That's still not going to allow your windows programs to work on non-win32.
Yes wine. But finally something is being done at a faster pace with cross-over-office.
They're considering supporting games also, and since their work is based on the lgpl fork of wine, I suggest you point as much support (money) twards them as possible.
Yes there are other alternatives, but the majority of people are not intuitive on the computer. They have to be shown, or once they figure something out it was a lot of time spent and they don't want to "waste" it again.
Anyway, my plan is to switch as many as possible to the production quality oss apps. Don't push too much change at once. Show them the apps that are cross-platform (err, that run on windows at least) and get them to use that.
Then you have taken several steps that make it easier to switch completely from windows.
I have to say, the whole point of the stock exchange is to make money and more money short term. There is little encouragement to make any kind of change that might affect their stock price short term and have a long term benefit.
I was interested in the stock market a while ago, but now I am glad that I have not worked in a public company, and plan to keep it that way to the best of my power.
"Yup. Right up to the time when they find out that their broadband has been cut off because they got rooted and have been sending Viagra spam, their credit card numbers have been stolen, and their PC rendered inoperable by a series of worms, trojans, virii, and black hats."
Nope. That means their ISP sucks and they'll switch to one that lets them connect, ask someone with half a clue to fix it or just turn the computer off.
You can still work around the problem by using fork(). That allows the OS to perform its COW paging, at least for one user.
I don't know how you'd do it for multiple users, except for some suid binaries that cause a central process to fork, change to your user, and then connect to your console. It'd probably have to be client/server. Which is a shame in order to get standard compiled multi-user memory usage.
Have any of the interpreted languages done anything in this area?
The higher levels of Estrogen in a woman's body from taking the pill is suspected/known to significantly raise the risk of breast and overian cancer.
So while some like bigger breasts, I'd rather it wasn't from a tumor...
I'm sure this is a hot topic, so I'm not trying to overstate my knowledge in this area, which isn't much. If there are facts to the contrary, I'd like to know about it.
If the FCC charged for spectrum, they could allow the broadcasters to file losses for all campaign advertising.
Then only allow the largest claim to be the amount of the party they lost least times the number of parties advertised on that station. If you advertise one party less, you can't claim the ammount you advertised the other parties as a loss.
That should effectively encourage equal advertising of the parties. And the stations will be glad it is an election year because they can claim more losses!
"So what would happen if an Open Source, non-Java(tm) fork were to make a desireable but incompatible improvement? Simply include it in the next revision of the official Java(tm) spec! There is nothing to say Sun could not pull innovations back out of derivative works for inclusion in the trademark-protected Java specification."
This is exactly what Microsoft tried to do with their JVM (and Jscript -- but that's a completely different issue)
Also Netscape and IE both had extensions to the spec and look how that turned out.
If Microsoft had only called it "JavaTwo - The next generation Java flavored environment!" they might have been able to win their law suit with Sun! (Some say there were pattents involved, so that adds some complexity...)
Now the real question is: How does the JCP prevent a JavaTwo being created now with a closed source JVM?
The problem is that by default, the gtk+ 2.4.x is installed in c:\program files...gtk/2.0... (I forget the full path, and I'm not at a windows box here at home)
IMHO gtk 2.2.x should have been in c:\program files...gtk/2.2 and gtk 2.4.x should be in c:\program files...gtk/2.4... and the programs compiled against gtk should look for their gtk generation (2.2.x or 2.4.x or etc) there without any global environment variables being set.
My point is not that it is not possible, it is that the defaults do not make it easy without a lot of reconfiguration. And the easier it is to install in a desktop environment (because reinstalls are so common in the windows world) the more (likely) it will be deployed.
"I suggest users instead download the GTK+ libraries Tor Lillqvist builds ands hosts at www.gimp.org/win32. As the leading Win32 GTK+ developer, he is in the best position to release compiled binaries, and users will have the fewest head-aches by sticking with his packages." here.
Which is exactly what I've been doing, even though I just heard of dropline.
It would be nice if Tor's gtk would allow multiple generations of the library to be installed at once. There was a (short) time when I couldn't upgrade from gimp 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 because gimp switched to gtk+ 2.4.x and gaim was still on gtk+ 2.2.x. A new version of gaim fixed that up a few weeks later. It wasn't a big issue for me, but I'd immagine it could if you have more apps that use gtk on windows and need multiple versions of gtk installed.
That said it would be nice to have gtk in a project with bug tracking like gladewin32 seems to have.
Yes, there is Miranda IM. I have yet to try it out yet though. The major reason why is exactly because of the lack of cross platform support in Miranda-IM[1].
I mostly use AIM and IRC (with plans to use MSN and Jabber in the future) and I haven't had much trouble with gaim on windows. There are a couple things like the main window not popping up when someone logs in (and I have yet to report that bug -- DOH!). Oh, and just watch the page fault count keep growing as usage continues (which seems to be prevalent in windows programs in general -- the page fault counter on windows can be a better indicator of activity than the CPU time counter, with some exceptions of course).
Now, I don't know if there is anyone working on merging Miranda-IM and Gaim, but Gaim is working on libgaim. Here's a quote from the article:
"RF) I'd like to see the Core/UI separate move further so that other interfaces can be slapped on to the core."
At the very least the protocols will be in libgaim (which is what is the "core" that is being seperated out of the "UI"). This way, Miranda, Kopete, and Gaim can all compile against the same library (which really should be called libIM), and all move forward faster instead of duplication where there should be none[2].
[1]The idea is to slowly transition and train my users to this cross platform software (FF, TB, OOo, Gimp, Gaim, etc) and move to a hybrid of windows desktops and "Linux Desktops" over VNC, and then look into Windows terminal services with Linux on the Desktops. Anyway, that's the long term plan. Moving in that direction is slow and step by step -- as it should be with any transition.
[2] They all have different front ends/UI and that's where they should be competing/trying to differentiate themselfs.
I posted that because I thought it was funny that I read somewhere (some thing explaining the history of goatse.cx...) that some thought the person in the picture had *both sexes*, which in my book is just funny.
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That's still not going to allow your windows programs to work on non-win32.
Yes wine. But finally something is being done at a faster pace with cross-over-office.
They're considering supporting games also, and since their work is based on the lgpl fork of wine, I suggest you point as much support (money) twards them as possible.
Yes there are other alternatives, but the majority of people are not intuitive on the computer. They have to be shown, or once they figure something out it was a lot of time spent and they don't want to "waste" it again.
Anyway, my plan is to switch as many as possible to the production quality oss apps. Don't push too much change at once. Show them the apps that are cross-platform (err, that run on windows at least) and get them to use that.
Then you have taken several steps that make it easier to switch completely from windows.
I have to say, the whole point of the stock exchange is to make money and more money short term. There is little encouragement to make any kind of change that might affect their stock price short term and have a long term benefit.
I was interested in the stock market a while ago, but now I am glad that I have not worked in a public company, and plan to keep it that way to the best of my power.
"Yup. Right up to the time when they find out that their broadband has been cut off because they got rooted and have been sending Viagra spam, their credit card numbers have been stolen, and their PC rendered inoperable by a series of worms, trojans, virii, and black hats."
Nope. That means their ISP sucks and they'll switch to one that lets them connect, ask someone with half a clue to fix it or just turn the computer off.
That is true for most non-compiled languages.
You can still work around the problem by using fork(). That allows the OS to perform its COW paging, at least for one user.
I don't know how you'd do it for multiple users, except for some suid binaries that cause a central process to fork, change to your user, and then connect to your console. It'd probably have to be client/server. Which is a shame in order to get standard compiled multi-user memory usage.
Have any of the interpreted languages done anything in this area?
If only I could...
In the second from the right titled "Full Frontal".
;)
Did anyone look at that one read the title, and then immediately scroll to the bottom?
Well, if you do, "Full Frontal" has an entirely different meaning...
But New York is a natural disaster!
Have any links?
I'd like to read more about this, especially since I know someone who swears the pill raises the chances of cancer...
The higher levels of Estrogen in a woman's body from taking the pill is suspected/known to significantly raise the risk of breast and overian cancer.
So while some like bigger breasts, I'd rather it wasn't from a tumor...
I'm sure this is a hot topic, so I'm not trying to overstate my knowledge in this area, which isn't much. If there are facts to the contrary, I'd like to know about it.
This really shouldn't be posted to slashdot.
How many slashdotters even get the chance to contract it from *sex*? I mean, really...
If the FCC charged for spectrum, they could allow the broadcasters to file losses for all campaign advertising.
Then only allow the largest claim to be the amount of the party they lost least times the number of parties advertised on that station. If you advertise one party less, you can't claim the ammount you advertised the other parties as a loss.
That should effectively encourage equal advertising of the parties. And the stations will be glad it is an election year because they can claim more losses!
OK, admit it.
How many scrolled up to see if the OP actually said "restless"?
"So what would happen if an Open Source, non-Java(tm) fork were to make a desireable but incompatible improvement? Simply include it in the next revision of the official Java(tm) spec! There is nothing to say Sun could not pull innovations back out of derivative works for inclusion in the trademark-protected Java specification."
This is exactly what Microsoft tried to do with their JVM (and Jscript -- but that's a completely different issue)
Also Netscape and IE both had extensions to the spec and look how that turned out.
If Microsoft had only called it "JavaTwo - The next generation Java flavored environment!" they might have been able to win their law suit with Sun! (Some say there were pattents involved, so that adds some complexity...)
Now the real question is: How does the JCP prevent a JavaTwo being created now with a closed source JVM?
"The U.S. has never had a directly elected president."
Exactly!
That also means we are not a "Democracy" that everyone in politics likes to call the US government.
The US is a Republic! Why do so many insist on calling it something else?
Then *you* should be administrating your machine, and complying with all policies the administrator has to comply with, and everything else.
The problem is that by default, the gtk+ 2.4.x is installed in c:\program files...gtk/2.0... (I forget the full path, and I'm not at a windows box here at home)
IMHO gtk 2.2.x should have been in c:\program files...gtk/2.2 and gtk 2.4.x should be in c:\program files...gtk/2.4... and the programs compiled against gtk should look for their gtk generation (2.2.x or 2.4.x or etc) there without any global environment variables being set.
My point is not that it is not possible, it is that the defaults do not make it easy without a lot of reconfiguration. And the easier it is to install in a desktop environment (because reinstalls are so common in the windows world) the more (likely) it will be deployed.
The maintainer of dropline gtk said:
"I suggest users instead download the GTK+ libraries Tor Lillqvist builds ands hosts at www.gimp.org/win32. As the leading Win32 GTK+ developer, he is in the best position to release compiled binaries, and users will have the fewest head-aches by sticking with his packages."
here.
Which is exactly what I've been doing, even though I just heard of dropline.
It would be nice if Tor's gtk would allow multiple generations of the library to be installed at once. There was a (short) time when I couldn't upgrade from gimp 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 because gimp switched to gtk+ 2.4.x and gaim was still on gtk+ 2.2.x. A new version of gaim fixed that up a few weeks later. It wasn't a big issue for me, but I'd immagine it could if you have more apps that use gtk on windows and need multiple versions of gtk installed.
That said it would be nice to have gtk in a project with bug tracking like gladewin32 seems to have.
Has anyone tried gladewin32 with gimp?
Yes, there is Miranda IM. I have yet to try it out yet though. The major reason why is exactly because of the lack of cross platform support in Miranda-IM[1].
I mostly use AIM and IRC (with plans to use MSN and Jabber in the future) and I haven't had much trouble with gaim on windows. There are a couple things like the main window not popping up when someone logs in (and I have yet to report that bug -- DOH!). Oh, and just watch the page fault count keep growing as usage continues (which seems to be prevalent in windows programs in general -- the page fault counter on windows can be a better indicator of activity than the CPU time counter, with some exceptions of course).
Now, I don't know if there is anyone working on merging Miranda-IM and Gaim, but Gaim is working on libgaim. Here's a quote from the article:
"RF) I'd like to see the Core/UI separate move further so that other interfaces can be slapped on to the core."
At the very least the protocols will be in libgaim (which is what is the "core" that is being seperated out of the "UI"). This way, Miranda, Kopete, and Gaim can all compile against the same library (which really should be called libIM), and all move forward faster instead of duplication where there should be none[2].
[1]The idea is to slowly transition and train my users to this cross platform software (FF, TB, OOo, Gimp, Gaim, etc) and move to a hybrid of windows desktops and "Linux Desktops" over VNC, and then look into Windows terminal services with Linux on the Desktops. Anyway, that's the long term plan. Moving in that direction is slow and step by step -- as it should be with any transition.
[2] They all have different front ends/UI and that's where they should be competing/trying to differentiate themselfs.
"I feel beatified."
Now the question is "How does that make you feel?"
I posted that because I thought it was funny that I read somewhere (some thing explaining the history of goatse.cx...) that some thought the person in the picture had *both sexes*, which in my book is just funny.
Maybe I shoulda said "middle door"...
OMG!
This actually convinced me to read the linked article.
I'm not even half way through and I'm already laughing!
"POWER is a implementation of PowerPC architecture"
You've got to be kidding me. PowerPC is a *cut-down* version of the POWER architecture!
Check out these references here, here, here, and here.
Then it is a bad standard.
The problem is that if a standard doesn't allow enough flexability, it will not be adopted.
That's why all standards should be versioned and specific, and communicate somehow what version they're conforming against.
Firefox 0.10 handled it perfectly, with only a small CPU spike.
Anyone's browser crash on this image?
"Everyone knew it was a backdoor."
Though some thought it was the "front" door.