You know, though, the one thing I really don't like about the Classic Controller is - it actually does have a cord - you use the cord to connect it to the remote. Not a terrible solution overall (I do appreciate that inexpensive controllers can be made effectively cordless by combination with the remote) but I feel like it'd be preferable to just have the two controllers dock... I suppose the reason it doesn't is because of the bulk and weight of the remote...
I find these grips to be worth the $$. It actually adds a real comfortable feel to the classic controllers. Also if you feel the Wiimote adds too much weight you can always unclip it (the grip and doc are 2 seperate pieces). This I'm good with for all VC titles pre-N64. The only N64 title that I find works better with the classic controller (than the Wavebird) is Sin & Punishment. If they were to offer a Wavebird (or N64 for that matter) shell that I could dock the remote in, they would have another sale.
Yes, because the people who make the console that sells the most in one generation, sells the most in the next generation. Oh yes, and Nintendo has never made mistakes in the past. Right?
Nah, it's on Par with console History.
Atari led the consoles for about 8 years (approximately 2 generations worth), then hit the retard button, and the crash of 83 happened.
Nintendo lead for 2 generations, hit the retard button, and created their newest biggest competitor.
Sony lead the pack for 2 generations, then hit the retard button and now (coming full circle) Nintendo's eating Sony's lunch.
The Wii, despite being supply constrained is still the #1 console this generation world wide. Not only have they sold more units in less time than any console in history, they sell more than their competitors nearly every week. It's a difficult argument to make that they will somehow be marginalized and end up in last place this gen. It looks like the Wii will be the PS2 of this generation.
Moving forward, they will have a very large user base that will be very receptive to the "Nintendo Snufalufagous" or whatever they call it. Which will position themselves very favorably (but not guarantee #1 market position) next gen.
To each his own though. I own a 360 and other than Halo2, I've never had an XBOX1 game. I don't even have Halo2 anymore. What's valuable and what's expensive are different to different people.
You may want to pick up Max Payne then (1 & 2). Both games are real good, work under the 360's BC well and scale very nice. As an added bonus it's like $5-$8 for both of them used.
Even for people that have never owned a PS2 (like me) backwards compatibility is a big deal, because games for new systems are EXPENSIVE and games for older systems are CHEAP. There are some excellent PS2 titles out there retailing for around $20. I get most of the use out of my Wii by playing GameCube games on it (even though I've never owned a GameCube) because I can buy GC games far more frequently than I can buy Wii games, which cost 50 bucks each. PS3 games cost around $60 each, so this is even more of a factor there.
Exactly. I didn't have a PS2, but recently went on to pick up a few Gems in the "$6.99 used" category. I probably have 10 PS2 games now compared to my 2 PS3 games (and seriously thinking of selling Warhawk. Motorstorm is the other, and well worth it).
Backwards compatibility has always been a nice perk, but seriously, I rarely ever use it. I think I used backwards capabilities on the ps2 to play ff tactics, and thats it. I think people put too much value in it. Besides, if you want backwards capability, you can still get it. Just cough up the extra 100
Some people put A LOT of value in it. In fact if the PS3 didn't have either BluRay, or Backwords compatibility I would have zero reason to get one. As of now I'm waiting until "Some magical time in 2008" when the exclusives worth buying hit, until then I'm watching Movies, and playing PS2 games upscaled on it.
I finished beating Zelda, never was too fond of 1st person shooters (Metroid Prime)
If someone you know has Metroid Prime 3, give it a spin. I loaned my copy to a friend who never got into FPS's, but is now intent on beating it. It is REALLY good, and they fixed the lingering issues of the other Metroid Prime games (there's still back tracking, but it wouldn't be a Metroid/or Zelda/ or Castlevania without it). Also RE4 and The Godfather for Wii are the best versions of those games, and for me Tiger Woods 08 controls well, and has near infinite replayability.
Rock Band is compatible with the GH peripherals, even though the RB guitar is not compatible with the GH games.
Wha, huh? First I heard of that. I realize both GH, and RB are going to add special things to each guitar that won't be present in the other, but for the core gameplay of 5 fret buttons, strum and Whammy bar... all indications point to them being interchangeable.
I have also downloaded like 10 games for the PSN basically at an average of 6 dollars a game I look at it as a game rental that I get to keep.
There are 10 PSN games worth buying? No seriously... I have a PS3 and I have found the game selection lacking (both online and retail) and the reviews seem to be mediocre at best. SuperStarDust HD and what else?
I don't use my PS3 as a ps3 nearly as often as I use in ps2/psx mode, but that internal memory card feature makes my life so much easier so I am proud to say I own a ps3 to play ps2 games lol. In the last few months I have picked up an insane amount of ps2 titles for cheap. I don't really enjoy paying 60 dollars a new title at this point in my life I am in the 20 dollar game market.
Same here. Hell at this point if I could play a BluRay movie without the Cell, you could rip it out and I wouldn't notice.
As far as PS2 games, check out the "Sub $10 used game market"... Metal Gear Solid 2, SlyCooper, Jak & Daxter... All good stuff.
Oh, and Psychonaughts... it's like $12 and great.
Why would I get Madden for the Wii when I could play it in HD?
Perhaps, because it's the best version available? Seriously, I have an HD projector, (a 96" screen, and all 3 systems) and so far the Wii owns all in Sports games. Yes the graphics aren't as good (Tiger Woods is especially PS2-tastic looking), but Madden and Tiger Woods simply play better on the Wii than any other system. I can't wait till Fight Night comes out for it.
Now, I'm being a bit of a hypocrite because I don't personally feel like it's a REAL fps unless you have a keyboard and mouse (I never got into consoles), but logically, if it's mostly first person and mostly shooting, I think you pretty much have to put it in the FPS category, even if it does overlap with other genres a bit.
If you played a Non-Melee character in Oblivion, and specialized in either Ranged Magic, or Ranged Weapons then would that make it an FPS?
Also Try Metroid Prime 3. I'd say it's the superior FPS setup. Better than Dual analog, and yes, better than Keyboard and mouse. The (left) Analog stick beats the crap out of WASD for motion, the controller as a gun is nearly as quick and precise (I said nearly, but it's close) as a mouse, and the motion controls used to rip a shield out of an enemy's hands (via the "Grapple gun") then blasting them with your gun offers a level of visceral immersion not available in other systems/ set ups.
I don't think Metroid Prime 3 is a true FPS either (It's an adventure/platformer, really), but I would LOVE a FPS using the Metroid Prime 3 engine / universe to come out.
Buying a Wii and then shelving it for an old GameCube is absurd. Just take the old GC controllers to use on the Wii and trash the rest of the system.
Don't trash the rest of the GC. You can get a Gameboy player used for like $20 now, and there are TONS of GBA, GBC, and original GB games worth playing. On that note, The GC with a GB player can play EVERY Zelda made except the recently released Phantom Hourglass, (and the dreadfull CD-i games). I still actively play my Gamecube because of this.
Most people are probably like me and would love to own a PS3. Just as soon as the price drops below $300 for the system, a game, and a controller.
Given how poorly they've been selling, you can probably get that bundle for Holiday 2008. It will of course have a 5 gig hard drive, Only support Wired Controllers and only has 1 USB slot. (but it'll be a "next gen" USB slot)
If your mom plays the heck out of Wii Sports, that is ok for Nintendo. But if that is all your mom does with it, than things could be better. Sure, Nintendo is making a profit on every Wii sold, but they also want to make yet more money. They (and Sony and Microsoft) usually do this by getting you to keep buying new games.
I am certain that the first 3rd party game that will do well on the Wii will be Guitar Hero 3. Beyond that, I am not at all sure what else is in the pipeline for the Wii from 3rd parties that will work well.
I agree that GH3 will sell best from 3rd parties, but you also touched upon the problem. What do 3rd parties have in the wings to cater to "your mom" or other casual gamers? Stuff like WiiSports, or Karaoke, or WiiFit will appeal to casual gamers, but if you look at the game lineup (even on the VC) there are VERY FEW games targeted in that direction. Nintendo captured a new audience, but even they have failed to capitalize on this market.
But I'd really rather prefer a late game to a bugged game.
Not only that, but I wouldn't mind if they spaced out their "tent pole" games through out the year, and not just the 3-4 months at the end. I realize Quarter 4 is when they do most of their business, but games like Smash Bros, Mario, Zelda, Halo, Final Fantasy, MGS... don't need to come out for Christmas to sell. They will sell in the millions no matter when they release, so why not spread them out a little more?
Anyway, I (and my various other 30ish PS3 buddies) tend to play through games completely, rather than just hop and skip from game to game. The current release rate of PS3 titles is actually just fast enough that I don't end up without a game to play at any given time.
On a side note, I'm not sure how the various gamer generations view co-op. To my crew, split-scree co-op action is a huge seller. Dynasty Warriors Gundam is awesome.:)
30 year old IT guy here, with a PS3 (and a Wii60). Ok, I will say local Co-op rocks, but one of the draws for me to get the 360 was the increasing prevelance of online co-op. Even though local co-op is more personal and in many ways more fun, most of my college buddies scattered to the wind and local play is very rare / impractacle with them.
> There's what, more than 7 different version of the thing to this date?
There have been four, not counting color variations.
20GB - 4 USB, no card slots, full hardware BC, $499
40GB - 2 USB, no card slots, no BC, $399
60GB - 4 USB, card slots, full hardware BC, $599 (later $499)
80GB - 4 USB, card slots, hybrid hardware/software BC, $599
First, the "(later $499)" on the 80 gig, is possible but it has neither happened, nor been announced yet.
Second, there was a different 60 gig version available in Europe than shipped to the US/ Japan. Not only did they get it LATE, they were the first to contend with the "hybrid hardware/software BC", so that would be #5.
I know you said adding a different color (White 40 gig) doesn't count, but that would make #6
Buying a PS3 seemed like a bad idea before, now it takes a PhD and a few hours browsing fanboi websites that use terms such as "SKU".
So, is there a model that has good backwards compatibility, a large disk and built-in Wifi? How do I recognize it?
Get the US (or Japan) 60 gig model while they last. It is the best of all configurations, offering both PS2 chips for near perfect BC, WiFi and the 60 gig HDD will last you quite a while (really, there isn't much content on PSN yet), and if/when you eventually run out of space, you can swap it with a different 2.5" laptop harddrive.
The consumers who really DO care that much about playing PS2 games would either stay happy with (or buy) a PS2 (which happens to be selling decently at the moment, btw) and save themselves over 200 dollars which can be used on better things, like a DS ^_^
In this case they aren't saving $200. They're saving 5000 yen, which is like $40. Also consider that multiple consoles jammed into an entertainment center is not ideal in Japan where space is at a premium.
It will be interesting to see the trends. I hope the 20 gig outsells the 40 gig, despite being 5000 yen more, to illistrate customers value the PS1/2 compatibility more than the extra space & Wifi (and of course the price difference).
...achievements are the stupidest thing gaming has ever put forth, I'm damn glad Nintendo doesn't have them.
How are the tokens earned in Metroid Prime 3 (and shared with Friends), the Trophy's in Super Smash Bros, or a "High Score" board fundamentally different than Achievements?
Sony has done more than ANY other gaming company to support open platforms without hurting itself. PS3 has standard hard drives, wireless, USB peripherals, Bluetooth etc. MS and Nintendo have completely locked in systems.
Nintendo what? Perhaps you're unaware that the Wii uses: SD cards, wireless, USB peripherals, Bluetooth etc.
On the topic of this thread, I am certain they will offer two SKU's : one with and one w/o BC eventually on all markets to satisfy everyone.
They'll have that option until the European 60 gig sells out of stock (it was discontinued) after that the 40 gig with no BC is all Europe gets.
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I find these grips to be worth the $$. It actually adds a real comfortable feel to the classic controllers. Also if you feel the Wiimote adds too much weight you can always unclip it (the grip and doc are 2 seperate pieces). This I'm good with for all VC titles pre-N64. The only N64 title that I find works better with the classic controller (than the Wavebird) is Sin & Punishment. If they were to offer a Wavebird (or N64 for that matter) shell that I could dock the remote in, they would have another sale.
Nah, it's on Par with console History.
Atari led the consoles for about 8 years (approximately 2 generations worth), then hit the retard button, and the crash of 83 happened.
Nintendo lead for 2 generations, hit the retard button, and created their newest biggest competitor.
Sony lead the pack for 2 generations, then hit the retard button and now (coming full circle) Nintendo's eating Sony's lunch.
The Wii, despite being supply constrained is still the #1 console this generation world wide. Not only have they sold more units in less time than any console in history, they sell more than their competitors nearly every week. It's a difficult argument to make that they will somehow be marginalized and end up in last place this gen. It looks like the Wii will be the PS2 of this generation.
Moving forward, they will have a very large user base that will be very receptive to the "Nintendo Snufalufagous" or whatever they call it. Which will position themselves very favorably (but not guarantee #1 market position) next gen.
Yes it does. Thank you Capt. Obvious.
You may want to pick up Max Payne then (1 & 2). Both games are real good, work under the 360's BC well and scale very nice. As an added bonus it's like $5-$8 for both of them used.
Exactly. I didn't have a PS2, but recently went on to pick up a few Gems in the "$6.99 used" category. I probably have 10 PS2 games now compared to my 2 PS3 games (and seriously thinking of selling Warhawk. Motorstorm is the other, and well worth it).
Some people put A LOT of value in it. In fact if the PS3 didn't have either BluRay, or Backwords compatibility I would have zero reason to get one. As of now I'm waiting until "Some magical time in 2008" when the exclusives worth buying hit, until then I'm watching Movies, and playing PS2 games upscaled on it.
If someone you know has Metroid Prime 3, give it a spin. I loaned my copy to a friend who never got into FPS's, but is now intent on beating it. It is REALLY good, and they fixed the lingering issues of the other Metroid Prime games (there's still back tracking, but it wouldn't be a Metroid/or Zelda/ or Castlevania without it). Also RE4 and The Godfather for Wii are the best versions of those games, and for me Tiger Woods 08 controls well, and has near infinite replayability.
Wha, huh? First I heard of that. I realize both GH, and RB are going to add special things to each guitar that won't be present in the other, but for the core gameplay of 5 fret buttons, strum and Whammy bar... all indications point to them being interchangeable.
There are 10 PSN games worth buying? No seriously... I have a PS3 and I have found the game selection lacking (both online and retail) and the reviews seem to be mediocre at best. SuperStarDust HD and what else?
Same here. Hell at this point if I could play a BluRay movie without the Cell, you could rip it out and I wouldn't notice.
As far as PS2 games, check out the "Sub $10 used game market"... Metal Gear Solid 2, SlyCooper, Jak & Daxter... All good stuff. Oh, and Psychonaughts... it's like $12 and great.
Perhaps, because it's the best version available? Seriously, I have an HD projector, (a 96" screen, and all 3 systems) and so far the Wii owns all in Sports games. Yes the graphics aren't as good (Tiger Woods is especially PS2-tastic looking), but Madden and Tiger Woods simply play better on the Wii than any other system. I can't wait till Fight Night comes out for it.
If you played a Non-Melee character in Oblivion, and specialized in either Ranged Magic, or Ranged Weapons then would that make it an FPS?
Also Try Metroid Prime 3. I'd say it's the superior FPS setup. Better than Dual analog, and yes, better than Keyboard and mouse. The (left) Analog stick beats the crap out of WASD for motion, the controller as a gun is nearly as quick and precise (I said nearly, but it's close) as a mouse, and the motion controls used to rip a shield out of an enemy's hands (via the "Grapple gun") then blasting them with your gun offers a level of visceral immersion not available in other systems/ set ups.
I don't think Metroid Prime 3 is a true FPS either (It's an adventure/platformer, really), but I would LOVE a FPS using the Metroid Prime 3 engine / universe to come out.
Don't trash the rest of the GC. You can get a Gameboy player used for like $20 now, and there are TONS of GBA, GBC, and original GB games worth playing. On that note, The GC with a GB player can play EVERY Zelda made except the recently released Phantom Hourglass, (and the dreadfull CD-i games). I still actively play my Gamecube because of this.
Given how poorly they've been selling, you can probably get that bundle for Holiday 2008. It will of course have a 5 gig hard drive, Only support Wired Controllers and only has 1 USB slot. (but it'll be a "next gen" USB slot)
I agree that GH3 will sell best from 3rd parties, but you also touched upon the problem. What do 3rd parties have in the wings to cater to "your mom" or other casual gamers? Stuff like WiiSports, or Karaoke, or WiiFit will appeal to casual gamers, but if you look at the game lineup (even on the VC) there are VERY FEW games targeted in that direction. Nintendo captured a new audience, but even they have failed to capitalize on this market.
Duke Nukem Forever. Release date: "When it's done."
Not only that, but I wouldn't mind if they spaced out their "tent pole" games through out the year, and not just the 3-4 months at the end. I realize Quarter 4 is when they do most of their business, but games like Smash Bros, Mario, Zelda, Halo, Final Fantasy, MGS... don't need to come out for Christmas to sell. They will sell in the millions no matter when they release, so why not spread them out a little more?
Beat Metroid Prime 3 yet? If not, the game's extremely good and well worth buying.
30 year old IT guy here, with a PS3 (and a Wii60). Ok, I will say local Co-op rocks, but one of the draws for me to get the 360 was the increasing prevelance of online co-op. Even though local co-op is more personal and in many ways more fun, most of my college buddies scattered to the wind and local play is very rare / impractacle with them.
First, the "(later $499)" on the 80 gig, is possible but it has neither happened, nor been announced yet.
Second, there was a different 60 gig version available in Europe than shipped to the US/ Japan. Not only did they get it LATE, they were the first to contend with the "hybrid hardware/software BC", so that would be #5.
I know you said adding a different color (White 40 gig) doesn't count, but that would make #6
Honestly not sure what the #7 is. I wouldn't count the "We're Not selling shit at £425, so we might as well thrown in another controller and 2 games bundle" but some might.
Get the US (or Japan) 60 gig model while they last. It is the best of all configurations, offering both PS2 chips for near perfect BC, WiFi and the 60 gig HDD will last you quite a while (really, there isn't much content on PSN yet), and if/when you eventually run out of space, you can swap it with a different 2.5" laptop harddrive.
You can turn off notifications in the 360, and that would silence "Achivement Unlocked". Just FYI.
In this case they aren't saving $200. They're saving 5000 yen, which is like $40. Also consider that multiple consoles jammed into an entertainment center is not ideal in Japan where space is at a premium.
How are the tokens earned in Metroid Prime 3 (and shared with Friends), the Trophy's in Super Smash Bros, or a "High Score" board fundamentally different than Achievements?
Nintendo what? Perhaps you're unaware that the Wii uses: SD cards, wireless, USB peripherals, Bluetooth etc.
They'll have that option until the European 60 gig sells out of stock (it was discontinued) after that the 40 gig with no BC is all Europe gets.