I scoffed a bit when I RTFS, but the essays are really good and make an excellent case. I read them looking for gaping holes to point out, but really didn't find any major unaddressed concerns.
I have to say RTFA is highly recommended. Read it, you won't be sorry.
Heh, your rant reminds me of the ATT "help" person who told me I "need to call Linux for that" when I was trying to get the server settings for email. Don't feel bad, lots of people say what you just said, but all it proves is that they don't understand the issues. There will never be a "unified" Linux, the very idea is repugnant to those of us who love Linux. Any people driven away by "stupid bickering" are users we don't need.
Just like all modern addresses are IPV6? Or all modern storage is solid state? Or all modern ISPs are either wireless or fibre? Or all modern car designs are super efficient? I know, I hate how they drag it out too, but "all modern" is pretty meaningless until it becomes prevalent, by which time it will be obsolete.
It seems hardly a day goes by without seeing yet another example of Microsoft's utter disregard
for the needs and desires of virtually every market -- consumer, enterprise, and OEM.
Rarely in the history of American business has any company shot themselves in the foot in such a
spectacular manner, earning the ire of so many. I almost feel sorry for them. They really need to
regain some sense regarding Win7, bring back the MinWin idea and use a good, transparent virtualization
scheme for backwards compatability. Otherwise I think they will be pretty well finished in the OS
market. The OEMs are not going down with them if they can help it, you can be sure of that. And once
Windows is no longer the defacto preloaded OS it's all over.
I know I'm feeding an OT poster, but I have the urge, so:
As of today, December XX 2004
So then, you've been reposting a post originally written nearly four years ago, just because it irks you that Roland is capitalizing on his/. submissions? You know, there are much more serious things to get worked up about, why don't you choose a few and make yourself useful? And FYI, you can aways go to your/. prefs page and opt out of RP's stories, and then you won't have to see them anymore.
Wait, so you're saying a vendor of proprietary security software is criticizing FOSS security?!?
Why, this is just too much, how will we ever recover?
And they even based it on 11 whole OSS projects... Game over!
When discussing vaporware, it seems to me that any matters beyond that point are superfluous.
Are you mad?! Vaporware MUST be kept free, or we're all doomed! Seriously though, yes, "the cloud" paradigm is a myth, but it's a myth much beloved by certain software companies who hope to restore the "balance" of scarcity in the future. So if we actually do get "the cloud", it will almost certainly be proprietary, as that's really the whole point. Of course we probably won't get it, as other than reintroducing scarcity, it serves no realistic purpose. At this time, we don't even have a proper definition for "cloud computing", other than "essential software will no longer be local". How transparent is that?
Now that you put it that way, I think you are correct. But I must admit, I like this construct of personal property. OTOH, perhaps in a more perfect world I would prefer to be free of it. Thanks, that is good food for thought.
You're dealing in beliefs, I'm talking about facts. And it's "Ms", not "Mr". And I'm not angry really, if you'll read the post to which I was replying you will notice I was mirroring the words and tone of the AC for effect.
okay, create a full version of photoshop for me without the original copy from adobe. If you can't, there is scarcity.
That's an absurd argument. For one thing, like many millions of others, I do not require PhotoShop -- the gimp is just fine for my graphics needs. Also, once there was no free desktop, no free office suite, no free media player, etc, etc. Are you really so shortsighted? The scarcity you relish exists at this point only due to artificially imposed circumstances which are doomed to failure, period. And at the same time, legitimately free software is stepping up. Look at the eeePC, Dell selling Ubuntu, etc. Look at Firefox, VLC, Thunderbird, OO.o, and so many others that didn't even exist just a few years ago.
You are selling yourself short. The scarcity isn't in the copying, it's in the creating. This is what many people fail to realize (or purposely leave out of the discussion).
The scarcity is one of talent, as you say. But there are many ways to profit from one's talent without creating artificial scarcity. Creating artificial scarcity is immoral and ultimately a battle which cannot be won.
it's okay. Businesses will adapt. When more people like you decide to steal software,
Now you are assuming far too much. I do not own any proprietary software which I did not pay for. In fact, I donate to several free software projects from time to time. So you are way out of line, probably because you are not thinking critically. Admit it, the very idea that the old ways may be obsolete has you frothing at the mouth and just freaking out, and as a result you think you know so much about me. Actually, all you know is that we disagree on something. That's sad, how quickly a person can lose their sense over their belief system being threatened, isn't it? But it will be okay. We'll have a period of adjustment, and then things will be fine.
businesses will come out with better locks. The ultimate lock is software as a service.
That is a foolish thing to say, frankly. You can build all the new, improved DRM you like, build more prisons, pass more laws, but the genie is out of the bottle. It's all over for the dinosaurs who will not adapt. Many will be left to cry into their beer with Prince, or the mafIAA execs. The rest of us will simply be moving on. Historically, we've had to adjust to new economic paradigms before. Like during the industrial revolution, when slavery was abolished, when the horseless carriage became popular, when radio came out...
Maybe you define hatred differently than I, I don't know. I have always considered hatred to be irrational, and a waste of personal resources. I'd just rather not be so emotionally invested. Now if the law required me to buy an iPhone, or if all phones were as locked down as the iPhone, I would hate that. I dislike the fact that Apple's policies are so draconian, and that so many people are apparently brainwashed into thinking they need to be locked up for their own "security" (as we see in several posts in this thread), but how can I be bothered to hate something which is simply an option I do not prefer? Life is full of options, time is short, and so on. The world is going to hell in a handbasket. It has been since long before either of us were born; it will be long after we're dead. How upset am I really supposed to be? All I have to live with is how I feel. How I feel is all I get to take with me when I die. I have my grumpy moods, but hate is just not on my list.
There's nothing irrational about hating Apple. They are the kings of the proprietary and I like being in control of my own hardware.
Any hatred is irrational, but Apple does seem quite opposed to Freedom these days, which is a strong reason not to support them. I still use a Mac a lot because I do multimedia production, which unfortunately only the Mac handles well at this time. But I would never buy an iPhone or an iPod, not with the kind of policies Apple lays down for them. It's a shame too, they could be such nice devices otherwise. And you may be sure the minute there is a Linux alternative for serious mm production*, I'll be switching over altogether.
Support the suppliers who are not trying to lock down the hardware.
Yes, that makes a lot of sense to me. But I guess the looks of a gadget are what matters more to a lot of people.
*please don't post to tell me about ardour, audacity, ecasound, etc. They just aren't ready yet, though I certainly applaud their efforts and look forward to the day they are ready.
I don't see how the OP is a troll. I think it is stupid to buy a locked down device to jailbreak it, especially when there are more open options available. I mean, unless you're so superficial and trendy that you just have to have the "cool look" of the iPhone, why on earth would you do something like this? I'm not trolling, just genuinely curious as to the reasoning.
How is someone who actually PRODUCES content the thief and the leech?
Nice straw man you got there. The statement you ignored was, "It's you people trying to keep an outdated business model viable by creating artificial scarcity who are the real thieves and leeches". And it still stands because it makes sense. Your capitalist religion cannot help you, and down-modding me won't change it either.
I'm a musician myself. I create content and release it under CC 3.0. It's free for personal use, licensable for other uses. That's because I'm a realist, and I know that content is no longer naturally scarce due to our technology. People who prefer to live in denial are just holding us all back. Get real or get lost, that's the law of nature. If you don't like it, take it up with with whomever you call god, I didn't cause it. And neither did the people you hope to criminalize with your backwards, obsolete ideas of "how the world should work".
It is imaginary, you jackass. Get a fucking grip and stop trying to justify your inability to adapt to the new paradigms ushered in by technological advancement.
If you don't want to grow and learn how to create new business models that work, at least admit you are a fucking moron and a luddite. The world doesn't owe you a living. It's you people trying to keep an outdated business model viable by creating artificial scarcity who are the real thieves and leeches. Self-righteous twit.
The writer of TFA still has head up his butt, qualifying the presented "silver linings" stories with lots of good old-fashioned "unauthorized copying is theft" crap and "imaginary property is a god-given right" style assumptions.
Okay. And I say that people who say, "People who say 'Linux should only have one interface.' are also saying 'People should only be white, with blonde hair and blue eyes.', are actually saying, "If you criticize me or my choices you must be evil". Which, of course, misses the point entirely and appears to be an attempt to close off any chance there might have been for real dialog and debate. :)
Some of the LinuxHater criticisms are valid, but the biggest ones I see (from a 20 minute reading, mind you) are extremely difficult to address. Lack of hardware drivers (especially for laptops and wireless networking) is still a problem for many people. It just doesn't work to tell the average user to buy Linux supported hardware; if they can't at least try it with what they already own we've lost. OTOH, often this is due to the hardware manufacturers' unwillingness to open the specs. The other biggie I see is overwhelming choice of GUI vs one that Just Works for everything. Again, this is hard because we don't have a boss dictating which DE should be "finished" first, rather we have a lack of consensus from many teams working independently of each other constantly reinventing the wheel. Don't get me wrong, I still use Linux quite a bit and have a lot of love for it. In fact, I tend to think that if everyone used Linux it would start to rally suck, because then we'd see tons of crappy, 3rd party binary blobs doing god-knows-what and preinstalled crapware from the big PC vendors, just as one can see on practically any windows machine. So maybe we should ask ourselves, "do we actually want to dominate the desktop market?", rather than "how can we dominate it?".
You know, I don't really like the iPhone either, but this is a bit much.
TFS' complaint could be used for any phone, any carrier in the U.S. I'm not
saying it isn't crooked, or that the policies are particularly just, just
that this was a problem well before Steve ever even thought of the iPhone.
Anyway, direct answer to the question of "how much total for basic
calling, data, and text?" is pretty much always about $100 to $120 here in the U.S.
For the iPhone, Treo, Blackberry, Voyager, whatever.
In case you actually didn't know...
Watching the video, it does look kind of cool. Reminds me a bit of the Twiddler2, which I sort of admire also.
Two things stop me from getting one, though:
(1) If I have to hit more than one button per character that's going to slow me down a lot, and
(2) what about using vi (or any other pro editor)?
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I scoffed a bit when I RTFS, but the essays are really good and make an excellent case. I read them looking for gaping holes to point out, but really didn't find any major unaddressed concerns. I have to say RTFA is highly recommended. Read it, you won't be sorry.
Heh, your rant reminds me of the ATT "help" person who told me I "need to call Linux for that" when I was trying to get the server settings for email. Don't feel bad, lots of people say what you just said, but all it proves is that they don't understand the issues. There will never be a "unified" Linux, the very idea is repugnant to those of us who love Linux.
Any people driven away by "stupid bickering" are users we don't need.
I would argue it's the people who claim to believe that "mental illness is not real" that are probably the most mentally ill people of all.
64 bits ought to be enough for anybody!
Just like all modern addresses are IPV6? Or all modern storage is solid state? Or all modern ISPs are either wireless or fibre? Or all modern car designs are super efficient? I know, I hate how they drag it out too, but "all modern" is pretty meaningless until it becomes prevalent, by which time it will be obsolete.
D'oh! Time to brew that first cup of tea...
BC = Before Christ = BCE = Before Common Era
AD = Anno Domini ("Year of Our Lord") = CE = Common Era.
It seems hardly a day goes by without seeing yet another example of Microsoft's utter disregard for the needs and desires of virtually every market -- consumer, enterprise, and OEM. Rarely in the history of American business has any company shot themselves in the foot in such a spectacular manner, earning the ire of so many. I almost feel sorry for them. They really need to regain some sense regarding Win7, bring back the MinWin idea and use a good, transparent virtualization scheme for backwards compatability. Otherwise I think they will be pretty well finished in the OS market. The OEMs are not going down with them if they can help it, you can be sure of that. And once Windows is no longer the defacto preloaded OS it's all over.
So then, you've been reposting a post originally written nearly four years ago, just because it irks you that Roland is capitalizing on his /. submissions? You know, there are much more serious things to get worked up about, why don't you choose a few and make yourself useful? And FYI, you can aways go to your /. prefs page and opt out of RP's stories, and then you won't have to see them anymore.
Wait, so you're saying a vendor of proprietary security software is criticizing FOSS security?!?
Why, this is just too much, how will we ever recover? And they even based it on 11 whole OSS projects... Game over!
Are you mad?! Vaporware MUST be kept free, or we're all doomed!
Seriously though, yes, "the cloud" paradigm is a myth, but it's a myth much beloved by certain software companies who hope to restore the "balance" of scarcity in the future. So if we actually do get "the cloud", it will almost certainly be proprietary, as that's really the whole point. Of course we probably won't get it, as other than reintroducing scarcity, it serves no realistic purpose. At this time, we don't even have a proper definition for "cloud computing", other than "essential software will no longer be local". How transparent is that?
Now that you put it that way, I think you are correct. But I must admit, I like this construct of personal property. OTOH, perhaps in a more perfect world I would prefer to be free of it. Thanks, that is good food for thought.
You're dealing in beliefs, I'm talking about facts. And it's "Ms", not "Mr". And I'm not angry really, if you'll read the post to which I was replying you will notice I was mirroring the words and tone of the AC for effect.
That's an absurd argument. For one thing, like many millions of others, I do not require PhotoShop -- the gimp is just fine for my graphics needs. Also, once there was no free desktop, no free office suite, no free media player, etc, etc. Are you really so shortsighted? The scarcity you relish exists at this point only due to artificially imposed circumstances which are doomed to failure, period. And at the same time, legitimately free software is stepping up. Look at the eeePC, Dell selling Ubuntu, etc. Look at Firefox, VLC, Thunderbird, OO.o, and so many others that didn't even exist just a few years ago.
The scarcity is one of talent, as you say. But there are many ways to profit from one's talent without creating artificial scarcity. Creating artificial scarcity is immoral and ultimately a battle which cannot be won.
Now you are assuming far too much. I do not own any proprietary software which I did not pay for. In fact, I donate to several free software projects from time to time. So you are way out of line, probably because you are not thinking critically. Admit it, the very idea that the old ways may be obsolete has you frothing at the mouth and just freaking out, and as a result you think you know so much about me. Actually, all you know is that we disagree on something. That's sad, how quickly a person can lose their sense over their belief system being threatened, isn't it? But it will be okay. We'll have a period of adjustment, and then things will be fine.
That is a foolish thing to say, frankly. You can build all the new, improved DRM you like, build more prisons, pass more laws, but the genie is out of the bottle. It's all over for the dinosaurs who will not adapt. Many will be left to cry into their beer with Prince, or the mafIAA execs. The rest of us will simply be moving on. Historically, we've had to adjust to new economic paradigms before. Like during the industrial revolution, when slavery was abolished, when the horseless carriage became popular, when radio came out...
Maybe you define hatred differently than I, I don't know. I have always considered hatred to be irrational, and a waste of personal resources. I'd just rather not be so emotionally invested. Now if the law required me to buy an iPhone, or if all phones were as locked down as the iPhone, I would hate that. I dislike the fact that Apple's policies are so draconian, and that so many people are apparently brainwashed into thinking they need to be locked up for their own "security" (as we see in several posts in this thread), but how can I be bothered to hate something which is simply an option I do not prefer?
Life is full of options, time is short, and so on. The world is going to hell in a handbasket. It has been since long before either of us were born; it will be long after we're dead. How upset am I really supposed to be? All I have to live with is how I feel. How I feel is all I get to take with me when I die. I have my grumpy moods, but hate is just not on my list.
Any hatred is irrational, but Apple does seem quite opposed to Freedom these days, which is a strong reason not to support them. I still use a Mac a lot because I do multimedia production, which unfortunately only the Mac handles well at this time. But I would never buy an iPhone or an iPod, not with the kind of policies Apple lays down for them. It's a shame too, they could be such nice devices otherwise. And you may be sure the minute there is a Linux alternative for serious mm production*, I'll be switching over altogether.
Yes, that makes a lot of sense to me. But I guess the looks of a gadget are what matters more to a lot of people.
*please don't post to tell me about ardour, audacity, ecasound, etc. They just aren't ready yet, though I certainly applaud their efforts and look forward to the day they are ready.
I don't see how the OP is a troll. I think it is stupid to buy a locked down device to jailbreak it, especially when there are more open options available. I mean, unless you're so superficial and trendy that you just have to have the "cool look" of the iPhone, why on earth would you do something like this? I'm not trolling, just genuinely curious as to the reasoning.
Nice straw man you got there. The statement you ignored was, "It's you people trying to keep an outdated business model viable by creating artificial scarcity who are the real thieves and leeches". And it still stands because it makes sense. Your capitalist religion cannot help you, and down-modding me won't change it either.
I'm a musician myself. I create content and release it under CC 3.0. It's free for personal use, licensable for other uses. That's because I'm a realist, and I know that content is no longer naturally scarce due to our technology. People who prefer to live in denial are just holding us all back. Get real or get lost, that's the law of nature. If you don't like it, take it up with with whomever you call god, I didn't cause it. And neither did the people you hope to criminalize with your backwards, obsolete ideas of "how the world should work".
It is imaginary, you jackass. Get a fucking grip and stop trying to justify your inability to adapt to the new paradigms ushered in by technological advancement. If you don't want to grow and learn how to create new business models that work, at least admit you are a fucking moron and a luddite. The world doesn't owe you a living. It's you people trying to keep an outdated business model viable by creating artificial scarcity who are the real thieves and leeches. Self-righteous twit.
The writer of TFA still has head up his butt, qualifying the presented "silver linings" stories with lots of good old-fashioned "unauthorized copying is theft" crap and "imaginary property is a god-given right" style assumptions.
Okay.
And I say that people who say, "People who say 'Linux should only have one interface.' are also saying 'People should only be white, with blonde hair and blue eyes.', are actually saying, "If you criticize me or my choices you must be evil". Which, of course, misses the point entirely and appears to be an attempt to close off any chance there might have been for real dialog and debate.
:)
Some of the LinuxHater criticisms are valid, but the biggest ones I see (from a 20 minute reading, mind you) are extremely difficult to address. Lack of hardware drivers (especially for laptops and wireless networking) is still a problem for many people. It just doesn't work to tell the average user to buy Linux supported hardware; if they can't at least try it with what they already own we've lost. OTOH, often this is due to the hardware manufacturers' unwillingness to open the specs. The other biggie I see is overwhelming choice of GUI vs one that Just Works for everything. Again, this is hard because we don't have a boss dictating which DE should be "finished" first, rather we have a lack of consensus from many teams working independently of each other constantly reinventing the wheel.
Don't get me wrong, I still use Linux quite a bit and have a lot of love for it. In fact, I tend to think that if everyone used Linux it would start to rally suck, because then we'd see tons of crappy, 3rd party binary blobs doing god-knows-what and preinstalled crapware from the big PC vendors, just as one can see on practically any windows machine.
So maybe we should ask ourselves, "do we actually want to dominate the desktop market?", rather than "how can we dominate it?".
You know, I don't really like the iPhone either, but this is a bit much. TFS' complaint could be used for any phone, any carrier in the U.S. I'm not saying it isn't crooked, or that the policies are particularly just, just that this was a problem well before Steve ever even thought of the iPhone.
Anyway, direct answer to the question of "how much total for basic calling, data, and text?" is pretty much always about $100 to $120 here in the U.S. For the iPhone, Treo, Blackberry, Voyager, whatever. In case you actually didn't know...
Watching the video, it does look kind of cool. Reminds me a bit of the Twiddler2, which I sort of admire also. Two things stop me from getting one, though:
(1) If I have to hit more than one button per character that's going to slow me down a lot, and
(2) what about using vi (or any other pro editor)?