You Linux users are a minority in the computer world. Windows is the majority and leader now.
But that means literally nothing to me, and I know many other FOSS users who feel the same way. It's no skin off our nose if you don't have the sense to manage your data properly.:) FOSS has made *huge* strides in embedded systems and we've pretty much always been the infrastructure of the internet. And consumer-oriented desktop systems will soon be a quaint memory anyway, so it's pretty much game over, and the score is:
Windows: King of the dinosaurs, now desperately seeking relevant markets in order to stave off extinction.
*nix: Still vital, relevant, ever-growing. Remains the backbone of the internet.
MacOS: As always, a very nice consumer appliance/multimedia workstation -- if money is no object and you don't mind vendor lock-in.
Plan9: Still blinded by Rio, dammit! But definitely making inroads in embedded systems via VitaNuova's Inferno.
DISCLAIMER: The above is merely my opinion. The fact that it is also absolutely true is merely a coincidence.
Sorry, but you sound exactly like a certain user I know who is emotionally unstable as well as inept. He always has to go through epic trials to "get things working" but then nothing he has ever works 'til one of us fixes it for him. His frustrated refrain, "the documentation LIES, those developers LIE, those users on that list LIE" and so on (and on).
Regarding Ubuntu, if vast numbers of people find it user-friendly then maybe you're just not the most competent user, and maybe a bit of humility and research is called for to compensate for that, rather than ranting about nonexistent "problems".
I'm sorry, but you are the biggest idiot on slashdot. Find is the worst command to use...Find is a horrible command line tool, and should be put into a capsule and shot into space... preferrably towards the sun.
So you pan a fine command line tool such as find just b/c of no GUI and thus incompatability with non-techie end users? And pan me b/c I wasn't psychic enough to know you require a GUI utility to find lost files? I thought this was a geek forum, but I guess you showed me kid.:D Well you are probably just too immature/inexperienced to know better but actually find is quite powerful and it doesn't make you look smart at all to knock it like that-- and there are at least 3 GUI front ends if you consider that extra bit o' bloat an actual must. But there is an elegance, precision, and ease to the command line no GUI will ever match. Of course you have to learn it first, and for a good example of why that might be worth your while just see all the humble find can do -- from TFM:
FIND(1L) FIND(1L)
NAME
find - search for files in a directory hierarchy
SYNOPSIS
find [path...] [expression]
DESCRIPTION
This manual page documents the GNU version of find. find searches the
directory tree rooted at each given file name by evaluating the
given
expression from left to right, according to the rules of precedence
(see section OPERATORS), until the outcome is known (the left hand side
is false for and operations, true for or), at which point find moves on
to the next file name.
The first argument that begins with `-', `(', `)', `,', or `!' is taken
to be the beginning of the expression; any arguments before it are
paths to search, and any arguments after it are the rest of the expres-
sion. If no paths are given, the current directory is used. If no
expression is given, the expression `-print' is used.
find exits with status 0 if all files are processed successfully,
greater than 0 if errors occur.
EXPRESSIONS
The expressionis made up of options (which affect overall operation
rather than the processing of a specific file, and always return true),
tests (which return a true or false value), and actions (which have
side effects and return a true or false value), all separated by opera-
tors. -and is assumed where the operator is omitted.If the expres-
sion contains no actions other than -prune, -print is performed on all
files for which the expression is true.
OPTIONS
All options always return true. They always take effect, rather than
being processed only when their place in the expression is reached.
It is really hard to lose your work. It is really easy to find your files.
Well you'd love *nix then, all we have to do if we "lose our work" is type 'find [path to search] [filename]'. Easy, fast, accurate, with no annoying cartoon characters.:) Reminds me of the M$ lovin' guy who thought he "had me" because only wind'ohs runs Google desktop search -- well yeah, because it would be redundant in *nix!
But even without running Aqua OS X is extremely resource-hungry. Test it yourself by logging in as username ">console" (without the quotes) for a command prompt and you'll see what I mean. Wish I had better news...
n fact, there's nothing stopping me from saying things like Mesure A (a public transit initiative where I am) will kill babies, and all who support it will feast on the baby meat!
How dare you impugn the integrity of a small but vital minority of this fine nation by attempting to link us to public transportation schemes.
Baby-eaters have feelings too, you insensitive clod!
Uh, you refer people to wikipedia for science answers and you call *me* a moron? mmmkay, maybe you can move some tiny volune of air but certainly nothing significant. Nothing approaching "325 CFM" as claimed in the original spammish blogpost. Of course my primary point was that TF"A" is spam, and it is. Really stupid spam.
From Consumer Reports:" Market leader Sharper Image's Professional Series Ionic Breeze Quadra SI737 is among the ionizing room models that did a poor job of cleaning dust and smoke" They go on to say the reason for that is the LACK OF AIR MOVEMENT, so there you have it.
"The case we chose to use for this project is the Thermaltake Armor case...t just so happened that they offered us this case with the sponsorship. So I suppose a free armor case was the icing on the cake... but it was not what made us choose this product...we chose to use this Thermaltake power supply in our project because Thermaltake was kind enough to donate it."
And the ionic breeze? A gimmick of course, without a fan you are not moving air. Period. So, not just spam -- really stupid spam!
Oh well, there goes my karma...
I haven't replied specifically to one comment in this thread because what I have to say applies to so many posts in so many threads, so without singling anyone out...
Of couse I've seen all this before, but it is still shocking to see all the posts which display such utter ignorance of FOSS licenses and issues.
It makes me suspect there are many here who do not even understand they are participating in a forum which is owned by Open Source Technology Group, and more still who don't even understand the purpose of the GPL and the FSF.
I say this not to insult anyone, but to point out how far out of context some people are here, either due to intellectual laziness or intrinsic philosophical differences. Whichever, it certainly makes for a lot of wasted effort and it's frustrating seeing idiotic comments modded +[some number >1] insightful or informative again and again.
Maybe I'm just particularly grumpy today, but dammit I really wish people would ask themselves "why am I posting?" before hitting reply more often.
Go ahead and mod me troll, it doesn't matter. Someone needs to read this. We are a nation of widespread ignorance and nothing gets done ignoring that.
I've been that one woman in the office of men before and from what I've learned you are probably not nearly the outsider you imagine you are.
Most geeks whether male or female share a lot of interests, so just be patient and be yourself.
Probably the biggest thing they want is reassurance that if someone slips and says something "off-color" it won't result in some sort of "clamp down". If you can just be a geek among geeks everything will be fine, but it takes a little time to establish that.
As someone who works with FreeBSD and OS X on a daily basis I feel strongly that OS X = BrokenBSD. The one and only reason I am still using OS X is for audio production. The Mac excels at AV production because of its superior sound and video and it looks real purty too -- but most real geeks don't want to consume 40-80% of system resources just to surf the web and play some tunes, which is the reality of Macintosh -- they're powerful systems because they have to be just to run a "simple" OS X desk top. We've got code to compile and servers to run after all, so we need small, light apps. We also don't want to part with big wads of cash every time we need some software.
I suspect Yager has little real-world experience with commercial systems to have made this "prediction".
Apple will continue do do what it has always done, which is to provide nearly idiot-proof machines aimed primarily at technoklutz consumers and AV pros.
There is no such thing as a "no military clause" (at least not yet). You saw that in a misleading/. headline recently but if you'd RTFA you'd know it was more of an "Asimov clause". Much of the subsequent discussion was reactionary posturing and rhetoric about the nonexistent "no mil clause". IOW, you got trolled. Happens all the time here.
Lesson: RTFA (or blogpost or whatever) or put your ignorance on display for those of us who did to see.
The summary is waaaaay off base, as there are no "under the hood" details (except to identify a single construction material). Also no real claim of quantum computing is made.
I'm browsing now via elinks, which is my default. If I need graphics I use Dillo and if I need JS, Java, or (gag) Flash I fire up Opera.
I don't really see the benefit of always using a "full-featured" browser when the primary result is singing, dancing, blinking ads every-flippin'-where I look. But apparently I'm rare; good ol' text is still my preferred method of acquiring information...
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But that means literally nothing to me, and I know many other FOSS users who feel the same way. It's no skin off our nose if you don't have the sense to manage your data properly.
FOSS has made *huge* strides in embedded systems and we've pretty much always been the infrastructure of the internet. And consumer-oriented desktop systems will soon be a quaint memory anyway, so it's pretty much game over, and the score is:
Windows: King of the dinosaurs, now desperately seeking relevant markets in order to stave off extinction.
*nix: Still vital, relevant, ever-growing. Remains the backbone of the internet.
MacOS: As always, a very nice consumer appliance/multimedia workstation -- if money is no object and you don't mind vendor lock-in.
Plan9: Still blinded by Rio, dammit! But definitely making inroads in embedded systems via VitaNuova's Inferno.
DISCLAIMER: The above is merely my opinion. The fact that it is also absolutely true is merely a coincidence.
Sorry, but you sound exactly like a certain user I know who is emotionally unstable as well as inept. He always has to go through epic trials to "get things working" but then nothing he has ever works 'til one of us fixes it for him. His frustrated refrain, "the documentation LIES, those developers LIE, those users on that list LIE" and so on (and on).
Regarding Ubuntu, if vast numbers of people find it user-friendly then maybe you're just not the most competent user, and maybe a bit of humility and research is called for to compensate for that, rather than ranting about nonexistent "problems".
The *word* is "distinguishment".
So you pan a fine command line tool such as find just b/c of no GUI and thus incompatability with non-techie end users? And pan me b/c I wasn't psychic enough to know you require a GUI utility to find lost files? I thought this was a geek forum, but I guess you showed me kid. :D
Well you are probably just too immature/inexperienced to know better but actually find is quite powerful and it doesn't make you look smart at all to knock it like that-- and there are at least 3 GUI front ends if you consider that extra bit o' bloat an actual must.
But there is an elegance, precision, and ease to the command line no GUI will ever match. Of course you have to learn it first, and for a good example of why that might be worth your while just see all the humble find can do -- from TFM:
FIND(1L) FIND(1L)
NAME
find - search for files in a directory hierarchy
SYNOPSIS
find [path...] [expression]
DESCRIPTION
This manual page documents the GNU version of find. find searches
the
directory tree rooted at each given file name by evaluating the
given
expression from left to right, according to the rules of
precedence
(see section OPERATORS), until the outcome is known (the left hand
side
is false for and operations, true for or), at which point find moves
on
to the next file name.
The first argument that begins with `-', `(', `)', `,', or `!' is
taken
to be the beginning of the expression; any arguments before it
are
paths to search, and any arguments after it are the rest of the
expres-
sion. If no paths are given, the current directory is used.
If no
expression is given, the expression `-print' is used.
find exits with status 0 if all files are
processed successfully,
greater than 0 if errors occur.
EXPRESSIONS
The expressionis made up of options (which affect overall
operation
rather than the processing of a specific file, and always return
true),
tests (which return a true or false value), and actions
(which have
side effects and return a true or false value), all separated by
opera-
tors. -and is assumed where the operator is omitted.If
the expres-
sion contains no actions other than -prune, -print is performed on
all
files for which the expression is true.
OPTIONS
All options always return true. They always take effect, rather
than
being processed only when their place in the expression is
reached.
Well you'd love *nix then, all we have to do if we "lose our work" is type 'find [path to search] [filename]'. Easy, fast, accurate, with no annoying cartoon characters.
Reminds me of the M$ lovin' guy who thought he "had me" because only wind'ohs runs Google desktop search -- well yeah, because it would be redundant in *nix!
But even without running Aqua OS X is extremely resource-hungry. Test it yourself by logging in as username ">console" (without the quotes) for a command prompt and you'll see what I mean. Wish I had better news...
...doth not an article make. Won't someone PLEASE think of the *science* ?!
No freakin' way! The one word is "console".
Uh, you refer people to wikipedia for science answers and you call *me* a moron? mmmkay, maybe you can move some tiny volune of air but certainly nothing significant. Nothing approaching "325 CFM" as claimed in the original spammish blogpost. Of course my primary point was that TF"A" is spam, and it is.
Really stupid spam.
From Consumer Reports:"
Market leader Sharper Image's Professional Series Ionic Breeze Quadra SI737 is among the ionizing room models that did a poor job of cleaning dust and smoke"
They go on to say the reason for that is the LACK OF AIR MOVEMENT, so there you have it.
I haven't replied specifically to one comment in this thread because what I have to say applies to so many posts in so many threads, so without singling anyone out... Of couse I've seen all this before, but it is still shocking to see all the posts which display such utter ignorance of FOSS licenses and issues. It makes me suspect there are many here who do not even understand they are participating in a forum which is owned by Open Source Technology Group, and more still who don't even understand the purpose of the GPL and the FSF. I say this not to insult anyone, but to point out how far out of context some people are here, either due to intellectual laziness or intrinsic philosophical differences. Whichever, it certainly makes for a lot of wasted effort and it's frustrating seeing idiotic comments modded +[some number >1] insightful or informative again and again. Maybe I'm just particularly grumpy today, but dammit I really wish people would ask themselves "why am I posting?" before hitting reply more often. Go ahead and mod me troll, it doesn't matter. Someone needs to read this. We are a nation of widespread ignorance and nothing gets done ignoring that.
I've been that one woman in the office of men before and from what I've learned you are probably not nearly the outsider you imagine you are. Most geeks whether male or female share a lot of interests, so just be patient and be yourself. Probably the biggest thing they want is reassurance that if someone slips and says something "off-color" it won't result in some sort of "clamp down". If you can just be a geek among geeks everything will be fine, but it takes a little time to establish that.
As someone who works with FreeBSD and OS X on a daily basis I feel strongly that OS X = BrokenBSD. The one and only reason I am still using OS X is for audio production. The Mac excels at AV production because of its superior sound and video and it looks real purty too -- but most real geeks don't want to consume 40-80% of system resources just to surf the web and play some tunes, which is the reality of Macintosh -- they're powerful systems because they have to be just to run a "simple" OS X desk top. We've got code to compile and servers to run after all, so we need small, light apps. We also don't want to part with big wads of cash every time we need some software.
I suspect Yager has little real-world experience with commercial systems to have made this "prediction". Apple will continue do do what it has always done, which is to provide nearly idiot-proof machines aimed primarily at technoklutz consumers and AV pros.
For those who prefer here are the salient links which TF"A" (it's a blog entry) is referencing: http://chandra.harvard.edu/chronicle/0306/devil/ http://chandra.harvard.edu/press/06_releases/press _082106.html
There is no such thing as a "no military clause" (at least not yet). You saw that in a misleading /. headline recently but if you'd RTFA you'd know it was more of an "Asimov clause". Much of the subsequent discussion was reactionary posturing and rhetoric about the nonexistent "no mil clause". IOW, you got trolled. Happens all the time here.
Lesson: RTFA (or blogpost or whatever) or put your ignorance on display for those of us who did to see.
The summary is waaaaay off base, as there are no "under the hood" details (except to identify a single construction material). Also no real claim of quantum computing is made.
I'm browsing now via elinks, which is my default. If I need graphics I use Dillo and if I need JS, Java, or (gag) Flash I fire up Opera. I don't really see the benefit of always using a "full-featured" browser when the primary result is singing, dancing, blinking ads every-flippin'-where I look. But apparently I'm rare; good ol' text is still my preferred method of acquiring information...