have it act as malware and scrape all my email accounts and browsing history (even if I'm logged out), I was thinking of the following. Let me know what you think Slashdotters:
1) Does running FB as a different user on the same machine (but obviously then running the same browser executable) preclude FB from getting the other user's data. Does (Windows in this case) it treat multiple users as truly different and private, in regards to the browser?
2) Or should I simply use a different browser solely for FB which wouldn't let it get any data in my other browser?
I ask because I simply refuse to let the ultimate in malware, aka Facebook, scrape all my browsing history, emails and content, contacts, etc. Also, don't forget, all shady 3rd party companies get your data too.
I use mine as a travel planner or dedicated documentation display or thought collector at conferences. I also use it quite often for review and composing of email. I've also used it to create whole presentations.
I type 100 WPM. I use my laptop as a thought collector too. I type as fast as I think. Using a touch keyboard is bad enough. To use an iPad without even haptic feedback, oh my god. I've done it--I wanted to kill myself after the first 3 minutes. And for conferences? Seriously? What do you do for a living?
Me: "Oh that looks interesting, show me the revised PivotTable" iPad Dataviz user "oh, my iPad can't do that. But I can play the keyboard on it!"
Me: delivers my presentation with MS PowerPoint. Uses the standard VGA cable the place has. iPad user: "oh sorry guys, my PowerPoint isn't displaying all the proper elements because Keynote is having trouble with the formatting." and "oh shit, I forgot my 30-pin-to-VGA adapter!"
Don't forget that people who make actual REAL PowerPoint presentations do more than 4 lines of text on a slide.
Or if you're in IT:
Me: "Oh you want to see the code? Hang on, I'll fire up Eclipse and show you. Want to see it run? No problem, I'll compile it for you." iPad user: "fuck."
And to solve all these problems, you could always bring a laptop AND a iPad. But then why buy the iPad in the first place? Oh yea--toy. You remind me of The Verge reporters who bring an iPhone, iPad, and MBA with them. I still get a kick out of that.
Perhaps you are too set in your ways to use an iPad for real work, but much of the rest of the world is more fortunate.
Uh no, I just actually have to get stuff done. Did you miss the article where the entire school demanded they get their computers back after the department got iPads? Or that one country recently that did the same? No, pretty much the rest of the world doesn't agree. But again, feel free to do what u want. I'll be happily actually not being hindered in my computing experience.
We must be using a different iOS then. Just about every app I have used has been buggy, crashed frequently, had almost no features compared to its desktop or web based brethren. Do you really want me to list, app by app, what's on my iPhone and tell you how shitty each one is? I will if you want.
Yes in fact that would be interesting. I use apps that are generally stable and do things that I need. I'm not sure why you would install a bunch of buggy, crashing apps instead of finding better solutions.
1) Saleforce App: useless. Only let's you access like 1% of your entire database. You have NO way of finding the rest of your data, short of a search if you can remember the main lead or opportunity title. Doesn't even give all calendar data. Ridiculous considering you spend $330/yr on it 2) Dataviz office: crashes, buggy, poor document compatibility, can't even make headers and footers. Totally useless. 3) IGN: crashes, poor design, not total access to all site's data 4) Apple Maps: absolutely fucking awful. period. 5) Youtube: well now we have access to the google version. prior to that, youtube was a total nightmare. couldn't do a simple thing of playing the HD version on a cell connection, only wi-fi. 6) Travelocity app: only contains 5% of the ability of its desktop version. Used to be basically a web app. I think they redesigned though. Haven't tried it because it was such a nightmare. 7) CNET: actually not bad. But displays a video ad after every 2 pageviews. Nightmare. 8) Fring: crashes *ever* goddamn minute. Atriocious. Also, can barely intergrate with a SIP provider--super buggy with lots of failed connects. 9) Mapquest: oh my god fucking awful. Slow refreshes and navigation (not driving but pushing the app's buttons), but at least better than fucking iOS maps. At least it's data is correct. 10) Urbanspoon. Just garbage. Lacks so much of the fun
Win 8 tablet: apps to use, plus a *real* OS when I need it. Tired of using bullshit dataviz office on the go? Fire up MS Office 2010. Don't want to play bullshit touch games? Fire up Dead Space, Mass Effect, etc.
Please explain why that approach will suddenly work now when it failed for about a decade straight before Apple introduced the iPad.
Because Apple made a new *toy*. iFans would buy shit in a box if it had a fruit logo on it. Regardless, I don't care. Enjoy your shiny toy. I'll be getting real work done. And watch sales numbers of iPads year-over-year decline and lose marketshare to Android and Win 8. It's going to happen. You still free to dream what u want though.
iPad: iOS apps. Limited feature
It's called "focused" and is why Apple has sold tens of millions to date. Odd how people appreciate well written software that tries to solve a specific problem.
We must be using a different iOS then. Just about every app I have used has been buggy, crashed frequently, had almost no features compared to its desktop or web based brethren. Do you really want me to list, app by app, what's on my iPhone and tell you how shitty each one is? I will if you want.
Always nice to know that Apple plant's stories (or exposes the media bias). I love how everytime some big iPad killer is announced, *someone* posts a story about the iPad mini. Remember the Nexus 7 launch? One week later there was a iPad mini that proved to be vaporware. At least this time it's BEFORE the launch of Win 8, so we'll see it was just a plant story of vaporware.
So Apple must have planted these stories even though their official stance has been "We don't comment on upcoming products." All the while they are orchestrating some media campaign to discredit competing devices (which they don't really compete against anyways). Or the other plausible explanation is that in the vacuum of real information, many fans endlessly speculate on upcoming products? If you want FUD campaigns, see what MS was doing in the 80s and 90s. The problem for MS is that it doesn't work any more.
Yup. It's classic PR. Just like those "supposed" lost iPhones, that happened *twice* around the time before it was soon released. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. They simply had someone in the company release to the media as a anonymous "trusted" source some BS about the iPad mini. So you're telling me the iPad mini was released when the Nexus 7 was? I haven't heard anything about it.
Apple is the world's best marketing company. You think they don't practice good marketing and PR?
And again, they do compete. Their marketing is orchestrated in a way to make you think they don't. That's actually one of the main tenants of their entire campaign. "Think Different." To make you think they don't even try to compete and want to deal with you. Make no mistake, they are shitting their pants about Win 8 tablets. They just want you to think they aren't.
You are pretty naive. Your nickname really is appropriate for your statement.
Agreed. Plus as someone elsewhere posted, anyone who wants an iPad, has one. Besides:
Win 8 tablet: apps to use, plus a *real* OS when I need it. Tired of using bullshit dataviz office on the go? Fire up MS Office 2010. Don't want to play bullshit touch games? Fire up Dead Space, Mass Effect, etc. (limited to what a intel HD 4000 that can play)
Always nice to know that Apple plant's stories (or exposes the media bias). I love how everytime some big iPad killer is announced, *someone* posts a story about the iPad mini. Remember the Nexus 7 launch? One week later there was a iPad mini that proved to be vaporware. At least this time it's BEFORE the launch of Win 8, so we'll see it was just a plant story of vaporware.
Forgot to mention to that it's probably all about greed. I suspect this is really about not wanting to lose a cut of his profits. Remember all those B.S. excuses about not wanting to deliver his game to Steam users? The service which is basically the anti-MS?
Notch is simply very skilled at being able troll the internet and being an attention whore. You all think he is the fabled developer of Minecraft. No, he's just the world's best indie PR person.
He needs to desperately draw attention to himself via the game press who eats it up to maintain relevant so he can milk more out of the one game he's ever made, if at all (didn't someone else do all the main stuff of the game?).
I just laugh, because remember that tweet he made about not being as open because people will mis-read. So it's ok if it generates more press towards your $30 *indie* game, but not good if it negatively affects your name and brand.
With everyone willingly giving up everything to go into walled gardens, and the obvious superiority of native code applications*, is HTML5 a dead end?
Discuss! (ha)
* Not saying that pretty much all apps on smartphones I've used aren't buggy, featureless, poorly designed piece of shit--they are--so much so. And I love the openness of using web sites and never having to need to update my software. I love it. I'm just saying they have the *potential*.
You know, that's a good point. Never thought about that.
But then I thought, it isn't true. I saw it with a few of my friends, but the reality is this: they just connect to WiFi access points instead. It's just different usage patterns.
For example, they use their smartphones all the time. They just use WiFi in their house. When they leave, they connect to work's. Or they connect at Starbucks when they sit down for coffee. Or when they go out for lunch they connect to the place's WiFi. And this is most of the world. Regardless of what tech sites and the carriers want you to think, not everyone has $100/mo cell bills with data plans. Even iPhone users.
You are celebrating an evil company who makes inferior products, has cult people constantly justify that and spout BS vitriol about the superiority to others? Way to go man! (read:sarcasm).
They're are a ton of companies in our history that went to shit. Even Apple itself. Gee, I don't know, remember when it went *bankrupt* in 1997?
Slashdot Mirror
Serious question: does it bother you that its email account passwords are limited to 16 characters? Sounds like you manage a SMB for a company (or for yourself), and that seems like a pretty big issue. I would assume hosting it yourself doesn't have this problem (though I don't know the answer to this one).
There is *no* replacement for Office, if you're doing anything more than writing a letter or typing a school report.
Elsewhere in this thread, in prompted me to wonder if it's because of what you just said. Maybe in our "modern cloud world," where our stuff is available everywhere on everything, the idea of managing your 5 user licenses or which software is on which machine is an irritation we no longer will deal with. And it's regardless of how good a product is.
There's been a "New Window" button for years, which does what you're looking for and thus negating the need for multiple instances.
*Slaps forehead*. OMG the ribbon thing, it's been 10 years. Just stop.
Amen. Though I do wonder if the drop is because people are using *alternatives* to Excel and not replacements. Think Marketo, HubSpot or Salesforce--where it eliminates the entire need for the analysis step and simply displays what you need from dashboards once it's integrated a company's workflow.
This might be a factor and you may be on to something. Maybe in our "modern cloud world," where our stuff is available everywhere on everything, the idea of managing your 5 users or which software is on which machine is an irratation we no longer will deal with. And it's regardless of how good a product is.
Seriously? *That* was the reason you stopped subscribing? Meanwhile, in the real world this isn't the reason.
Still complaining about the ribbon? 2007 wants your meme back. Also, no. Just stop.
Very interesting and insightful. What are your thoughts on 365 here? I'm really perplexed on the massive Y/Y drop.
1) Model changed: people are now using Dropbox Paper & Quip, Prezi (vs. PPT), Marketo (vs. Excel for BI), etc. instead?
2) They got 365 & found out they didn't really use it much. Then many didn't renew and there weren't enough new subs to both replace & surpass?
3) Did a direct replacement really succeed, for example Docs? I'm talking consumer & SMB's 5-10 employees, as 'm guessing they're the only ones buying these subs on an individual basis
For once, can we have a real discussion about this? I wonder what's the reason. Anybody have an *educated* guess?
1) Model changed: people are now using Dropbox Paper & Quip, Prezi (vs. PPT), Marketo (vs. Excel for BI), etc. instead?
2) They got 365 & found out they didn't really use it much. Then many didn't renew and there weren't enough new subs to both replace & surpass?
3) Did a direct replacement really succeed, for example Docs? I'm talking consumer & SMB's 5-10 employees, as 'm guessing they're the only ones buying these subs on an individual basis
I know. I don't think I've *ever* seen a helpful comment ever though in the 20 years I've been reading.
There are a decent number of really neat paid options. But I believe they all use GMail as a backend and none of available on Linux. Also, KMail and Evolution. Can't recommend Windows Mail--not full-featured enough. However, beware. In many instances with some clients, 5% of email doesn't send without you knowing. I don't hear the same from users who use webmail (unless it's spam).
Oh Slashdot--as usual, 318 comments and not one helpful comment--coupled with obvious useless suggestions ("webmail!" "mutt!" "pine!"). *Anyway*, Evolution or KMail. I haven't tried them in years, but may be good. Outlook is fantastic. I don't use it, but have seen the new one enough to love the UX. However, it has serious problems with IMAP--5% of emails don't go through. Mileage may vary. I always loved Pine, but it's 2015. It's not a realistic suggestion.
I wholeheartedly agree with you.
Expose can be changed though. System Preferences > Mission Control > uncheck "Group Windows By Application".
Spent a long time searching for this, and it was right in front of my nose (maybe they didn't have it in mavericks???) Thank goodness for this. You're 100% correct--expose is worthless without this. Figured you missed it as well and thought it would help.
Ha you should. I held out too all these years. Long story though, but I finally might be forced to use it. :(
On that note, because I don't want to give facebook that data to begin with and have it act as malware and scrape all my email accounts and browsing history (even if I'm logged out), I was thinking of the following. Let me know what you think Slashdotters:
1) Does running FB as a different user on the same machine (but obviously then running the same browser executable) preclude FB from getting the other user's data. Does (Windows in this case) it treat multiple users as truly different and private, in regards to the browser?
2) Or should I simply use a different browser solely for FB which wouldn't let it get any data in my other browser?
I ask because I simply refuse to let the ultimate in malware, aka Facebook, scrape all my browsing history, emails and content, contacts, etc. Also, don't forget, all shady 3rd party companies get your data too.
I use mine as a travel planner or dedicated documentation display or thought collector at conferences. I also use it quite often for review and composing of email. I've also used it to create whole presentations.
I type 100 WPM. I use my laptop as a thought collector too. I type as fast as I think. Using a touch keyboard is bad enough. To use an iPad without even haptic feedback, oh my god. I've done it--I wanted to kill myself after the first 3 minutes. And for conferences? Seriously? What do you do for a living?
Me: "Oh that looks interesting, show me the revised PivotTable"
iPad Dataviz user "oh, my iPad can't do that. But I can play the keyboard on it!"
Me: delivers my presentation with MS PowerPoint. Uses the standard VGA cable the place has.
iPad user: "oh sorry guys, my PowerPoint isn't displaying all the proper elements because Keynote is having trouble with the formatting." and "oh shit, I forgot my 30-pin-to-VGA adapter!"
Don't forget that people who make actual REAL PowerPoint presentations do more than 4 lines of text on a slide.
Or if you're in IT:
Me: "Oh you want to see the code? Hang on, I'll fire up Eclipse and show you. Want to see it run? No problem, I'll compile it for you."
iPad user: "fuck."
And to solve all these problems, you could always bring a laptop AND a iPad. But then why buy the iPad in the first place? Oh yea--toy. You remind me of The Verge reporters who bring an iPhone, iPad, and MBA with them. I still get a kick out of that.
Perhaps you are too set in your ways to use an iPad for real work, but much of the rest of the world is more fortunate.
Uh no, I just actually have to get stuff done. Did you miss the article where the entire school demanded they get their computers back after the department got iPads? Or that one country recently that did the same? No, pretty much the rest of the world doesn't agree. But again, feel free to do what u want. I'll be happily actually not being hindered in my computing experience.
We must be using a different iOS then. Just about every app I have used has been buggy, crashed frequently, had almost no features compared to its desktop or web based brethren. Do you really want me to list, app by app, what's on my iPhone and tell you how shitty each one is? I will if you want.
Yes in fact that would be interesting. I use apps that are generally stable and do things that I need. I'm not sure why you would install a bunch of buggy, crashing apps instead of finding better solutions.
1) Saleforce App: useless. Only let's you access like 1% of your entire database. You have NO way of finding the rest of your data, short of a search if you can remember the main lead or opportunity title. Doesn't even give all calendar data. Ridiculous considering you spend $330/yr on it
2) Dataviz office: crashes, buggy, poor document compatibility, can't even make headers and footers. Totally useless.
3) IGN: crashes, poor design, not total access to all site's data
4) Apple Maps: absolutely fucking awful. period.
5) Youtube: well now we have access to the google version. prior to that, youtube was a total nightmare. couldn't do a simple thing of playing the HD version on a cell connection, only wi-fi.
6) Travelocity app: only contains 5% of the ability of its desktop version. Used to be basically a web app. I think they redesigned though. Haven't tried it because it was such a nightmare.
7) CNET: actually not bad. But displays a video ad after every 2 pageviews. Nightmare.
8) Fring: crashes *ever* goddamn minute. Atriocious. Also, can barely intergrate with a SIP provider--super buggy with lots of failed connects.
9) Mapquest: oh my god fucking awful. Slow refreshes and navigation (not driving but pushing the app's buttons), but at least better than fucking iOS maps. At least it's data is correct.
10) Urbanspoon. Just garbage. Lacks so much of the fun
Win 8 tablet: apps to use, plus a *real* OS when I need it. Tired of using bullshit dataviz office on the go? Fire up MS Office 2010. Don't want to play bullshit touch games? Fire up Dead Space, Mass Effect, etc.
Please explain why that approach will suddenly work now when it failed for about a decade straight before Apple introduced the iPad.
Because Apple made a new *toy*. iFans would buy shit in a box if it had a fruit logo on it. Regardless, I don't care. Enjoy your shiny toy. I'll be getting real work done. And watch sales numbers of iPads year-over-year decline and lose marketshare to Android and Win 8. It's going to happen. You still free to dream what u want though.
iPad: iOS apps. Limited feature
It's called "focused" and is why Apple has sold tens of millions to date. Odd how people appreciate well written software that tries to solve a specific problem.
We must be using a different iOS then. Just about every app I have used has been buggy, crashed frequently, had almost no features compared to its desktop or web based brethren. Do you really want me to list, app by app, what's on my iPhone and tell you how shitty each one is? I will if you want.
Always nice to know that Apple plant's stories (or exposes the media bias). I love how everytime some big iPad killer is announced, *someone* posts a story about the iPad mini. Remember the Nexus 7 launch? One week later there was a iPad mini that proved to be vaporware. At least this time it's BEFORE the launch of Win 8, so we'll see it was just a plant story of vaporware.
So Apple must have planted these stories even though their official stance has been "We don't comment on upcoming products." All the while they are orchestrating some media campaign to discredit competing devices (which they don't really compete against anyways). Or the other plausible explanation is that in the vacuum of real information, many fans endlessly speculate on upcoming products? If you want FUD campaigns, see what MS was doing in the 80s and 90s. The problem for MS is that it doesn't work any more.
Yup. It's classic PR. Just like those "supposed" lost iPhones, that happened *twice* around the time before it was soon released. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. They simply had someone in the company release to the media as a anonymous "trusted" source some BS about the iPad mini. So you're telling me the iPad mini was released when the Nexus 7 was? I haven't heard anything about it.
Apple is the world's best marketing company. You think they don't practice good marketing and PR?
And again, they do compete. Their marketing is orchestrated in a way to make you think they don't. That's actually one of the main tenants of their entire campaign. "Think Different." To make you think they don't even try to compete and want to deal with you. Make no mistake, they are shitting their pants about Win 8 tablets. They just want you to think they aren't.
You are pretty naive. Your nickname really is appropriate for your statement.
Agreed. Plus as someone elsewhere posted, anyone who wants an iPad, has one. Besides:
Win 8 tablet: apps to use, plus a *real* OS when I need it. Tired of using bullshit dataviz office on the go? Fire up MS Office 2010. Don't want to play bullshit touch games? Fire up Dead Space, Mass Effect, etc. (limited to what a intel HD 4000 that can play)
iPad: iOS apps. Limited feature, buggy, crashes alot apps. Yay.
Always nice to know that Apple plant's stories (or exposes the media bias). I love how everytime some big iPad killer is announced, *someone* posts a story about the iPad mini. Remember the Nexus 7 launch? One week later there was a iPad mini that proved to be vaporware. At least this time it's BEFORE the launch of Win 8, so we'll see it was just a plant story of vaporware.
Forgot to mention to that it's probably all about greed. I suspect this is really about not wanting to lose a cut of his profits. Remember all those B.S. excuses about not wanting to deliver his game to Steam users? The service which is basically the anti-MS?
Yea. Profit.
Shut up Notch. Seriously. Just shut up.
Notch is simply very skilled at being able troll the internet and being an attention whore. You all think he is the fabled developer of Minecraft. No, he's just the world's best indie PR person.
He needs to desperately draw attention to himself via the game press who eats it up to maintain relevant so he can milk more out of the one game he's ever made, if at all (didn't someone else do all the main stuff of the game?).
I just laugh, because remember that tweet he made about not being as open because people will mis-read. So it's ok if it generates more press towards your $30 *indie* game, but not good if it negatively affects your name and brand.
So I re-iterate, just shut up notch.
I wonder if it will even matter anymore?
With everyone willingly giving up everything to go into walled gardens, and the obvious superiority of native code applications*, is HTML5 a dead end?
Discuss! (ha)
* Not saying that pretty much all apps on smartphones I've used aren't buggy, featureless, poorly designed piece of shit--they are--so much so. And I love the openness of using web sites and never having to need to update my software. I love it. I'm just saying they have the *potential*.
You know, that's a good point. Never thought about that.
But then I thought, it isn't true. I saw it with a few of my friends, but the reality is this: they just connect to WiFi access points instead. It's just different usage patterns.
For example, they use their smartphones all the time. They just use WiFi in their house. When they leave, they connect to work's. Or they connect at Starbucks when they sit down for coffee. Or when they go out for lunch they connect to the place's WiFi. And this is most of the world. Regardless of what tech sites and the carriers want you to think, not everyone has $100/mo cell bills with data plans. Even iPhone users.
You are celebrating an evil company who makes inferior products, has cult people constantly justify that and spout BS vitriol about the superiority to others? Way to go man! (read:sarcasm).
They're are a ton of companies in our history that went to shit. Even Apple itself. Gee, I don't know, remember when it went *bankrupt* in 1997?