Part of the problem is that nobody every does sue. Dare nMc: Did you make yourself a pain in the butt to get your stuff back?
That needs to happen too.
4 Arabic friends of mine were in New Orleans and pulled over late at night. The police started to give them some run around and insisted they all get out of the car and open their trunk etc. This went on for a bit until my friend stated that he went to Tulane Law and demanded to get all of their badge numbers. At which point the officers said, thank you for your trouble and have a good night.
If there isn't really a good reason behind the officers actions then it is up to the citizen to stand up for his/her rights and pursue them. Not doing so gets you nowhere and leads to the kind of abuses you suffered.
First they have to have a reason and then they have to ask to have your phone to run the scan on. I would guess that if you refuse, they would have to go and get a court order to do it unless I am completely wrong. From the photo of the slashdot article link posted earlier, it showed the phone connected physically. The police must ask first so it won't be something that is going on without ones knowledge.
I see from the photo that they have the thing hooked to a phone by a wire. And the article says something about the officers asking for people to give them their phones. I suppose if you say no to the request then they would not be able to slurp data off of your phone without a court order.
I don't see where they can slurp data off of your phone behind a persons back. Am I missing something?
Usually you don't get a nice You Tube video before a wacko gets a chance at someone. This is not a political party issue, this is an issue of ratcheting up the hate in America.
Hate, hate, hate, hate hate. And what do you get. Wackos who are unpredictable. Wackos are just wackos no matter what political party they belong to.
The word Nazi is losing its meaning because it is applied indiscriminately to just about anything someone doesn't like. Firstly, the Nazis were totalitarian which clearly anonymous is not. Secondly, they used violence and terror to carry out their work. Thirdly, they killed lots of people based on bigotry.
Do you know they are teenage vigilantes? How exactly is this Nazi? Glad you like sony products and they work for you. I won't be buying another one after 30 years as a customer of sony.
Yes Barney and Dora are strictly banned from our house. So is Caillou. I have applied my parental instructioneering so that they will liberally tell all visiting parents and kids that Barney is psychotic and Caillou is for whiners!!!!
Parenting really does make a difference. We haven't had a problem with crappy pappy TV programming since.
I want one in the kitchen for getting at my recipes. I need one in my media room for controlling my vast media collection. I need one for each of my kids so they can run their montessori programs, get at the interactive stories, make some kid films and tons of other things they think of. I want a few for travelling in the car.
There are lots of things tablets can be used for and dedicated for too.
Who here ever watched star trek where the kids on picards ship were using these things routinely for all of their studies?
Aren't the components of the Xoom and the iPad 2 rather comparable? What about cost of manufacturing? I would bet Motorola cannot match the ipad2 right now. I'm not sure how they get to the point at which they will be able to save more than $100 bucks per unit purely on an econonomic basis. Even the best Android phones cost an equivalent of what it costs to make an iPhone.
The reason the Android phones can sell so many is that they are willing to sell them at well below the manufacturing cost by subsidizing the units with a contract. That means less profit margin overall per unit, While Apple makes money on each sale and gets the subsidy. I don't see this model of product sales working for tablets since there won't be any subsidy. They can't just sell the tablets at a loss.
I wouldn't say "stupidity" as much as racing ones typing too fast. More of a mind/finger disjunction. Happens to most people who are more concerned with throwing words on paper instead of being uptight anal retentive about the perfection of their grammar. I have always felt that informally, grammar isn't really worth that much, just refer to Shakespeare. Anyhow, for those superior minded folks who worry about slamming folks over mistakes of the typing sort, you can be assured a minor mistake is not indication of stupidity or even bad grammar tendencies by the person making such a lowly mistake.
For the AR's here are some more terms. " In some cases, someone will type a homophone for a word by mistake, in which case the error may be referred to as a “thinko,” acknowledging that the error is grammatical in nature, but caused by a genuine mistake. Some common thinkos include the substitution of its for it's, or there for their, and vice versa.""
Perhaps for other types of errors we could use the more general term, Grammo. That would be nicer than referring to such an error as "stupidity".
I don't know what reactors would be good or approapriate. I don't have a new understanding about the various types that is good enough to decide on anything. There are a lot of folks recommending this or that type, throughout the thread, but I don't know enough about any of them to know what is safest or best. I suppose I would find out if somebody decided to stuff one near me. I do think the US needs to upgrade what they have so they can avoid some of the problems with their old tech. 2 designs sounded interesting for their utility, but I don't know if the tech they use is what your are talking about.
1. Seems like GE has some kind of drop in reactor they can put right into existing coal power plants and hook directly to the turbines.
2. Cringely was talking about how Japan could use Toshiba 4S mini reactors under every power station in japan to give them a proper grid. The 4s apparently is self contained and they are built on an assembly line and when they need refueling they are hauled on a truck back to the assembly line.
SS has 2 trillion in reserves. It is solvent at current levels and not a drain. The problem is that it wasn't designed for a giant old population living for 25 years after retirement. SS has been a model program other than this lack of foresight, but who can blame the lack of foresight. At the time it was first implemented people only lived on average 47 years and not 80 or 81.
Why do we actually have 1.4 trillion debt? 350 billion Bush tax cut - not offset by spending reductions... gotta love that tinkle down voodoo eh 200 billion on Wars in Afganistan and Iraq 500 billion reduced government revenue from all of the economic collapse 250 billion Obama tax cut for the 95% not offset with spending reductions. A whole lot of spending which is payed for on the American Credit Card!!!! Don't you think. You can't cherry pick numbers from the budget and say if we didn't have those then we wouldn't have the deficit. One has to look at the reasons for what has happened and nobody is really talking about it. There is a sort of mass psychosis going on and people seem baffled as to why America is going down the hill.
America isn't going down the hill. Just before the Bush administration took office, the US had an 18 billion dollar surplus. After not paying for anything for 10 years you get 1.4 trillion dollar deficits.
Congress just extended the Bush Tax Cuts and so we will have an even longer period of 1.3-1.4 trillion dollar deficits. Now the republicans talk about cutting 80 billion in discretionary spending to pay, but they just gave the rich a 700 billion dollar over 10 years tax cut.
We have to get back to sane fiscal policy. We can't just keep cutting taxes and say that is going to fix things. We also can't cut our spending enough on discretionary spending side without making America something which doesn't work for 90% of the citizens. It would make our country unrecognizable and more akin to a third world nation. We need to get over the delusion that we are poor. We are the country with the greatest wealth and the greatest production. We just have to stop tearing ourselves and our way of life down.
As each of us knows we have to pay for the America we want. We have been doing a lot of free ride stuff and playing footloose and fancy with the treasury by defunding the American Way of life. Ours is not a problem that we don't have enough to pay our way, we have a problem with a persecution complex. We are way too whinny right now. There is no political will to pay for anything right now so eventually if this continues we will be having dog crap for breakfast every day and wondering why our breath stinks so badly.
Yes... time to deconstruct the legalization of bribes. PACS, Unions, Corporations, 529's get rid of all of them and bring it back to citizen only donations.
Has any politician been able to make it through the primaries and campaigns recently without heavy backing by some organization?
The original tea party was a reaction undue influence of the East India Trading company pushing the British government to heavily tax the colonies in order to preserve their monopoly. People need to learn their history better. Taxation without representation sponsored by corporation. That is where we are today. Corporations have had a field day at the expense of the American Taxpayer. Multinational corporations buy influence and pay no taxes yet get to reap the rewards. I say down with corporations being treated as individual citizens. They should have no standing rights as a citizens since the constitution is about the relationship between people and their own government.
As a result of the East India Trading company monopoly and it's influence in colonial life, the founding fathers well knew the risks of too much corporate wealth and power. Thomas Jefferson wanted as an amendment protection against monopoly and tried many times to include it as part of the original bill of rights.
"I do not like... the omission of a bill of rights providing clearly and without the aid of sophisms for freedom of religion, freedom of the press, protection against standing armies, restriction against monopolies, the eternal and unremitting force of the habeas corpus laws, and trials by jury in all matters of fact triable by the laws of the land and not by the law of nations." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. ME 6:387"
"I hope we shall crush in it s birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government in a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. — Thomas Jefferson, 1816"
"There is an evil which ought to be guarded against in the indefinite accumulation of property for the capacity of holding it in perpetuity by corporations. The power of corporations ought to be limited in this respect. The growing wealth acquired by them never fails to be a source of abuses. — James Madison, 1817"
"Incorporated companies with proper limitations and guards, may in particular cases, be useful, but they are at best a necessary evil only. Monopolies and perpetuities are objects of just abhorrence. The former are unjust to the existing, the latter usurpations on the rights of future generations. It is not strange that the law which will not permit an individual to bequeath his property to the descendants of his own loins for more than a short and strictly defined term, should authorize an associated few to entail perpetual and indefeasible appropriations? – James Madison, March 10, 1817"
Except Unions can spend several million on any given campaign while a single large corporation could spend hundreds of millions. I think both Union spending and Corporate spending need to be barred, but there is a difference in the amounts. Right now we are getting back to the 1800s where it is possible for a corporation to just buy as senator or representative. Perhaps soon it will be buying a president.
RE: grey goo Have you read the Code of the Lifemaker? Really cool quick read book about a machine civilization evolving on one of the moons of Jupiter after a mine ship from an alien race crashes there.
I concur. We probably do agree. I have been getting read past alot in this thread. You should check out my other big debate/discussion on this thread. hehehehe. I am a NIMBY in relation to where I live, and yet not anti-nuclear. I also think that nuclear is dangerous. But none of these things would make me not nuclear in the right circumstance. I have lived near nuclear reactors for a large chunk of my life including three mile island. But that doesn't really scare me per se. I just think nuclear is dangerous and has its place (some places should never have a reactor based on economics and geography) and we should do everything we can to improve safety. Japan will be a great learning tool as have all problems with nuclear we have had.
Nuclear is forever in human terms as is the sun (solar, geothermal, wind). We perfect these forms of energy generation so we can use the fossil fuels for industry instead of burning them up which is a waste and inefficient.
I can't wait, my next vehicle will be electric. I haven't decided whether to convert my current vehicle or buy the Tesla family car. I hope to fuel it with solar on my house and garage partially. There are some nice public hookups around now too. It takes lots of energy to get to point of making the cars and solar panels, but once you use the energy to make the stuff then it should be nice for quite a while. And still very civilized.
I want to use geothermal for heating my house too. Since I do the work myself for the most part at least install and hookups this makes it cheaper. I sure wish the government would come up with some big incentives to help me out so I could recover my costs more quickly and have them take less of my money in return.
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So did you sue him?
Part of the problem is that nobody every does sue.
Dare nMc:
Did you make yourself a pain in the butt to get your stuff back?
That needs to happen too.
4 Arabic friends of mine were in New Orleans and pulled over late at night. The police started to give them some run around and insisted they all get out of the car and open their trunk etc. This went on for a bit until my friend stated that he went to Tulane Law and demanded to get all of their badge numbers. At which point the officers said, thank you for your trouble and have a good night.
If there isn't really a good reason behind the officers actions then it is up to the citizen to stand up for his/her rights and pursue them. Not doing so gets you nowhere and leads to the kind of abuses you suffered.
Yeah... I have it on my parallels 6.0 running as a VM on my Mac. Still haven't done much with it, but I thought I would like to play with it.
I guess guantanamo is kind of like an "Untied" State........
First they have to have a reason and then they have to ask to have your phone to run the scan on. I would guess that if you refuse, they would have to go and get a court order to do it unless I am completely wrong.
From the photo of the slashdot article link posted earlier, it showed the phone connected physically. The police must ask first so it won't be something that is going on without ones knowledge.
I see from the photo that they have the thing hooked to a phone by a wire. And the article says something about the officers asking for people to give them their phones. I suppose if you say no to the request then they would not be able to slurp data off of your phone without a court order.
I don't see where they can slurp data off of your phone behind a persons back.
Am I missing something?
Isn't Redhat already trying this? It was on SD a bit ago.
http://www.opensource-news.co.cc/30754/project-ceylon-%E2%80%93-red-hat-builds-java-killer-replacement/
Sure your not from Folsom?..... head for the hills in times of crisis.
Usually you don't get a nice You Tube video before a wacko gets a chance at someone. This is not a political party issue, this is an issue of ratcheting up the hate in America.
Hate, hate, hate, hate hate. And what do you get. Wackos who are unpredictable.
Wackos are just wackos no matter what political party they belong to.
That would be interesting. Would we have worldwide nerd warfare? As varying factions attack each other?
A three stooges pie fight comes to mind.
The word Nazi is losing its meaning because it is applied indiscriminately to just about anything someone doesn't like. Firstly, the Nazis were totalitarian which clearly anonymous is not. Secondly, they used violence and terror to carry out their work. Thirdly, they killed lots of people based on bigotry.
Anonymous is just not even close to such evil.
HB Gary might disagree after getting themselves pants'd then wedgied.
Do you know they are teenage vigilantes?
How exactly is this Nazi?
Glad you like sony products and they work for you.
I won't be buying another one after 30 years as a customer of sony.
Yes Barney and Dora are strictly banned from our house. So is Caillou.
I have applied my parental instructioneering so that they will liberally tell all visiting parents and kids that Barney is psychotic and Caillou is for whiners!!!!
Parenting really does make a difference. We haven't had a problem with crappy pappy TV programming since.
I want one in the kitchen for getting at my recipes.
I need one in my media room for controlling my vast media collection.
I need one for each of my kids so they can run their montessori programs, get at the interactive stories, make some kid films and tons of other things they think of.
I want a few for travelling in the car.
There are lots of things tablets can be used for and dedicated for too.
Who here ever watched star trek where the kids on picards ship were using these things routinely for all of their studies?
Aren't the components of the Xoom and the iPad 2 rather comparable? What about cost of manufacturing? I would bet Motorola cannot match the ipad2 right now. I'm not sure how they get to the point at which they will be able to save more than $100 bucks per unit purely on an econonomic basis. Even the best Android phones cost an equivalent of what it costs to make an iPhone.
The reason the Android phones can sell so many is that they are willing to sell them at well below the manufacturing cost by subsidizing the units with a contract. That means less profit margin overall per unit, While Apple makes money on each sale and gets the subsidy. I don't see this model of product sales working for tablets since there won't be any subsidy. They can't just sell the tablets at a loss.
Wish I had mod points to mod this up as funny. That would be really really funny.
I wouldn't say "stupidity" as much as racing ones typing too fast. More of a mind/finger disjunction. Happens to most people who are more concerned with throwing words on paper instead of being uptight anal retentive about the perfection of their grammar. I have always felt that informally, grammar isn't really worth that much, just refer to Shakespeare. Anyhow, for those superior minded folks who worry about slamming folks over mistakes of the typing sort, you can be assured a minor mistake is not indication of stupidity or even bad grammar tendencies by the person making such a lowly mistake.
For the AR's here are some more terms.
" In some cases, someone will type a homophone for a word by mistake, in which case the error may be referred to as a “thinko,” acknowledging that the error is grammatical in nature, but caused by a genuine mistake. Some common thinkos include the substitution of its for it's, or there for their, and vice versa.""
Perhaps for other types of errors we could use the more general term, Grammo. That would be nicer than referring to such an error as "stupidity".
I don't know what reactors would be good or approapriate. I don't have a new understanding about the various types that is good enough to decide on anything. There are a lot of folks recommending this or that type, throughout the thread, but I don't know enough about any of them to know what is safest or best. I suppose I would find out if somebody decided to stuff one near me. I do think the US needs to upgrade what they have so they can avoid some of the problems with their old tech.
2 designs sounded interesting for their utility, but I don't know if the tech they use is what your are talking about.
1. Seems like GE has some kind of drop in reactor they can put right into existing coal power plants and hook directly to the turbines.
2. Cringely was talking about how Japan could use Toshiba 4S mini reactors under every power station in japan to give them a proper grid. The 4s apparently is self contained and they are built on an assembly line and when they need refueling they are hauled on a truck back to the assembly line.
Good old fiscal conservatism.
SS has 2 trillion in reserves. It is solvent at current levels and not a drain. The problem is that it wasn't designed for a giant old population living for 25 years after retirement. SS has been a model program other than this lack of foresight, but who can blame the lack of foresight. At the time it was first implemented people only lived on average 47 years and not 80 or 81.
Why do we actually have 1.4 trillion debt?
350 billion Bush tax cut - not offset by spending reductions... gotta love that tinkle down voodoo eh
200 billion on Wars in Afganistan and Iraq
500 billion reduced government revenue from all of the economic collapse
250 billion Obama tax cut for the 95% not offset with spending reductions.
A whole lot of spending which is payed for on the American Credit Card!!!! Don't you think.
You can't cherry pick numbers from the budget and say if we didn't have those then we wouldn't have the deficit. One has to look at the reasons for what has happened and nobody is really talking about it. There is a sort of mass psychosis going on and people seem baffled as to why America is going down the hill.
America isn't going down the hill. Just before the Bush administration took office, the US had an 18 billion dollar surplus. After not paying for anything for 10 years you get 1.4 trillion dollar deficits.
Congress just extended the Bush Tax Cuts and so we will have an even longer period of 1.3-1.4 trillion dollar deficits. Now the republicans talk about cutting 80 billion in discretionary spending to pay, but they just gave the rich a 700 billion dollar over 10 years tax cut.
We have to get back to sane fiscal policy. We can't just keep cutting taxes and say that is going to fix things. We also can't cut our spending enough on discretionary spending side without making America something which doesn't work for 90% of the citizens. It would make our country unrecognizable and more akin to a third world nation. We need to get over the delusion that we are poor. We are the country with the greatest wealth and the greatest production. We just have to stop tearing ourselves and our way of life down.
As each of us knows we have to pay for the America we want. We have been doing a lot of free ride stuff and playing footloose and fancy with the treasury by defunding the American Way of life. Ours is not a problem that we don't have enough to pay our way, we have a problem with a persecution complex. We are way too whinny right now. There is no political will to pay for anything right now so eventually if this continues we will be having dog crap for breakfast every day and wondering why our breath stinks so badly.
Yes... time to deconstruct the legalization of bribes. PACS, Unions, Corporations, 529's get rid of all of them and bring it back to citizen only donations.
Has any politician been able to make it through the primaries and campaigns recently without heavy backing by some organization?
The original tea party was a reaction undue influence of the East India Trading company pushing the British government to heavily tax the colonies in order to preserve their monopoly. People need to learn their history better. Taxation without representation sponsored by corporation. That is where we are today. Corporations have had a field day at the expense of the American Taxpayer. Multinational corporations buy influence and pay no taxes yet get to reap the rewards.
I say down with corporations being treated as individual citizens. They should have no standing rights as a citizens since the constitution is about the relationship between people and their own government.
http://filterednews.wordpress.com/2010/11/16/will-the-tea-party-condemn-and-apologize-for-the-american-revolution/
As a result of the East India Trading company monopoly and it's influence in colonial life, the founding fathers well knew the risks of too much corporate wealth and power. Thomas Jefferson wanted as an amendment protection against monopoly and tried many times to include it as part of the original bill of rights.
"I do not like... the omission of a bill of rights providing clearly and without the aid of sophisms for freedom of religion, freedom of the press, protection against standing armies, restriction against monopolies, the eternal and unremitting force of the habeas corpus laws, and trials by jury in all matters of fact triable by the laws of the land and not by the law of nations." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. ME 6:387"
"I hope we shall crush in it s birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government in a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. — Thomas Jefferson, 1816"
"There is an evil which ought to be guarded against in the indefinite accumulation of property for the capacity of holding it in perpetuity by corporations. The power of corporations ought to be limited in this respect. The growing wealth acquired by them never fails to be a source of abuses. — James Madison, 1817"
"Incorporated companies with proper limitations and guards, may in particular cases, be useful, but they are at best a necessary evil only. Monopolies and perpetuities are objects of just abhorrence. The former are unjust to the existing, the latter usurpations on the rights of future generations. It is not strange that the law which will not permit an individual to bequeath his property to the descendants of his own loins for more than a short and strictly defined term, should authorize an associated few to entail perpetual and indefeasible appropriations? – James Madison, March 10, 1817"
Except Unions can spend several million on any given campaign while a single large corporation could spend hundreds of millions.
I think both Union spending and Corporate spending need to be barred, but there is a difference in the amounts. Right now we are getting back to the 1800s where it is possible for a corporation to just buy as senator or representative. Perhaps soon it will be buying a president.
RE: grey goo
Have you read the Code of the Lifemaker? Really cool quick read book about a machine civilization evolving on one of the moons of Jupiter after a mine ship from an alien race crashes there.
I concur. We probably do agree. I have been getting read past alot in this thread. You should check out my other big debate/discussion on this thread. hehehehe. I am a NIMBY in relation to where I live, and yet not anti-nuclear. I also think that nuclear is dangerous. But none of these things would make me not nuclear in the right circumstance. I have lived near nuclear reactors for a large chunk of my life including three mile island. But that doesn't really scare me per se. I just think nuclear is dangerous and has its place (some places should never have a reactor based on economics and geography) and we should do everything we can to improve safety. Japan will be a great learning tool as have all problems with nuclear we have had.
Nuclear is forever in human terms as is the sun (solar, geothermal, wind). We perfect these forms of energy generation so we can use the fossil fuels for industry instead of burning them up which is a waste and inefficient.
I can't wait, my next vehicle will be electric. I haven't decided whether to convert my current vehicle or buy the Tesla family car. I hope to fuel it with solar on my house and garage partially. There are some nice public hookups around now too. It takes lots of energy to get to point of making the cars and solar panels, but once you use the energy to make the stuff then it should be nice for quite a while. And still very civilized.
I want to use geothermal for heating my house too. Since I do the work myself for the most part at least install and hookups this makes it cheaper. I sure wish the government would come up with some big incentives to help me out so I could recover my costs more quickly and have them take less of my money in return.