They say it smells LIKE McDonald's fries (seen it on TV so it must be true!). Not that they are burning on burgers, or whatnot. Have you even smelled this yourself to make such a qualified judgement?
I've lost track of how many times I've installed 95, 98, NT.. Probably over fifty times on my home computer. However, I don't watch the ads, I already know I'm living a happier and more productive life (except when I'm reinstalling, crashing or getting raped daily).
Creating a good game requires talent, effort, more effort and some luck, not advertising. The instant money becomes the main factor, the game goes to hell (read: commercialized).
First we get Carnivore, then Hailstorm. What next, and who's coming up with all these spiffy names? I feel like I'm living in a Castle Wolfenstein game or something.
I moderately agree with your first statements, but your last sentence kept me from modding it up (flamebait/trollish):
"Open source doesn't seem to work any better than closed, and nobody is making any real money at it. So if it's not better, and makes less money... well you can finish that thought."
"Nobody is making any real money"? Only governments make real money legally.
"Makes less money"? For who? Much of Open Source and Free Software simply gets the job done, most is free of charge and you can fix whatever bugs or extentions you need yourself if it's critical. I'm afraid that you have been caught in the stupid illusion that money has value. It has not, it's just one of many representatives of value/energy. I and many others knew this at 7, time to grow up.
The real incentive to share your work is so that everybody can share their work and benefit from this process collectively. The "money-making" business that IT supposedly has been doing the last year has not really put that much value in society. Just hype, illusions, further restrictions and exploitation on people. Hint: A rise in economy has nothing to do with real value being added as much as it has to do with people's expectations on future growth.
But of course, if you believe money has value you may disagree with my value-system. Then it's better to agree that we disagree.
Don't be such a troll. You go ahead with reading your binaries, good luck and power to your 3l33t sk1||z. There's a reason most people don't code in assembly anymore. Especially without symbolic info! Also, keep in mind that most of the commercial applications comes with encrypted binaries, or crack-shields. Therefore in USA, it is illegal to reverse engineer the binaries or open up their real contents under the DMCA. (No matter how lame algorithms used)
So what? Do you plan to erradicate all that you believe is wrong in this world? If everyone did that there would be no world left to own -- or noone left.
Instead, free yourself from thinking in such ways. You don't have to carry the burden of how other people act and think. Just let it be, and you'll discover things will be more easier _for you_. (Saying this on/. is like a whisper in a hurricane though)
You are clueless. A virus doesn't have to use any tools, as long as it can run arbitrary code and change arbitrary partitions in the OS, as root it can do whatever it pleases. It's only up to the imagination and abilities of the virii creators.
I'm not talking about NT without Administrator privileges here. I'm talking Windows 3.11/9X/ME.
Ever seen Partition Magic? It runs fine under Windows, moving ext2 partitions and I also believe it hacks into lilo.conf.
If you really think about it, being able to search up on cached contents on Google is actually a GOOD THING. Now if they only would make it an option by the search-criteria, and make their spiders check the more popular links more often, it could really improve their search-results.
On another note, they should probably spider more news-sites like Slashdot and Freshmeat frequently. There they can get the new links as they arrive, good or goatse.cx.
On the last note (Yes I promise;), specialized search-engines are probably the best option if you want some obscure student-paper or 4-year-old newsflash.
The GPL license is not about free as in no-cost/gratis, it is about free as in free-speech. Distributing GPLed programs guarantees that the source will be available _to those who receieve the program_, with all the ugly changes to it. So the GPL allows you to restrict who you distribute to and demanding shipment costs.
If you want a "for no commercial use"-clause, you CAN'T use the GPL.
Of course, if you receieve GPLed sourcecode, you can modify and use it all you like. Even redistribute it at no cost, but that is just another option.
Btw, if you don't you want others to benefit from your work, why put it out publically at all?
How shall parents teach their kids that when they fall into exactly the same marketing traps? What we need is corporate-funded education programs!;*)
Luckily, life is free education, so the problem will eventually take care of itself. People will learn to take responsibility, think for themselves and act accordingly, or risk live their lives in a nightmare where they are pampered by huge corporations. After all, that is the reason marketing is so effective. Marketing itself is not the core problem here.
Yeah, what happened to free movement and the freedom of exploring the world yourself? Without having the creepy feeling you must go there, you must do that, you must go there, you must do that... etc, etc till the end of the game?
The freedom of exploring and discovering things yourself was what attracted me to play alot of Ultima III, V and VI. From there it only went downhill. Of course with the exception of Ultima Underworld I and II, but that was Looking Glass..
Yes, I see your point. I believe it is easily explainable though, and that it has nothing to do with Linux as an operating system or "open source". Those who jumped on that bandwagon _knew_ what they did (or should have), and I bet most of them has alot of fun (and many of them still do). So basically, this is not good enough for an argument against Linux in business since you might as well argument against anything "new"! The industry took a big impact, that's all. Naturally the newer and more experimental stocks will be bloodily cut into tiny shreds of their previous overblown values. I'm actually glad people are beginning to sober up after their ventures onto the stockmarket.
I must congratulate you with a nice written piece of troll. Let me just refute you point by point:-)
"How long is this insanity going to continue? How many lives and careers are going to be destroyed or derailed? It's time to realize that Linux is not commercially viable."
Insanity, _lives_??:*) What on earth are you talking about? Did you know that 50% of _all_ startups fail statistically?
"Technically, Linux is perfectly usable and in many areas quite good. While personally I prefer FreeBSD, I can respect anyone's decision to use Linux. On the other hand, I cannot respect someone's decision to try to make money off of Linux."
Why not? If it is perfectly good, why not use Linux to do the job? Or FreeBSD for that matter..
"Company after company is going down in flames, yet mindless drones continually parrot the virtues of open source as a business model. Stop the FUD! Open source methodologies may contribute to the quality of software, but the have been proven unreliable as a way to get bacon on the table."
Watching TV is mindless. Discussions are only mindless if repetitive. This is usually not the case, except for trolls like you. And btw, stopping the FUD you can do yourself:-)
If there is a market for Linux, it will thrive. However, you are right that people shouldn't jump on the next over-hyped bandwagon.
"VALinux's stock is at an all-time low, SUSE was forced to close North American operations, now Linuxgruven is falling to pieces. Real people work at these companies; real people who have real needs and expenses. It was wrong to sell them a lie and fool them into investing in careers in open source."
News for your mindless brain: Every IT-stock nowadays is on an all-time low. This is hardly Linux' fault. Also, investors decide what to buy. That is their job, and a reason they can sell stocks for profit or loss. This is how the stockmarket is *supposed* to work. Nothing wrong in that.
"I'm sorry if I sound angry or heated, but I am infuriated by the treatment that many poor programmers have received from open source companies."
Within this statement lies the secret hint that you are truly a troll: poor programmers. Even without that, people decide where they belong. I see no problem in believing in a higher good of sharing source code, even for companies. In fact, there are many benefits for companies to share code.
How about a more objective study between open source companies and ordinary IT-companies? Alas, you cannot compare freedom with money. And you shouldn't rely on a crappy businessplan or follow CEOs into the blazing fire. If you do, do it with a smile.
On the contrary: Playing Sims might be something new to a person in the real world. In addition, you are not limited to one life and can experiment with things you never would even want to do in real life. As for the final conclusion: life is what you make of it. There's usually no score or endgame that has a real point to it, so why tell people how to live?
"Then what language would you suggest? (it's Sims by the way)."
Scripting languages like:
1.Ruby, 2.Python, 3.Smalltalk, 4.Perl or if you have inhuman hAx0r-skillz and feel like cloning new and wild experiments: Haskell;-)
The best way to make these kinds of games is with a scripting language within a larger C/C++ program. This allows for the best combination of flexibility and speed.
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- Steeltoe
They say it smells LIKE McDonald's fries (seen it on TV so it must be true!). Not that they are burning on burgers, or whatnot. Have you even smelled this yourself to make such a qualified judgement?
- Steeltoe
I've lost track of how many times I've installed 95, 98, NT.. Probably over fifty times on my home computer. However, I don't watch the ads, I already know I'm living a happier and more productive life (except when I'm reinstalling, crashing or getting raped daily).
- Steeltoe
Creating a good game requires talent, effort, more effort and some luck, not advertising. The instant money becomes the main factor, the game goes to hell (read: commercialized).
- Steeltoe
First we get Carnivore, then Hailstorm. What next, and who's coming up with all these spiffy names? I feel like I'm living in a Castle Wolfenstein game or something.
- Steeltoe
However, quite unbelievably satirical ;-)
- Steeltoe
If that were true, we'd be in a much sorrier state that we're in now. However, the sad part is you saying it as if it were a good thing.
- Steeltoe
I moderately agree with your first statements, but your last sentence kept me from modding it up (flamebait/trollish):
"Open source doesn't seem to work any better than closed, and nobody is making any real money at it. So if it's not better, and makes less money... well you can finish that thought."
"Nobody is making any real money"? Only governments make real money legally.
"Makes less money"? For who? Much of Open Source and Free Software simply gets the job done, most is free of charge and you can fix whatever bugs or extentions you need yourself if it's critical. I'm afraid that you have been caught in the stupid illusion that money has value. It has not, it's just one of many representatives of value/energy. I and many others knew this at 7, time to grow up.
The real incentive to share your work is so that everybody can share their work and benefit from this process collectively. The "money-making" business that IT supposedly has been doing the last year has not really put that much value in society. Just hype, illusions, further restrictions and exploitation on people. Hint: A rise in economy has nothing to do with real value being added as much as it has to do with people's expectations on future growth.
But of course, if you believe money has value you may disagree with my value-system. Then it's better to agree that we disagree.
- Steeltoe
Ye Who Troll Slashdot, Controleths The Geeks!
- Steeltoe
Don't be such a troll. You go ahead with reading your binaries, good luck and power to your 3l33t sk1||z. There's a reason most people don't code in assembly anymore. Especially without symbolic info! Also, keep in mind that most of the commercial applications comes with encrypted binaries, or crack-shields. Therefore in USA, it is illegal to reverse engineer the binaries or open up their real contents under the DMCA. (No matter how lame algorithms used)
- Steeltoe
So what? Do you plan to erradicate all that you believe is wrong in this world? If everyone did that there would be no world left to own -- or noone left.
/. is like a whisper in a hurricane though)
Instead, free yourself from thinking in such ways. You don't have to carry the burden of how other people act and think. Just let it be, and you'll discover things will be more easier _for you_. (Saying this on
- Steeltoe
"My memory is a bit hazy these days, you see."
This happens to everyone. One day we'll believe we've forgotten why.
- Steeltoe
All it takes in one geek, one gun, one bullet.
What was your point? That you hate somone? Good, maybe they hate you back too and all is well!
Personally I find ideas, words and memes more powerful than the gun, in the longer run.
- Steeltoe
Believe it, you must. Exactly the same thing happened to me! ;*)
- Steeltoe
It's in the virus.
- Steeltoe
You are clueless. A virus doesn't have to use any tools, as long as it can run arbitrary code and change arbitrary partitions in the OS, as root it can do whatever it pleases. It's only up to the imagination and abilities of the virii creators.
I'm not talking about NT without Administrator privileges here. I'm talking Windows 3.11/9X/ME.
Ever seen Partition Magic? It runs fine under Windows, moving ext2 partitions and I also believe it hacks into lilo.conf.
Sincerely Yours,
- Steeltoe
How can you be sure you don't go all crazy and put trojans in yourself? You should never run anything. You'd probably be a happier person too ;)
- Steeltoe
If you really think about it, being able to search up on cached contents on Google is actually a GOOD THING. Now if they only would make it an option by the search-criteria, and make their spiders check the more popular links more often, it could really improve their search-results.
;), specialized search-engines are probably the best option if you want some obscure student-paper or 4-year-old newsflash.
On another note, they should probably spider more news-sites like Slashdot and Freshmeat frequently. There they can get the new links as they arrive, good or goatse.cx.
On the last note (Yes I promise
- Steeltoe
The GPL license is not about free as in no-cost/gratis, it is about free as in free-speech. Distributing GPLed programs guarantees that the source will be available _to those who receieve the program_, with all the ugly changes to it. So the GPL allows you to restrict who you distribute to and demanding shipment costs.
If you want a "for no commercial use"-clause, you CAN'T use the GPL.
Of course, if you receieve GPLed sourcecode, you can modify and use it all you like. Even redistribute it at no cost, but that is just another option.
Btw, if you don't you want others to benefit from your work, why put it out publically at all?
- Steeltoe
How shall parents teach their kids that when they fall into exactly the same marketing traps? What we need is corporate-funded education programs! ;*)
Luckily, life is free education, so the problem will eventually take care of itself. People will learn to take responsibility, think for themselves and act accordingly, or risk live their lives in a nightmare where they are pampered by huge corporations. After all, that is the reason marketing is so effective. Marketing itself is not the core problem here.
- Steeltoe
Yeah, what happened to free movement and the freedom of exploring the world yourself? Without having the creepy feeling you must go there, you must do that, you must go there, you must do that... etc, etc till the end of the game?
The freedom of exploring and discovering things yourself was what attracted me to play alot of Ultima III, V and VI. From there it only went downhill. Of course with the exception of Ultima Underworld I and II, but that was Looking Glass..
- Steeltoe
Yes, I see your point. I believe it is easily explainable though, and that it has nothing to do with Linux as an operating system or "open source". Those who jumped on that bandwagon _knew_ what they did (or should have), and I bet most of them has alot of fun (and many of them still do). So basically, this is not good enough for an argument against Linux in business since you might as well argument against anything "new"! The industry took a big impact, that's all. Naturally the newer and more experimental stocks will be bloodily cut into tiny shreds of their previous overblown values. I'm actually glad people are beginning to sober up after their ventures onto the stockmarket.
- Steeltoe
I must congratulate you with a nice written piece of troll. Let me just refute you point by point :-)
:*) What on earth are you talking about? Did you know that 50% of _all_ startups fail statistically?
:-)
"How long is this insanity going to continue? How many lives and careers are going to be destroyed or derailed? It's time to realize that Linux is not commercially viable."
Insanity, _lives_??
"Technically, Linux is perfectly usable and in many areas quite good. While personally I prefer FreeBSD, I can respect anyone's decision to use Linux. On the other hand, I cannot respect someone's decision to try to make money off of Linux."
Why not? If it is perfectly good, why not use Linux to do the job? Or FreeBSD for that matter..
"Company after company is going down in flames, yet mindless drones continually parrot the virtues of open source as a business model. Stop the FUD! Open source methodologies may contribute to the quality of software, but the have been proven unreliable as a way to get bacon on the table."
Watching TV is mindless. Discussions are only mindless if repetitive. This is usually not the case, except for trolls like you. And btw, stopping the FUD you can do yourself
If there is a market for Linux, it will thrive. However, you are right that people shouldn't jump on the next over-hyped bandwagon.
"VALinux's stock is at an all-time low, SUSE was forced to close North American operations, now Linuxgruven is falling to pieces. Real people work at these companies; real people who have real needs and expenses. It was wrong to sell them a lie and fool them into investing in careers in open source."
News for your mindless brain: Every IT-stock nowadays is on an all-time low. This is hardly Linux' fault. Also, investors decide what to buy. That is their job, and a reason they can sell stocks for profit or loss. This is how the stockmarket is *supposed* to work. Nothing wrong in that.
"I'm sorry if I sound angry or heated, but I am infuriated by the treatment that many poor programmers have received from open source companies."
Within this statement lies the secret hint that you are truly a troll: poor programmers. Even without that, people decide where they belong. I see no problem in believing in a higher good of sharing source code, even for companies. In fact, there are many benefits for companies to share code.
How about a more objective study between open source companies and ordinary IT-companies? Alas, you cannot compare freedom with money. And you shouldn't rely on a crappy businessplan or follow CEOs into the blazing fire. If you do, do it with a smile.
- Steeltoe
On the contrary: Playing Sims might be something new to a person in the real world. In addition, you are not limited to one life and can experiment with things you never would even want to do in real life. As for the final conclusion: life is what you make of it. There's usually no score or endgame that has a real point to it, so why tell people how to live?
- Steeltoe
"Then what language would you suggest? (it's Sims by the way)."
;-)
Scripting languages like:
1.Ruby, 2.Python, 3.Smalltalk, 4.Perl or if you have inhuman hAx0r-skillz and feel like cloning new and wild experiments: Haskell
The best way to make these kinds of games is with a scripting language within a larger C/C++ program. This allows for the best combination of flexibility and speed.
- Steeltoe