I can aspire to have anger issues? Be hero and join the military where I can shoot people? Be a local hero and hit and or throw and or catch a ball? Maybe something involving beating up and or shooting badguys.
The other option for males on TV are slobs or rude pigs. Almost all stupid.
Also, child rearing isn't a particularly female position beyond infancy. Girls simply got stuck with it because they gave birth so its their responsibility. And the idea that violence and aggression is a manly thing. Or that it is something we should hope to aspire to is complete BS.
When you hear the word 'manly' what are your first thoughts, I'd like to know what/.'s reaction to the word is?
The word "buried" must have made me biased. I think you might have a reading comprehension problem.
As for Texas the US executes more people per year than any other country besides China, Iran and Saudi Arabia. Texas has executed a large percentage of its death row. Texas has executed 4x as many people as the 2nd highest state. Texas has crimes aside from murder that can get you the death sentence.
Informed/shamed for Texas... I wouldn't say proud.
Brilliant idea. It would look cool too I'm sure it would be a selling point. Plus they could have them be different colours or better yet both be clear that change colour when mixed. I'm sure w/e company notices this will succeed.
On a side note. Lets hope no one patents your little idea. I'm sure it is patentable...
Sure people died but in almost every single case the standard of living shot up massively and economically was good for both sides. Romans killed a certain chunk of a country, mainly military since collateral damage is rarer with a spear. At worst they'd decimate a group (That means 1/10th btw) to show they mean business.
After that they would make the leaders sign fealty or w/e. They'd leave a few troops there. And set about bettering the country. They would tax the country some for their own benefit. Then they would build. The barbarians they conquered were given roads, theaters, sometimes written word, law, aqueducts, plumbing, foods. They would also filter in goods from other countries they took that these people had never even seen. Silks, metals, exotic animals, fruits, carpets, statues. They also had a cultural exchange.
Within a handful of years the country they decimated was much much MUCH better off. The two countries were bound together almost as kinsmen. At times these nations would even fight together in wars, Rome letting trusted nations build a military.
In many ways it was like the EU cept enforced. I can't imagine any two countries in the EU going to war anytime soon. Same with many of the great historical empires.
The US instead lopped the head off the enemy and then said fend for yourselves (for the most part). This just resulted in strife. If you wanted them to respect you I think firmly making decisions and showing control was in order. Getting mired in conflict and failure ruined it for the US.
Modded up using a think of the children argument on/.
Let that sink in mods./. is just as weak to the stupid kneejerk arguments that we laugh everyday at politicians for. We are mad at politician's stupidity and inability to see through these arguments but fall for them our selves.
"Forgive and forget? Seems pretty short-sighted. I'm not sure I'd call murder a "mistake". "
So you are saying people can't change? They could be radically different people after 20years.
"An act like this *should* haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives." That is called REVENGE. Something that is not at all useful. I'd like to hope that we could evolve past this base need.
You seem to think that making this guys life harder will some how bring back the dead dude. It won't. You seem to think that this man being tortured will ease their hearts and make them happy. It won't. And if it did it fucking shouldn't, those thoughts are pretty horrible and something again we should move past.
"Murderers should very well learn to live with the consequences of their actions"
And I thought that's what 20 years in prison was for. If you don't intend to let them rehabilitate and reintegrate what is the point of them learning from their mistakes. You might as well just kill them, save them the trouble.
Wow that is as good as a godwin. You are doing a won't somebody think of the children. On/. of all places. Hopefully people will see it for what it is. Either a troll or a very weak argument.
...Many people would say that a murder is never "paid up", so the criminal should never be forgotten...
Yep and GP argues that is illogical, I'd agree, prisons should not be about revenge.
...After all, if he did commit a murder once, what is to guarantee he will never do so again?..."
I could just as easily argue that people who haven't murdered yet at ticking time bombs. I mean the murders just went off recently they should be good for another 40years or so. Seriously your logic here is very poor. We do have good stats on people that repeat crimes, and if we think they are going to repeat then no we don't let them out.
...There's nothing irrational or unfair about people wanting protection from criminals...
True, that is why we leave em in jail until the authorities on the matter. The people that regularly deal with this person for years in prison. They are the arbiters on whether or not they are ready for rehabilitation. They make much more accurate decisions than the mob.
And your thoughts are fine and dandy, were you king of Germany I'm sure it'd matter. But you aren't and they came to this decision fairly rationally even if you happen to disagree with it. I don't know how people knowing about a murderer more publicly would really reduce crimes.
Jail is fine, and the Germans agree. That's why they were in jail. They've been released after 20years because they were deemed fit for society by people much more fit to make that decision than you or I. (BTW, mandatory minimums have been proven to not help, there is even a song about it)
Not everyone lives in Texas. I like that you say this and I can almost guarantee that you haven't read the case at all never mind enough to make such a decision.
Did he copyright it? If not then it is regarded as a dead book. You can, either A - opt-out, it is just forms, suck it up. B - renew the copyright, easy C - Do nothing, let Google sell it for you, It is doubtful anyone will buy the shitty old version if you are updating it. I doubt it will have any impact on you what so ever.
I think this is why people have a problem with it. They think the books they wrote that weren't worth copyrighting or maintaining the copyright on. That are currently not being sold. That no one cares about anymore. Are worth so much. Google is caching 2 things really, classics that have fallen out of copyright and books no-one really cares about. Sorry to come off so harsh.
It was a library where everything in it was a copy. They literally copied every book that came through town and put it there for public use. Today that would be heresy, evil to be sure and they would be burned to the ground. How do we look back on Alexandria? One of our greatest educational and cultural achievements of all time. Many people are still upset thinking about it burning down, the books destroyed.
Google is attempting to make old dead books available (selling them FOR the author, while taking a small slice). And we think this is a bad thing? This is pathetic. We should be and authors as well should be thanking Google for saving these fading books.
I'm not sure how well a prime directive would work in reality. Were instant travel possible and aliens knew of us surely not all of the billions of species would follow the prime directive. One would come in and say hello, try and convert us to their god, try to enslave us, make us join their military/alliance, warn us about blahblah. I suppose one possibility is that we are being protected by one faction or another. (Which would be cool since we wouldn't have to worry about asteroids killing us all).
I am however hoping that instant travel is possible simply that we are too small for anyone to have noticed us thus far. This seems unlikely if you consider exponential population growth and millions of years... As comforting as drakes equation may be...
It was in the best interests of everyone in the military to say that the Russians had better everything. Take a lesson from scotty, "It can't be done cap'n, but I'll have it running in 3hours."
In the 90s the military establishment began to realize and fear that the methods we had in place were dedicated to force on force conflicts but that terrorists - especially postulated nuclear ones - had no solution.
Ironically we did. But there are too many organizations and the one dealing with military threats clearly wasn't aware of the others. The best way to deal with terrorists is secret service. They only need tweaking and infiltrating. Pay a few officials, assassinate a few others, done. The idea that any army can stop terrorists is ridiculous.
Oh and failing SS you can attempt to change the region to be something that doesn't hate you. BTW, the secret is NOT bombing them. Ask the british, french or the romans, most of the countries they conquered don't hate them... and the US was just liberating countries. Something to do with trade, peace, talks, cultural exchange, improving the country and oh... not killing them in droves followed by massively dropping the standard of living.
Competition is good.... mostly. I think that a market like the browser market is good. There aren't a ton of (important) browsers. Market share is such that we have a couple leaders and a few competitors pushing them forwards. IE and lately FF have been improved greatly by ideas from lesser known browsers acting as a proof of concept pre-alpha. But that is in a whole market pov. If you look at just linux the browser scene is much more divided. And I think that if IE didn't exist for us to collectively hate and improve on it wouldn't have worked as well. As well if FF didn't exist and the foss flagship we wouldn't have had a place to focus.
And though we could always use more coders I think the number necessary could be cut a lot if we went at it from a different angle.
But yeah I didn't say I had a solution. Just that there is a bigger issue than not enough coders. And it is one that isn't being addressed as it should.
True enough. cellphone calls vs skype voice calls. These are the exact same but vary wildly in prices.
And yeah I dunno what I was thinking, I wish I could claim English wasn't my first language. I've been coding in perl lately which I think has left me unable to communicate properly with humans.
Anyways what I meant is that there is a cheap way to do something and an way that costs 4x as much. This is well known yet we pay the 4x as expensive one. Why? Because cellphone companies force us to. Through either laws they pick or monopolistic behaviors.
You can get win7 taskbar to act normally. Set them to 'never combine' use small icons and then unpin everything. I left only firefox, explorer and notepad++ pinned because they are open often enough that it actually saves space having them there rather than on a quick launch bar.
I actually think we have enough coders personally. We need better systems.
Biggest problem is unity. Linux is very flighty and spread far far far to thin. If there were only 2~4 versions of linux we'd have taken windows years ago (maybe even before the time we started claiming year of the linux desktop).
This leads into the next problem. Standards. We seriously need much nicer standards. And better setup compartmentalization. If we had these things sharing our code to save on duplication would be huge. For example, Gnome and KDE should be interchangeable, they sorta are mostly. But wtf reason are apps aligned with one or the other? Even within a distro things aren't standardized. People often duplicate functions in different parts or don't have parts work together properly. Example, gnome asks for root when you need it... sometimes, sometimes it just says sorry you need to be root, go restart your app as root and get back to where you were. Don't even get me started on the confusing maze that is audio.
Bug fixing and reporting. Again this should be centralized more nicely. And at least use the same system if possible. But tons of bugs aren't getting fixed, even fairly obvious ones (you can't tell me you have gone a few weeks without noticing something fishy, not so in windows even).
With bug fixing goes wish lists. We need a better system for the community to get involved. I think one idea is to change it from being the os by coders for coders to the os by coders for users. What I mean is to have regular people choose the future directions and planning. The coders of course will do w/e the fuck they want. But the hope would be to not let them take control through this. If the user wants a faster start menu and coders make some bling thing then leave it as a fork people can patch into if they so choose. Often you see things in OSS changed because well... someone made it and we might as well stick it in. The other issue is that a lot of OSS is run by a small group of nazis living in a server tower surrounded by 10layers of abstraction and a firewall. Making all the decisions with what ever the hell they like.
I'm not sure exactly what can be done to rectify this. I think studying what makes FF so good would be nice. But for sure we need something to unify and standardize us. I thought Ubuntu was doing that since it was getting enough weight it could make real decisions for the direction of the OS. So gnome fucking killing itself is sort of bleak.
It is iffy for me. I'm on a laptop w/ a touchpad so moving to the bottom left and clicking is pretty damn quick. And the start button is horribly awkward. I think it actually comes down to how much space I have on my left to choose which hand to move. Either that or which letter I have to hit first... hitting win,x is kinda slow compared to click,x...
That all said and done, this post probably cost me more time than I will save doing it either way throughout the rest of my life. Ah well.
Yeah KDE is nice. But ubuntu is the most widely used linux OS for noobs. So watching the main source of linux converts slit its throat and bleed all over is depressing to say the least.
If KDE fixes its bugs and gnome goes through with this hopefully the flip to kubuntu (or some other easy kde brand) will be quick and painless.
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Manly role models offend me far more.
/.'s reaction to the word is?
I can aspire to have anger issues? Be hero and join the military where I can shoot people? Be a local hero and hit and or throw and or catch a ball? Maybe something involving beating up and or shooting badguys.
The other option for males on TV are slobs or rude pigs. Almost all stupid.
Also, child rearing isn't a particularly female position beyond infancy. Girls simply got stuck with it because they gave birth so its their responsibility. And the idea that violence and aggression is a manly thing. Or that it is something we should hope to aspire to is complete BS.
When you hear the word 'manly' what are your first thoughts, I'd like to know what
Texan executions: http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/annual.htm
US executions: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/exetab.htm
They are bordering on 50% of all executions in the US. Seems pretty valid.
The word "buried" must have made me biased. I think you might have a reading comprehension problem.
As for Texas the US executes more people per year than any other country besides China, Iran and Saudi Arabia. Texas has executed a large percentage of its death row. Texas has executed 4x as many people as the 2nd highest state. Texas has crimes aside from murder that can get you the death sentence.
Informed/shamed for Texas... I wouldn't say proud.
Brilliant idea. It would look cool too I'm sure it would be a selling point. Plus they could have them be different colours or better yet both be clear that change colour when mixed. I'm sure w/e company notices this will succeed.
On a side note. Lets hope no one patents your little idea. I'm sure it is patentable...
Sure people died but in almost every single case the standard of living shot up massively and economically was good for both sides.
Romans killed a certain chunk of a country, mainly military since collateral damage is rarer with a spear. At worst they'd decimate a group (That means 1/10th btw) to show they mean business.
After that they would make the leaders sign fealty or w/e. They'd leave a few troops there. And set about bettering the country. They would tax the country some for their own benefit. Then they would build. The barbarians they conquered were given roads, theaters, sometimes written word, law, aqueducts, plumbing, foods. They would also filter in goods from other countries they took that these people had never even seen. Silks, metals, exotic animals, fruits, carpets, statues. They also had a cultural exchange.
Within a handful of years the country they decimated was much much MUCH better off. The two countries were bound together almost as kinsmen. At times these nations would even fight together in wars, Rome letting trusted nations build a military.
In many ways it was like the EU cept enforced. I can't imagine any two countries in the EU going to war anytime soon. Same with many of the great historical empires.
The US instead lopped the head off the enemy and then said fend for yourselves (for the most part). This just resulted in strife. If you wanted them to respect you I think firmly making decisions and showing control was in order. Getting mired in conflict and failure ruined it for the US.
Modded up using a think of the children argument on /.
/. is just as weak to the stupid kneejerk arguments that we laugh everyday at politicians for. We are mad at politician's stupidity and inability to see through these arguments but fall for them our selves.
Let that sink in mods.
"Forgive and forget? Seems pretty short-sighted. I'm not sure I'd call murder a "mistake". "
So you are saying people can't change? They could be radically different people after 20years.
"An act like this *should* haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives."
That is called REVENGE. Something that is not at all useful. I'd like to hope that we could evolve past this base need.
You seem to think that making this guys life harder will some how bring back the dead dude. It won't. You seem to think that this man being tortured will ease their hearts and make them happy. It won't. And if it did it fucking shouldn't, those thoughts are pretty horrible and something again we should move past.
"Murderers should very well learn to live with the consequences of their actions"
And I thought that's what 20 years in prison was for. If you don't intend to let them rehabilitate and reintegrate what is the point of them learning from their mistakes. You might as well just kill them, save them the trouble.
Wow that is as good as a godwin. You are doing a won't somebody think of the children. On /. of all places. Hopefully people will see it for what it is. Either a troll or a very weak argument.
Agreed! It is also possible unlike stopping information.
Ooo lots of holes.
...Many people would say that a murder is never "paid up", so the criminal should never be forgotten...
...After all, if he did commit a murder once, what is to guarantee he will never do so again?..."
...There's nothing irrational or unfair about people wanting protection from criminals...
Yep and GP argues that is illogical, I'd agree, prisons should not be about revenge.
I could just as easily argue that people who haven't murdered yet at ticking time bombs. I mean the murders just went off recently they should be good for another 40years or so. Seriously your logic here is very poor. We do have good stats on people that repeat crimes, and if we think they are going to repeat then no we don't let them out.
True, that is why we leave em in jail until the authorities on the matter. The people that regularly deal with this person for years in prison. They are the arbiters on whether or not they are ready for rehabilitation. They make much more accurate decisions than the mob.
And your thoughts are fine and dandy, were you king of Germany I'm sure it'd matter. But you aren't and they came to this decision fairly rationally even if you happen to disagree with it. I don't know how people knowing about a murderer more publicly would really reduce crimes.
Jail is fine, and the Germans agree. That's why they were in jail. They've been released after 20years because they were deemed fit for society by people much more fit to make that decision than you or I. (BTW, mandatory minimums have been proven to not help, there is even a song about it)
Not everyone lives in Texas. I like that you say this and I can almost guarantee that you haven't read the case at all never mind enough to make such a decision.
Did he copyright it? If not then it is regarded as a dead book. You can, either
A - opt-out, it is just forms, suck it up.
B - renew the copyright, easy
C - Do nothing, let Google sell it for you, It is doubtful anyone will buy the shitty old version if you are updating it. I doubt it will have any impact on you what so ever.
I think this is why people have a problem with it. They think the books they wrote that weren't worth copyrighting or maintaining the copyright on. That are currently not being sold. That no one cares about anymore. Are worth so much. Google is caching 2 things really, classics that have fallen out of copyright and books no-one really cares about. Sorry to come off so harsh.
I love the tie in to the library of Alexandria.
It was a library where everything in it was a copy. They literally copied every book that came through town and put it there for public use.
Today that would be heresy, evil to be sure and they would be burned to the ground. How do we look back on Alexandria? One of our greatest educational and cultural achievements of all time. Many people are still upset thinking about it burning down, the books destroyed.
Google is attempting to make old dead books available (selling them FOR the author, while taking a small slice). And we think this is a bad thing? This is pathetic. We should be and authors as well should be thanking Google for saving these fading books.
I'm not sure how well a prime directive would work in reality. Were instant travel possible and aliens knew of us surely not all of the billions of species would follow the prime directive. One would come in and say hello, try and convert us to their god, try to enslave us, make us join their military/alliance, warn us about blahblah. I suppose one possibility is that we are being protected by one faction or another. (Which would be cool since we wouldn't have to worry about asteroids killing us all).
I am however hoping that instant travel is possible simply that we are too small for anyone to have noticed us thus far. This seems unlikely if you consider exponential population growth and millions of years... As comforting as drakes equation may be...
As a solipsist, stop arguing in my head!
It was in the best interests of everyone in the military to say that the Russians had better everything. Take a lesson from scotty, "It can't be done cap'n, but I'll have it running in 3hours."
Also, the military gets paid.
Ironically we did. But there are too many organizations and the one dealing with military threats clearly wasn't aware of the others. The best way to deal with terrorists is secret service. They only need tweaking and infiltrating. Pay a few officials, assassinate a few others, done. The idea that any army can stop terrorists is ridiculous.
Oh and failing SS you can attempt to change the region to be something that doesn't hate you. BTW, the secret is NOT bombing them. Ask the british, french or the romans, most of the countries they conquered don't hate them... and the US was just liberating countries. Something to do with trade, peace, talks, cultural exchange, improving the country and oh... not killing them in droves followed by massively dropping the standard of living.
Competition is good.... mostly. I think that a market like the browser market is good. There aren't a ton of (important) browsers. Market share is such that we have a couple leaders and a few competitors pushing them forwards. IE and lately FF have been improved greatly by ideas from lesser known browsers acting as a proof of concept pre-alpha. But that is in a whole market pov. If you look at just linux the browser scene is much more divided. And I think that if IE didn't exist for us to collectively hate and improve on it wouldn't have worked as well. As well if FF didn't exist and the foss flagship we wouldn't have had a place to focus.
And though we could always use more coders I think the number necessary could be cut a lot if we went at it from a different angle.
But yeah I didn't say I had a solution. Just that there is a bigger issue than not enough coders. And it is one that isn't being addressed as it should.
I like it, apple is probably about 1.7x as expensive as micro$oft.
True enough. cellphone calls vs skype voice calls. These are the exact same but vary wildly in prices.
And yeah I dunno what I was thinking, I wish I could claim English wasn't my first language. I've been coding in perl lately which I think has left me unable to communicate properly with humans.
Anyways what I meant is that there is a cheap way to do something and an way that costs 4x as much. This is well known yet we pay the 4x as expensive one. Why? Because cellphone companies force us to. Through either laws they pick or monopolistic behaviors.
You can get win7 taskbar to act normally. Set them to 'never combine' use small icons and then unpin everything. I left only firefox, explorer and notepad++ pinned because they are open often enough that it actually saves space having them there rather than on a quick launch bar.
I actually think we have enough coders personally. We need better systems.
Biggest problem is unity. Linux is very flighty and spread far far far to thin. If there were only 2~4 versions of linux we'd have taken windows years ago (maybe even before the time we started claiming year of the linux desktop).
This leads into the next problem. Standards. We seriously need much nicer standards. And better setup compartmentalization. If we had these things sharing our code to save on duplication would be huge. For example, Gnome and KDE should be interchangeable, they sorta are mostly. But wtf reason are apps aligned with one or the other? Even within a distro things aren't standardized. People often duplicate functions in different parts or don't have parts work together properly. Example, gnome asks for root when you need it... sometimes, sometimes it just says sorry you need to be root, go restart your app as root and get back to where you were. Don't even get me started on the confusing maze that is audio.
Bug fixing and reporting. Again this should be centralized more nicely. And at least use the same system if possible. But tons of bugs aren't getting fixed, even fairly obvious ones (you can't tell me you have gone a few weeks without noticing something fishy, not so in windows even).
With bug fixing goes wish lists. We need a better system for the community to get involved. I think one idea is to change it from being the os by coders for coders to the os by coders for users. What I mean is to have regular people choose the future directions and planning. The coders of course will do w/e the fuck they want. But the hope would be to not let them take control through this. If the user wants a faster start menu and coders make some bling thing then leave it as a fork people can patch into if they so choose. Often you see things in OSS changed because well... someone made it and we might as well stick it in. The other issue is that a lot of OSS is run by a small group of nazis living in a server tower surrounded by 10layers of abstraction and a firewall. Making all the decisions with what ever the hell they like.
I'm not sure exactly what can be done to rectify this. I think studying what makes FF so good would be nice. But for sure we need something to unify and standardize us. I thought Ubuntu was doing that since it was getting enough weight it could make real decisions for the direction of the OS. So gnome fucking killing itself is sort of bleak.
It is iffy for me. I'm on a laptop w/ a touchpad so moving to the bottom left and clicking is pretty damn quick. And the start button is horribly awkward. I think it actually comes down to how much space I have on my left to choose which hand to move. Either that or which letter I have to hit first... hitting win,x is kinda slow compared to click,x...
That all said and done, this post probably cost me more time than I will save doing it either way throughout the rest of my life. Ah well.
Yeah KDE is nice. But ubuntu is the most widely used linux OS for noobs. So watching the main source of linux converts slit its throat and bleed all over is depressing to say the least.
If KDE fixes its bugs and gnome goes through with this hopefully the flip to kubuntu (or some other easy kde brand) will be quick and painless.